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Originally Posted by markouk
I have more respect for your take on this as a user of a variety of phones. We all get so worked up about phones and which is the best and the new iPhone Killer etc etc but it really is totally subjective!
I'm fascinated by the mobile phone space now as it's so much like the games console space a generation or so ago. It's all about fanboi(y)s and blinkered attitudes toward mobile technology. Now, this is more a slight on the so called casual consumer which is the polar opposite of what the games console situation was all about. I think most people on these forums, or maybe any forums to be fair, are just geeks and huge tech junkies and are not indicative of what the random less savvy public consumer is. I think we are better equipped to see through the marketing spin on a new piece of tech and can see the pros and cons of each device and can weigh that up against what our needs and desires are. I have an iPod Touch 1G and was very much an early adopter of that device without having bought any other Apple product before that. I could see what the product had to offer ME and understood the downfalls compared to my other devices, owned a Sony NW-A3000 which has much much better sound quality than any recent iPod Touch/iPhone product. I have now grown tired of the iPod Touch/iPhone interface and of my Nokia products (devoted for many years) so feel the Android based phones will fill a gap. I would hold my hand up and say, this device is better than this device or some other device but not to the detriment of any one specific piece of technology. No one will ever bring out a perfect device. The whole Jesus Phone moniker placed on the iPhone was totally comical to me as it failed in so many areas compared to other phones at the time. Things like multi-tasking, replaceable battery and competitive standard of camera were plainly overlooked in favour of other revolutionary changes - touchscreen/interface/music application. I'm sure we could all sit down for an hour and put together our ideal dream phone but there are so many factors to juggle with these things that such a device may never be released or would cost so much that the market penetration would cripple the manufacturer.
Anyway, I've rambled too much and basically all I wanted to say was that every device out there is going to be subjected to personal preference assessment which will no doubt throw up some harmonious or repelling views. Try to be happy with your choice and justify why the product you have is right for you.
"I'm rubber, you're like glue - whatever you say, rubs off me sticks to you"
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Originally Posted by IOWA
I don't even know what to say. Perhaps I think like a machine but I prefer function over fashion. Notice its the people who really can't think for themselves praise the iphone. They like being told what to like. Most of the bgr rant is moot to boot. He just didn't know how to use it. Probably spent 5 minutes with a device and gave up. And I'm not going to mention who, but someone telling someone not to post their opinion that actually is adding to the thread is just wrong. I don't care what school you go to. I love how people are all critics when they have very little knowledge of the subject. Android was designed to be open source, so everyone can chip in and customize what they like. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
Bgr also loves to blast winmo, when it still outshines every mobile os out there with pure functionality. I seriously miss my winmo but manufactures just aren't putting out modern hardware with winmo. If they loaded winmo 7 on the nexus hardware people would really be amazed. Flawless LOCAL syncing, and it offers cloud syncing. True push email, true copy and paste anything. Amazing live messenger. I can go on and on. I went with android, and I do like it, but it is lacking. It will grow.
I think the next few years are going to amazingly exciting. Its going to boil down to android, webos, and winmo. Unless rim innovates big time, and apple dumps their archaic business model, they will be left in the dust. I've seen the winmo 7 ui and it truley will Amaze people again.
For winmo and webos to succeed, however, they will need companies like htc to really make a good hardware device. The tp2 is nothing short of amazing on the outside, but the chipset blows and it needs to be upgraded. If they took the tp2 design with n1 or better hardware, at the current time, winmo would blow every other os out of the water. Winmo can emulate any ui, iphone and android, and do it well, with more features. Better put... what can't you do on winmo that you can do on other mobile os. I really can't think of one thing.
Sorry for turning this into a winmo superiority thread... but it had to be said. Bgr is 110 percent biased towards the iphone, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was on apples payroll. He blasted winmo before android came out and winmo is clearly superior. Sure it didn't have a button row, but it was called a pocket pc for a reason. After owning several it was truley like have a pc in the palm of your hand.
Now I love my android phone, and it works great. Even with vanilla android. Android does have a long way to go, but it will be an instersting ride.
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Both of these posts are very well written in that they capture the true essence of this whole argument. The biggest point in this whole mess that people seem to forget is that it all comes down to personal preference. Everyone has different views on what they want and what is important to them, and it's all so subjective that when people start getting nasty and insulting about it, it's just not logical (aka - nobody wants / likes exactly what you do, so relax).
What seems to have been forgotten is how new this damn phone is. It only just was released to the public 5 days ago, of course it has glitches and shit that needs to be fixed. You have to give it some time, just like I'm sure the Iphone and any other phone takes when it's new, ESPECIALLY a phone with a lot more to it (smart phones). I understand that the argument is also with Android, which has had more time to grow than the phone itself, but it's still growing and I'm sure it will improve if they focus on user feedback and keep plugging away.
I like that the second quoted post by IOWA points out the sheep like mentality of Iphone users. I'm not even trying to hate, but I've seen this type of thought process in basically any Iphone owner I've met. I'm sure this isn't the case for all Iphone owners, but seriously the large majority of owners are what have turned me off to the phone more than anything else. I do think it's a very functional piece of work aside from the phone calls aspect (which is AT&T, not Apple, to blame). However, I guess I fall into that other side of people who want to feel like they aren't just jumping on the big band wagon.
I know almost nothing about most of the internals and little glitches etc... that contribute to most of these complaints about various phones that are being compared. I'm mostly probably more of that average consumer that has been referred to earlier, who may not notice many of these issues. I've got a little bit of the "geek" side in me, and it's also a combination of being meticulous about researching something before I buy it. That's mostly why I read and participate in forums like this. I think the truth is that the average consumer will love it, but it also needs to be given a chance. Half the problem is how much hype it received as the next HUGE phone and being called the "Google Phone" etc, which just instantly pitted it against the Iphone in everyones eyes.
It's a new phone, still a pretty new OS, and yes it has issues. Hopefully this will all be worked out or addressed with some time on the market, and just time to grow.
Honestly my biggest concern right now is the huge complaints about difficult user support, customer service, etc... I know it's brand new and so they are getting the big wave of crap right now, but I hope this stuff starts improving as they get settled a bit. I really wish the phone had an in store aspect, because it seems that removing that has made getting help with issues such as returns, defects, or whatever MUCH harder.
I really hope they change this or ease up on it a bit and let the carrier stores get involved a bit more. I'm waiting patiently on Verizon, and I hope once it releases for them, a lot of this has been worked out.