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Old August 11th, 2012, 11:32 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Metfanant View Post
yeah, but you can flash it to the recovery partition and it works just fine...
Not everyone agrees and not everyone wants to operate that way (personally, I don't want my phone to take longer to boot than my PC).

The bigger consequence, again, is that it further fragments the VZW SIII development from the rest of SIII development (compare what's available for us vs. the rest of the SIIIs to prove the point). It's like East Germany compared to West Germany--or even better, North Korea compared to South Korea in industrial and technical innovation and availability.

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the regulations DO NOT say that VZW must allow you to unlock your phone so that you can use it on Block C

this means that VZW cannot block devices from THEIR OWN NETWORK...our phones are NOT blocked from using the spectrum that Verizon owns (Block C)...
Au contraire, mon frère, this is exactly what Block C requires. Before you accuse others of being "idiots" and not knowing what Block C is--which, by definition, is ignorance, not idiocy--the latter being knowing what Block C is but fail to apply it properly; allow me to demonstrate:

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Originally Posted by Block C
(b) Use of devices and applications. Licensees offering service on spectrum subject to this section shall not deny, limit, or restrict the ability of their customers to use the devices and applications of their choice on the licensee’s C Block network, except:
This means all the other carriers not subject to Block C can restrict their phones but VZW cannot. If you've read the entire document I linked, you would see how a locked bootloader prevents VZW LTE users from using applications of their choice.

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Tech: remember that all new devices (including the SGS3) use a CDMA radio for voice and its LTE radio for data...the CDMA radio is NOT covered under the Block C regulations and is therefore excempt from these rules...only the LTE radio is covered here...
Negative and immaterial. First, this applies to the device, not the radio only. Second, radios are immaterial as, again, VZW cannot lock the device; whether other applications would actually work or not at this moment is immaterial. This accounts for future developments and compatibilities/interoperability, which is the intent of the FCC.

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VZW only has to prove that there is any sort of threat to their network by running unapproved software, and that would be EASY for them to prove...
Negative; it is impossible to prove. Read the entire document and the Block C it references:

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Originally Posted by Block C
except:
(1) Insofar as such use would not be compliant with published technical standards reasonably necessary for the management or protection of the licensee’s network, or
(2) As required to comply with statute or applicable government regulation.
(c) Technical standards. For purposes of paragraph (b)(1) of this section:
(1) Standards shall include technical requirements reasonably necessary for third parties to access a licensee’s network via devices or applications without causing objectionable interference to other spectrum users or jeopardizing network security. The potential for excessive bandwidth demand alone shall not constitute grounds for denying, limiting or restricting access to the network.

Note the parts I bolded: There has to be a specific widely-accepted technical standard cited--which VZW did not state in their response--and potentially excessive bandwidth demand can not be grounds for this, which is the excuse VZW is using ("potential impact to customer experience"). Besides, it's not like they don't throttle users already (cf. VZW's "network optimization", which is also illegal)

I honestly can't see how much more plain this can be for anyone to see, assuming they read all of Block C rules and take them literally and at face value and understand the FCC's intent of fostering open access and healthy competition.

Edit: Oh, and our phones do have GSM capability, so it isn't limited by radios. cf. http://pocketnow.com/2012/06/01/verizon-sprint-galaxy-s-iii-models-hit-the-fcc/
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