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Old November 20th, 2012, 06:14 AM   #751 (permalink)
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Yea, in Phoenix, Network Vision can't come soon enough. I hope it stays on track and they start this winter. I have noticed my phone no longer connects to the EVDO network, it now connects to eHRPD. So, hopefully that means they are on schedule for that winter start. Luckily, Alcatel Lucent is doing Phx, as they have been pretty solid in the other markets which Sprint has contracted them for Network Vision.
That's only because the new phones operate that way. It's the hand-off switch for data. When you are running speed tests, you should always get eHRPD instead of EVDO unless you change your network mode to CDMA/EVDO only.

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That's only because the new phones operate that way. It's the hand-off switch for data. When you are running speed tests, you should always get eHRPD instead of EVDO unless you change your network mode to CDMA/EVDO only.

True but, eHRPD takes a change in any market on Sprints end. I've had the EVO LTE since launch and eHRPD just went live here in Phx about 2 weeks ago.
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lol...m outside where I first discovered I was getting lte connection and nothing... might try that prl trick that mentioned on xda
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True but, eHRPD takes a change in any market on Sprints end. I've had the EVO LTE since launch and eHRPD just went live here in Phx about 2 weeks ago.
Correctamundo! That only means that something is brewing in Phoenix in regards to NV. Either way, I would be at least a tiny bit excited.
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lol...m outside where I first discovered I was getting lte connection and nothing... might try that prl trick that mentioned on xda
Ok buddy! You gonna have to start posting links instead just saying XDA.
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Sorry, I have to search for it again cuz I didn't bookmark
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Here it is
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1988681
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Sorry, posted wrong thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957805

Only thing is, there's another thread where people are saying 56009 is reliable, which is what I'm on now.
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Do share my good man, I hope the locale is near enough to me for some testing!
I was only able to find old information with no details when you posted this the other week. I was starting to give up hope for this year and was expecting things to be slow or on hold until New Year because of the busy Holidays.
However, it seems like a few sites started lighting up late last week or this weekend around the the outer metro! Samsung must be starting on the boundaries and moving in towards the inner corridor (typical release pattern that makes complete sense).

A few users with the Sensorly Application have mapped some initial sites. Locations cross reference with some posts in the non-subscriber news/forum at S4GRU providing verification - Sprint.com forums as well
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ok.. got rid of the EVO OG...
got the S3 LTE phone...

I live in Dallas Ft Worth area.. one of the first LTE cities for Sprint.
i am right off of 360 in the middle of the metroplex...
last night I had LTE .. and it was 3mbs (i could live with this)
today.. it is not even picking up any LTE signal.. but a few minutes here and there... it is downloading less than .5mbs


my buddy on Verizon and another on ATT .. gets 20+ MBs!!!!!



sorry for bitchin all the time about sprint.. but it is so frustrating...
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ok.. got rid of the EVO OG...
got the S3 LTE phone...

I live in Dallas Ft Worth area.. one of the first LTE cities for Sprint.
i am right off of 360 in the middle of the metroplex...
last night I had LTE .. and it was 3mbs (i could live with this)
today.. it is not even picking up any LTE signal.. but a few minutes here and there... it is downloading less than .5mbs


my buddy on Verizon and another on ATT .. gets 20+ MBs!!!!!



sorry for bitchin all the time about sprint.. but it is so frustrating...
Well, just so you know - you won't be competing with your VZW/AT&T buddies on LTE speeds. Both companies are using 10x10 carriers, plus they operate on lower end frequencies. Sprint's LTE isn't being built out to blow people away with speed. It's purpose is to provide stability, which the aforementioned providers often have issues with. In any event, the coverage will expand on a week-to-week basis from what I have been reading.
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Well, just so you know - you won't be competing with your VZW/AT&T buddies on LTE speeds. Both companies are using 10x10 carriers, plus they operate on lower end frequencies. Sprint's LTE isn't being built out to blow people away with speed. It's purpose is to provide stability, ***which the aforementioned providers often have issues with***. In any event, the coverage will expand on a week-to-week basis from what I have been reading.
*** Is this why they experience more outages?
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Well, just so you know - you won't be competing with your VZW/AT&T buddies on LTE speeds. Both companies are using 10x10 carriers, plus they operate on lower end frequencies. Sprint's LTE isn't being built out to blow people away with speed. It's purpose is to provide stability, which the aforementioned providers often have issues with. In any event, the coverage will expand on a week-to-week basis from what I have been reading.
Well, if he's looking for around 20 mbps, that is doable on Sprint's LTE. I've gotten those speeds when outdoors in strong signal areas. What we won't see is 40 mbps, I figure.
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Well, just so you know - you won't be competing with your VZW/AT&T buddies on LTE speeds. Both companies are using 10x10 carriers, plus they operate on lower end frequencies. Sprint's LTE isn't being built out to blow people away with speed. It's purpose is to provide stability, which the aforementioned providers often have issues with. In any event, the coverage will expand on a week-to-week basis from what I have been reading.
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Well, if he's looking for around 20 mbps, that is doable on Sprint's LTE. I've gotten those speeds when outdoors in strong signal areas. What we won't see is 40 mbps, I figure.
NOPE.. i am not wanting 20mbs speeds... it would be nice to have..
but as I said.. i would be ok with 3mbs... something usable... less than .5mbs is NOT (at times less than 100kbs)

last night at a bowling place... i got 9 MBS... yeah!!!
but i dont live or work there...
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I don't expect Sprint's rollout to really kick in until the merger closes. Sprint doesn't have the cash to push this, and the merging company would be wise to allow Sprint to take on many more debt projects.

That said, I've always thought the compelling draw for Sprint would be "unlimited" as long as you accept that it will take time to catch up. LTE will be different than Wimax because it's not a competing technology.

I'm going to be losing my Wimax soon, but it's only going to be a small loss. Though I have Wimax where I use my phone most, I knew it was never going to grow. LTE will grow, and it's less expensive to grow long-term.

If Sprint delivers a solid LTE connection at even 70% of VZW and ATT speeds, it's a win.

Ironically, I always advise my family and friends to pick carriers then phones based on how they use it. Most people don't want to live the LTE life because it also has a heavy toll on battery. I just want it in the major metro areas where it's most useful.

Let's see a year from now after the merger just how much Sprint's position will be improved.

My only gripe with Sprint is they really shouldn't have a premium data charge for non-LTE markets. That would also give them some incentive to get more markets up faster.
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Just thought I'd comment they have started lighting LTE up in Jacksonville, FL or at least the area around it. Saw my first peek of the signal the other day (although looks like I have to be in specific location to use it).
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Well, if he's looking for around 20 mbps, that is doable on Sprint's LTE. I've gotten those speeds when outdoors in strong signal areas. What we won't see is 40 mbps, I figure.
Doable when there's nobody actually using the network, sure. Once it fully rolls out in that market, the bandwidth will drop down. Users should be seeing speeds sitting between 6-10 mbps w/ great pings.

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Not necessarily, no. This is what makes their LTE superior to what Sprint is building out. Their outages are solely the product of overpopulation and poor backhaul.
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Well, just so you know - you won't be competing with your VZW/AT&T buddies on LTE speeds. Both companies are using 10x10 carriers, plus they operate on lower end frequencies. Sprint's LTE isn't being built out to blow people away with speed. It's purpose is to provide stability, which the aforementioned providers often have issues with. In any event, the coverage will expand on a week-to-week basis from what I have been reading.
I got this while my cuz with vzw only got 8mb and my grandmother with att doesn't have lte until she gets on the green line train
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Doable when there's nobody actually using the network, sure. Once it fully rolls out in that market, the bandwidth will drop down. Users should be seeing speeds sitting between 6-10 mbps w/ great pings.



Not necessarily, no. This is what makes their LTE superior to what Sprint is building out. Their outages are solely the product of overpopulation and poor backhaul.
Not true at all the frequency sprint lte is is perfect and penetrates just like the 3g do which is great but triple the current 3g speeds sometimes more much cuz note 2 switches back and forth constantly in my room while my Gnex is still on lte. Plus att wish they had sprints lte coverage in Chicago
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Not true at all the frequency sprint lte is is perfect and penetrates just like the 3g do which is great but triple the current 3g speeds sometimes more much cuz note 2 switches back and forth constantly in my room while my Gnex is still on lte. Plus att wish they had sprints lte coverage in Chicago
Frequency doesn't have much to do with this, but Sprint isn't operating on their 800MHz spectrum yet. Once they are, we'll see similar penetration that AT&T + VZW customers experience.
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We need to see New York City lightning up just about now.

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Frequency doesn't have much to do with this, but Sprint isn't operating on their 800MHz spectrum yet. Once they are, we'll see similar penetration that AT&T + VZW customers experience.

that is true.. but i dont think any LTE phones current being sold has the 800mhz radio..

so.. to get that great penetration of the LTE 800mhz.. you have to get a new phone..
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that is true.. but i dont think any LTE phones current being sold has the 800mhz radio..

so.. to get that great penetration of the LTE 800mhz.. you have to get a new phone..
awesome.
I know the SGS3 has access to the 800MHz spectrum once it goes live. The EVO LTE probably does too.
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I know the SGS3 has access to the 800MHz spectrum once it goes live. The EVO LTE probably does too.
There are about 30 phones on Sprint that support the 800 mhz frequency (that has already gone live in some markets.. such as Chicago.) You can see the list of phones that support 800mhz here: Frequently Asked Questions - Sprint 4G Rollout Updates
Basically everything released in the last 2 years supports 800 mhz. However, This is only CDMA/1X that these devices support. So, basically, voice, text and 1x data.
Sprint will roll out LTE on 800 mhz (using the freed up iDEN) spectrum next summer. None of the current phones support 800mhz LTE. Sprint is expected to release devices that support LTE on both 1900 and 800mhz Q2 next year.
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There are about 30 phones on Sprint that support the 800 mhz frequency (that has already gone live in some markets.. such as Chicago.) You can see the list of phones that support 800mhz here: Frequently Asked Questions - Sprint 4G Rollout Updates
Basically everything released in the last 2 years supports 800 mhz. However, This is only CDMA/1X that these devices support. So, basically, voice, text and 1x data.
Sprint will roll out LTE on 800 mhz (using the freed up iDEN) spectrum next summer. None of the current phones support 800mhz LTE. Sprint is expected to release devices that support LTE on both 1900 and 800mhz Q2 next year.
Ahh! See, I knew that it was supported, but I wasn't sure on what band. At least now I got some clarification. I probably should have known that being a S4GRU PS, but I don't surf there as often anymore.
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I'm on VZW now - considering switching (in Philly). If I switch - I want to get the Note 2 - are you saying that'll never be able to get 4G?
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There are about 30 phones on Sprint that support the 800 mhz frequency (that has already gone live in some markets.. such as Chicago.) You can see the list of phones that support 800mhz here: Frequently Asked Questions - Sprint 4G Rollout Updates
Basically everything released in the last 2 years supports 800 mhz. However, This is only CDMA/1X that these devices support. So, basically, voice, text and 1x data.
Sprint will roll out LTE on 800 mhz (using the freed up iDEN) spectrum next summer. None of the current phones support 800mhz LTE. Sprint is expected to release devices that support LTE on both 1900 and 800mhz Q2 next year.
Exactly what I am saying.. No 800mhz LTE phone currently on sprint.. So we would have to upgrade again..

If you upgraded thus year or earlier.. Then you should be up for your next upgrade.. Just in time for the supported phones
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I'm on VZW now - considering switching (in Philly). If I switch - I want to get the Note 2 - are you saying that'll never be able to get 4G?
Note 2 on sprint in philly..
Yes.. I am pretty sure you will get 4G LTE someday.

In a few months to 2 years..

The note 2 will not see 800mhz LTE.. Because it does not have the required radio
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I'm on VZW now - considering switching (in Philly). If I switch - I want to get the Note 2 - are you saying that'll never be able to get 4G?
No, not what I am saying. You will be able to get 4G LTE in Philly with the Note II. Likely within a few months as Sprint's Network Vision and 4G LTE upgrades are underway in Philly now. S4GRU has already confirmed tower upgrades in Philly.
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Ben - to me - the last 2 posts (see below) seem to contradict each other:

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There are about 30 phones on Sprint that support the 800 mhz frequency (that has already gone live in some markets.. such as Chicago.) You can see the list of phones that support 800mhz here: Frequently Asked Questions - Sprint 4G Rollout Updates
Basically everything released in the last 2 years supports 800 mhz. However, This is only CDMA/1X that these devices support. So, basically, voice, text and 1x data.
Sprint will roll out LTE on 800 mhz (using the freed up iDEN) spectrum next summer. None of the current phones support 800mhz LTE. Sprint is expected to release devices that support LTE on both 1900 and 800mhz Q2 next year.
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No, not what I am saying. You will be able to get 4G LTE in Philly with the Note II. Likely within a few months as Sprint's Network Vision and 4G LTE upgrades are underway in Philly now. S4GRU has already confirmed tower upgrades in Philly.
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Ben - to me - the last 2 posts (see below) seem to contradict each other:
They don't contradict eachother. You're just misunderstanding what Ben wrote. You have CDMA (EVDO), 1X, and LTE that will operate on 800MHz spectrum once iDEN has been fully decomissioned, and Sprint activates it for other data services. All different bands. Current gen devices have access to only 800 CDMA/1X, but that's not active yet. LTE roll out is completely different. Let's put it this way - if you have 3G where you live, you will see LTE.
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This is what threw me: "Basically everything released in the last 2 years supports 800 mhz. However, This is only CDMA/1X that these devices support. So, basically, voice, text and 1x data. "
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This is what threw me: "Basically everything released in the last 2 years supports 800 mhz. However, This is only CDMA/1X that these devices support. So, basically, voice, text and 1x data. "

The Note 2 (like all current Sprint 4G LTE phones) will be able to get 4G LTE on Sprints 1900 MHz LTE frequencies, and CDMA/1x on both 1900 and 800 MHz. Hope that helps.
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Frequency doesn't have much to do with this, but Sprint isn't operating on their 800MHz spectrum yet. Once they are, we'll see similar penetration that AT&T + VZW customers experience.
It actually does bro lol but att and vzw doesn't have the lte range that sprint does hence why his vzw note kept switching
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The Note 2 (like all current Sprint 4G LTE phones) will be able to get 4G LTE on Sprints 1900 MHz LTE frequencies, and CDMA/1x on both 1900 and 800 MHz. Hope that helps.
Exactly their 1900 MHz penetrates and travels well its just bogged down
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It actually does bro lol but att and vzw doesn't have the lte range that sprint does hence why his vzw note kept switching
I see your point, and where your thought process is coming from, but it's indirectly related. The lower the frequency, the better the coverage, which thus has that added possibility of providing better data speeds. However, this does not include the bandwidth coming across that aforementioned spectrum. Multiple aspects come into play in regards to data speeds (backhaul, carriers, etc). That's why many are in the pits right now w/ their data speeds.
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Just checked my wifes sprint phone earlier today....

Sprints vision rollout had done "4 data speed upgrades" on a tower less than a mile where we live.....still pulling down .10mbps

They are supposed to be launching LTE in our area soon, if it's anything like their vision rollout I will not switch back to sprint anytime soon.
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Just checked my wifes sprint phone earlier today....

Sprints vision rollout had done "4 data speed upgrades" on a tower less than a mile where we live.....still pulling down .10mbps

They are supposed to be launching LTE in our area soon, if it's anything like their vision rollout I will not switch back to sprint anytime soon.
Those upgrades on the https://network.sprint.com site have nothing to to with Network Vision.
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Those upgrades on the https://network.sprint.com site have nothing to to with Network Vision.

So what exactly is it?

I would think when they said "data speed upgrade" that it would mean a data speed upgrade.


Where can I get accurate info?
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So what exactly is it?

I would think when they said "data speed upgrade" that it would mean a data speed upgrade.


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Those are separate tower updates. NV is a complete roll out of new panels on a majority of towers.
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Data "might" improve on 3G when more users use LTE. It's just moving people off one channel onto another. The key issue is going to be how they handle backhaul. I think that was the one advantage Wimax had over LTE.

By the way, I really think the key to Sprint's Wimax failure was an inability to get it deployed in major metros for a variety of reasons, including local code and regulation restrictions. Sprint then tried to work around it by focusing on smaller markets. Since LTE towers are going to be where many current 3G upgrades have taken place, the larger markets have fallen behind.

I think the merger will help with this as Sprint simply didn't (doesn't) have to capital for wider, faster deployment any longer.
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It just really annoys me that sprints site will show the "low end" of a 3g connection is .60mbps..and the high end is well over 1mbps.

I don't think we have even in our 3 years living here ever hit .60mbps.

I really do hope for the best with sprint, I am still on my families plan so I could get an upgrade whenever, but I don't want to get locked into another 2 years of what we have went through the last 2 years.

My part of the contract is up in April, they are "supposed" to be launching LTE in my area soon. If it works well at my house and at work then I will resign.

I don't need verizon's crazy speeds of 40mbps...I don't download huge files or anything, but it would be nice to be on sprint and not have to wait 5 mins to watch a 2 min video on youtube.

I'd be a-ok with data speeds around 3mbps.
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It just really annoys me that sprints site will show the "low end" of a 3g connection is .60mbps..and the high end is well over 1mbps.

I don't think we have even in our 3 years living here ever hit .60mbps.

I really do hope for the best with sprint, I am still on my families plan so I could get an upgrade whenever, but I don't want to get locked into another 2 years of what we have went through the last 2 years.

My part of the contract is up in April, they are "supposed" to be launching LTE in my area soon. If it works well at my house and at work then I will resign.

I don't need verizon's crazy speeds of 40mbps...I don't download huge files or anything, but it would be nice to be on sprint and not have to wait 5 mins to watch a 2 min video on youtube.

I'd be a-ok with data speeds around 3mbps.
If it's any consolation, my 3G speeds are outstanding, but I do not have access to LTE quite yet. I imagine we'll be seeing something within the next month or two.
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So what exactly is it?

I would think when they said "data speed upgrade" that it would mean a data speed upgrade.


Where can I get accurate info?
The network.sprint.com site only shows upgrades that will happen in advance of Network Vision. These upgrades are usually adding backhaul in the form of an additional T1 line ("data speed upgrade") or adding an additional carrier ("data capacity upgrade"). In many cases, these upgrades are so minor that you may not even notice a difference in data speed during peak times. Its Almost as if they are just trying to keep the network from getting any worse until Network Vision arrives in those areas. S4GRU calls them "bandaid fixes," which I think is probably a pretty good way to think of if.
The Network Vision upgrades (that include LTE) are completely different. As NyHitman1 said, NV upgrades include going to almost each and every one of Sprints 38,500+ towers and installing all new equipment and adding AAV, Microwave, or Fiber backhaul. Over 99% of Sprints 38,500+ towers will get these upgrades. Essentially, Sprint is in the process of completely rebuilding the entire network.
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There have been so many new markets starting Network Vision deployment lately, so there's probably no need to post every time something new happens... Just look at S4GRU.com. However, I had to post this one because it is great news for one of our very own. Someone who has been a great help to me over the years...
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