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Old October 9th, 2011, 12:00 AM   #101 (permalink)
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I bought a new WiMax phone in July & I get no WiMax where I live in Phoenix... I guess I'm gonna have to wait 2 more years to experience "4G"... ::sigh::

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ArmaggeonX, don't worry. You aren't missing anything. I'm in a heavy wimax service area. It's useless. It cuts on and off without any reason. It doesn't penetrate buildings. It's a very unreliable service the way that Sprint/Clearwire runs it.
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ArmaggeonX, don't worry. You aren't missing anything. I'm in a heavy wimax service area. It's useless. It cuts on and off without any reason. It doesn't penetrate buildings. It's a very unreliable service the way that Sprint/Clearwire runs it.
I think you are generally right.

I live in an area well blanketed in Wimax. Wimax, as it is implemented by Sprint and Clear requires a person to be outdoors, and stationary for the best customer user experience. Under these conditions, Wimax works very well

The downside is this is the complete opposite experience a person with a cell phone needs or wants.

Cell phones are travel companions and require 24/7 functionality, irrespective of location, or if one is commuting. As a result, Wimax is a complete failure as a mobile phone technology.

This is why you hear many Sprint customers with 4G say far too often that they just leave their 4G off and prefer to use 3G.

Sprint is smart to break from from Clear and Wimax as quickly as possible. Given what Wimax currently is, and how it has been implemented, I cant see why anyone would resist this change Sprint has planned.
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If they start a LTE network, and start selling said LTE devices, we can roam on other carrier LTE networks (Verizon). Will open up faster data connections.
No you will not be able to roam. This was already stated. Verizon LTE: no roaming, even if you want to -- Engadget
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Considering Clear is nearly dead and Sprint is going LTE, Wimax is a sneeze from being betamax'ed.

There are no other firms committing to Wimax in a big way.

This round is over and LTE won.
Intel, google, comcast, and a few dozen other companies. Just a few. Just wait until about feb, google or dish will buy sprint.
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I just read a news story that said Sprint will be dropping the wi-max network at the end of next year to switch to their own LTE network. Does this mean that our phones will no longer have 4G access after that?
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No, it does not mean that so no worries. Sprint will stop selling WiMax devices (phones and hotspots) at the end of next year, but most of these will be sold with two year contracts. Unless they enact a fire sale without contracts, you can bet they'll support WiMax through 2014 to honor those contracts. If they don't, they'll either a) switch you over to comparable LTE device, or b) have a hoard of angry customers. I'm willing to bet they'll go with Option A.

At any rate, those of us who bought WiMax phones this year should have nothing to worry about before we can upgrade again, no matter what upgrade schedule you're on.
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This is from a Sprint Premiere rep. this should ease concerns for most.

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The Network Vision configuration will allow for scalability and allow a simple network card to be inserted for hte technology being deployed, and a line run up to the tower for the antennae. New cabinets/sheds/etc. will not have to be built at each site because the new layout is built to be easily upgraded in the future with a single card and antenna combination. The current 4G WiMax equipment fits seamlessly into the Network Vision enclosures, with the overhaul of the network areas with WiMax will easily be converted over to the new configuration as it just requires changing the enclosure it is in.

We have not been given any new information about WiMax expansions other than what has already been announced. The last official announcement I saw was months ago. Any information other than that released i nthe official Sprint Newsroom would have been rumor and speculation, or based on incomplete internal information that was subject to change and should not have been released in the first place, specifically to avoid these situations.
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Right! Lol, I don't know how many times this has been clarified but people still keep bringing it up. Not trying to be rude, but even the IPhone will only be on 3G and they will have to pay the smartphone fee.
Look, I'm WELL AWARE the charge is for all smartphones, 3G or 4G. Some people apparently keep missing the point, and its rapidly turning into beating the proverbial dead horse so I'll say it one last time since I seem to be the only person who cares. For people who upgrade every single year or 2 then this whole thing is a non issue cuz they'll be getting new phones regardless of what happens with WIMAX.

The simple point I was trying to make that apparently isn't getting through is that NO ONE today buying a $200 smartphone on Sprint is buying something that doesn't support 4G, all top phones are 4G phones. And for people who live in an area where Sprint offers 4G service, such as myself, we realize the 4G speeds today our device is capable of and that we paid for.

Fast forward to the time when they stop supporting 4G WIMAX. Anyone on those devices, regardless of whether they've had that phone for 1 year and aren't eligble for an upgrade, or 4 years and just haven't chosen to upgrade, will suddenly no longer be able to realize the 4G speeds they were used to getting and paying for. In fact, many people chose that device in their area along with switching to Sprint SOLELY because Sprint offered 4G before anyone else (Evo 4G) and all top phones now are 4G phones.

Not everyone upgrades every year or 2 to the latest and greatest phone if their current phone is working well for them. Prime example is EVO 4G, many ppl feel the EVO 3D isn't a worthy upgrade from what they have so they're sticking with the EVO 4G. Whether it be one bought today brand new, or one bought last year when it was initially released.

So some people may not want to spend $200 every year or 2 upgrading to the latest and greatest phone if they are happy with what they already have and spent $200 on in the first place. If they suddenly lose 4G speeds they are used to getting, and their only options are to simply stick around with Sprint and spend another $200 on upgrading, or taking their business elsewhere since they feel their being forced into a new product, then Sprint would be losing business.

Notice how many people threatened to leave just because of their recent Sprint Premier changes. What if people suddenly lose 4G even though they're used to getting it the past few years and Sprint says the only way to get it back is to go out and buy a new phone that they don't need.

If people complained that bad about the Premier change, the noise will get REALLY loud after the move to no longer support WIMAX, and Sprint needs to keep (not continue to bleed) customers and revenue.

If on the other hand they plan it out accordingly, where they support WIMAX until several years after they stop selling WIMAX devices to give people ample time to upgrade, then this is mitigated to a large extent. Also they don't need to continue to expand WIMAX for the next few years, just keep those towers "turned on" in areas that already experience service.
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Sprint needs to expand WiMax coverage & support it until the last WiMax phone reaches it's End Of Life. This whole idea that they are not going to expand WiMax while they keep selling WiMax phones is reprehensible, in my opinion.
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Not everyone upgrades every year or 2 to the latest and greatest phone if their current phone is working well for them. Prime example is EVO 4G, many ppl feel the EVO 3D isn't a worthy upgrade from what they have so they're sticking with the EVO 4G. Whether it be one bought today brand new, or one bought last year when it was initially released.

So some people may not want to spend $200 every year or 2 upgrading to the latest and greatest phone if they are happy with what they already have and spent $200 on in the first place. If they suddenly lose 4G speeds they are used to getting, and their only options are to simply stick around with Sprint and spend another $200 on upgrading, or taking their business elsewhere since they feel their being forced into a new product, then Sprint would be losing business.

Notice how many people threatened to leave just because of their recent Sprint Premier changes. What if people suddenly lose 4G even though they're used to getting it the past few years and Sprint says the only way to get it back is to go out and buy a new phone that they don't need.

If people complained that bad about the Premier change, the noise will get REALLY loud after the move to no longer support WIMAX, and Sprint needs to keep (not continue to bleed) customers and revenue.

If on the other hand they plan it out accordingly, where they support WIMAX until several years after they stop selling WIMAX devices to give people ample time to upgrade, then this is mitigated to a large extent. Also they don't need to continue to expand WIMAX for the next few years, just keep those towers "turned on" in areas that already experience service.
If those people don't want to upgrade when WiMax is no longer supported, than they don't really have anything to complain about. It's their choice not to upgrade, nobody is making them. Sure, it would kinda suck to have a 4G phone that no longer gets 4G, but if they don't want to upgrade because of some sentimental attachment to their phone, then they can't really complain.

I believe it has already been said that Sprint will keep up WiMax for a few years after they stop making WiMax phones. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong though.
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...It's their choice not to upgrade, nobody is making them. Sure, it would kinda suck to have a 4G phone that no longer gets 4G, but if they don't want to upgrade because of some sentimental attachment to their phone, then they can't really complain.
It has nothing to do with a sentimental attachment to their current phone. It is all about the extra $200 they'd have to shell out just to have the "priviledge" of signing another 2 year agreement and buying the latest phone. Yes everyone has the option of simply spending $200 and signing up for another 2 year agreement just for the priviledge of getting their 4G speeds back and upgrading to the latest device. Not everyone is OK with spending $200 on new phones every year or 2 just to always get the latest and greatest device.

By still selling WIMAX phones and clearly stating they plan to no longer support WIMAX at some point in the future, they are basically saying if you want to keep the same level of service you get today you'll have to upgrade to LTE and sign another 2 year agreement. That would be the equivalent of Qwest or Comcast downgrading your internet speed and telling you if you want it back to what it was before, you'll have to shell out $200 and sign another 2 year contract.

Sure some people have no problem signing a new contract and shelling out $200 every couple years, so this isn't an issue for them. This isn't the case for everyone however.
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yea.. i see both points, I really do. However tech (especially wireless gadgets) are improving and advancing at an exponential rate as of late. The evolution of technology.. you can accept it, or reject it... but either way its going to happen. Personally, I'm excited and looking forward to the Network Vision upgrades, and welcome it! Besides, your WiMax will most likely work for at least 2 more years. This is like bitching cuz nobody will activate my analog Moto StarTac I got burried in the desk drawer.
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It has nothing to do with a sentimental attachment to their current phone. It is all about the extra $200 they'd have to shell out just to have the "priviledge" of signing another 2 year agreement and buying the latest phone. Yes everyone has the option of simply spending $200 and signing up for another 2 year agreement just for the priviledge of getting their 4G speeds back and upgrading to the latest device. Not everyone is OK with spending $200 on new phones every year or 2 just to always get the latest and greatest device.

By still selling WIMAX phones and clearly stating they plan to no longer support WIMAX at some point in the future, they are basically saying if you want to keep the same level of service you get today you'll have to upgrade to LTE and sign another 2 year agreement. That would be the equivalent of Qwest or Comcast downgrading your internet speed and telling you if you want it back to what it was before, you'll have to shell out $200 and sign another 2 year contract.

Sure some people have no problem signing a new contract and shelling out $200 every couple years, so this isn't an issue for them. This isn't the case for everyone however.
Why are you acting like this something just sprint is doing? Both ATT and Tmobile are marketing their HSPA+ as "4g" when soon they will axing that for LTE, so why aren't all the ATTMobile customers bitching? Technology changes guys and you have to deal with it.

WiMax isn't going anywhere so don't worry about it.
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That is a good point.
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I have a hard time looking at the numbers.

Sprint, right now, will default on its debt in march of 2012. Not including the lte upgrades and the iphone subsidy.

LTE, by sprint admission, will cost 5 billion in 2012 and 5 billion in 2013, remember verizon is spending only 5 billion to build out it lte network and sprint already spent 10 billion to build out wimax. The iphone will cost sprint, 8 billion dollars in 2012.

Now including the 19.5 billion in debt compared to the 3 billion they take in annually. I just don't understand how sprint is going to make 16 billion dollars in 2012 to cover everything.

Bottom line, sprint is looking for a buy out. Unless someone can explain to me how a company that is 19.5 billion dollars in debt, has the ability to make up 16 billion dollars in 1 year.

It has a Ba3 junk rating. In fact, most of the investment firms state one thing about sprint "un-invest-able".

As for the wimax doom and gloom crowd. Wimax is going nowhere. It is being used to replace your wifi connections.
Not true. Sprint got 9 billion from lightsquared to build out the network. They will be sharing the network with sprint and will be using 3g to roam. It also saves lightsquared 13 billion by not having to put up their own towers. So there you go, sprint is spending 10 billion to build out the network and they got 9 of that from lightsquared. Getting iphone on the network is only going to help them out. The neat part is lightsquared lte will run on a different band then sprints and it will be switched on when lightsquared has solved all the outstanding issues with the gps problems.
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How do we know that every lte phone will cost 200 dollars. Right now sprint is the only wimax carrier and they have the nexus s for next to nothing. Soooo it would stand to reason that as more lte technology is advanced and adopted the phones will get cheaper.
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Just some more Network Vision news!

Sprint Bringing The 4G – Readies 12 LTE Devices For 2012 and LTE-Advanced For 2013

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/25/sprints-lte-getting-advanced-in-2013-wimaxs-inferiority-compl/
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My upgrade is on April 2012. But I'm not getting any new phones until LTE rolls out. I'm guessing the next EVO will be the first with Sprint's new LTE.
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Actually, your timing is great! I plan on doing the same.. but I'll pay full price for the first LTE EVO I can get my hands on. Next summer should be fun!
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Actually, your timing is great! I plan on doing the same.. but I'll pay full price for the first LTE EVO I can get my hands on. Next summer should be fun!
Ooooh, you'd better believe it! I am feeling pretty optimistic. Even though there are supposedly no further improvements on 4G I am getting better signals (even in the house ) and 3G is a lot faster than it was too. And now LTE! It's gonna be a good day, 'Tater!
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Actually, your timing is great! I plan on doing the same.. but I'll pay full price for the first LTE EVO I can get my hands on. Next summer should be fun!
I'm actually waiting for the Galaxy S III. I hope the rumored specs of the phone come true and it comes mid 2012. EVO is another choice. I just hope HTC step thier game up this time around.
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I'm getting pretty excited for my next upgrade. I'll be selling my Evo 3D probably around May and using my girlfriend's old Samsung Moment for a month until the 3rd Generation Evo comes out and she'll have her upgrade due then as well, so we'll probably both get them. Badassery will ensue.
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I'm getting pretty excited for my next upgrade. I'll be selling my Evo 3D probably around May and using my girlfriend's old Samsung Moment for a month until the 3rd Generation Evo comes out and she'll have her upgrade due then as well, so we'll probably both get them. Badassery will ensue.
I'll have an upgrade available in the Spring so I will probably get the next generation EVO and pass my EVO 3D on to my husband. While I am certainly open minded about other brands, HTC has been good to me with regular updates and support. I am just hoping by then LTE will be as good here as Wimax is now. Lol, I guess I am one of those rare people who is actually in an excellent coverage area.
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With new LTE coming out mid-2012, I wonder if Sprint will have one with both WiMAX and LTE radios. Otherwise, it'll be similar to 4G devices now, albeit LTE is on the schedule to be fully expanded in 2013 (per their schedule and we know how schedules are managed).

I have feeling that the first LTE device owners (me included) will still be gimping through until then.
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So we are expecting the first LTE device to be around June? That's usually the month the EVO comes out.
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With new LTE coming out mid-2012, I wonder if Sprint will have one with both WiMAX and LTE radios. Otherwise, it'll be similar to 4G devices now, albeit LTE is on the schedule to be fully expanded in 2013 (per their schedule and we know how schedules are managed).

I have feeling that the first LTE device owners (me included) will still be gimping through until then.
Granted the spectrum/network integration that Network Vision provides, I have a feeling that the 4G (LTE) rollout will be much faster and smoother this time around. EDIT: I support this with slide 16 of the above Sprint document. It says that by next summer/mid-2012, LTE will cover 123million people, which is already 3 million more than wimax covers. Then, looking further ahead, that number doubles in 2013, to 250M pop's.

Also, Sprint has already said they will not have devices that support both wimax and lte. Sprints focus is now lte.
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So we are expecting the first LTE device to be around June? That's usually the month the EVO comes out.
That's what Im thinking.. June or July.. Aug at the latest.
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I hope not. August is so far away.
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See what is going on in your area... tower by tower. You can see what has happened to each tower in the last 6 months, and what will be happening to each tower in the next 6 months. I applaud Sprint for doing this, rather than just making it a guessing game as to what is going on.

This is pretty cool:

https://network.sprint.com/
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Oh yeah! I knew it wasn't all in my head!

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There are no planned upgrades in this area.


And off to vzw or att I go.
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I just hope LTE ends up being as good as my Wimax...

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i wish my wimax was half as good as your wimax
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See what is going on in your area... tower by tower. You can see what has happened to each tower in the last 6 months, and what will be happening to each tower in the next 6 months. I applaud Sprint for doing this, rather than just making it a guessing game as to what is going on.

This is pretty cool:

https://network.sprint.com/
Thanks for that link. Looks like theres going to be some improvements in my area on the next 6 months.
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No prob. Same in my area.. In fact, it looks like every tower in Phoenix is getting upgrades.
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All towers will at some point see some form of upgrades. The problem is that Sprint out sources the work like WiMax that Clearwire did for them. So Sprint just needs to find the right company and get started. That is the sticking point right now and that is why it is called Sprint Network Vision. The other great part is when the IDEN towers get better upgrades most Android phones in and around that tower will start to get better performance. Oh and 1 last thing on that map in the Link when you see upgrades in the last 6 months that is CDMA REV:0 to CDMA REV:A and WiMax add-ons to the towers. The jump in POPS from 2011 to 2012 is the IDEN towers getting switched to CDMA and LTE
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The city I spend most of my time in just got massive voice and backhaul upgrades and a few new towers added in prior dead zones..

3g and 4g coverage and speeds have improved dramatically even during peak times.

I truly hope they get their upgrades for everyone as quickly as possible..

The voice ads and backhaul improvements have been coming fast and furious.

I think Sprint will be in a great place by next summer and back to being a major player by the end of 2012

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The Verge has some additional information, claiming the first handsets should hit Q3 2012. Looks like Sprint wants to turn LTE on and make sure its functioning before letting the masses start playing on it. I think that's a better approach than what AT&T did with their LTE start-up.
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The Verge has some additional information, claiming the first handsets should hit Q3 2012. Looks like Sprint wants to turn LTE on and make sure its functioning before letting the masses start playing on it. I think that's a better approach than what AT&T did with their LTE start-up.

Nice to hear that SPRINT will be supporting 4G WIMAX until 2015.

Perhaps SPRINT will offer some incentives to those of us who are determined to hang on to our WIMAX phones 'til the last minute to switch to a 4G LTE handset,to hasten the switchover.
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The Verge has some additional information, claiming the first handsets should hit Q3 2012. Looks like Sprint wants to turn LTE on and make sure its functioning before letting the masses start playing on it. I think that's a better approach than what AT&T did with their LTE start-up.
That's the right approach. Only thing is now I have to hold on to my EVO until next summer lol.
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How do we know that every lte phone will cost 200 dollars. Right now sprint is the only wimax carrier and they have the nexus s for next to nothing. Soooo it would stand to reason that as more lte technology is advanced and adopted the phones will get cheaper.

The Nexus S started out at $200...

I don't think phones will get cheaper to start out with...but all of them eventually go down or there's always specials at certain outlets. Just be glad you don't have to pay like 300 like a lot of Verizon phones.
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I guess Sprint had a webinar today and Network Vision was covered. Here is a report on it... its looking pretty fantastic.

Sprint 4G Rollout Updates - New Network Vision and LTE Deployment info released in Sprint Webinar today
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The slides from the webinar are in post #124
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The slides from the webinar are in post #124
different webinar dude. that happened months ago. this update happened today
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Same webinar look at the slides in your post and look at the slides in my post. today was not the first day of the webinar. And it was not months ago it was weeks ago it's on going
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humm.. maybe, but i just looked through the slides from post 124 and the slides from this post are not in there. either way, nothing to get worked up about... its still an update..
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