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Ok, now here's the big megaquote!

nick, how much time do you spend in Play? I drop in to tap "install" then I never see it again. If I'm doing a bunch of stuff I might spend 5 minutes tolerating it in a day, then I don't see it again for weeks. Mostly I use it on a computer in a browser where there's plenty of screen real estate to handle all the oversized crud they put in anyway.
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Appbrain is just a browser. when i choose to install something i have to cringe at the pastel card-crap of Play Store.
Yup, just like I said...but it minimizes your exposure. It's ugly but just to tap a single button you should be able to cringe through it.

You know, I bet you could use Play from a browser and write code to clean it up and skin it. In Opera use UserJS. In Firefox use Greasemonkey. Plenty of people do it for other sites.

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Star Trek LCARS, as much as some folks assume is just like Windows 8 and Google's new UI, isn't at all like it.
I wasn't thinking of LCARS, but actually...when the crap hits the fan, children have occasionally saved the ship. I can't remember what episodes but I'm pretty sure it has happened. Hasn't it?

No, I was thinking of interfaces in general that allow anyone to operate and engineer any ship regardless of language and design differences.

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yeah, multitouch (iOS) started with the first iPhone. it also paved the way towards more accurate touchscreens and finger input, far more natural than a stylus. but wait! the stylus is BACK! just like speech recognition, we're going to see touchscreens held back by the few dinosaurs who prefer to wield a stylus. heck for a while HDTVs and flat-panel monitors were held back because the same folks preferred a CRT for a few years.
Dude. Don't worry about the stylus. It's not compulsory. It's there on one model (or a scant few?) for those who want to use it. Further, you can't say "stop goring MY ox" at the same time as "gore HIS ox". If you want them to keep old features while adding new ones, sending mixed messages won't help.

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However if Google gets the same ego as Microsoft and Facebook and starts ignoring user complaints
Too late.

It's your fault. I mean YOU. You, me, and everybody else who dislikes it. As long as you keep using it you are approving it. Actions speak louder than words. Tolerate a different selection. Deal with the loss of updates for the apps you bought. Accept more risk. Put your money where your mouth is or they'll never pay attention to you.

You mentioned a historic event in which people stood up for what they believe in. They didn't just speak. They acted. They died for what they thought was right. The stakes are lower here and so are the costs of taking action. You don't have to die.

You know who's the larger Android market than folks like you and me? China. And you know what? They don't use Play. If they can live without it, you can.

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I would be all for Ubuntu if they 1) DITCH UNITY!!!
That's not an option for people who want Ubuntu but not Unity? It is on the desktop.

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and 2) make it where all my current paid-for apps from Google Play would work, or at least have an appstore to replace Play entirely and carry the same database.
Unfortunately that's the nature of choosing a different OS...you have to start over and abandon stuff you bought, at least unless decent virtualization is available and you have the power to support it.

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Where is the choice? Even in Linux you can hack out unity.
I wouldn't call it hacking, unless you mean on mobile versions. On regular desktop linux you simple choose which environment you want, or even choose a distribution that doesn't offer Unity.

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Why are they copying Windows 8 vs. Innovating on their own? Android didn't get where it is today by copying!
No, but now they're here and they're not gonna get anywhere new by doing what they've always done. They're not going to lose the customers they gained as long as there's no better option, and in the meantime they stand to steal some customers from the competition that they emulate.

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Heck I'd use the older Play Store if I could find A way to stop it from auto updating. I've searched but found nothing. All the methods stop working after Gingerbread. Android 4.x lacks 'market updater' so I can't find how it updates itself.
Learn about linux firewalling. Perhaps funnel Play through a local proxy and filter out updates to Play while allowing everything else.

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If there was an app store with as many apps and paid apps as Play, I would easily delete Play Store entirely.
I bet you could get a few preferable app stores the sum total of which would be a superset of what's available on Play. You'll still have to use Play to get updates for the apps you bought from Play unless you want to get them illegitimately.

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EDIT: that last Link, the mirrors are dead. Megashare redirects to cloud storage sites, and rapidgator is 404 file not found.
To acquire files that have expired from sites like that (or were on sites that were shut down by the authorities), you need to do some creative searching. Use the URL that you know and find someone's post with a list of other mirrors. Use the filename at a search engine made for sites like that. Etc.

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To be fair, my grandmother knows her way around Linux better than I do.
Give her adb shell and tell her what I said about filtering unwanted traffic.

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Let's assume for the moment the flat design sticks, like the latter fad above. Very soon, displays are made to take advantage of the design. Gone are high resolution, high PPI, billions-of-colors tech because flat-ui only needs 16 colors and low resolution. People obviously prefer the stylus so no point in improving capacitive screen tech, just bring back resistive screens and possibly a slider keyboard or Bluetooth keyboard.
People still want to watch videos and use colorful apps. Don't worry, we won't get EGA screens.

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I know! Folks absolutely despise Windows 8 and its cartoon UI. How hypocritical that most of those same people seem perfectly OK with Play's recent UI and even hope it becomes Android 5.0 (perish the thought )
People only get in and get out of Play, they don't hang around in it all the time. People on Windows 8 are stuck with it the whole time they operate their computer.
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