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Default Many issues with ICS update... Not sure it's worth it...

Got the ICS update and since then I have been having lots of problems. Apps are unstable (they flash rapidly and then crash), including Gmail which I cannot use at all (I have tried to uninstall and reinstall... but the same issues continue). I have also tried to use the new folder option, but here also, suddenly the folders start to flash before the whole thing crashes leaving only the wallpaper and not option to restart the whole tablet. Like many other persons, my wifi is also unstable. It fails to connect when I arrive home (it used to before), once connected, it disconnects and does not connect back automatically. I have tried to obtain help from Acer, but they are not really helpful. They only suggest to wait for an update, but do not seem to have an idea on when this might be. Is there any possibility to return back to Honeycomb in the meantime? The new version does not provide a lot of improvements, anyway.

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I am sorry that your having these problems!! I upgraded yesterday and all works fine.

Have you done a pinhole reset?
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I am sorry that your having these problems!! I upgraded yesterday and all works fine.

Have you done a pinhole reset?
I have. No impact. Lots of people have issues with the ICS update. It seems irresponsible from Acer to have released a firmware that is so buggy.
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I have. No impact. Lots of people have issues with the ICS update. It seems irresponsible from Acer to have released a firmware that is so buggy.
I'm not sure I'd go that far. Some devices, like mine and StoneKy's are working well, and that was likely the case with the devices Acer tested with. The next step I suggest you take is do a factory data reset to wipe everything and start with a plain ICS (as if you took the device out of the box with ICS on it) and set it back up, install your apps again. Unfortunately, it just has to be done that way sometimes, even though the update is supposed to be done without loss of data.
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I have. No impact. Lots of people have issues with the ICS update. It seems irresponsible from Acer to have released a firmware that is so buggy.
Updated yesterday and 'am loving it so far, a litte bit different and a heck of a lot faster!
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I updated my machine yesterday and have had nothing but problems since. I use my tablet for mapping with Co Pilot. I'm a trucker so the truck Maps are a life saver. After the update my map program no longer works. I did a reinstall with the Program with even worse results. My only choice is a complete reset back to factory and do all the updates up to the ICS. That's hours of redoing to get it back to where it is now. My machine is not any faster nor is it stable. Just before the update I noticed I was having a problem with random reboots, a problem I never had since I bought it new the first day they were available here where I live, In Ohio. So I hope y'all have better luck than I've had with mine!
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I updated my machine yesterday and have had nothing but problems since. I use my tablet for mapping with Co Pilot. I'm a trucker so the truck Maps are a life saver. After the update my map program no longer works. I did a reinstall with the Program with even worse results. My only choice is a complete reset back to factory and do all the updates up to the ICS. That's hours of redoing to get it back to where it is now. My machine is not any faster nor is it stable. Just before the update I noticed I was having a problem with random reboots, a problem I never had since I bought it new the first day they were available here where I live, In Ohio. So I hope y'all have better luck than I've had with mine!
Maybe the copilot app isn't compatible with ICS?

I have to say that I'm LOVING ICS SO FAR! It's amazing. My tablet is stable, fast, and everything just WORKS as it should. Couldn't be happier.
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Maybe the copilot app isn't compatible with ICS?

I have to say that I'm LOVING ICS SO FAR! It's amazing. My tablet is stable, fast, and everything just WORKS as it should. Couldn't be happier.
Lucky you... Even after a factory reset, I still have problems.

Regarding the GPS, it is not even a question of program on my side. The whole GPS system does not seem to work, regardless of the program used.
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Did a foctory reset last night. Got my CoPilot working sort of... tried to reinstall my apps and found I lost all that, non recoverable. The factory reset doesn't take it back to Gingerbread like I was hoping. It just resets all the factory settings to the optomine settings for ICS. Alot of the apps I tried to reinstall say they aren't available for this version of Android. Lets hope they see what they have done to us and some how fix it. There are problems with the WIFI even after the reset. But I hope there are fixes coming soon from Acer. I tried several GPS programs and all worked good for me accept CoPilot. It doesn't want to boot up. But if I keep hitting the icon several times it boots and works good, tracking seems better than preICS. I'll keep at it and see if I can get it to work the way it is supposed to. I'm already in contact with ALK as I was a beta tester with them when the A500 was first released.
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I agree! My tablet is now just an over-sized paperweight!
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Question Anybody has an idea of how to fix the missing icons issue?

Hello everybody.

After reading the griefs many are having with their A500's with ICS, I confess I feel sort of relieved because in comparison my issues have been little.

To start with I just installed the update and got ICS a couple of days ago. The previous major update (3.2, upon release schedule) forced me to use the 'recovery' option in order to get installed (an advise from Acer's tech support that actually worked), so my ICS was installed on a relatively clean environment.

A couple of weeks back I also had those 'random' reboots someone mentioned, but 'realized' they were caused by the application "File Expert", which refuses to work or otherwise produces trouble when the wifi is off, and I am pretty sure that the 2 or 3 times the machine rebooted itself I was trying to preserve power by turning wifi off (and had used File Expert at some point).

Regarding ICS I don't find the tablet slow (web browsing is smoother) but have got twice the irritating issue of the icons flashing and dying. I am currently looking for a solution... has anyone been luck to find a fix?

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I finally did a factory reset. It solved some issues, but not all:

Seems to be solved:
- Unstable applications (flashing and crashing, including Gmail).
- Unstable folders (flashing, crashing and all icons on the desktop disappearing).

Unsolved:
- Wifi is unstable and does not auto-connect (I have to connect manually when I restart the tablet or when I get home... it was working fine before ICS).
- The GPS does not work (I am not sure if it was working before ICS... as I had not had the time to test, so maybe it is not new).
- System update does not work (indicates that network coverage is insufficient despite the signal being strong and staying beside the wireless router).
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Finding this thread stopped me from creating a new one...... Since the
"upgrade" to ICS, my WIFI CONSTANTLY quits on me. It seems like every
time I turn the display back on, WIFI is dead again. Absolutely inexcusable.

But that's not all....my screen just flashes randomly---no idea why or what
it's doing.

Now, before someone suggests a full reset, you need to include details
on how to do a FULL reset (apps, app settings, app data, everything, prior
to doing a reset, or suggest something else...because I won't do it. I
CAN'T do that.

oh well..... The one good thing is being able to rake screenshots of the
camera app I'm working on via the tablet itself. But with WIFI that's
ALMOST as stable as nitroglycerin......
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Finding this thread stopped me from creating a new one...... Since the
"upgrade" to ICS, my WIFI CONSTANTLY quits on me. It seems like every
time I turn the display back on, WIFI is dead again. Absolutely inexcusable.

But that's not all....my screen just flashes randomly---no idea why or what
it's doing.

Now, before someone suggests a full reset, you need to include details
on how to do a FULL reset (apps, app settings, app data, everything, prior
to doing a reset, or suggest something else...because I won't do it. I
CAN'T do that.

oh well..... The one good thing is being able to rake screenshots of the
camera app I'm working on via the tablet itself. But with WIFI that's
ALMOST as stable as nitroglycerin......

Did you check your wifi settings? Auto connect etc...
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Did you check your wifi settings? Auto connect etc...
I don't see any auto-connect now, but I have gone through the settings many times......
Stay on while in sleep is still set to "always" but that seems to be when wifi shuts down.
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How does one do a full reset? Go to Settings, Backup & reset and tap "Factory data reset". This will reset the tablet to "factory". I say it that way because it won't go back to Honeycomb, it will be a clean slate on ICS instead.

Why won't you do a reset? For what it's worth, I was one that had TONS of trouble with WiFi when the 3.1 (?) release came, mine is ROCK SOLID this time with none of the issues others are reporting (so far, with the stuff that I use on a daily basis). In fact, the ICS update seems to have FIXED my problem with the maps app, that I had "fixed" with directions from another forum and the issue had recently returned.
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I think I've found the problem/fix with WIFI. It appears that ICS may not
"see' some WIFI settings unless you set them again. I went into what is
now advanced settings and re-saved the setting to keep WIFI on even when
the display is off (i.e., NEVER turn WIFI off unless manually). It's been fine
since then. It could be a massive coincidence, but I seriously doubt it.

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Finding this thread stopped me from creating a new one...... Since the
"upgrade" to ICS, my WIFI CONSTANTLY quits on me. It seems like every
time I turn the display back on, WIFI is dead again. Absolutely inexcusable.

But that's not all....my screen just flashes randomly---no idea why or what
it's..

Do you also see problems with screen auto rotate when you rotate your tablet? If so, (and possibly if not), the screen flashing symptoms you describe suggest that you may be encountering this problem: Possible Relief for Several A500 ICS Related Symptoms/Problems

In short, remove task/app killer apps, any apps that are "force closing" and then use the pinhole reset button while your tablet is on to clear the condition.
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Do you also see problems with screen auto rotate when you rotate your tablet?
Hard to say, as I have an auto-rotate on/off widget, and normally keep it locked on landscape.
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When I first did the update my machine was totally unstable! I thought I had backed up all my apps...NOT. So when I did the factory reset it did help the machine become more stable but lost everything I had in board. So now it's a matter of replacing the missing pieces, in a way a good thing since I had way to much crap on that I didn't use. BUT... My Co Pilot takes a few taps on the start icon but after it does start itndoes seem to work better than before the update. The only other issue I had was reading files with my PC. After the update it was unstable and unreadable. I haven't tried it since the reset. All in all, it seems that each machine reacted to the update differently. The people at ALK said they had a great many people with update problems after the update and are working on fixing thier end asap.
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Factory reset resolves some issues, so it's worth trying. However, in my case, it did not solve all the issues and I keep finding new ones (e.g. bluetooth).

Seems to be solved:
- Unstable applications (flashing and crashing, including Gmail).
- Unstable folders (flashing, crashing and all icons on the desktop disappearing).

Unsolved:
- The GPS does not work (this is a new issue I had not noticed before; I am not sure if it is related to ICS, since I have not had my tablet for a long time and I had not tested location through the GPS; I have tested recommendations in forums, but they did not work).
- Wifi is unstable (the strength of the signal varies constantly; it disconnects; it does not connect automatically when I arrive at home and activate the device; this is a new issue since ICS).
- Bluetooth is unstable (it disconnects me regularly; I have to turn Bluetooth off and back on for the devices to connect again; this is a new issue since ICS).

I think at this time, the only reasonable thing to do is to return the tablet back to Acer. They can deal with the mess they have created.
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- Wifi is unstable (the strength of the signal varies constantly; it disconnects; it does not connect automatically when I arrive at home and activate the device; this is a new issue since IC
- Bluetooth is unstable (it disconnects me regularly; I have to turn Bluetooth off and back on for the devices to connect again; this is a new issue since ICS).

First, for wifi, see my post above...it appears that some settings just needed to be re-applied. [oh, and at
least here, wifi signal levels have always varied constantly...nothing new there.]

As for Bluetooth, I use it constantly while working on my camera app, and at least on my A500, it
hasn't changed a bit.

What HAS changed, which I find to be. ROYAL PITA, is the reversal of options in standard dialogs
such as, "save cancel" becoming "cancel save" ... THAT is something that needs to at LEAST have
an option to set back to "normal".

later,
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I suspect that most problems are based on either too many apps in the tablet before update, or to much crap in the OS....
My was stock when I updated to ICS, and to be sure I made a clean up before I did it as well!
I also made a soft reset as well.....
It works like a million bucks after the update!
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I can understand some spotty 16 year old in his bedroom playing around with his software then releasing it to his mates over the Internet bugs and all.

BUT.
When you get a company such as Acer release a upgrade you expect it to work.

Its all very well having the geeks come along telling you to delete this and change that but i bought a tablet to work i just want to switch it on use it and switch it off without any problems.
Acer should have had this sorted out before releasing it to the public.

How many of you would buy a new car and as soon as a fault appeared be told to roll up your sleeves and get on and fix it?.
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When you get a company such as Acer release a upgrade you expect it to work.

Its all very well having the geeks come along telling you to delete this and
change that but i bought a tablet to work i just want to switch it on use it
and switch it off without any problems.

Acer should have had this sorted out before releasing it to the public.
I must say, I agree 100%. While I do have some great/fun games, videos, etc.,
on my tablet, as a two-time cancer survivor with, among other permanent
after-effects, a need to take certain meds, pills and self-injections on schedule
(and some are sensitive to time of day) for the rest of my life. And, every time
I go to any of my doctors, they may ask for an updated prescription list. With the
damage done to my memory by one chemo drug (high-dose/24-hour per day
Cisplatin...and anyone familiar with it is cringing right now..), my tablet IS my
memory. It reminds me when it's time for meds, injections, etc. It has my
prescriptions, it reminds me about doctor's appointments, and so on.

I need this to be the stable, reliable, and fast platform that I paid dearly
(relative to my monthly SSD check) for......

Believe me when I say that the usual "just do a hard reset" trash is NOT an
option unless I can back up EVERYTHING first. Nor is having it randomly crash
and reboot as it did today.

OK, that's enough of my babbling on for a month or two...sorry. But I am quite
serious about this. Fortunately, since re-applying the wifi settings, which
stabilized wifi, and except for today's crash, most of the issues have only
been annoying (things like swiping one way to move to the next screen in one
direction, and having it go the opposite direction).

Later,
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I was experiencing GPS problems, but I think I found a fix for it (it worked on my a500 version 1):
- download an app called "GPS status" from the market.
- in the menu there is a section called "tools" and go into it
- a menu shows up, and in there there is a section called "manage a-gps"; tap that
- then tap "reset"
- follow the steps above again and instead of tapping "reset", tap "download".
try this at your own risk.
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When I check online, it says that CoPilot Live USA is compatible with my device, an Acer with ICS on it
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When I check online, it says that CoPilot Live USA is compatible with my device, an Acer with ICS on it
I have Copilot on my A500 with ICS and it works very well. I've upgraded from the USA basic to being able to drag routes and also text to speech. The text to speech had me wondering for a bit as I couldn't get it to tell me the street name but I discovered through searching that not all voices would work for that. When you look at the voices available the only one that speaks street names is the one with and asterisk by it. You can purchase other voices that will work with it also.
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Mine has been shutting itself down in sleep mode randomly when plugged in and when it is not plugged in. I did a factory reset and a hardware reset as suggested by acer. The only change since then is that it now turns off when plugged in which it didn't do before hand. This never happened before the ics update.
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Mine has been shutting itself down in sleep mode randomly when plugged in and when it is not plugged in. I did a factory reset and a hardware reset as suggested by acer. The only change since then is that it now turns off when plugged in which it didn't do before hand. This never happened before the ics update.
I saw that you posted the same problem here also, where I have provided suggestions: randomly turns off since update
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When I first did my update to ICS my co piolt froze and wouldn't work at all. I uninstalle and reinstalled it with no luck! I contacted ALK and let them know if the problems. I was a bata tester when the A500 first came out and the truck version did not work on it. I'm a truck driver so I use my Co Pilot every day. I had to do a factory reset to get it working. I've had other issues with the ICS now working right. But Co Pilot is the most important. It takes a few clicks on the icon to get it to boot, but after it boots it does work better with ICS than it did with Honeycomb. I have a problem with the wifi. It will connect with the portable wifi hub I have with Verizon but won't connect with my home network, not sure why tho. I have done the pin hole reset hoping it would get the wifi working like it did back with the 3.1 update but no luck. I've had to do 3 factory resets so far and each time I do somethng else finds a way to mess up. I am sorry I did the update to ICS and the Acer support doesn't exist if it's not under warantee!
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In addition to all the other problems caused by this half-baked OS, it has also been designed to eliminate the USB Mass Storage option when connecting by USB to your PC. Where you could copy all your SD Card files to your PC using Honeycomb, ICS allows only Media or Photo files to be copied. The 5 GB of non-photo non-media files on my A500 SD card don't even show up as existing when I connect it to my PC now. The SD card folder appears empty on my PC.

I reverted back to rooted Honeycomb. I like having a fully functional tablet and being able work with ALL my files without restriction. ICS is looking like the "Windows 8 Metro" version of Android.
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In addition to all the other problems caused by this half-baked OS, it has also been designed to eliminate the USB Mass Storage option when connecting by USB to your PC. Where you could copy all your SD Card files to your PC using Honeycomb, ICS allows only Media or Photo files to be copied. The 5 GB of non-photo non-media files on my A500 SD card don't even show up as existing when I connect it to my PC now. The SD card folder appears empty on my PC.

I reverted back to rooted Honeycomb. I like having a fully functional tablet and being able work with ALL my files without restriction. ICS is looking like the "Windows 8 Metro" version of Android.
That's not my experience at all. When connected to a PC I can see all of the internal and external microSD memory and move files as I wish.

Before I upgraded, I backed up all my files and reset the computer to the factory settings, installed a blank 8 GB microSD card and installed the Acer Updater. I then ran the ICS 4.0.3 update from a stock installatuion. Everything went well and I re-established my Wifi link.

I then re-formatted the 16 GB microSD card that had been in the tablet and rebootted the tablet with the microSD card. Once that was done I copied all my downloads, video, music and other files, then proceeded to do a new install fo everything.

It took longer than the average person might want to invest, but everything works without a hitch. I can visit a lot of sites (ESPN, Facebook, etc.) in native rather than mobile mode. Even Netflix 1.8 streams video through the HDMI port. My experience might be in the minority here, but with a step by step install ICS 4.0.3 should run (mostly) bug free. It also uses less memory and manages storage slightly better.
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I found a work around for the Mass Storage issue. Instead of trying to use USB to copy (non-photo, non-media) files from the tablet to my PC, I am using Cheetah Sync Premium to copy them by WiFi. It has no restrictions like those imposed by ICS disabling the USB Mass Storage connection, and lets me copy any file I want from the tablet to my PC. So with that issue circumvented, I'm using ICS again. Hopefully there are no additional "control" issues waiting to surface.
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I was having the flashing screen and crashing of the gmail app ever since my ICS update. It was so bad that most of the time it'd take 2 or 3 "quick reboots" with this quick reboot app (I think it was basically an app killer) before I could read my gmail without it crashing. I looked everywhere on the web for a solution and could never find one. I did a factory reset and then setup my tablet again, but sure enough the problem came back. So I got to thinking it MUST be one of my apps not playing nicely with the update since everyone isn't having the problem. I factory reset again and instead of loading every app all at once I slowly added a couple apps a day while checking gmail for bugs. Anyway, I've been on my tablet for weeks now without a problem! I found 2 apps that cause my Iconia to crash gmail by doing it this way. The apps are: "Sketchbook Pro" (painting app) and "Vignette" paid version (Camera app) If you're having problems and have either app, try uninstalling it and see if the problems go away. It did for me!
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Thanks, Timmy! That's good to know.

I just had my Patriot 16GB Class 10 Micro SDHC decide to die on me. The tablet suddenly reported the card as "damaged". This happened back in October, but I was able to reformat the card FAT32 and load backed up copies of my files. But today, the card won't even reformat. Windows 7 says it 'cannot complete the operation'. So I guess SD cards do sometimes die. I've replaced the card with one from PNY. Patriot is a top name, so I was really surprised this happened.

After formatting and loading files on the card, when I inserted it the notebook refused to see it until I rebooted the notebook. Now it seems OK.

This is the kind of bushwhacking that keeps me wanting to be able to copy my files over to the PC, just so that when I DO lose everything I can get them back. Product vendors would rather totally control what you can put where and how you put it there, and have you turn over all your files to their 'cloud' storage (so they can rummage through them and probably sell any worthwhile logistical data to telemarketers). All in the super-sparkly name of 'convenience'. No free rides. They always have an angle. If the device doesn't have a fully removable SD card, I won't buy it. Ever. And I want to be able to access ALL MY FILES by cable to my PC - no cloud storage middleman.
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I have been having nothing but problems with this update. I should never've updated...

When I lock the tablet, it wont turn the screen back on, say a half hour after I turn it off. i have to turn the tablet off, by holding the button down and having it shut down automatically - then turn it back on. This is getting very frustrating and I need to know how to re-install Honeycomb 3.2 onto my tablet without hacking it.

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I'm sorry, but I can't suggest anything if you aren't rooted. Perhaps someone else can tell you what to do. I would think there is likely a way to do a 'factory restore' but it will probably involve using ADB and a computer.
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I'm sorry, but I can't suggest anything if you aren't rooted. Perhaps someone else can tell you what to do. I would think there is likely a way to do a 'factory restore' but it will probably involve using ADB and a computer.
What's an ADB? And will it restore Honeycomb?
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ADB stands for Android Debug Bridge. It is a program that you use on a PC, either from Windows or Linux usually, to talk to the phone over a USB cable. It's a rather involved process to use it. Personally I like 'one click' methods better But without being rooted, I am thinking this would be your only option. It is the same process your provider would use to restore your phone if it died under warranty. And in fact the software to make it work actually comes from the vendor who marketed your device.

As I understand it, ADB would allow a copy of the default OEM ROM to be flashed into the tablet and make it like new again, only using Gingerbread like it had before. But I don't know of any other way to do that without root access.

If you are not rooted, and still under warranty, the easiest thing would be to have your carrier deal with the problem. It may be possible the device itself has become defective. Otherwise, there is information on the forum to figure these things out, but it would mean a lot of reading. If you can, it might be best to get someone schooled on this stuff to help, if anyone nearby qualifies.
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ADB stands for Android Debug Bridge. It is a program that you use on a PC, either from Windows or Linux
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All of the problems with Acer updates has been the norm since the very first update when these tablets first came out. I was never able to load a update and after all the problems with the first major update I was glad, That was when I decided to root and i haven't had to mess with Acer again. I know that rooting isn't for everyone but I'm sure glad I did it. When you use a build from a DEV on XDA you can read pages of comments before you commit to using there build. So you know what your getting. Oh and you can do a full system backup so if things get bad you can just roll it back to whatever build you prefer.
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I always have to wonder, when someone joins a forum, makes one or two posts, usually with a major problem, and then never gets back to us, if he was ever successful? I like to hope so.

Although reading an entire thread, often with 1000 plus posts, seems a daunting task, there is something very beneficial about doing so. I've found having done that several times, I can get a sense of whether the ROM being developed and discussed seems destined for success, or seems to remain fraught with difficulties. Those which seem to be on a smooth and stable track have always served me well. Those on which I have felt it was a crap shoot going in usually have too many issues and I have to unload them for something more stable.

Although my belief is that the Android OS is a form of electronic freedom incarnate, allowing us to OWN and actually USE our devices in ways we previously could only imagine, it is only that way because of the hard work and support of the developmental community and all the good folks on these forums. Take away the forums, and you are stuck with the carrot on a stick that < insert your cell carrier here > dumps on you for a hefty price, when the only "support" most of them can provide is to replace your device, putting you behind the same carrot all over again. Most of them are totally clueless to the phones features, beyond the content of your own user manual, which is usually abysmally lacking in proper descriptions and understanding.

With forums, rooting and custom ROMs, we get to EAT that carrot in a tasty stew of real, unlocked features. And we have very knowledgeable people who really understand the inner workings of the devices and can explain them in plain (un-accented) English.
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That's the truth. I just purchased a Acer 7" tablet from best buy about 6 months ago and the guy was clueless about all the tablets. He tried to sell me a screen protector because the screen on the tablet was easy to scratch. I told him that the glass was Gorilla glass made by cornning and he said "really". Then he tried to sell my friend a samsung tablet "i think cant remember" saying it had the same specs as the acer and i told him that the samsung didn't have a slot for the memory card and he had no clue. I have had this same type of conversations at Verizon. If I had a job working in either of those industries I would at least read up on the items I sold so I didn't sound to stupid. Although I do realize it would be hard to read up on everything in a big store like best buy but i would at least cover the most popular items.
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I don't know if this is true, but I was told that when a new model of phone ships to verizon, each of their floor sales people has to spend a month using it as their own phone, presumably to familiarize themselves with each new model. In contrast, I've never read (or experienced) anything positive about Best Buy sales people. They are often arrogant, woefully lacking in even basic computer knowledge, and seem more on a caliber of used car sales than any kind of technician. IF you can even get one to help you at all.

When Universal Mass Storage started sailing off into the sunset I started keeping a close eye on which of the phones I was looking to buy next even had an SD card. In the process I read that it is planned (by Samsung, among others) to totally do away with using an SD card AND USB CONNECTION in their smartphones and tablets. These product vendors want to return to the draconian days of "you get only and exactly what WE give you" in your device, and try to keep us from any sort of customization or addons. I'll never buy a device with such restrictions. Fortunately the Galaxy S III made it out still having both those features, and a removable battery, which is something else I demand in a smartphone. I would have liked a removable battery in my A500 tablet, but it was a gift from my son, so I didn't take part in the selection process.

We consumers need to start voting with our wallets, and simply ignore new products that lack the features we want. If everyone did that, they would have to get the message.
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Not sure if ebook still reads this.

I upgraded to ICS about last April- I'll admit, I did a complete wipe before installing... No issues except for the GPS. However, I only kept it this way 2-3 days before rooting, installing custom kernel, etc. so I don't have a valid opinion on the stock ICS.

The a500 has a notoriously bad GPS antenna in it, its not ICS's fault, I do know that- the issue dates back even to the 3.0 Honeycomb installation.
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The a500 has a notoriously bad GPS antenna in it, its not ICS's fault, I do know that- the issue dates back even to the 3.0 Honeycomb installation.

I can attest to that. One thing I learned shortly after getting my A500, the GPS works a LOT faster/better if you stand the tablet up vs. lying it flat.
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