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Old November 15th, 2011, 05:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Amazon is worse than Apple when it comes to shafting their customers.

Just go look at the history of the kindle sku updates. Wait 3-4 months and they will put out a much better one for the same price or $50 more.

I expect at least two new Kindles next year before Summer.

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Old November 15th, 2011, 06:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Original Kindle - Nov 2007
Kindle 2 - February 2009
Kindle DX - May 2009
Kindle DX Graphite (same as DX, just grey) July 2010
Kindle 3 (now called Kindle Keyboard) - Also July 2010
Kindle Fire and Kindle Touches - September 2011.

So it looks like they release a new Kindle every year since 2009. How is this different than Apple or any other OEM? It was nearly a year and a half between the Kindle 2 and the Kindle 3.
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Kindle 2 - February 2009
Kindle DX - May 2009

Kindle DX Graphite (same as DX, just grey) July 2010
Kindle 3 (now called Kindle Keyboard) - Also July 2010
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Kindle 2 - February 2009
Kindle DX - May 2009

Kindle DX Graphite (same as DX, just grey) July 2010
Kindle 3 (now called Kindle Keyboard) - Also July 2010
Not really sure what your point is.
You're talking about different products. The Kindle DX isn't just the next version of the Kindle 2 and the Kindle DX graphite is a color change and it came out 14 months after the original DC. The Kindle 3 which was the successor to the Kindle 2 came out 17 months later.
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Fine just mark this post and check back around March for the new Kindle Fire.
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Fine just mark this post and check back around March for the new Kindle Fire.
It that happened it would be a huge change from how Amazon normally does things. The one year (or more) product cycle has kind of become standard in the tech world. I would be willing to bet you $100 that there is no new Kindle until late next year. A 4 month product cycle would be extremely short for Amazon. Why do you think they're going to cut their typical product cycle in half?
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It that happened it would be a huge change from how Amazon normally does things. The one year (or more) product cycle has kind of become standard in the tech world. I would be willing to bet you $100 that there is no new Kindle until late next year. A 4 month product cycle would be extremely short for Amazon. Why do you think they're going to cut their typical product cycle in half?
There is supposed to be another one with a larger screen coming soon. But that doesn't replace the current Fire just as there were a couple different e-ink Kindles all available at the same time.
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It that happened it would be a huge change from how Amazon normally does things. The one year (or more) product cycle has kind of become standard in the tech world. I would be willing to bet you $100 that there is no new Kindle until late next year. A 4 month product cycle would be extremely short for Amazon. Why do you think they're going to cut their typical product cycle in half?
Seems to me to be extremely short indeed , especially since they reportedly were in a rush for the Fire to begin with which is why they outsourced the hardware.

Four months, they would need to be almost done with it now to go through the test process , etc. They would not even have time to incorporate any changes from feedback (or issues) from the initial Fire, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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I want a tablet now. I don't feel like waiting 4 months hoping that Amazon releases a marginally better tablet.

You are not going to get a much better tablet for the price in 4 months just based on the costs of components. There will probably be a 10 inch tablet for $299 but I won't expect an upgrade for the 7 inch model.

And when does having short product cycles are considered shafting the customer? There is always something better around the corner.
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I want a tablet now. I don't feel like waiting 4 months hoping that Amazon releases a marginally better tablet.
Ditto. Me too.

And HOPEFULLY, a 10" Fire tablet WILL be released next spring. If so, I'll buy that too and past this to one of my children or sell it on Craigslist.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 01:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
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There is supposed to be another one with a larger screen coming soon. But that doesn't replace the current Fire just as there were a couple different e-ink Kindles all available at the same time.
I wouldn't consider a 10" Fire an upgrade over the 7" Fire any more than the DX is an upgrade over the Kindle 2 myself. Unless they're going to retire the 7" Fire in 4 months. I don't see that happening at all. The 7" is backordered already. They're selling like hotcakes and Christmas is around the corner. Four months from now, they'll know if the thing is going to be a flash in the pan or a legit best seller. If the former, then we may not see another one. If the latter, then I think we could see a 10" version in the late summer or fall.
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Old November 17th, 2011, 05:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
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All I'm saying is they've done it before and boy were people mad.
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Old November 17th, 2011, 06:13 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I wouldn't consider a 10" Fire an upgrade over the 7" Fire any more than the DX is an upgrade over the Kindle 2 myself. Unless they're going to retire the 7" Fire in 4 months. I don't see that happening at all. The 7" is backordered already. They're selling like hotcakes and Christmas is around the corner. Four months from now, they'll know if the thing is going to be a flash in the pan or a legit best seller. If the former, then we may not see another one. If the latter, then I think we could see a 10" version in the late summer or fall.
I'm with you - I don't consider a 10" model an "upgrade". I like the 7" size: if it had been 10", I wouldn't have bought it. The 7" tab fits in my coat pocket; 10" doesn't.
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Old November 17th, 2011, 06:42 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Oh, by the way I got one for the kids.

It feels just as heavy as my iPad...Yikes!
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Old November 17th, 2011, 08:01 PM   #15 (permalink)
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All I'm saying is they've done it before and boy were people mad.
I posted the version history of the Kindle. They have never done it before. Ever.
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Old November 17th, 2011, 08:09 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Yes they have you posted it:
Kindle 2 - February 2009
Kindle DX - May 2009

Isn't that with in four months?
Who cares if one was the DX my point was they've done it and will do it again.
It might be larger is might be the same size who knows, but they will do it.
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The DX is not a successor to the Kindle 2. The sold the Kindle 2 and the Kindle DX side by side for a year and continued selling the DX along side the Kindle 3. The still sell the Kindle DX. If the DX was a successor to the Kindle 2, why did they continue to sell it after the DX came out?
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Sucessor is your word not mine. I just said they will put out a new one in 4 months.
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The Kindle 2 and DX are different sizes. Kind of like a tablet manufacturer offering two different sizes of a tablet. The DX wasn't released to replace the Kindle 2, but for the audience that wanted a Kindle with a larger screen. Does it make more sense for Amazon to release their normal sized Kindle one year, then the larger DX a year later, or have two that cater to different audiences at the same time?
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Sucessor is your word not mine. I just said they will put out a new one in 4 months.
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For the record, the DX was ~150 bucks more than the launch price of the Kindle 2.
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For the record, the DX was ~150 bucks more than the launch price of the Kindle 2.
Again I said "better" not successor. Those words mean two totally different things.
Successor:one that follows; especially: one who succeeds to a throne, title, estate, or office
Better:improved in accuracy or performance <building a better engine>

Let me put it in simple terms...There will be a new Kindel SKU in 4 months.
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Again I said "better" not successor. Those words mean two totally different things.
Successor:one that follows; especially: one who succeeds to a throne, title, estate, or office
Better:improved in accuracy or performance <building a better engine>

Let me put it in simple terms...There will be a new Kindel SKU in 4 months.
But you also said 50 dollars more, and then tried to use the DX to prove your point. But the DX was not 50 dollars more.
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Again I said "better" not successor. Those words mean two totally different things.
Successor:one that follows; especially: one who succeeds to a throne, title, estate, or office
Better:improved in accuracy or performance <building a better engine>

Let me put it in simple terms...There will be a new Kindel SKU in 4 months.
The DX is not better than the Kindle 2. It's identical. The only difference is the size.
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Again I said "better" not successor. Those words mean two totally different things.
Successor:one that follows; especially: one who succeeds to a throne, title, estate, or office
Better:improved in accuracy or performance <building a better engine>

Let me put it in simple terms...There will be a new Kindel SKU in 4 months.
Why would you care? The kindle is an ereader. If there were a new fire tablet in 4 months someone might care but wtf? It was $199 - get the new one if you want it. Or don't. If your complaint is they release too many new models I must say that's a pretty thin hair to be splitting.
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Again I said "better" not successor. Those words mean two totally different things.
Successor:one that follows; especially: one who succeeds to a throne, title, estate, or office
Better:improved in accuracy or performance <building a better engine>

Let me put it in simple terms...There will be a new Kindel SKU in 4 months.
That's completely irrelevant if it's not something that anyone is going to jump ship for. If the come out with an identical model 4 months from now, but it's white it'll be a different SKU. How many people are going to abandon the black Fire in order to buy the white one? None. Ok, you might have a few nutcases who are fanboys and have to have both, but they are the small, small majority. They are not going to put out an upgraded/updated model in four months. I'll put $100 to your favorite charity on the line here.
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I want a tablet now. I don't feel like waiting 4 months hoping that Amazon releases a marginally better tablet.

You are not going to get a much better tablet for the price in 4 months just based on the costs of components. There will probably be a 10 inch tablet for $299 but I won't expect an upgrade for the 7 inch model.

And when does having short product cycles are considered shafting the customer? There is always something better around the corner.
Media Center - not a tablet.
You are comparing a full computer with a souped up e-reader.
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Maybe the K1.5 will be as simple as adding a mic for Yap keeping the price point the same.
Amazon Buys Voice Recognition Company To Compete Against Apple’s Siri Assistant

or maybe they're working on a Kindle phone.

Hmmmmmm.
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Maybe the K1.5 will be as simple as adding a mic for Yap keeping the price point the same.
Amazon Buys Voice Recognition Company To Compete Against Apple’s Siri Assistant

or maybe they're working on a Kindle phone.

Hmmmmmm.
what skerrs me is amazon trying to come out with a cellphone device... what thu?

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Honestly, who cares? I will never understand the people who think that they can stay ahead of technology. There is always gonna be a new better product right around the corner. Why not just wait forever and never buy anything?
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Too late I bought mine and it is sitting at the house while I am at work. I do not care if they release another one next week, I bought this one knowing what I am getting and feel it will fill my needs.
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New SKU Q1 of 2012 just like I said.
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An 8.9 inch screen is to the Kindle Fire what the Kindle DX is to the Kindle 3. That assumes the rumor is actually true.
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I guess I should throw mine away. No point in keeping it now if they're to be releasing one with an 8.9" screen in 6 months.
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The only way I will be at all miffed, is if the price stays the same. Even then, I already thought about giving this to my sis in the event that a new one came shortly. The beauty of this tablet is that it is so relatively cheap for what it does. I'm sure a lot of people bought this for it's portability, not everyone wants a bigger screen. My guess is they are going to be a bit more expensive too.
I knew that a new bigger version would be coming out before I even purchased mine, this has been known since before the launch date.
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Nothing new about this rumor which was running around before the kindle fire was announced. Time to move along now.
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Even if they release a new one and its a lot better just ebay the old one and upgrade, or keep it and use it , its not like the old one will cease to work. Amazon shouldn't try to hold to a cycle. They should always strive for the best tech at the lowest cost to their consumers.
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Yeah, I just bought a new camaro and now I hear they are making a new one next year. I guess it is worthless now.
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Yeah, I just bought a new camaro and now I hear they are making a new one next year. I guess it is worthless now.
Thats bullshit. They did that to my car too. In fact I found out that I actually got one of the older models on the lot and next years model was on the lot at the same time.

Man I got screwed.
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Im gonna set mine on fire, then throw it off the roof of my house, then put out the fire, then run over it with my car, then back up over it, then jump out the car and stomp on it and then Im gonna eat it.

That will make it up for a new model coming out the q2 of next year.....

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I guess I should throw mine away. No point in keeping it now if they're to be releasing one with an 8.9" screen in 6 months.
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What are you gonna do when you buy the 8.9" model and find out two weeks later that they're coming out with a 9.725" model in 6 months?
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The OP makes me laugh.

The ipad can't even be held with 1 hand comfortably(I have tons of friends and family with one) and it a lot heavier device. Yet, he tries to say the fire is equally as heavy lol.

That's all you need to read to know he is using his own hate towards a company or device and not using facts.

The rumor link he posted talks about an Ipad3, so should all ipad2 users also never buy an ipad since that company also makes new devices every 6months to a year? hahahahha.

Darn it my graphics card is outdated that i bought earlier this year, I hate Nvidia for making new things each month. And my TV, it doesn't have 3d or internet, why did they make new ones after I got to 1080P and 120Hz? sucks.... I hate Vizio!!!!

come on man, grow up.....

By the time the new kindle is out, I will have used this one enough to get my $200 out of it. Then I can sell this one for at least $100 and buy the new one should I feel the need to. No big deal.
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And you just know that if you buy a new Chevrolet today, they're just going to release a better one next year and you'll be tied to the GM dealership for years and forced to buy Chevrolet parts. It's a giant conspiracy to get your money!

Learned my most important lesson about "tech" back in 1985, when I bought an Osborne PC and the company declared bankruptcy two weeks later. Decades later, after many devices of all kinds, the beat goes on. Bought Kindle Fires for gifts this year and fully expect them to be obsolete (sort of) before long. Don't you know, there is always a better widget...
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Amazon is worse than Apple when it comes to shafting their customers.

Just go look at the history of the kindle sku updates. Wait 3-4 months and they will put out a much better one for the same price or $50 more.

I expect at least two new Kindles next year before Summer.
And that is a good thing. Amazon is doing EXACTLY what they should be doing. Better, cheaper, and faster next year at a lower cost. Not sure your complaint is worth considering, quite frankly.

By the way, Apple does not shaft their customers.
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