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Old January 13th, 2012, 05:35 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I have a Zagg on mine SGS2 as well and even though I can see through it just fine and it fits nicely and doesn't come off. It annoys the smack out of me because the screen protector is so sticky... this is a bother to me simply because the protector I used on my previous iphone was not sticky and was wonderful.. wish I could remember the manufacturer for it to get an android equiv but can't

At least the Zagg protects well... if it wasn't so pricey I would have ripped it off and tried an alternative though. YMMV

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Old January 13th, 2012, 07:10 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I currently do not have one but want to use it. I tried putting one on when I first got my phone but it was terrible looking with the air bubbles and all. I took it off and not using one at the moment.
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The air bubbles completely dissipate after 3-5 days.
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I recently got an Xperia Arc which I love but have a problem with getting a screen protector for it (worried I'll lose functionality, I guess).

So instead I bought a protective case/bag for it - and I'm just careful when I take it out. I've had too many problems with previous phones to take any chances - see number 8 on the list here!
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Old January 19th, 2012, 06:12 AM   #55 (permalink)
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The air bubbles completely dissipate after 3-5 days.
Hmmm, I wish I had known ahead of time.

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My wife has an Evo 4g and I have a Nexus S 4g and we use no screen protectors. These screens are so brutally durable, I just don't see a reason to use one & potentially screw up the way the touchscreen feels and works.

My Nexus is a year old, and my wife's Evo is 1.5 years old and she is HARD on her phones. Both screens are flawless when wiped clean.
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You know what? After about three weeks the zagg shield started to look like crap, no matter how much I wiped it down it always looked dirty, so I removed it. Naked screen looks great, wipes clean and is scratch free.
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I use Zagg too. I've been using the same protector on my Droid 2 for 4 months, and it still works great! I ordered it online and installed it myself. It cost $15, but it is well worth the price. It fits the screen perfectly, doesn't detract from the image on the screen, and never comes loose. I highly recommend it if Zagg makes a protector for your device.
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Once you learn how to install the protectors without making any bubbles, then they are pretty effective. But it can be really annoying installing them >_>

They are also very cheap which is good, so you can buy some extra, because you will fail to install them without bubbles the first 1-2 tries.
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Because I love the feel of GG. And fingurprints are so much easier to wipe off.
And quite frankly, plastic is unnecessary with GG.
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I'm lazy to put on a screen protector...
Somehow I feel a flip case is enough, my was doing that.
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I used to buy screen protectors for all my phones.
Never bought the expensive ones though. I went on eBay and bought the cheap ones for 0.99cents
They all worked great.
I have a 3VO and my wife has an EVO and we both don't use them.
Had them for over a year and the screens are spotless.

I still use a rubber case though. I drop my phone enough times to never be without one.
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I haven't used screen protectors since I bought a phone with Gorilla glass. It looks better without a screen protector, and I use my phone carefully enough that I don't get any sceen scratches.
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Old June 24th, 2012, 12:00 AM   #64 (permalink)
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I've got a "Clear Protector" cover on mine, still crystal clear after 3 months of fairly hard use.
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Protectors are a must imo especially for long term usage. I purchased mine through Amazon called ArmorSuit. It's been very solid. Hope you decide to choose one!
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Protectors are a must imo especially for long term usage. I purchased mine through Amazon called ArmorSuit. It's been very solid. Hope you decide to choose one!
Why are they a must? None of my smartphones with Gorilla glass had a broken screen or deep scratches after I was done with them. May be one or two small scratches visible only under special angle. Screen looks way better without a screen protector.
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Why are they a must? None of my smartphones with Gorilla glass had a broken screen or deep scratches after I was done with them. May be one or two small scratches visible only under special angle. Screen looks way better without a screen protector.
I totally agree, and see no need to cover such special feeling and looking glass with a plastic film.
I disagree with the people that insist that "you can't even tell it's there".
Just my opinion, though.
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Some protectors have different effects from anti-glare reduction to reassurance. I wouldn't want my device which cost me a chunk of my paycheck to get damaged at all. It really depends on your preferences, but I can see the protectors industry staying strong.
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I don't/won't use a screen protector with any device that has gorilla glass. I 100% believe in the quality of Corning's products and trust it.

I also had the feeling of a screen protector.
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Some protectors have different effects from anti-glare reduction to reassurance. I wouldn't want my device which cost me a chunk of my paycheck to get damaged at all. It really depends on your preferences, but I can see the protectors industry staying strong.
I don't see it staying strong at all. As glass becomes better and more devices are covered, the need for protectors will vanish completely.
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A good ZAGG will protect it forever.
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Also, s. protectors greatly protect the value of your phone.
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There will definitely be more use of screen protectors in the future. Even a car's tough windows which I believe are similar to the gorilla class can get scratches. Same principles apply.. I wouldn't want my car to get scratched although I can't put a protector on it.. so I can at least do that with my device ;]
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i actually just ordered a screen protector from xoskins. will report back late on it .
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There will definitely be more use of screen protectors in the future. Even a car's tough windows which I believe are similar to the gorilla class can get scratches. Same principles apply.. I wouldn't want my car to get scratched although I can't put a protector on it.. so I can at least do that with my device ;]
Well, people with OCD will buy screen protectors forever, but the demand will decrease, as more people realize that it is not that easy to scratch Gorilla glass under normal use and reasonable precautions. My phone is everywhere with me and still no scratches without screen protector.
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i got my screen protector from xo skins today. Was pretty easy to install and seems to look really nice on my samsung galaxy s 3. My rrommate has the same one and he said they are a good brand so i decided to try them out. No problems
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I'm crap at installing them, so my dad helped me. Although, after a while curiosity got the better of me and I started picking at it,big mistakes, bubble were all over it. So yeah, I don't use one anymore...
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When I used screen protectors, I found that the ones requiring liquid for installation were the easiest to install.
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A good ZAGG will protect it forever.
ZAGG needs to pay your for advertisement. Even I want to buy one. I am not worried about my screen, but I am slightly concerned about other parts of my phone.
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There will definitely be more use of screen protectors in the future. Even a car's tough windows which I believe are similar to the gorilla class can get scratches. Same principles apply.. I wouldn't want my car to get scratched although I can't put a protector on it.. so I can at least do that with my device ;]
This sounds like a future episode of Myth Busters. Have 2 cars drive behind a truck that has pebbles/sand/dirt slowly coming from the back of it. Cover one of the cars windshield w/ a giant ZAGG screen protector & leave the other cars windshield naked. Would be cool to see just how much less damage the cars windshield w/ the ZAGG would have.
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The most difficult part is to apply them.
yeah some are harder than others. Had no problem with this one though. good luck trying to find the right one
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I have the Zagg protector on my old phone, but I don't like it that much. It protects the screen perfectly, but it's a bit sticky, and not as smooth as I hoped for when I bought it. Challenging to apply aswell... For my S3 I instead bought a cheap Chinese clear screen protector. Way easier to apply and practically invisible. No significant loss in touch sensitivity either!
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Well, people with OCD will buy screen protectors forever, but the demand will decrease, as more people realize that it is not that easy to scratch Gorilla glass under normal use and reasonable precautions. My phone is everywhere with me and still no scratches without screen protector.
Besides scratch resistance another reason that a lot of people don't realize is that wet apply military grade protectors offer increased impact resistance when you drop your phone and to which Gorilla Glass is not immune to even inside of a case . As far as Zagg's are concerned I stopped using them back in my BlackBerry days, can't stand the orange peel and rubbery feel. There are better military grade solutions that are also cheaper. I currently use Stealth Shieldz and when I had my Triumph I had very good luck with Armor Suit protectors.
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Definitely using screen protector! I will be reduced to a blubbering idiot if I found a scratch on my beautiful screen. Although I treat my phone pretty well, accidents happen and I would rather spend few bucks to protect my expensive phone than leave it to chance because I'm too lazy or cheap to buy one.
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what brand/company is that by chance?
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what brand/company is that by chance?
Well, I didn't really catch it. The package it came in just had lots of chinese symbols and some English instructions. However, I have a feeling that it is the same as this one:

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Edit:Actually found out that the brand was 3G or something
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thanks for the link. those are really cheap. Might have to get an extra one just to have handy at that price why not....
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Yeah I totally agree with this. Plus they really are not expensive and definitely worth the small amount of extra cash to help protect your phone.
Like wearing a condom....it helps keep you safe.....
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I think they are a must as they offer more protection and don't cause any performance or aesthetic issues.
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I too use a screen protector. Ok you have to attach it carefully (dust, air bubbles).
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yeah it isnt too hard though, you just have to be careful. A buddy of mine told me to do it in the bathroom and first turn the shower on hot water to steam up the room to get rid of all the dust. Helpful advice for me, then just use a card to get all the tiny air bubbles out. hope this helps
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I passed on a new nexus phone all because the seller didn't invest on a cheap screen protector....they were willing to drop the price to an almost unbelievable price....but I couldn't get past the several scratches on the screen
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