Go Back   Android Forums > Android Discussion > Android Applications
Android Applications All the information you could ever want about Android Applications. Learn about apps and get help with them... all here! New apps can be found and announced in the Applications Announcements forum linked below.

Like Tree2Likes

test: Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old June 17th, 2010, 09:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
New Member
Thread Author (OP)
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 3
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default Android without google account

Hi everyone,

I got my gf the new HTC Desire running Android 2.1. She likes it very much... wrt a google account being needed to access the market place her stance however is that she doesn't use gmail nor does she want to use any other personalised google services due to the unresolved privacy issues.

So is there a way to have your cake and eat it too, meaning accessing the market place and installing third party apps without having to link the phone with a google account?

If not, would it be a practicable way to access the market place with a clean account, install stuff and then unlink the phone again from the account? Would the apps, once installed, quit working if the link is no longer there (I'm of course not talking about something like a google mail app, but an app that does not 'really' require an account, like for example the opera web browser)?

Or are there any third party roms to swap with the phone's OS so a google account is not a prerequisite anymore?

Thanks so much for your help...
Have a great day
Marcus

Advertisements
newly-droided is offline  
Last edited by newly-droided; June 17th, 2010 at 09:55 AM.
Reply With Quote
sponsored links
Old June 17th, 2010, 10:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 108
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 21
Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Default

It's a Google phone, so you need a Google account. I don't even think there's a way to sign out of the account if you wanted to. I don't use Gmail either. You can pick and choose what services to use. Even if you block the contact and calendar sync, you'd at least need it for the marketplace. But she can just make a dummy account. If she doesn't buy anything she doesn't have to put a credit card in. But I mean, she's not gonna get away from Google on an Android phone. If you use the GPS you're gonna have to use Google Maps and Navigator.
Wordslinger is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old June 17th, 2010, 10:40 AM   #3 (permalink)
AF Contributor
 
Tim K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Phila, PA
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,630
 
Device(s): Galaxy Nexus LTE, Motorola Droid Razr, HP Touchpad, Nexus 7 (2013)
Carrier: Verizon Wireless

Thanks: 12
Thanked 466 Times in 320 Posts
Default

I think its funny how often someone complains about needing a google account likes its a big deal or a huge inconvenience. Its not like you can use an iphone without an itunes account....and you have to physically connect the iphone! You don't have to use a google email, you don't have to use a google calendar...but you do need a google account, plus its nice that all your contacts are stored in the cloud for you.
Tim K is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old June 17th, 2010, 10:48 AM   #4 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 588
 
Device(s): Incredible,GT 10.1
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 34
Thanked 113 Times in 83 Posts
Default

There are ways around all of the hurdles, but IMHO if you don't want to take advantage of the Google cloud (email, calendar, search, documents, maps etc) then you are much better off with a bb, palm or winOS phone. An Android is much, much less powerful without access to the cloud.

If she doesn't want to change phones, then the best bet would to be to try to educate her a bit on the ways of the world (to get her over her irrational fear of the cloud.)
nightfishing is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old June 17th, 2010, 12:25 PM   #5 (permalink)
New Member
Thread Author (OP)
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 3
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nightfishing View Post
There are ways around all of the hurdles, but IMHO if you don't want to take advantage of the Google cloud (email, calendar, search, documents, maps etc) then you are much better off with a bb, palm or winOS phone. An Android is much, much less powerful without access to the cloud.

If she doesn't want to change phones, then the best bet would to be to try to educate her a bit on the ways of the world (to get her over her irrational fear of the cloud.)
... well, some things first:

- I'm more of a convenience guy and might see things differently, *but* that said I can't really assure her that her data will not get mined, connected, misused, hacked by the chinese or given up to the authorities if the next hysteria of terrorists hits. Google is a huge player in a number of markets and actually has a track record of being intransparent and secretive about privacy issues. Leaving a digital trail as small as possible is a reasonable principle, as no one knows what might be the situation years down the line. As I said I personally often choose convenience over caution on that one, but I very much respect her for her thoughfulness - and I resent the insinuations made of some of you about her just being overly naive in the 'ways of the world', complaining or uneducated about this.

- this is *not* a Google Phone, but a HTC Desire as previously stated. It runs
Android, that is linux based and open source; I'm aware of the fact that Google drives the development, and I like their product a lot. However I don't see why for installing opera or other non-google software she should require an account if she'd prefer not to have one. This is still one cool piece of hard- and software, even without the cloud

== so what are the ways around the hurdles you guys spoke of? And is it really so that you could not unlock the phone from the account at a later point once it has been registered with it? Could the account be deleted to force a lock-off, or would the phone then go all crazy about it?

I'm really grateful for every bit of useful advice on this...

Thx a lot
Marcus
newly-droided is offline  
Last edited by newly-droided; June 17th, 2010 at 12:39 PM.
Reply With Quote
Old June 17th, 2010, 01:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
Posts: 19
 
Device(s): Sony Ericsson Xperia X10
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by newly-droided View Post
- this is *not* a Google Phone, but a HTC Desire as previously stated. It runs
Android, that is linux based and open source;
People still call it a "Google phone" because it runs Android. Even the Google Nexus One is actually made by HTC.

Quote:
Originally Posted by newly-droided View Post
And is it really so that you could not unlock the phone from the account at a later point once it has been registered with it? Could the account be deleted to force a lock-off, or would the phone then go all crazy about it?
Everyone's trying to convince you to use a Google account, but it won't blow up on you if you don't. You simply won't be able to use Google services such as Android Market, Gmail and Google Maps & Navigation. Installed apps will still work fine. I suggest getting a file manager like ASTRO so that you can install apps externally.

You can delete your Google account from the phone, but it's not very intuitive. I have an Xperia X10, so I don't know if the method's exactly the same, but here's how I do it:

1. Go to Settings > Applications > Manage Applications
2. Go to Gmail and click Clear data.
3. Go to Google Apps and click Clear data.

If that doesn't work, you could try clearing other Google apps like Gmail storage and Calendar.
Grospolina is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old June 17th, 2010, 02:12 PM   #7 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
KlaymenDK's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Denmark
Posts: 1,221
 
Device(s): HTC Desire Z (rooted, CyanogenMod v7.1; Revoked ClockworkMod) HTC Desire (rooted, Oxygen rom; Revoke
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 31
Thanked 132 Times in 100 Posts
Default

Welcome to the forum!
Quote:
Originally Posted by newly-droided View Post
she doesn't use gmail nor does she want to use any other personalised google services due to the unresolved privacy issues.
I am totally following you. I myself was a Google-avoiding stalwart for the longest time (heck, read some of my earliest posts here), but out of necessity I have had to succumb and sign up.

Sadly, the short answer is that any Android phone is just as tightly bound to a Google account as an iPhone is to an iTunes account. You may be able to use the phone without signing in, but it would be a very hamstrung experience. Even worse, with the state of PDA's of today, Android appears to be the "best" option currently available.
... but having said that, it really is quite all right.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim K View Post
I think its funny how often someone complains about needing a google account likes its a big deal or a huge inconvenience. Its not like you can use an iphone without an itunes account...
I don't find that funny. At all. Further, that "everybody else does it, too" in no way improves on the situation, quite the opposite -- if there was any alternative that was as open as Android, I'd not have signed up here.

In any case, having a critical point of view is healthy, and people should certainly not be neither scolded nor ridiculed for it.
__________________
Don't forget to hit the "Thanks" button when someone helps you!!!
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
-- 010\001\111 --
KlaymenDK is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to KlaymenDK For This Useful Post:
dylo22 (February 16th, 2011)
Old June 17th, 2010, 02:57 PM   #8 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 591
 
Device(s): Evo, Nook
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 5
Thanked 62 Times in 39 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KlaymenDK View Post

In any case, having a critical point of view is healthy, and people should certainly not be neither scolded nor ridiculed for it.
No. Having issues with the core functionality of a product but buying it anyway when there are better options isn't being critical, it is being stupid. If I refused to burn fossil fuels then bought a gas powered lawn mower, people SHOULD scold and ridicule me when I complained about having to manually spin the blade.
mrmojoz is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to mrmojoz For This Useful Post:
BookLover (January 18th, 2011), drowe (June 17th, 2010), tjreishus (June 18th, 2010)
Old June 18th, 2010, 02:32 AM   #9 (permalink)
New Member
Thread Author (OP)
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 3
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmojoz View Post
No. Having issues with the core functionality of a product but buying it anyway when there are better options isn't being critical, it is being stupid. If I refused to burn fossil fuels then bought a gas powered lawn mower, people SHOULD scold and ridicule me when I complained about having to manually spin the blade.
mrmojoz, I seriously hope that you're just acting out like this on the net, not in real life. It would be sad if you'd generally prefer to insult people because they have another point of view.

I was buying the best product that I could find hard- and software wise, and now I'm looking for ways to use what I think it's great about it while avoiding what I consider a downside. It's about choice and informed pragmatism. If you have to get all emotional about it instead of being helpful, go bother someone else.

Your argument is not valid either by the way... getting around the force-lock to a google account to install third party stuff like the opera browser has nothing to do with 'core functionality'. It's just one of the above mentioned downsides. Examples like you made it with the lawn moyer never really work a hundred percent, but to get your above example closer to reality, it would be like having a lawn mower that could be operated only using the brand of gas of one specific company without real necessity, so a pragmatic person would think about ways to refill it with other available brands.

I appreciate every helpful bit of information very much. I think the HTC desire is phantastic, and I'm really looking forward to froyo! So thanks to all of you that actually referred to my question, without freakin out on me or insulting my gf...

cheers
Marcus
newly-droided is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to newly-droided For This Useful Post:
dylo22 (February 16th, 2011)
Old June 18th, 2010, 03:06 AM   #10 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
mrqs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Suomi Finland Perkele
Posts: 1,448
 
Device(s): htc sensation nokia n8 samsung galaxy (broken - waterdamage)
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 46
Thanked 92 Times in 78 Posts
Default

i gotta agree with mrmojoz, the cloud integration is the whole point of android
you're asking to get rid of the very thing that makes the device good - without a google account, an android phone is a glorified featurephone

anyway, if you wanna feed your girlfriend's paranoia, you can install any app via a file manager provided you get your hands on the .apk file (of course you'll need to get that file manager installed first... not sure how this chicken-egg situation can be handled, but i'm sure there's a way)

a better mid-ground solution would be to create that dummy google account and use it to access the market (and maps?) - just have her disable syncing contacts, messages etc. and not use google mail, calendar etc. if she fears eric schmidt is gonna stalk her otherwise
__________________
All the best bands are affiliated with Satan - Bart Simpson
mrqs is offline  
Last edited by mrqs; June 18th, 2010 at 05:23 AM.
Reply With Quote
sponsored links
Old June 18th, 2010, 04:40 AM   #11 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
KlaymenDK's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Denmark
Posts: 1,221
 
Device(s): HTC Desire Z (rooted, CyanogenMod v7.1; Revoked ClockworkMod) HTC Desire (rooted, Oxygen rom; Revoke
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 31
Thanked 132 Times in 100 Posts
Default

You can install APK files using ADB, by connecting through USB with debug mode turned on. They would then appear in your app drawer.

It's not what I would call straightforward, though.
KlaymenDK is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old June 18th, 2010, 05:09 AM   #12 (permalink)
OK Computer
 
bluenova's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: W Midlands, UK
Posts: 1,618
 
Device(s): Samsung Galaxy Note - 4.2.2
Carrier: Everything Everywhere

Thanks: 189
Thanked 251 Times in 181 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim K View Post
I think its funny how often someone complains about needing a google account likes its a big deal or a huge inconvenience. Its not like you can use an iphone without an itunes account....and you have to physically connect the iphone! You don't have to use a google email, you don't have to use a google calendar...
+1, So many people assume having a Google account means having Gmail. Gmail is just one service you can optionally activate with a Google account, the 'Google Market Place' is another.

If you don't want to use the Google Market Place to get your apps, then there are a couple of other apps markets available such as AndSpot, SlideMe and AndAppStore.
bluenova is offline  
Last edited by bluenova; June 18th, 2010 at 05:14 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old June 18th, 2010, 08:40 AM   #13 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Tre Lawrence's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 1,475
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 100
Thanked 234 Times in 153 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KlaymenDK View Post
Welcome to the forum!

I am totally following you. I myself was a Google-avoiding stalwart for the longest time (heck, read some of my earliest posts here), but out of necessity I have had to succumb and sign up.

Sadly, the short answer is that any Android phone is just as tightly bound to a Google account as an iPhone is to an iTunes account. You may be able to use the phone without signing in, but it would be a very hamstrung experience. Even worse, with the state of PDA's of today, Android appears to be the "best" option currently available.
... but having said that, it really is quite all right.


I don't find that funny. At all. Further, that "everybody else does it, too" in no way improves on the situation, quite the opposite -- if there was any alternative that was as open as Android, I'd not have signed up here.

In any case, having a critical point of view is healthy, and people should certainly not be neither scolded nor ridiculed for it.

Well said.
Tre Lawrence is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old June 18th, 2010, 09:02 AM   #14 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
InstantKarma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Houston, Tejas
Posts: 988
 
Device(s): HTC Evo 4G LTE rooted stock, Nexus 7 stock
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 58
Thanked 146 Times in 117 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by newly-droided View Post
mrmojoz, I seriously hope that you're just acting out like this on the net, not in real life. It would be sad if you'd generally prefer to insult people because they have another point of view.
I'm sorry, but I think you're being overly defensive. (Okay, I'm not *actually* sorry (right now); but that might be the Irish whiskey talking.)

It's a Google phone whether you like it or not. I think your gf's being paranoid, personally, but regardless of who's correct: if you don't like/trust Google why would you buy a Google phone? Don't like/trust Microsoft, don't buy a WM* phone. Don't like/trust Apple (gawd knows I don't), don't buy an iPhone. Etc, and so forth.

And besides... Jesus, mountains and molehills. Create a gmail account and never use it for anything except to sign in to the phone. Big friggin' deal.
__________________
Founder of the Society for the Prevention of Apostrophe Abuse.
InstantKarma is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old June 18th, 2010, 09:26 AM   #15 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 201
 
Device(s): - HTC S621 - HTC Touch - HTC Magic - Samsung Captivate
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 3
Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts
Default

Hi guys, I bought a 24' yatch, but I really would like to use oars instead of the motor since I am extremely unhappy with all that BP thing. Can someone point me to a few tips on how to use oars? Thanks.

(joke)

Really, Everyone else said it. Android phones may be great phones; I won't argue with that, but you really have to be aware that it is almost useless without a Google account. You may be able to go through Appbrain instead of the market for your apps, but you are paying a lot of money for a phone of which you will use maybe 50% of its features.

I really would examine all other alternatives before buying an Android phone in your case. I hear that the Palm Pre is a great phone, and they're practically giving them away these days. The HTC HD2 is still a very good phone, and runs WM 6.5. You could even get the new iPhone, or an older model at reduced price. There are many alternatives.
nicracine is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old June 18th, 2010, 10:11 AM   #16 (permalink)
jev
Member
 
jev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Earth
Posts: 193
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 6
Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts
Default

I really don't care for any of the comments telling TS's gf to open a google account. If you don't want to, you don't need to, simple as that.

You can simply copy the .apk files from any apps you want on the SD card (use the USB cord and allow the phone to provide access to the card as a drive) and than install them using the file manager of your choice. The only problems you will meet are twofold: (1) you'll need to find the .apk files without getting them from the market and (2) you'll need to be able to install them from SD card. The latter is possible through file managers like ES file explorer or Astro, but that's a bit of a chicken/egg problem - the phone does not provide the means to actually install from SD card out of the box.

The former issue can be "solved" using websites like slideme.org, getjar.org and the websites of individual developers. Also, there are some apps anonymously available for download from the google codebase. You won't be able to find all apps this way though.

It's not the easiest way to use the phone but it is possible!
__________________
Twitter: a digital sewer where a flower floats by once every fortnight or so
jev is offline  
Last edited by jev; June 18th, 2010 at 10:13 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old June 18th, 2010, 10:32 AM   #17 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
mrqs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Suomi Finland Perkele
Posts: 1,448
 
Device(s): htc sensation nokia n8 samsung galaxy (broken - waterdamage)
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 46
Thanked 92 Times in 78 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jev View Post
I really don't care for any of the comments telling TS's gf to open a google account. If you don't want to, you don't need to, simple as that.
you can use a sharp spoon to get to the tuna, but there's no logical reason why you wouldn't want to use a can opener

i get that someone would rather not use gmail or sync their contacts or whatever, but even if you're paranoid enough to think google is interested in what kind of cooking recipes you exchange with your mom, creating a google account to access the market on an android phone is in no way exposing yourself to anything by any stretch of imagination
mrqs is offline  
Last edited by mrqs; June 18th, 2010 at 10:35 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old June 18th, 2010, 10:55 AM   #18 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 745
 
Device(s): Nexus 10, Moto Xoom, SGS3
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 47
Thanked 95 Times in 59 Posts
Default

My opinion is that what makes the android phones GREAT, is that it is tied to google the way that it is. Personally, to try to make this phone work without being connected to google would be just like the lawn mower comment. I think it would be more accurate to compare it to buying a Mercedes because it's the best, but not wanting to burn fuel. Sure, you can push it around, but your not going to be able to enjoy what it can really do.

I guess what I am saying, is that she really should get a different phone. She might have the best phone, but she won't be able to see what it can REALLY do.
tjreishus is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old September 11th, 2010, 07:11 AM   #19 (permalink)
New Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 2
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrqs
creating a google account to access the market on an android phone is in no way exposing yourself to anything by any stretch of imagination
no, you're not exposing anything, of course not. You only let google know which applications you want. But knowing only the installed apps is not exposing anything, of course. After all, google does not have enough data to find a group of people with similar apps and thus can not infer probable other interests. I understand very well that someone would prefer not to have a google account. Any database as large as google's is going to be misused at some time. Either it gets hacked, or someone working at google just develops an interest in some people ... Right now it is quite difficult for someone who wants at least minimal privacy protection to find a decent smartphone. However this might change later this year with the first MeeGo phones. I really hope that MeeGo is going to fill this void.
roid and roid is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old September 11th, 2010, 07:13 AM   #20 (permalink)
New Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 2
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

hmm, somehow the forum software ate my newline characters. Sorry that it's more difficult to read, but I don't know a workaround.
roid and roid is offline  
Reply With Quote
sponsored links
Old September 11th, 2010, 07:47 AM   #21 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Szadzik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,413
 
Device(s): Galaxy S4 Galaxy Note 10.1 Nexus 7 2013 LTE
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 209
Thanked 729 Times in 616 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by roid and roid View Post
no, you're not exposing anything, of course not. You only let google know which applications you want. But knowing only the installed apps is not exposing anything, of course. After all, google does not have enough data to find a group of people with similar apps and thus can not infer probable other interests. I understand very well that someone would prefer not to have a google account. Any database as large as google's is going to be misused at some time. Either it gets hacked, or someone working at google just develops an interest in some people ... Right now it is quite difficult for someone who wants at least minimal privacy protection to find a decent smartphone. However this might change later this year with the first MeeGo phones. I really hope that MeeGo is going to fill this void.
Dream on....

You think Google does not know about your stuff even though you do not have a Google account? Wrong.
__________________
OT MaxDB, CD1, CD5, J5, GD96, ME45, T68i, X6, CX65, A925, E398, MPx200, X6-2, OT715, D600E, W810, M600i, BB8100, W880, N95-2, P1i, Ignito, W880, X1, MS1, MS2, TP851, XT910, GTab 10.1, SGS3, SGS4, SGNote 10.1, Nexus 7 II
Szadzik is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Szadzik For This Useful Post:
lunatic59 (September 11th, 2010)
Old September 11th, 2010, 08:27 AM   #22 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
mrqs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Suomi Finland Perkele
Posts: 1,448
 
Device(s): htc sensation nokia n8 samsung galaxy (broken - waterdamage)
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 46
Thanked 92 Times in 78 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by roid and roid View Post
hmm, somehow the forum software ate my newline characters. Sorry that it's more difficult to read, but I don't know a workaround.
maybe the forum is getting back at you for posting in a 3 month old thead
mrqs is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old January 18th, 2011, 02:26 AM   #23 (permalink)
New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 4
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Default

- I don't want a goggle account whatsoever;
- the core functionality of an Android device IS NOT the cloud;
- the core functionality of an Android device IS all the 100K (or so) Android apps and what they have to offer;
- there are alternatives to Gmail, Gmaps, Gsearch, Gstreet, Gearth, Gwhatever. Some of them are worse, some of them are better (for people that never tried turn by turn GPS navigation, try one, please);
- if I want to use Google products on my device, then I don't mind having a Google account;
- why should I have a Google account just for being able to browse the internet through Opera, let's say ? Or download an app from the MarketPlace?

Although I find Android a well designed and enjoyable experience, I think it is massively spoiled by Google and its goals to store/index/cross-reference/get back to you with crappy ads.
One day you won't be able to start your car unless you wear red socks and blue suits. What's the big deal, you'll ask? Dunno. Let's think about it for a while.

roid&roid - your words should be marked for history - "I understand very well that someone would prefer not to have a google account. Any database as large as google's is going to be misused at some time."
realnig is offline  
Last edited by realnig; January 18th, 2011 at 02:38 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to realnig For This Useful Post:
dylo22 (February 16th, 2011)
Old January 18th, 2011, 09:14 AM   #24 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,354
 
Device(s): Motorola Droid
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 286 Times in 242 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by realnig View Post
- why should I have a Google account just for being able to browse the internet through Opera, let's say ? Or download an app from the MarketPlace?
Because a Google account is required for the Market. Next question?

Quote:
Originally Posted by realnig View Post
- the core functionality of an Android device IS NOT the cloud;
Don't have to use it if you don't want to but you still have to have a Google account.

Quote:
Originally Posted by realnig View Post
- there are alternatives to Gmail, Gmaps, Gsearch, Gstreet, Gearth, Gwhatever. Some of them are worse, some of them are better (for people that never tried turn by turn GPS navigation, try one, please);
You're not precluded from using them. How is Google Maps Nav not turn-by-turn? Can you clarify what you mean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by realnig View Post
Although I find Android a well designed and enjoyable experience, I think it is massively spoiled by Google and its goals to store/index/cross-reference/get back to you with crappy ads.
One day you won't be able to start your car unless you wear red socks and blue suits. What's the big deal, you'll ask? Dunno. Let's think about it for a while.
Ah yes, the old slippery slope argument... You might want to omit that bit if you want to be taken seriously.
takeshi is offline  
Last edited by takeshi; January 18th, 2011 at 09:17 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old January 18th, 2011, 10:56 AM   #25 (permalink)
Member
 
lennyjew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Dublin, Ohio
Posts: 369
 
Device(s): Droid Eris GSB 2.8
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 10
Thanked 39 Times in 36 Posts
Default

Quote:
In July 2005, Google acquired Android Inc., a small startup company based in Palo Alto, California, USA. Android's co-founders who went to work at Google included Andy Rubin (co-founder of Danger),Rich Miner (co-founder of Wildfire Communications, Inc.), Nick Sears (once VP at T-Mobile), and Chris White (headed design and interface development at WebTV).

At the time, little was known about the functions of Android, Inc. other than that they made software for mobile phones. This began rumors that Google was planning to enter the mobile phone market.
This would probably have something to do with why you need a Gmail account. Owning the company that designed the OS would give one that right. Seriously it took me all of five seconds to discover Google had deep ties to Android.

As for the G-Mail paranoia, there's a site called spokeo where you type a name it and it'll give out more info than you would think. I found myself in there and it had my address, info about my house, e-mail and social network accounts, pictures tied to those account, etc.

My point is, with or without a G-mail account, there's already a plethora of data about you on the internet already. Loans you've signed, credit cards you've taken out, essentially any time you hand over a piece of info or type something into a search engine it's logged and assigned your IP address if they don't already have your name. I'm not trying to add to the paranoia, but you know it happens and unless you become a complete shut in and shun technology your info is going out there. Deal with it (I mean that in the nicest way possible).
lennyjew is offline  
Last edited by lennyjew; January 18th, 2011 at 11:05 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old January 18th, 2011, 11:26 AM   #26 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 41
 
Device(s): Motorola Droid, droid x
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 2
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Default

I totally agree with someone's right not to want a google account. I also agree with a company's decision to require an account in order to use software and services they provide.


I just think there are much more important things to be concerned about. If you ever become that important, people will spend much more time and effort than google ever will to pry into your business.

The great thing is that there are other choices besides google software to run phones. I just don't know any that lets you use their software without registering.

You probably could hire someone to write software for you, or you could learn how to do it yourself. If the money and or all the time is worth it to you, that's an option. Or you can register your dog.
scotthanna is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old January 18th, 2011, 12:41 PM   #27 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
BookLover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 977
 
Device(s): Unrooted Samsung Captivate...and Proud of it!
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 58
Thanked 114 Times in 101 Posts
Default

I'm not that important. I think Google has better things to do with their time than delve into my personal life or my emails. My SMS, on the other hand, can sometimes be an interesting read

Anyway, in the whole scheme of things, any email service you sign up for, anything you use email for, anytime you order something online...Some company, somewhere is collecting that info in a database that can be breached.

Unless she lives off-grid, without cable, without electricity, without other utilities, she's in a database somewhere...and her info is probably less secure in those databases than in Google's...as Google expects to be hacked. The typical electric company probably doesn't think about that, and is less prepared for a hacking incident.

So unless the OP's gf has state or government secrets, she's not any more important to Google than anyone else posting on this forum and should relax. And unless she has NO friends or only has friends who all scorn twitter, facebook, myspace, linked in, then her privacy has been breached by them in some fashion.

Being paranoid about privacy in this day and age doesn't make one smart. It just makes one paranoid and self-important.

The only thing to do is to guard the privacy you can control...Don't share passwords or pins with ANYONE. Don't sign up for "free" stuff on websites. Shred mail or receipts that has your signature or account info. That will do more to protect your privacy from do-badders than worrying about your being the ONE person amongst the MILLIONS of Google Users that Google decides to focus on and whose privacy they choose to invade.
__________________
Must Reads: CapFAQ
Fav Apps: Evernote + Reqall * Folder Organizer * Smart Taskbar * Tasker + Minimalistic Text * Dropbox or Sugarsync for cloud storage
BookLover is offline  
Last edited by BookLover; January 19th, 2011 at 01:41 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to BookLover For This Useful Post:
brinky (January 19th, 2011), lennyjew (January 18th, 2011)
Old January 19th, 2011, 03:44 AM   #28 (permalink)
New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 4
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Default

Thanks for all the answers. In fact my concern is not about privacy. I know that nowadays you can't hide even in outer space. It's not about that. It's about being taken away the choice:
- why can't (couldn't) I remove IE from my PC ?
- why can't I use the marketplace with a yahoo mail?
- why can't I remove layar (and all the other stock apps that came with my phone) from my phone ? I don't need them, I won't use them. I cannot even remove at least their icons from my apps list.

I am bothered by anyone/anything trying to impose on myself even the slightest bit. That's my real rant. It's not about red socks, it's about CHOICE. It seems that the more free the world we live in, the less choice we have.
realnig is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to realnig For This Useful Post:
dylo22 (February 16th, 2011)
Old January 19th, 2011, 06:17 AM   #29 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
BookLover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 977
 
Device(s): Unrooted Samsung Captivate...and Proud of it!
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 58
Thanked 114 Times in 101 Posts
Default

You have a choice. Don't buy items that don't offer you the flexibility you want. Simple.

If you don't like the strings that come with purchasing an Android phone, don't buy an Android.

If you only like blondes, don't make dates with brunettes.

Keep in mind the companies who manufacture phones have choices, too. If Google owns Android why should they make a phone that's compatible for their competitors?
BookLover is offline  
Last edited by BookLover; January 19th, 2011 at 06:23 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to BookLover For This Useful Post:
brinky (January 19th, 2011)
Old January 19th, 2011, 07:21 AM   #30 (permalink)
Not Entitled
 
RichSz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Between Imladris and Lothlórien
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,088
 
Device(s): Nexus 5(u,r), N7.2-32(u,r), Nook Color, iPad2, Asus EEE Transformer w/ dock (stock)
Carrier: T-Mobile

Thanks: 1,639
Thanked 1,318 Times in 558 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by realnig View Post
Thanks for all the answers. In fact my concern is not about privacy. I know that nowadays you can't hide even in outer space. It's not about that. It's about being taken away the choice:
- why can't (couldn't) I remove IE from my PC ?
- why can't I use the marketplace with a yahoo mail?
- why can't I remove layar (and all the other stock apps that came with my phone) from my phone ? I don't need them, I won't use them. I cannot even remove at least their icons from my apps list.

I am bothered by anyone/anything trying to impose on myself even the slightest bit. That's my real rant. It's not about red socks, it's about CHOICE. It seems that the more free the world we live in, the less choice we have.
I completely agree with the core of your issue. I don't want to be forced down a path either. If I own something, I should be allowed to do with it what I want and how I want it. Any limitations are constant reminders of our lack of freedom artificially imposed by a suit somewhere. That bugs the hell out of me.

However, the fact of the matter is while some are avoidable other limitations simply aren't. You CAN use an Android phone without a Google account but it will be a very limited experience. Same with an Apple device without iTunes. Unfortunately there are a few things imposed on us which don't make sense to be circumvented or can't be altogether and we've got to deal with it as best we can.
__________________
Rich


Apple tells people what they want, Microsoft asks what people want, Google gives people what they want (for 15 minutes).


Site Rules, for your convenience
RichSz is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to RichSz For This Useful Post:
dylo22 (February 16th, 2011)
sponsored links
Old January 19th, 2011, 07:35 AM   #31 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Szadzik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,413
 
Device(s): Galaxy S4 Galaxy Note 10.1 Nexus 7 2013 LTE
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 209
Thanked 729 Times in 616 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by realnig View Post
- why can't I use the marketplace with a yahoo mail?
-
Why can't I sign to Amazon.com with my Yahoo mail? Why? Because these are two different companies/ websites and there is no way Amazon will pul information from your Yahoo account and for the same reason you cannot use an external account with Android.
Szadzik is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old January 19th, 2011, 07:43 AM   #32 (permalink)
Member
 
lennyjew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Dublin, Ohio
Posts: 369
 
Device(s): Droid Eris GSB 2.8
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 10
Thanked 39 Times in 36 Posts
Default

You can get rid of them if you root. Rooting/jailbreaking/hacking, whatever you want to call it, is the only way to get rid of most of the stock apps. Some are so interlaced with other functions that when you remove them they break other apps. I think every smart phone out there has stock apps that you can't remove (unless rooted).

If you just want to hide them use something like Launcher Pro to hide them in your app drawer.

I don't get why you're ok with yahoo, but don't want to sign up for g-mail. I want to log into Xbox live with my PS3 account. Sounds crazy doesn't it? But that's about what you're asking wanting to sign in through a competing service. I mean come on, listen to what you're asking here.
lennyjew is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old January 19th, 2011, 07:56 AM   #33 (permalink)
AF Contributor
 
LaTuFu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,123
 
Device(s): Samsung Galaxy S4, Motorola Electrify 2, Samsung Galaxy S II, Samsung Galaxy S Mesmerize, Galaxy 10.
Carrier: US Cellular

Thanks: 82
Thanked 219 Times in 191 Posts
Send a message via Skype™ to LaTuFu LaTuFu
Default

I sure hope she's this fanatical about (not) using a Facebook account.

If you're concerned about Chinese hackers, ID theft, nefarious big corporate data mining schemes, or bridge trolls eating children in the cloud, don't get a smartphone with a data connection. Don't sign up for any online services.

If you have ever signed up for any net service, you have left a digital fingerprint.

For all you know, Google is like the Mormon church silently gathering family tree data for hundreds of years. They probably have all the data you left on your old AOL account.
LaTuFu is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old January 19th, 2011, 08:14 AM   #34 (permalink)
Member
 
lunameow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Posts: 122
 
Device(s): Motorola Atrix 4G
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 39
Thanked 40 Times in 16 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by realnig View Post
Thanks for all the answers. In fact my concern is not about privacy. I know that nowadays you can't hide even in outer space. It's not about that. It's about being taken away the choice:
- why can't (couldn't) I remove IE from my PC ?
- why can't I use the marketplace with a yahoo mail?
- why can't I remove layar (and all the other stock apps that came with my phone) from my phone ? I don't need them, I won't use them. I cannot even remove at least their icons from my apps list.

I am bothered by anyone/anything trying to impose on myself even the slightest bit. That's my real rant. It's not about red socks, it's about CHOICE. It seems that the more free the world we live in, the less choice we have.
Others have already answered the questions you raise multiple times... but here's an example that might help.

You wanted to post on this forum. You had to register to do that.

Google wants you to do the same thing to use things like the Market.

And really, I'm not aware of any major download site that doesn't require you to register first. This is pretty much the same thing.
lunameow is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old January 19th, 2011, 01:33 PM   #35 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 826
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 19
Thanked 50 Times in 48 Posts
Default

Android is basically a google service, so...get her a BB/winmo phone, or suck it up and get a google account. On a side note is this just an irrational fear of google and she thinks no one else under any circumstances will give out her info? Sounds like something to let go of.
MyNamesTooLong is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old January 24th, 2011, 03:29 PM   #36 (permalink)
New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 5
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Question

I think I may be missing the point - can someone help?

I dont have an issue using a Google account - after all you can use an existing (non-google) email address to do this.

BUT - it seems that for some purposes - like latitude and maps? Android INSISTS that it must be a google account that has gmail - so that has to be an @gmail.com based one.

(In addition I'm a little confused about the whole 'sync' element of the google account as well, but I'll worry about that later)

Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?
biscuits99 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old January 24th, 2011, 05:03 PM   #37 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: SoCal
Posts: 972
 
Device(s): Droid X2
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 64
Thanked 93 Times in 83 Posts
Send a message via ICQ to AngryHatter
Default

I'm going to use any ammo I want in my .357.
So what if S&W specified that the weapon will only work properly when I use .357 mag loads?
I wanna use .22 LR.

It is a specious argument that has been well countered.
If you want a .22 buy one. You bought a Google based phone.
AngryHatter is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old January 24th, 2011, 05:14 PM   #38 (permalink)
New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 5
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AngryHatter View Post
I'm going to use any ammo I want in my .357.
So what if S&W specified that the weapon will only work properly when I use .357 mag loads?
I wanna use .22 LR.

It is a specious argument that has been well countered.
If you want a .22 buy one. You bought a Google based phone.
I must have missed the small print - I don't remember it saying anywhere on the phone contract that features would be limited without a gmail account. I could understand a google account being required - but gmail? I can only assume it's to boost googles subscriber base. Fair enough - it's their OS, just seems a bit blatant. At least apple allow you to use your own email address.

I do like the look of the nexus s, but this is making me think I'll stick with my iOS at the moment.

Again, I may well have missed the point here, and if I have I apologise.
biscuits99 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old January 24th, 2011, 05:30 PM   #39 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: SoCal
Posts: 972
 
Device(s): Droid X2
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 64
Thanked 93 Times in 83 Posts
Send a message via ICQ to AngryHatter
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by biscuits99 View Post
I must have missed the small print - I don't remember it saying anywhere on the phone contract that features would be limited without a gmail account. I could understand a google account being required - but gmail? I can only assume it's to boost googles subscriber base. Fair enough - it's their OS, just seems a bit blatant. At least apple allow you to use your own email address.

I do like the look of the nexus s, but this is making me think I'll stick with my iOS at the moment.

Again, I may well have missed the point here, and if I have I apologise.
If you buy a windows phone or computer you have to authenticate the OS install with Microsoft. And they collect data based on the scan performed.
Every OS dev will explicitly tie the product to their OS & products.

You can use a droid without Google just as you can use Windows without having a real install - but it's a kludge.
Don't buy an expensive phone based on looks, but rather because you like the functions it provides. And that means using it as intended.
AngryHatter is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old January 24th, 2011, 10:25 PM   #40 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Szadzik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,413
 
Device(s): Galaxy S4 Galaxy Note 10.1 Nexus 7 2013 LTE
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 209
Thanked 729 Times in 616 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by biscuits99 View Post
I must have missed the small print - I don't remember it saying anywhere on the phone contract that features would be limited without a gmail account. I could understand a google account being required - but gmail? I can only assume it's to boost googles subscriber base. Fair enough - it's their OS, just seems a bit blatant. At least apple allow you to use your own email address.

I do like the look of the nexus s, but this is making me think I'll stick with my iOS at the moment.

Again, I may well have missed the point here, and if I have I apologise.
I would not want to sound rude, but if you did not check what Android phone requires before buying one you might have done a stupid thing. Make sure that you always research a phone before buying it.
Szadzik is offline  
Reply With Quote
sponsored links
Old January 25th, 2011, 08:13 AM   #41 (permalink)
New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 5
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Szadzik View Post
I would not want to sound rude, but if you did not check what Android phone requires before buying one you might have done a stupid thing. Make sure that you always research a phone before buying it.
I havent bought an android phone - I'm trying to sort this for someone else. I have a 3GS iPhone - which is fine for me even if it is a bit dated.

The issue isnt one of ownership in terms of Google/Android - its logic - I think!

What is the logical requirement for some apps (Marketplace and latitude?) needing a gmail Google account as opposed to a non gmail Google Account?

Fair enough if it requires it - but how does this benefit Google? Is it they purely want to boost their gmail users as opposed to purely Google account users?
biscuits99 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2011, 03:34 PM   #42 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
BookLover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 977
 
Device(s): Unrooted Samsung Captivate...and Proud of it!
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 58
Thanked 114 Times in 101 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by biscuits99 View Post
I havent bought an android phone - I'm trying to sort this for someone else. I have a 3GS iPhone - which is fine for me even if it is a bit dated.

The issue isnt one of ownership in terms of Google/Android - its logic - I think!

What is the logical requirement for some apps (Marketplace and latitude?) needing a gmail Google account as opposed to a non gmail Google Account?

Fair enough if it requires it - but how does this benefit Google? Is it they purely want to boost their gmail users as opposed to purely Google account users?
The logic is this...

Google owns Android. They want the two items to have a symbiotic relationship.

I'm sure if Google owned hotmail, or aol, or Yahoo, they would have made the Android compatible with any of those.

Of all the email services I have used, Google by far has the best spam filter and the best web-mail application (I love nested emails). When my hotmail and gmail accounts were hacked, Google's restore service took less than 5 hours while I had to spend 3-4 days to get Microsoft to give me back my account.

So if I'm already using Google's many services, it never bothered me to sign up for Android, which actually made my life easier.

Instead of being indignant that Google is requiring you to sign up for a Google account, you should be indignant that Yahoo or AIM haven't purchased their own phone platform, imho...

Seriously, why are people so hung up with signing up for a google account to get Android? If you hate Google or have philosophical reservations about Google, DON'T get an Android. If you want an Android, stop hating on or asking why Google makes a google account a requirement to own an Android.

Google owns Android. They want Android users to register for a google account to fully utilize all of Android's benefits. That's within Google's rights. It's their phone. If you don't like the "cost", don't buy!

Have you ever tried Gmail? It's great! Have you tried Google Voice? It's great! (Calendar, not so great, but, hey, you can't win them all!)
BookLover is offline  
Last edited by BookLover; January 25th, 2011 at 03:37 PM.
Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2011, 04:11 PM   #43 (permalink)
New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 5
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BookLover View Post
The logic is this...

Google owns Android. They want the two items to have a symbiotic relationship.

I'm sure if Google owned hotmail, or aol, or Yahoo, they would have made the Android compatible with any of those.

Of all the email services I have used, Google by far has the best spam filter and the best web-mail application (I love nested emails). When my hotmail and gmail accounts were hacked, Google's restore service took less than 5 hours while I had to spend 3-4 days to get Microsoft to give me back my account.

So if I'm already using Google's many services, it never bothered me to sign up for Android, which actually made my life easier.

Instead of being indignant that Google is requiring you to sign up for a Google account, you should be indignant that Yahoo or AIM haven't purchased their own phone platform, imho...

Seriously, why are people so hung up with signing up for a google account to get Android? If you hate Google or have philosophical reservations about Google, DON'T get an Android. If you want an Android, stop hating on or asking why Google makes a google account a requirement to own an Android.

Google owns Android. They want Android users to register for a google account to fully utilize all of Android's benefits. That's within Google's rights. It's their phone. If you don't like the "cost", don't buy!

Have you ever tried Gmail? It's great! Have you tried Google Voice? It's great! (Calendar, not so great, but, hey, you can't win them all!)
I havent said I think its a problem that I need a Google account for a Google phone. I cant see how you could use Google services without a Google account.

I like Google, I like Android, I like Google Accounts. I want them all!

I dont understand the requirement for a Google gmail account. Presumably its purely to boost the gmail subscribers - or is there another reason?

Also: I have tried gmail, I like it but prefer my domain based email address - as far as I can see, assigning another email address when I already have one confuses matters?

Seems daft, but I guess the way to make sure I'm not missing relevant android based emails going to this gmail account I dont need for anything else whatsoever is to set all emails to auto forward to my email account?
biscuits99 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2011, 05:52 PM   #44 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Pepe7698's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 86
 
Device(s): AT&T Galaxy S2
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 26
Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts
Default

I can understand why you would not want an extra email address. I just use my required gmail account for things related to the phone, nothing more. It works out well, for me at least.
Pepe7698 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old February 14th, 2011, 03:22 PM   #45 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 209
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 30
Thanked 13 Times in 6 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lennyjew View Post
As for the G-Mail paranoia, there's a site called spokeo where you type a name it and it'll give out more info than you would think. I found myself in there and it had my address, info about my house, e-mail and social network accounts, pictures tied to those account, etc.
It is funny, because I can go to that site and type in my name and it doesn't have any info on me. There are some people with the same name as me, but none of the data is even close to my info so I assume these are either different people, or the data mining efforts are bad. I don't think I'm overly paranoid, but I limit the information I give out needlessly. I'm sure anyone with some time could track me down and find out all sorts of things about me...but I try to at least ensure that it requires a bit of effort. Even the credit agencies seem to have bad info on me...I had to check my credit score sometime back and it came back with a very high score...but almost all the information they were basing it on didn't seem accurate, they said I had more credit cards than I have ever had, had a really crazy amount of credit available to me, etc... I figure no point in me correcting them though.
dylane is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old February 16th, 2011, 01:35 AM   #46 (permalink)
New Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 1
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

The odds of my giving my contacts, calendar, ... to Google are zero. The answer is dead simple, Missing Sync.
randyqx is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old February 16th, 2011, 01:51 AM   #47 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: SoCal
Posts: 972
 
Device(s): Droid X2
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 64
Thanked 93 Times in 83 Posts
Send a message via ICQ to AngryHatter
Default

$40?
Not happening.
I remember when other sites wouldn't accept a @hotmail.com as a "real" email address.

Technology is changing i.e. CR 48.
In a few years none of "your" information will be stored locally. Your computer won't have a hard drive - just a small flash/sd like the phone does - portability is king.
AngryHatter is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old February 16th, 2011, 10:16 AM   #48 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 232
 
Device(s): Samsung Galaxy S3 (Unrooted), HTC Desire (Cyanogenmod 7), Orange San Francisco (Swedish Spring ROM),
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 14
Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by biscuits99 View Post
What is the logical requirement for some apps (Marketplace and latitude?) needing a gmail Google account as opposed to a non gmail Google Account?

Fair enough if it requires it - but how does this benefit Google? Is it they purely want to boost their gmail users as opposed to purely Google account users?
There probably isn't a logical requirment....it could have been done differently if Google chose to. Just like there's no logicial requirement to have to use iTunes for iPhone users...but Apple chose to do it that way.
BurnCK is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old February 16th, 2011, 12:59 PM   #49 (permalink)
New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 8
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

@randyqx

Thanks for the link to the Missing Sync program. I will try it out and see if it is better than what I have. I have had my first Android phone for a couple of weeks now and have been using MyPhoneExplorer so far to avoid using GMail and the cloud thingy.

@BurnCK

There is a very logical reason why Google is trying to force GMail down the throat of every Android user. The answer is money and lots of it. By forcing you to create a Gmail account, Google is hoping that you may want to use it so they can data mine it and earn higher ad revenues from more targeted ads. Good for Google, good for advertisers, but you don't get anything out of it.

You might say that with GMail you get an email account that you can reach almost wherever you are, but 'WebMail' is supported by most ISP email servers and will let you do the same, so, personally, I don't see that they offer me anything of value. And, thanks to the versatility of Android with WiFi/3G I can be even more connected to my mail server without needing GMail.

I have a business background and in all my dealings with customers, distributors, agents, suppliers etc. I have always focused on reciprocity, because creating a win-win situation is simply good business. If you have reciprocity at one end of the scale, then you have scams at the other end - one party runs with all the value. The offer Google has served me with GMail is almost one-sided to their profit, so I don't see why I should provide them a lot of value to make them rich without getting anything in return.

Don't be mistaken. Google is not doing anything for you as charity; it is hardcore business. There is no such thing as a free lunch!
NoImagination is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old March 20th, 2011, 01:06 PM   #50 (permalink)
411
New Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

It is nice to see so many of you rolling over at the google alter. You must all have received your phones and service for free.

I actually paid for the phone and pay monthly for the phone service. Seeing as I am the one paying I should be able to use my phone as I darn well please. Shelling out hard earned dollars and being forced to use google is complete bs.

How many of you have sold a car yet still get to tell the new owner where to drive it??? this is exactly what google is doing to you, I used my droid2 for exactly 2 days before I figured out that it is completely useless without google. This is nothing to do with paranoia and everything to do being told how to use the items you have spent your money on.

My phone is already turned off and the data plan is canceled, I vote with my money so no problems there.

This malarky about "oh google owns the program so they get to tell you how to use it" is a joke, they are forcing you to use it their way so they can make more money off your information. Just like facebook, good to see a few guys becoming billionaires because people are supplying so much free information about their personal lives.

When google (and apple for that matter) start supplying phones and service for free then they can have complete control over content and usability, until then the guy writing the checks gets to choose.
kbbru likes this.
411 is offline  
Last edited by 411; March 20th, 2011 at 01:24 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Go Back   Android Forums > Android Discussion > Android Applications
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:37 AM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.