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Unfortunately, when people give their valuations of Password Managers I don't know if they are looking for the same things I am looking for.
I'm looking for (in no particular order):
A. Has auto-exit or similar - if I give my phone to someone and have forgotten to close the password manager, they can't read my passwords.
B. Allows multiple files - I work for other people and I want to keep their passwords seperate from mine and each others
C. Allows me to put records in folders and sub-folders so that I can navigate quickly to the record I am looking for - categories and searches are only OK alternatives
D. Imports and Exports CSV files so that I can be confident that I can get my data to a new program sometime in the future or get my old data into it even if it takes a bit of effort
E. Allows me to copy records to act as templates for a new record
F. Allows me to use copy and paste to transfer data to another record or another program
G. Has a reasonably large notes field
H. Doesn't require network access - How do we know that the programmer isn't getting a list of my passwords?
Other people seem to be interested in:
I. Can Sync with my desktop - I and H together might be infeasible?
J. Enters directly into a browser
K. Is free
L. Has good support
I have been using Keylord on a Mobile Windows 5 phone. If I use 0 for bad, 1 for sort of good and 2 for good, its rating is:
A0B2C2D0E0F0G1H2I?J0K1L1
Does anyone know of something that that is near A2B2C1D2E2F2G1H2 or better for the Android?
Looks a good option except for the klanger of the single file (B0). It is important for me to be able to give someone their passwords without it being mixed up with other people's and editing other people's out is a dangerous option.
I am using the encrypt facility of Note Everything until I can settle on an appropriate program. Note Everything isn't a password manager. I had it for it's other abilities. I keep an encrypted note for each client/purpose and put each field on a different line with a bit of indentation to make it easier to read.
The summary so far is:
A (Auto-exit), B (Multiple Files), C (Folders), D (CSV I & E), E (Copy Records), F (Copy Fields), G (Notes), H (No Network), I (Sync), J (Browser), K (Free), L (Support)
A2B0C1D2E0F1G2H2I1J0K2L1 - secrets-for-android
A0B2C1D2E2F2G2H1I2J0K1L? - Encrypt facility in Note Everything
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Garry
Last edited by Garry; February 7th, 2010 at 12:25 AM.
Reason: Small error in Note Everything evaluation
First of all I probably will never use on my mobile phone, I'm not quite convinced I should be using the phone for paying bills, logging into bank accounts, etc.
Another reason is I use a combination of dropbox -> truecrypt -> keepass which can't be done on the phone yet as far as I can tell.
Lastly, KeePass is my favorite on Windows and Linux, it has the ability to autofill, and you can sort of script it if the site you are using has two different pages for username and password.
KeePass also allows multiple accounts, multiple folder types, and a timeout feature that you can set. So far I haven't any free app that's better.
I think there are two different ways of thinking about password managers. There are many, and they seem to be the majority, that use them as an easy way to login to lots of web sites. For these people it is important that the manager syncs well because the passwords need to be on all the devices they may access the site from.
I use a password manager to store anything that is secret that I am likely to forget. eg combination locks, codes to identify me on the phone (eg phone banking), computer logins for different computers and different people I help, WEP passwords, domain keys, my wife's age and website logins. For this use I need it on something that is always with me and the only option is my phone.
These two options aren't mutually exclusive of course.
keePass looks like a good option. I will evaluate it for Android soon (Thanks to Brian Pellin for doing the port) and add it to the summary.
I think there are two different ways of thinking about password managers. There are many, and they seem to be the majority, that use them as an easy way to login to lots of web sites. For these people it is important that the manager syncs well because the passwords need to be on all the devices they may access the site from.
I use a password manager to store anything that is secret that I am likely to forget. eg combination locks, codes to identify me on the phone (eg phone banking), computer logins for different computers and different people I help, WEP passwords, domain keys, my wife's age and website logins. For this use I need it on something that is always with me and the only option is my phone.
These two options aren't mutually exclusive of course.
keePass looks like a good option. I will evaluate it for Android soon (Thanks to Brian Pellin for doing the port) and add it to the summary.
All the best
Garry
Good point. I pretty much only use KeePass for logging into my financial institutions as security is of utmost importance, and I only do this from my laptop or desktop. I've never considered having any complicated passwords for other sites.
hi i still have a question about keepass operation. this app stores the username and pw. when using it how do you get this information into the user and pw fields? with my roboform pass word program, once you click on the desired site the fields are filled automatically and you are logged in with no other keystrokes. robo form does not have an android version.
hi i still have a question about keepass operation. this app stores the username and pw. when using it how do you get this information into the user and pw fields? with my roboform pass word program, once you click on the desired site the fields are filled automatically and you are logged in with no other keystrokes. robo form does not have an android version.
As far as I see it, the Android-app version of KeePass does not (yet) have this feature. Only the desktop-version of KeePass ca do this.
Do any of these allow you to import a file (from Ascendo Datavault that I used on my Blackberry) from PC to the Droid Eris? I really, REALLY dont' want to retype everything...thanks!
Is there any way to automatically sync KeePass with your desktop version? Copying the database file gets tedious if you edit it a lot. Or is there a keeper that has auto-sync for FREE?
I'm trying Keepass for the first time, and in general, I like it. However, is there a way to get the passwords to display when you access your database? They show up as asterisks, and I know you can copy/paste them, but for the relatively frequent occasions when I need the password for a standalone machine, I just want to look at it and type it in on my other machine, without have to copy/paste it in a notepad first.
just read about this...and supposedly it will support the KeePass file?
I've always used KeePass on my desktop. I loaded it on my Eris and it couldn't find the file on the SD card....then I went to 2,1 and it was taken off. Maybe it's time to try again? I'd love to have my passwords on my phone again.
I'm trying Keepass for the first time, and in general, I like it. However, is there a way to get the passwords to display when you access your database? They show up as asterisks, and I know you can copy/paste them, but for the relatively frequent occasions when I need the password for a standalone machine, I just want to look at it and type it in on my other machine, without have to copy/paste it in a notepad first.
Hi Trackstar
On the advice of this thread I have downloaded Keepass and am very happy with it. Still playing though.
I have a droid and to see passwords I hit the menu key and choose show password. I also found an option in the settings menu such that the passwords are always visible. I didn't find it, though, until I upgraded Keepass last weekend.
On the advice of this thread I have downloaded Keepass and am very happy with it. Still playing though.
I have a droid and to see passwords I hit the menu key and choose show password. I also found an option in the settings menu such that the passwords are always visible. I didn't find it, though, until I upgraded Keepass last weekend.
Yeah, apparently you can change settings within the app, so I fixed it that way. Still learning.
Just asked Roboform support whether they had any plans to port Roboform to Droid. Answer: " Currently the Droid is not yet supported. It is currently being tested. No ETA"
So it looks like we'll get Roboform eventually. Excellent!
They sent me a tweet regarding the new app. It seems that it is only for Roboform Online accounts. I don't think you can directly sync data from PC based Roboform.
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They sent me a tweet regarding the new app. It seems that it is only for Roboform Online accounts. I don't think you can directly sync data from PC based Roboform.
Actually, if you synch data on your pc accounts, you get the data on your Android account. So if you set up synch on your pc, the data is there. The way the app works on android is strange and unnatural, it is like a bookmark. Try it.
I also used SplashID for years on my Treo's. I bought the Android version for my Droid but after hours of trying to get it to sync I'm still stuck. I switched to keepass.
I have used Splash ID for iPod Touch, and now for the Droid. I have never had any problems syncing, and the desktop software works equally as well as the one for iPod/iPhone. It is a bit expensive, but it is worth the money.
I have used Splash ID for iPod Touch, and now for the Droid.
But you did notice that the Android version is a lot older then then the iPhone version Version 4.6.1 vs 5.2.
Might be Ok for you as an existing customer but I don't think it is acceptable. I try Keeper instead, which was updated this very morning, and be back when I know more.
I agree with you about the differences between versions
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But you did notice that the Android version is a lot older then then the iPhone version Version 4.6.1 vs 5.2.
Might be Ok for you as an existing customer but I don't think it is acceptable. I try Keeper instead, which was updated this very morning, and be back when I know more.
The Splash ID desktop software as well as the software I had on my iPod touch were superior to the Android software. I stuck with it because it was easy for me to copy the data into the Android application. I noticed that most of the the applications I have tried that had iPhone counterparts were inferior. Hopefully some of these android developers get it in gear and start producing applications that are on par with the competition.
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i recommend keepass.
keep in mind that if you are not into the idea of manually syncing your password database file, you can use dropbox in conjunction with sugarsync to auto-sync.
sugarsync does essentially the same thing as dropbox but unlike dropbox, it already has an android app. actually sugarsync has some capabilities that dropbox doesn't, like you can sync any folder(s), not just one. i still prefer dropbox for it's simplicity, so i just use sugarsync to sync my dropbox folder to my phone. the two work together seamlessly.
just place your password db file in your sugarsync/dropbox folder and boom! auto-sync with phone.
EDIT: dropbox app now available in market. EDIT: on jan 1, 2011, sugarsync will take back any referral bonus space you get. i suggest using dropbox unless you really need sugarsync's added functionality.
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Last edited by oceanlight; May 7th, 2010 at 04:44 PM.
I stuck with it because it was easy for me to copy the data into the Android application.
I guessed that much. I have a larger Vim-Script session in front of me to get the HandySave export into something Keeper will import.
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I noticed that most of the the applications I have tried that had iPhone counterparts were inferior. Hopefully some of these android developers get it in gear and start producing applications that are on par with the competition.
keep in mind that if you are not into the idea of manually syncing your password database file, you can use dropbox in conjunction with sugarsync to auto-sync.
Automaticly coping the database is not sync. They are not the same and copy is in no way a viable replacement.
Sync works on record level not file level. That is: If I add a new password on the desktop and another one on the phone after sync I have them both on both devices.
Mind you, I already noticed that Callpod Keeper does not properly Sync delete operations . Which is a bit of a let down. To bad that one can not test sync with the demo version.
I use keepass on PC and the Android app. I sync the keepass database with dropbox and if I need to access the database on my phone I go to http://www.dropbox.com/m (the mobile site) and download the file to my phone. If I make any changes to the database on my mobile I can't sync back the other way until the dropbox android app is released (hopefully very soon).
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Originally Posted by ih77
I use keepass on PC and the Android app. I sync the keepass database with dropbox and if I need to access the database on my phone I go to http://www.dropbox.com/m (the mobile site) and download the file to my phone. If I make any changes to the database on my mobile I can't sync back the other way until the dropbox android app is released (hopefully very soon).
sugarsync + dropbox solves your problem until dropbox releases their own android app.
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Originally Posted by krischik
Automaticly coping the database is not sync. They are not the same and copy is in no way a viable replacement.
automatically copying the database IS sync if it does it automatically everytime you make a change. which is what this does. if you try dropbox or sugarsync (or both), you'll see what i mean.
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Originally Posted by krischik
Sync works on record level not file level. That is: If I add a new password on the desktop and another one on the phone after sync I have them both on both devices.
that's exactly what happens.
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edit: maybe i'm misunderstanding you or something. here's what i'm saying...
1.) install dropbox on desktop
2.) install sugarsync on desktop
3.) select your dropbox folder as a sugarsync folder
4.) place keepass kdb file in it
5.) on desktop, point keepass app to that file
6.) on phone, install sugarsync app (and keepass app obviously)
7.) when you make a change to the kdb file on your desktop, it will automatically sync to your phone.
8.) likewise, when you make a change to the kdb file on your phone, it will automatically sync to your desktop.
of course you can sync over multiple computers, you don't have to sync your entire dropbox folder, etc. but i'm just explaining the process. and for those who aren't loyal to dropbox, you can skip that part altogether and just use sugarsync alone.
as far as working on the record vs file level, not sure what difference that makes. the end result is the same. and the experience for the user is the same. i suppose if you have the same kdb file open on multiple devices at the same time, there would probably be issues because the second session would essentially be read-only. but why would that ever happen?
EDIT: dropbox app now available in market. EDIT: on jan 1, 2011, sugarsync will take back any referral bonus space you get. i suggest using dropbox unless you really need sugarsync's added functionality.
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I have been using splashid for years w/palm ..now I can not get splash to sync w/ android ..splash help says the ip should be 198 ..mine is not ..any suggestions?
I have been using splashid for years w/palm ..now I can not get splash to sync w/ android ..splash help says the ip should be 198 ..mine is not ..any suggestions?
Lets start with: which operating system are you using on the desktop side? I know there is a 90% that's it is windows - still I like to be sure before giving instructions.
Then: which IP should be in the 198.169.0.x range - desktop, phone or both?
Note that in most setups the IP numbers are organized by the router.
Ah ..it is windows xp and also win7 ..
The startup window on the desktop shows / asks for an Ip ..in fact you can chnge it on the desk top window an then sync from the droid
thanks for your intrest
b-folders just came out with the windows version, it syncs to the android and works very very nicely. i have been waiting for the eWallet for android but i gave up. i actually like b-folders better now.
b-folders just came out with the windows version, it syncs to the android and works very very nicely. i have been waiting for the eWallet for android but i gave up. i actually like b-folders better now.
Looks good - but only MS-Windows sync . The two competitors with sync also cost just under $30 but have Linux and Mac OS X desktop applications and at least iPhone and Blackberry mobile applications as well.
Actually, if you synch data on your pc accounts, you get the data on your Android account. So if you set up synch on your pc, the data is there. The way the app works on android is strange and unnatural, it is like a bookmark. Try it.
I wanted to clear up this RoboForm info.
Been using RoboForm on PC for 2 years and it works great. They use a Sync program called Good Sync which is part of RoboForm and keeps all devices in sync by online server.
Your login / PW list is a bookmark type list. This list can show on browser or where ever you prefer. (ie,toolbar)You can select a website from RoboForm menu, it opens browser and logs you on to site all from 1 click. Why would anyone want to open browser, click on bookmark in browser, then use PW safe to enter info. to login ? Open RoboForm and enter PW, then select any previous site from it's list and RoboForm does the rest for you. You can do something else while all this is happening vs doing it yourself.
If you are surfing the internet and stumble up on a site you have already registered, roboform has a pop up window that shows your bookmark. You can choose to use your PW info. that is saved to log you on vs entering or pulling up PW safe yourself to use it. It's already there when it noticed you where at the site.
When you login to a new site, roboform offers to save all your info. in safe. That is when the bookmark is created under site name or what ever you would like to name it.
RoboForm will offer to fill forms which is one big reason I got it. When you go to a website and have to register and create a PW, etc. I can just tell RoboForm to do it and I'm done in a few clicks. Info is saved and I'm registered. Done deal, I can get on with my life and 6 mo. from now when I return to that website all my info. is there.
If my device crashes, all my info. is saved on Goodsync / other devices and will sync next time I login to roboform.
I don't know how it could be any easier...
PS: It was not FREE when I started using it but was worth the money vs FREE PW safes I tried. Guess the old you get what you pay for saying is true some times.
keep in mind that if you are not into the idea of manually syncing your password database file, you can use dropbox in conjunction with sugarsync to auto-sync.
sugarsync does essentially the same thing as dropbox but unlike dropbox, it already has an android app. actually sugarsync has some capabilities that dropbox doesn't, like you can sync any folder(s), not just one. i still prefer dropbox for it's simplicity, so i just use sugarsync to sync my dropbox folder to my phone. the two work together seamlessly.
just place your password db file in your sugarsync/dropbox folder and boom! auto-sync with phone.
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Very much appreciated for advice and working perfect now. Only thing is still no idea why we need both.
Edit: oh got it....only for loyal Dropbox follower
just downloaded the beta version of dropbox from the market place, also downloaded keepass for pc & android - trying them out now as a replacement for ascendo's datavault which i had on my old bb - hopefully the sync works!
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I use Passpack on the PC and have done for the last couple of years and been pretty happy with it. Now although there isn't an app to use it on Android yet, you can just access it the normal way via the browser which does work ok on my Desire with the standard Android browser.
On my Palm T|X I've been using DataViz Passwords Plus. No Android version yet though. I don't have an Android phone yet - a password & "other account stuff" safe is one of my requirements. My T-Mobile contract is up soon.
I want to try B Folders so I went to B-Folders for Android and downloaded a free version. It was saved as a zip file and I unzipped it. What do I do next to install it on my Eris? Can I email the files to myself and save them to my card or do I connect to my computer and save to the SD card? I doesn't seem to have a desktop version in the files I downloaded.
I've downloaded KeePass onto my computer, and also the app on my Droid. I've also downloaded DropBox onto my computer and the app on my Droid. Please tell this grandma who is still learning what to do next. Thanks!
On my Palm I used Pasword Plus and contacted them about an android version. They don't have any plans on doing an android version.
I've been using Passwords Plus for many many years on Palm and that's a shame because none of the ones I've seen mentioned here appear to have the flexibility or customization options available in Passwords Plus.
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I've downloaded KeePass onto my computer, and also the app on my Droid. I've also downloaded DropBox onto my computer and the app on my Droid. Please tell this grandma who is still learning what to do next. Thanks!
I have been using KeePassX on my Ubuntu workstation for years. I am not thrilled that dropbox won't keep my password database sync'd automatically. I am considering moving to LastPass because of the ease of use. I would even pay for it. What good is having the password DB on a phone if it won't launch the website and log me in...typing complex passwords on a smart phone is annoying.
not a diss to keepass, they have a great product. I just realized I need more features at this time.
+1 for SplashID
Having it on the main Computer and on the Droid with easy sync is very important to me.
Had been using it for 6+ month on the G1 before - no issues...
Do you have a Windows or MacOS version of the desktop part?
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No problems with Splash ID
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. Which is a bit of a let down. To bad that one can not test sync with the demo version.
I need more informations.
. The two competitors with sync also cost just under $30 but have Linux and Mac OS X desktop applications and at least iPhone and Blackberry mobile applications as well.
