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Old October 8th, 2010, 12:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi everyone,

I'm the developer for Android Live Scores. I wanted to introduce myself and create a thread where everyone could give feedback (good or bad). I welcome all criticism and am very open to suggestions.

Thank you everyone for your suggestions, I appreciate all future input. I will continue to update the top post with Live Scores release updates.

We released Live Scores 2.0.0 Aug, 31, 2011 which includes:

Rebranded as Yahoo! Sportacular from Live Scores.
Facebook Connect allows you to post check-ins and game-picks on your FB wall.
Share Game Scores from the games page.
New scores navigation
Native Game Plays
LPGA, PGA Champions, PGA Nationwide, PGA Euro
Mens Tennis, Womens Tennis
Map on Game Picks
New Titlebar with Sport selector
Removed NFL Draft
Restyling
Bug fixes

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We released Live Scores 1.6.0 June, 15, 2011 which includes:

Favorites Page
Trending Teams Page
Team Pages
Bug Fixes

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We released Live Scores 1.5.3 Mar 29, 2011 which includes:

More restyling
Stats for all
Starting 5 for NBA
Rich Media Ad support - we'll be rolling this out over time. They wont take up more space, just a little more entertaining and better styled.

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We released Live Scores 1.5.2 Mar 09, 2011 which includes:

Restyling of game-details for most sports.
Minor bug fixes.

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We released Live Scores 1.5.1 Feb 10, 2011 which includes:

NASCAR Leaderboard, Standings and Schedule pages.
NASCAR Widget.
Minor bug fixes.
More NASCAR updates coming before Daytona 500 (Feb 20).

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We released Live Scores 1.5.0 Feb 7, 2011 which includes:
PGA Support
Styling changes to the scores view.
Widget updates
Some small bug fixes.

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We released Live Scores 1.4.7 Dec 16, 2010 which includes:

WIDGET
Plus styling changes - most significantly around NFL game details.
Bug fixes.

Widget is new and a bit rough around the edges so be gentle.
In the background in runs similarly to the Alerts.
From the UI you can pick favorites and then assign them to a widget.
We have both large and small widgets, the large widget lets you scroll, the small widget is just one team at a time.

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We released Live Scores 1.4.6 Nov 19, 2010 which includes:

GPS bug fix
GPS user options including OFF, WIFI Only, GPS Only, WIFI & GPS.
Completely new news page w/ user configurable news sources.
Audible alert with on/off toggle in app settings.
Added Froyo(2.2) support for App to SD feature.
Styling updates throughout the app, especially standings and news.

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We released Live Scores 1.4.5 Oct 28, 2010 which includes:

Game Check-In and Post-Check-In stats for game and league.
Sport specific alerts.
Bumped "Switch Sport" to the top of the menu.
Fix for defaulting to NFL.
Alerts should 100%

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We released Live Scores 1.4.4 Oct 7, 2010 which includes:

Game Picks (for pre-games).
Default Sport (you may select the default start sport)
Significant performance improvements.
Alert Notification changes.

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Aaron,

I'm very interested in this. Right now, I think only Sportstap is providing system notification updates. Their support is completely non-existent and their score updates unreliable.

The biggest annoyance I have with Sportstap is that I'm set to receive notifications on start of game, score changes and end of game. I'm always receiving updates when there's been no score changes and I find that just a big annoyance.

It'd be nice to have someone implement this correctly, provide support to the community and listen to suggestions.

Right off the bat, I see one thing you did better than Sportstap. I can select which type of updates I want on a per team basis. I don't want to be notified of every score change in an NBA game, but I do in a baseball game.

I'm looking forward to seeing what happens when games are taking place later today.

Other than that at the moment.....maybe a way to filter some sports out of the select sports window, little jazzier interface maybe, good widget, little more customization for alerts.

I have alerts enabled, and vibrate off. What if I wanted to pick an alert tone? (I don't, but I'm sure others would).

At the moment, I'm just really hoping that alerts do get pushed to me very shortly after the actual time of the score change and that it's not hard on the battery.

How often is the app checking for score updates? Are they being pushed or pulled? If this program is heavy on the battery, maybe a setting to adjust the frequency it checks for updates?
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just downloaded to give it a shot. Very interested in something like this, as I am trying to replace vText for score alert text messages, etc.
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Hello!

Been a big fan of the app for a while, but the thing that I really dislike is the menu system and general navigation. I'd rather see a static bottom bar than having to push menu every time I want to see something different.

I think the iPhone version has something like this, and I much prefer it.
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Thanks for the feedback, those are very good points.

Regarding the community support, we've felt the same way and I'm hoping this will serve as an adequate medium for communicating with live scores users. I've also created a twitter account @LiveScoresApp for anyone that would like to follow.

Customization is coming, as well as support for more sports. As many users have pointed out, the iPhone version known as Sportacular, is further along in the development process and has more features, we're trying to play catch up, but we're getting there.

Battery is a big topic. I'm a Droid X user and battery life is important to me.
Live Scores is battery conscious. You may turn alerts off at any time, when alerts are off and the app is not active, battery usage should be nearly zero. When alerts are active, currently the alerts are pulling data at 3 minute intervals. The phone is allowed to sleep between intervals and is only awake for a second so battery use is fairly low for alerts as well.
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I actually added alerts for the Minnesota Wild. That's the only event (not soccer) that's going on right now. It's late in the 3rd period at 1-1.

Hopefully, this will be a good, quick test to see how alerts are implemented.
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Been a big fan of the app for a while, but the thing that I really dislike is the menu system and general navigation. I'd rather see a static bottom bar than having to push menu every time I want to see something different.

I think the iPhone version has something like this, and I much prefer it.
I used to be an iPhone user and loved it, I switched to the Droid X with the idea that I should be more familiar with the day to day use of a droid and follow the common practices for our own app Live Scores. I thought I wasn't going to like my Droid X as much because I'm a big fan of nice user-friendly UIs, but once Froyo came out for Droid, I was sold - there's no going back for me, I'm a die-hard Droid fan. iPhone is definitely light to touch when compared to the Droid X and its heavy menu buttons. The iPhone has top and bottom bar buttons because of its lack of the physical buttons like Android phones. For now we're trying to follow the standard practice of using the menu button, however future releases may be different. According to Android development guides, we shouldn't rely on the fact that all future devices will have buttons, so to accommodate, we may see on-screen buttons like the iphone in the future.
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I actually added alerts for the Minnesota Wild. That's the only event (not soccer) that's going on right now. It's late in the 3rd period at 1-1.

Hopefully, this will be a good, quick test to see how alerts are implemented.

EDIT: Also, maybe one more option for notification. Might be nice to add an option for a notification at the end of each "break". Basically would be end of inning, football/basketball quarters, soccer half, etc. As long as you can configure it, by team, I don't see how that could hurt.
I appreciate the testing!

Alerts are not 100% right now. We have a lot of users requesting alerts and we're in the middle of starting up some new servers to handle the larger user base. This should roll out over the next week and alerts should be 100% after that.

But we're always making tweaks and we try to make changes and get them out to our fans quickly, sometimes at the cost of releasing a few minor bugs too. So we ask that our users stick with us and give us feedback about their experiences so we can get those fixes out ASAP.
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Just set it up, using it. I think the design and implementation if very minimalist, which makes it light on resources, but I agree the static menu at the bottom for the most common tasks would be nice.
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Battery is a big topic. I'm a Droid X user and battery life is important to me.
Live Scores is battery conscious. You may turn alerts off at any time, when alerts are off and the app is not active, battery usage should be nearly zero. When alerts are active, currently the alerts are pulling data at 3 minute intervals. The phone is allowed to sleep between intervals and is only awake for a second so battery use is fairly low for alerts as well.
Droid X user here too. Glad to hear it's battery conscious. Hopefully, I won't see live scores accumulating significant partial wake lock times. Does the app still check every 3 minutes even when no games you have alerts for are currently in play? As I suggested before, if it might help on battery (or if someone wants quicker updates and doesn't care about battery) maybe that 3 minutes can be user adjusted.

Also, maybe one more option for notification. Might be nice to add an option for a notification at the end of each "break". Basically would be end of inning, football/basketball quarters, soccer half, etc. As long as you can configure it by team, I don't see how that could hurt.
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I cant really think of any apps that rely on "Menu" for being the primary method of navigating - it usually is just for additional options which don't appear on the typical upper or lower navigation bar. Have you ever used the app called "Touiteur"? Its a twitter client, but probably has the best navigation menus out there (IMO). I think something similar could be implement in Live Scores. I love that swiping left and right changes the windows too.

Can you explain why the iPhone version is labeled as being Yahoo! and this is not so on the Android version?

Edit: One more thing, is a widget in the works? Because thats make or break for me and why I stick with SportsTap - it has the best widget IMO.
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Can you explain why the iPhone version is labeled as being Yahoo! and this is not so on the Android version?
Interesting question in that Aaron apparently works for Yahoo! Is this a Yahoo! product?

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One more thing, is a widget in the works? Because thats make or break for me and why I stick with SportsTap - it has the best widget IMO.
Agree, but their notifications are a mess. You could always run the Sportstap widget and Live Scores notification. Not sure how bad an effect that would have on battery though.
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I assume its because it was originally developed by Citizen Sports and Yahoo acquired it, but not sure.
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I used to have SportsTap but since 2.2, it's been way too buggy. Ever since, I've really been pleased with with Live Scores. At one point, I had them both running simultaneously for sports updates. For instance, Broncos games and Rockies game happening at the same time. Live Scores consistently gave me better updated scoring, and times of the game were much more accurate. I work a lot with GUI in my work, and I wish Live Scores would condense the main score screens to be much smaller. They take up too much space, and is much better to see all on one screen, rather than scrolling. This, and the overall look and design, is where Sportstap wins. However, the app is supposed to give timely, accurate scoring, and so I use Live Scores.

I was just rereading an earlier post and didn't realize you could swipe from side to side for scores. I saw the red arrows by the date but was hoping this was for swiping for ALL sports, not just different dates within the SAME sport. May an option for this, as on weekends, college football, NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB playoffs, etc. would be great to swipe all the different sports.

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Droid X user here too. Glad to hear it's battery conscious. Hopefully, I won't see live scores accumulating significant partial wake lock times. Does the app still check every 3 minutes even when no games you have alerts for are currently in play? As I suggested before, if it might help on battery (or if someone wants quicker updates and doesn't care about battery) maybe that 3 minutes can be user adjusted.

Also, maybe one more option for notification. Might be nice to add an option for a notification at the end of each "break". Basically would be end of inning, football/basketball quarters, soccer half, etc. As long as you can configure it by team, I don't see how that could hurt.
We do attain many partial wake locks. We attain a partial wake lock every 3 minutes while alerts are active. If the alert system does not detect any games that you are interested in, within an hour then the alert system will automatically suspend itself and stop the 3 minute polling. So its only checking for alerts when games you are subscribed to are active.
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I cant really think of any apps that rely on "Menu" for being the primary method of navigating - it usually is just for additional options which don't appear on the typical upper or lower navigation bar. Have you ever used the app called "Touiteur"? Its a twitter client, but probably has the best navigation menus out there (IMO). I think something similar could be implement in Live Scores. I love that swiping left and right changes the windows too.

Can you explain why the iPhone version is labeled as being Yahoo! and this is not so on the Android version?

Edit: One more thing, is a widget in the works? Because thats make or break for me and why I stick with SportsTap - it has the best widget IMO.
A widget is definitely in the works, maybe not the next release but we've been talking about it at the office for awhile.

Both Sportacular and Live Scores started as side projects, that grew quickly. Sportacular for iPhone was only recently branded as a Yahoo product. Sportacular is further along than Live Scores. I do work for Yahoo and I'm developing Live Scores, but I cannot say yet if Live Scores will receive the Yahoo branding. If it does, it will be a good thing, because along with Yahoo's blessing comes more manpower which means more features for the users.
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We do attain many partial wake locks. We attain a partial wake lock every 3 minutes while alerts are active. If the alert system does not detect any games that you are interested in, within an hour then the alert system will automatically suspend itself and stop the 3 minute polling. So its only checking for alerts when games you are subscribed to are active.
With a game going on that I had notifications set for, I had 48 minutes of Live Scores partial wake lock time with 6 minutes of total uptime (since last unplugged). That seems a bit high. Never saw sportstap have much partial wake lock time. Don't know if/how it's affecting the battery, which is really what counts.

Did you see my other comment about updates at end of break intervals as well?

There never was another score in the Wild game. The game ended around 2:56pm ET. At 3:05pm I didn't receive the end of game notification, so I opened Live Scores to confirm it was set up and as soon as it opened, I received the notification. I'm guessing it was more the fact that I opened it rather than a coincidence that it came in at the exact same time I opened it.

I'll test further with the baseball games tonight.
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With a game going on that I had notifications set for, I had 48 minutes of Live Scores partial wake lock time with 6 minutes of total uptime (since last unplugged). That seems a bit high. Never saw sportstap have much partial wake lock time. Don't know if/how it's affecting the battery, which is really what counts.

Did you see my other comment about updates at end of break intervals as well?

There never was another score in the Wild game. The game ended around 2:56pm ET. At 3:05pm I didn't receive the end of game notification, so I opened Live Scores to confirm it was set up and as soon as it opened, I received the notification. I'm guessing it was more the fact that I opened it rather than a coincidence that it came in at the exact same time I opened it.

I'll test further with the baseball games tonight.
That's interesting about the amount of wake lock time. I will have to look into that. It could be that the lock is attained and not released until the service is terminated by the OS. If that's, its an easy fix.

Regarding getting that alert right when you opened the phone. It's likely that the server returned no data when it last checked for an alert, then when you opened the app, it tried again and found it.

End of break intervals makes sense. Right now we have the same alert options for all sports, the plan has been to build out sport-specific alerts once we get some of these high-priority items out of the way, such as alerts not running 100%.
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Oops, I typed those numbers backwards, sorry. 48 uptime and 6 wake lock from live scores.
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okay, first team I am following, quick feedback on the functionality.

Running this on a Droid X, set up notifications for the Anaheim Ducks game. Left the application running, exited by clicking the HOME button.

Now halfway through the game, the only notifications I have gotten are when I re-enter the application and wait for it to update.

Let me add to that, just got one update, almost 10 minutes after the goal happened.

So, not quite sure what is going on with notifications....
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okay, first team I am following, quick feedback on the functionality.

Running this on a Droid X, set up notifications for the Anaheim Ducks game. Left the application running, exited by clicking the HOME button.

Now halfway through the game, the only notifications I have gotten are when I re-enter the application and wait for it to update.

Let me add to that, just got one update, almost 10 minutes after the goal happened.

So, not quite sure what is going on with notifications....
I'm subscribed to the Ducks vs Red Wings game too. I'm not in the app and I'm getting alerts, currently 3 to 0, but I don't know how far behind they are because I'm not watching the live game.

When you got the alert 10 minutes after the goal, were you in the app or did it work outside of the app?

... Yep - Just looked at the log... It seems mine aren't always running on schedule... somewhere between 3 and 15 minutes... Okay its a bug - I'm on it right now.
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Hey Aaron,

To me, the best sports app is one that conserves battery, but has reliable game updates. When I downloaded Live scores a few weeks ago, the user interface was kinda ugly... so I switched to sportstap. What I didn't about sportstap was that it kept running in the background though... I hope my comments help. To summarize:

-Lite application, battery efficient, doesn't run in the background when not in use
-Cool UI
-Reliable game updates

Thanks for the great app, I'll be sure to check out Live Scores from time to time.
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Watching the Rays/Rangers game now and notifications are definitely a little hit or miss.

I received the start of game notification in mid-first, which is ok. I wasn't paying attention when it was 1-0. I did get the 1-1 notification 3-4 mins after the event.

It's now 10 minutes after the 2-1 score change and no notification. I then just went into the app and still no notification at all. I usually do exit the app via the back button, but that shouldn't matter.
EDIT: I just exited and went back into it again and got the update. I wonder if the system is closing the app on it's own and that's why I'm not always getting notifications. I also just noticed that I have Islanders updates set and when I just got the 2-1 baseball score, I got another update for the Islanders and it was 2-0 in the first, so I didn't get a start of game or 1-0 score updates. Looks like maybe the service was closed by the system?

Also, just found another little bug. I have NFL as my default sport. I exit the app, then go into it and I have the NFL scoreboard open in week 5 as it should, I then hit menu->select sport and choose MLB. When I do that, it opes on 10/8/10 scoreboard (yesterday). Should definitely open up on today's games.

One other comment. In my hockey score update it just says 2-0 Oct 9 and 1st. It should tell me the time expired or remaining, but not sure which. Hockey reports goals scored as time into period, but the game clock does tick down. I guess it would be different, by sport. Soccer would definitely be time expired since the clock counts up) in the period as well, or if it was between periods (it's not), should end end 1st. Either way, it should include the game time in some fashion along with the notification.

As you can see, I'm excited for this type of app, so please take this all constructively. I hope I can help improve your app and I'm sure others here feel the same.

EDIT 2: Score just changed to 2-2 in the baseball game. I had just recently exited the app and I got the notification about 30 seconds after the event.
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Watching the Rays/Rangers game now and notifications are definitely a little hit or miss.

I received the start of game notification in mid-first, which is ok. I wasn't paying attention when it was 1-0. I did get the 1-1 notification 3-4 mins after the event.

It's now 10 minutes after the 2-1 score change and no notification. I then just went into the app and still no notification at all. I usually do exit the app via the back button, but that shouldn't matter.
EDIT: I just exited and went back into it again and got the update. I wonder if the system is closing the app on it's own and that's why I'm not always getting notifications. I also just noticed that I have Islanders updates set and when I just got the 2-1 baseball score, I got another update for the Islanders and it was 2-0 in the first, so I didn't get a start of game or 1-0 score updates. Looks like maybe the service was closed by the system?

Also, just found another little bug. I have NFL as my default sport. I exit the app, then go into it and I have the NFL scoreboard open in week 5 as it should, I then hit menu->select sport and choose MLB. When I do that, it opes on 10/8/10 scoreboard (yesterday). Should definitely open up on today's games.

One other comment. In my hockey score update it just says 2-0 Oct 9 and 1st. It should tell me the time expired or remaining, but not sure which. Hockey reports goals scored as time into period, but the game clock does tick down. I guess it would be different, by sport. Soccer would definitely be time expired since the clock counts up) in the period as well, or if it was between periods (it's not), should end end 1st. Either way, it should include the game time in some fashion along with the notification.

As you can see, I'm excited for this type of app, so please take this all constructively. I hope I can help improve your app and I'm sure others here feel the same.

EDIT 2: Score just changed to 2-2 in the baseball game. I had just recently exited the app and I got the notification about 30 seconds after the event.

Thanks for all the notes, I appreciate it.

Alerts do run even if you close the app, however if you kill Live Scores with Taskiller, the alerts probably wont run anymore as Taskiller also terminates alarms and Live Scores uses the Android Alarm Manager to trigger alerts rather than a continuous background service.

You're definitely right about the time remaining for Hockey. For now many features are kind of generalized until we get some of the major features out, then we can drill down and work on some of those specifics. So for now the alert notifications look the same for all sports which kinda sucks if the period isn't really applicable to the sport such as NHL.

Again, right on about the date being off when switching to MLB, this is true for some other sports too, I've reproduced this bug myself and will be looking into it.

Thanks for helping out! I think comments/feedback here are much more beneficial to everyone as opposed to comments in the market which I can't respond to.
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Some more testing today. Updates were great during both the Football Giants and Baseball Rays games.

The only thing was that I don't think I got a start game notification for either, I got an end game notification for the Giants late and I don't think I ever got one for the Rays.

So, score updates, great. Could be a problem with start/end notifications.

Either way, I got NO duplicate notifications (when there's no change in score) like I did with Sportstap. I like this program. Sportstap drove me nuts when it kept throwing up system notifications when there was no score change. Their support is absolutely non-existent. Very happy to be able to move away from them now.
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I am so glad this is now on other android phones. My buddy with the original droid had this and i wanted it so bad. He even tried to bump it to me.

You should take a look at google's scoreboard app, it puts a notification line with almost live score, time and play. It was my backup to this app.. But now i will try both to see which is best.
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been using this app for a while now, great for keeping up with games when not in front of the tv!! keep up the good work
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I'm subscribed to the Ducks vs Red Wings game too. I'm not in the app and I'm getting alerts, currently 3 to 0, but I don't know how far behind they are because I'm not watching the live game.

When you got the alert 10 minutes after the goal, were you in the app or did it work outside of the app?

... Yep - Just looked at the log... It seems mine aren't always running on schedule... somewhere between 3 and 15 minutes... Okay its a bug - I'm on it right now.
Thanks for taking a look into that.

The application was open, but I was not in the app. I am not running any task killers or anything. Also, was watching the game live, thats how I noticed the score/time differential.

Also, was following a few NCAA Football games on Saturday, and those alerts seem to come in within a few minutes of the score happening.
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I loved Sportacular on my iPhone. That is really one of the apps I have missed most since switching to Android. The biggest thing I miss is notifications. I know push notifications on iPhone are great for apps like this, but isn't something similar available on Froyo?

I am going to download this now and give it a shot. I'll be giving my feedback here, glad I saw this thread!
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I made some tweaks to the alerts configuration, seems like that resulted in better alert response. More to come!

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I loved Sportacular on my iPhone. That is really one of the apps I have missed most since switching to Android. The biggest thing I miss is notifications. I know push notifications on iPhone are great for apps like this, but isn't something similar available on Froyo?

I am going to download this now and give it a shot. I'll be giving my feedback here, glad I saw this thread!
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I know push notifications on iPhone are great for apps like this, but isn't something similar available on Froyo?
Same question. I thought I read the other day that Froyo has some sort of new/special push notification system that would improve this type of app. Aaron, do you know anything about that or what that could do for this type of app?

Also, did Google Scorecenter always have system alerts? I thought I tried it before and don't remember seeing that. I'll set that up to compare things.
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Hope you don't mind all the posting here.

I'm monitoring the Islanders hockey game today. No start of game notification, no 1-0 notification, but I did get notified of 1-1. The 2nd goal was shortly after the first, so it's possible that it was 1-1 before live scores checked for an update. I did just get the 2-1 notification as well.

Still think something isn't quite right for start/end game notifications.

I also tried out google scoreboard today. Couple of things I like, a couple I don't like and a dealbreaker.

With scoreboard, Score/start/end updates appear to be working great. I like that I get different notification icons depending on sport. Nice touch, especially when games in multiple sports are going on at the same time. Should be easy to implement that. I also like that different sports have different notification options (baskeball is start, end, once per qtr or twice per qtr, hockey is start, end, each period or each score, etc.). I know you said that was already on your list.

As far as the don't likes with scoreboard, when there is a score update and you click on it, it brings you into the app to a screen that just gives the score. I don't see any easy/quick way to get good stats on the game. The dealbreaker though is that on notifications, it doesn't light up the notification light on my Droid X. I can only see that there's a notification if I turn on the phone.

Deleting scoreboard.

Hopefully, you've got some sort of list going here

Most important thing to me though is that the notifications work properly.

Thanks again for listening!
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Ok, I have my favorite teams set up and alerts on for NCAAFB, NFL, and MLB. I am going to evaluate it for a week and then give my feedback.

One early recommendation is that we can disable some sports so they don't show up on the list when changing sports, for example I don't and won't ever care about soccer, I don't need any soccer leagues on my list when I change sports.
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What's the possibility of adding a widget?
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After a day of use and just getting my first game notification here are some ideas:

1. Option for pop up that can be set for each alert type (start, end, score, etc)
2. Notification sound that can be changed, possibly change notification light color also?

-I didn't even know I had a notification until I turned on my screen and looked at the notification bar, and I would just prefer the pop up option because it was nice having that as a push notification on iPhone.

3. More alert options: end of innings, quarters, etc
4. An alert before game time (15 min, 1 hr, just something) as opposed to just at the start.



I don't know if you could do this but it would be awesome if the app could sync to the calendar and put your favorite team's schedule on the calendar. That would just be awesome!
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Same question. I thought I read the other day that Froyo has some sort of new/special push notification system that would improve this type of app. Aaron, do you know anything about that or what that could do for this type of app?

Also, did Google Scorecenter always have system alerts? I thought I tried it before and don't remember seeing that. I'll set that up to compare things.
Yeah, we've been talking about using the new push for 2.2. For now our code doesn't support 2.2 yet. We compile against 1.6 for backwards compatibility but we're going to have to start adding support for 2.2 to take advantage of new features like App->SD.

I remember scorecenter having alerts for awhile - about the same time we got them.
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100% but it wont be in the next release, maybe the next though.
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I just switched everyone over to the new Alerts server polling at 2 minute intervals for now. Should be 100% operational - let me know what you think.

This is a test, we may revert back to the old server depending no how this one takes the load.

I appreciate everyone's input, I'm literally taking your comments and adding them to our feature/bug tracking system to ensure they get addressed.
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Tried it over the weekend, not too bad. Has some minor issues and no widget but since that is being worked on I will continue to use it for now. Looks promising...

Can you not change/customize the alert notifications? I saw no option, that's pretty important to me since the default on my captivate is terrible.
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I just switched everyone over to the new Alerts server polling at 2 minute intervals for now. Should be 100% operational - let me know what you think.

I appreciate everyone's input, I'm literally taking your comments and adding them to our feature/bug tracking system to ensure they get addressed.
Will keep an eye on it. You think 2 minute polling won't be too much of a drain on the battery?

Looking forward to seeing some of the ideas worked into the program.

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After a day of use and just getting my first game notification here are some ideas:

1. Option for pop up that can be set for each alert type (start, end, score, etc)
2. Notification sound that can be changed, possibly change notification light color also?

-I didn't even know I had a notification until I turned on my screen and looked at the notification bar, and I would just prefer the pop up option because it was nice having that as a push notification on iPhone.

3. More alert options: end of innings, quarters, etc
4. An alert before game time (15 min, 1 hr, just something) as opposed to just at the start.

I don't know if you could do this but it would be awesome if the app could sync to the calendar and put your favorite team's schedule on the calendar. That would just be awesome!
1. What are popups exactly?
2. Agree
You mention you didn't notice you have a notification until you turned on the screen, but you are aware that you get a light notification, so I'm a little confused there. For me, the light notification is great. I don't have to turn the screen to look on unless it's lit. I think that's enough. Google scoreboard didn't turn on the light and that was a dealbreaker for me there.
3. Agree. Different options for different sports. Aaron said that's been worked on.
4. Really is same as 3 and I guess would be ok, but might just have too many options then.

Team Schedules in calendar is already something you can get directly from google and is built into google calendar. Go into your calendar settings, click calendars. Then in other calendars, click browser interesting calendars.
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1. What are popups exactly?
2. Agree
You mention you didn't notice you have a notification until you turned on the screen, but you are aware that you get a light notification, so I'm a little confused there. For me, the light notification is great. I don't have to turn the screen to look on unless it's lit. I think that's enough. Google scoreboard didn't turn on the light and that was a dealbreaker for me there.
3. Agree. Different options for different sports. Aaron said that's been worked on.
4. Really is same as 3 and I guess would be ok, but might just have too many options then.

Team Schedules in calendar is already something you can get directly from google and is built into google calendar. Go into your calendar settings, click calendars. Then in other calendars, click browser interesting calendars.
-Pop UPS are a dialog box that would pop up on the screen, like a pop up from SMS if you use handcent or chomp.

-I can't see the light if the phone is face down or in my pocket. I miss just a vibration a lot when there is no sound also. Just needs to be an option.

-Sport calendars on your Google calendar do not sync to your phone, that has been discussed a lot on here, and is a known defect with Google calendar . For a while I had found a work around using a yahoo calendar synced to Google which would then sync to my phone, but that quit working also.
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100% but it wont be in the next release, maybe the next though.
Here is what I would like to see in a widget:
1. Ability to select favorite teams and have them show up first and maybe highlight them a different color.
2. Have the ability to select different sports from the widget.
3. Ability to set scroll rates and refresh rates.
4. Ability to change the day to the previous day's scores or current day.
5. It shouldn't be too big. I love the ScoreMobile widget but it is too big and the colors are ugly.

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-Pop UPS are a dialog box that would pop up on the screen, like a pop up from SMS if you use handcent or chomp.

-I can't see the light if the phone is face down or in my pocket. I miss just a vibration a lot when there is no sound also. Just needs to be an option.

-Sport calendars on your Google calendar do not sync to your phone, that has been discussed a lot on here, and is a known defect with Google calendar . For a while I had found a work around using a yahoo calendar synced to Google which would then sync to my phone, but that quit working also.
That's a good point. We have talked about changing the sound, but for now its just the default. You can turn on vibration for alerts via Live Scores->Menu->Alert Settings.

I'm realizing that the lack of "Instructions" for the app has caused some confusion, let me add that to my todo list.
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Will keep an eye on it. You think 2 minute polling won't be too much of a drain on the battery?
Naa, I run 30 sec polling on my phone (sorry guys developer privilege)
According to my testing, I've let it run at 30sec polling for 48 hours with a bunch of game subscriptions and as long as I didn't go into the app, Live Scores never showed up on the list of apps under the battery monitor. However it does show up if I'm in the app a lot but thats going to happen for any app and unrelated to the alert polling interval. And just to be safe, the alerts system is only polling while the game is in progress.

A configurable polling interval is also in the plan, but the minimum interval has to be a number that is long enough that doesn't overrun our servers. If everyone had their phones set to 30 seconds, we would see 6x more server load. As we allocate more machines to alerts processing, we will start to offer faster polling intervals.
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I have been using your Live Scores app for a while now. I made the switch from the ESPN app and have never looked back. However, I do have some suggestions to improve your software. Please excuse me if these things have been mentioned before as I only scanned through a lot of the other suggestions and either didn't see them or would like to reiterate what these people have suggested.

At first, I was upset that there was no score update widget that came with your app, but you quickly fixed this complaint by adding the score update feature. I would still love to be able to set some kind of an alert tone to go along with the vibration of the score updates. Perhaps even a custom tone for every team I am subscribed to, and a default tone for unassigned teams.

For years, before I purchased my Android, I had been getting score update alerts from Yahoo! via text message through their yahoo mobile services. I was able to finally cancel this text messages thanks to your program, but was kind of upset to find that there weren't as many score update options. For example, when I wanted to know the score of a baseball game, I used to get text updates at the end of every inning (or the end of every 3 innings, depending on the game) regardless of scoring. So, if a team scores 8 runs in an inning (or football team scores 21 points in a quarter), that update would only be sent to me at the end of the inning/quarter unless I also choose to have "score updates" selected. The updates at the end of an inning help quell the "is the app working?" worries when there is a game where nobody scores for a while. Having the ability to customize these alerts would be great. People might want the ability to see the status of the game in their alerts window, updated every 30 seconds or every minute. They will know how many outs there are or what yardline the ball is on without having to open the app.

I notice that an option for Nascar updates/results is missing. I notice you addressed adding additional sports in your original posting. I hope Nascar is on this list - that would be great.

I would love to see team/league logos next to the team/league names. It would make it easier to pick out a certain game in a list of 20. I realize there are probably copyright issues here, but since you are backed by Yahoo!, itmight not be as big of a deal as I am thinking.

One small annoyance that I have had when using your program is that the "Select Sport" button on the baseball menu is located in the center of the bottom row. When I switch to NFL, that button is located in the bottom row, but it now appears on the left side. Just a small user interface thing, but can be quite annoying.

Another small annoyance is that there is no "today" button to use when I find myself scrolling through next weekend's games and want to quickly return to today's listings. The today button should disappear or turn a different color when I am on the current day - this would help confirm things for the user who has Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. *ahem* That would be a great little shortcut to have. Also, the day of the week should appear next to the date (Sun, Mon, Tues, etc.). This way, I know I am looking at the right day's scores.

I would love to see a "homepage" that the program can be set to load when I open the app. This would be in addition to having the option to set something like "NFL" or MLB" as your default start page. What the homepage would do is feature scores of my favorite teams and teams that I have alerts set for, regardless of what sport/league they are in. I will give you an example of why this would be a great improvement. Say my favorite hockey team and my favorite baseball team are both playing games at the same time. I want to follow along with both games using the Live Score app. I currently need to open the Live Score app, select "NHL", scroll to my team and open that. When I want to see what is happening during the other game, I need to press "menu>select sport>MLB", then find the game on the list and select it. Want to switch back? Well... you see what I am getting at. If the homepage was implemented, I would be able to follow both games from that window. If I want more details on one of the games, I could tap it. Want to switch? Easy... press the back button and tap the other game.

In addition to this last request, would it be possible to add some kind of a "tabbed browsing" type of feature, so you could follow more than one game at a time. When you are following more than one active game, the tabs would appear on the top or side (with the current scores on them) - you can just press one or the other to switch between games that you are viewing.

I would love to see the added ability to view the upcoming schedule of a certain team (or all of my favorite teams on the same schedule). Perhaps the option of a list view or a calendar view could be used for this?

In addition to that, it would be nice to see what TV networks (home, away, national) are carrying the game you are looking at.

Since you are backed by Yahoo - I would love to see a link to the article that Yahoo has on that game. Either a pregame preview or a postgame writeup would be a great option to have. If the browser has to launch for this type of thing, so be it, but I would love to see the ability to view this text from within the app. The pregrame preview article would be the default thing you see when you select a game that hasn't started yet. The postgame recap would be the first thing that you see when you select a game that has already ended.

One additional note that I have which isn't a suggestion, but a possible bug you might want to look into. On Sunday, I was following along with the Eagles/49ers NFL game. 49ers was listed on the top scoreboard properly, but every time there was an update on the last play or field position, the 49ers were referred to as "TEN." For example, it would say: "Ball on TEN 32 yard line" instead of "Ball on SF 32 yard line." I must have checked myself about 10 times, because I thought I had selected the "Tennessee Titans" game instead of the Eagles/49ers.

Thanks a lot for your time in developing this app and reading these comments. Let me know if you have any questions or feedback on my suggestions. I will certainly let you know if I have any more suggestions for your application.
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I just switched everyone over to the new Alerts server polling at 2 minute intervals for now. Should be 100% operational - let me know what you think.

This is a test, we may revert back to the old server depending no how this one takes the load.

I appreciate everyone's input, I'm literally taking your comments and adding them to our feature/bug tracking system to ensure they get addressed.
Tonight was a good (and interesting) test. Avs/Red Wings and Nuggets/Timberwolves. The Avs/Wings scored 9 goals and the alerts were perfect, but the basketball alerts were way too often. THAT's where I wish there were just quarterly or break updates. Basketball every 2 mins is a bit much. Sometimes there's no score change at all, but if that's between quarters, that would be nice to know. Every 5 mins would be a great option, or let the users pick 2, 5, 10, quarters/periods, etc.

I've seen GREAT improvements on updates being pretty timely as far as I'm concerned.

Also, I like the vibrate option. When I have my phone in my pocket, and my wife and I are out to eat, at a party or doing something with the kids, it's great to know there's an update when someone scores. The sound or chime each time could get annoying. But of course, that woudl be a user option.
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Tonight was a good (and interesting) test. Avs/Red Wings and Nuggets/Timberwolves. The Avs/Wings scored 9 goals and the alerts were perfect, but the basketball alerts were way too often. THAT's where I wish there were just quarterly or break updates. Basketball every 2 mins is a bit much. Sometimes there's no score change at all, but if that's between quarters, that would be nice to know. Every 5 mins would be a great option, or let the users pick 2, 5, 10, quarters/periods, etc.

I've seen GREAT improvements on updates being pretty timely as far as I'm concerned.
Thanks for the update on the scoring, I think with such an active developer and an already good app this is going to turn out to be great.
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Thanks for the update on the scoring, I think with such an active developer and an already good app this is going to turn out to be great.
Agreed. I'm excited. Hopefully we'll start seeing some of our suggestions in action soon

Great updating during the Rays game tonight too. Everything right on time and accurate.
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