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it has good pinch zoom but the browser just sucks to be a default. Why cant I get a browser where I have my tabs, pinch zoom, tap to zoom and loads where I can see the whole page. Dolphins close but not there yet.
Thanks for the suggestion, droiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid
I just don't think a way of doing things can be patented. But Apple did it anyway. More and more people using the one finger zoom will be my best reward
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And one more thing, pin-zoom might be worth trying to patent. It's a brilliant way to do zoom on a mobile where only one hand is available.
it has good pinch zoom but the browser just sucks to be a default. Why cant I get a browser where I have my tabs, pinch zoom, tap to zoom and loads where I can see the whole page. Dolphins close but not there yet.
ok thanks, I havent checked out xcope in a while so I havent tried out any recent updates. But if you guys get the tabs and a decent looking browser atleast up to par with the stock browser I'll pay double what you guys are selling it for now if I have to.
The home screen will be redesigned in the future update. The screen itself is actually an HTML file. So we have plenty of room to make it nicer
I really like this app and am going to help you along by buying the full version.
I would REALLY like to see a pop-up menu at the bottom of the screen like some apps have where you could place options like Favorites, Forward, Back, Refresh, Home and Preferences.
Thanks a lot, Lance.
There will be a major update to 3.0 version by this weekend. User customizations will be gradually added along development and update.
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I really like this app and am going to help you along by buying the full version.
I would REALLY like to see a pop-up menu at the bottom of the screen like some apps have where you could place options like Favorites, Forward, Back, Refresh, Home and Preferences.
Don't know if you've seen the vid about firefox's mobile browser that was ont he phandroid blog today.
I thought that having some buttons/commands off to the side of the content was very clever UI. Of cousre the "awesome bar" is awesome (the main reason I use FF on my PC), but I'm guessing that's a much more intensive bit of work than could be put in by a hobbyist
Sometimes when I try to scroll, I end up with zoom accidentally. In this case, I just don't release my thumb so that I can drag backward to zoom it back.
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And one bit of feedback. I have trouble getting pin zoom to engage consistently. I'm guessing I may have a trace of motion across the screen when I tap or something along those lines, but I may be doing something else wrong.
As the developer, do you ever have trouble with that?
Could you post its link? Call me anything you like, but I couldn't find it
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Don't know if you've seen the vid about firefox's mobile browser that was ont he phandroid blog today.
I thought that having some buttons/commands off to the side of the content was very clever UI. Of cousre the "awesome bar" is awesome (the main reason I use FF on my PC), but I'm guessing that's a much more intensive bit of work than could be put in by a hobbyist
Why not? This is a great idea! I mean loading galleries from your sd card withyour browser, so that you can view it all the way you like. I will start working on this after making the browser more complete.
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Is there a way to make this work for photo gallery? I know the browser will not,
I mean the technology. I would also pay for this app.
The tabs look nice! Keep up the great work. Only problem I'm having is occasionally fat fingering the open/close tab because they're so close together.
Also have a repeatable FC when logged in to nhl.com:
When it comes time to allow contextual actions on links, the long-press used by some other mobile browsers won't work because you're using that as open new tab (which is MUCH more frequently useful, so good call).
But maybe you could have a button or area of the screen that you could press to activate a secondary set of behaviors for all the actions. Kind of like an alt-key or shift-button.
So you'd hit this button and then the context of all the other buttons and actions would change. So the favorite star could change to a share button, for instance.
Just a thought. I know you like to keep things looking clean and simple, and this would prevent you from having menu and button bloat.
Maybe swiping the url bar?
It might be a bad idea. I have no expectations that you'll use it. Just sharing.
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This is a fantastic browser, I have uninstalled Dolphin in favor of this one. I love the pin zoom. I cant wait for the option to make it default browser. Also refresh (unless that's already there and I blind LOL).
I will be uninstalling the lite version this afternoon and purchasing the Full version to help support this app and show my appreciation for such an amazing browser.
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That button really just functions as a "go" command for whatever's in that url bar. It's actually pretty clever to have it also serve as the refresh, but it took me a sec to figure it out as well.
One thing I like about this is that it seems to be aimed at a more sophisticated user than some browsers/applications. It may take a moment to learn the ropes, but it's going to result in a much better experience.
@Redflea - the pinch zoom seems to work normally for me on this forum.
Thanks...I was using the pin zoom when I saw the issue. Does it matter which one you use?
I'll give it another try and see...
OK - just tried it, flipping back and forth between Dolphin and XScope Lite.
In Dolphin, when I resize a page (I was on the Motorola Droid page) the thread titles resize automatically to fit in the available screen space so I can read then w/out any left-right scrolling. (I'm browsing in portrait view.)
When I do the same in XScope, the thread titles don't wrap, they run off the screen and I have to scroll to read all of the text. Same w/thread content - when I zoom in Dolphin it automagically fits the content to my screen, when I zoom in XScope, the text runs off to the right and doesn't fit to screen.
I don't see any setting to fix this...anyone have any idea why it isn't working for me? I really like the pin zoom (which, by the way, I thought of weeks ago when I first got my Droid ) and might be willing to give up the Dolphin gestures (which I LOVE) if this browser can fit text the way the default browser and Dolphin do.
Thanks...
Last edited by Redflea; December 18th, 2009 at 05:19 PM.
I was trying to download a podcast, which required me to "save link as" which isn't an option on 3.0 (maybe it is?).
When entering in a password, there is no indication as to what has been entered until after you hit go (entering ur login and password on androidforums for instance.
A smarter context menu will be developed as Droiiiiiid suggested so that you can choose to open in new tab, save as, or others. As for the passwords, I had same problem. Need further investigation on what to do to fix it.
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3.0 is great, I love the tabs!
There are a few things I've noticed though.
I was trying to download a podcast, which required me to "save link as" which isn't an option on 3.0 (maybe it is?).
When entering in a password, there is no indication as to what has been entered until after you hit go (entering ur login and password on androidforums for instance.
This is actually related to how webview renders layout. There are three options:
1. Normal (default by xScope), 2. Narrow columns, 3. Single column. See this link for detailed explaination.
There will be an update to include all those options.
This is actually a good question.
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Thanks...I was using the pin zoom when I saw the issue. Does it matter which one you use?
I'll give it another try and see...
OK - just tried it, flipping back and forth between Dolphin and XScope Lite.
In Dolphin, when I resize a page (I was on the Motorola Droid page) the thread titles resize automatically to fit in the available screen space so I can read then w/out any left-right scrolling. (I'm browsing in portrait view.)
When I do the same in XScope, the thread titles don't wrap, they run off the screen and I have to scroll to read all of the text. Same w/thread content - when I zoom in Dolphin it automagically fits the content to my screen, when I zoom in XScope, the text runs off to the right and doesn't fit to screen.
I don't see any setting to fix this...anyone have any idea why it isn't working for me? I really like the pin zoom (which, by the way, I thought of weeks ago when I first got my Droid ) and might be willing to give up the Dolphin gestures (which I LOVE) if this browser can fit text the way the default browser and Dolphin do.
When it comes time to allow contextual actions on links, the long-press used by some other mobile browsers won't work because you're using that as open new tab (which is MUCH more frequently useful, so good call).
But maybe you could have a button or area of the screen that you could press to activate a secondary set of behaviors for all the actions. Kind of like an alt-key or shift-button.
So you'd hit this button and then the context of all the other buttons and actions would change. So the favorite star could change to a share button, for instance.
Just a thought. I know you like to keep things looking clean and simple, and this would prevent you from having menu and button bloat.
Maybe swiping the url bar?
It might be a bad idea. I have no expectations that you'll use it. Just sharing.
This might be again the default layout algorithm problem?
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The tabs look nice! Keep up the great work. Only problem I'm having is occasionally fat fingering the open/close tab because they're so close together.
Also have a repeatable FC when logged in to nhl.com:
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These will make the browser so much better than it already is. Thank yoiu for the great support and the great browser. I am logging in to the Market on my phone now that I am able to and purchasing the Full version to help support.
Thank again.
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Guys,
First, thanks for all your support, great feedback and suggestions. In my work list are:
Data related:
Clear Cache
Clear Form Data
Clear History
Screen related:
Portrait
Landscape
Auto rotate (default)
Always On (setKeepScreenOn(true))
Default Zoom Scale:
2.0
1.5(default)
1.0
overview
Layout Algorithm:
Narrow (fit screen?)
Normal
Single Column
This is actually related to how webview renders layout. There are three options:
1. Normal (default by xScope), 2. Narrow columns, 3. Single column. See this link for detailed explaination.
this looks very promising... feels great! just can't see 2.99 for such an incomplete browser... i'm sure that i'll be back when it's more complete! keep up the great work!
This is a fantastic product, and I purchased as well to support all your efforts.
A few humble suggestions:
- I think you mentioned you're still working on the search parsing so that the app knows when to do a google search and when to go to a URL; right now, unless somebody can tell me what I am doing wrong, I cannot get XScope to go directly to a URL at all unless I type "http://[url]" - if I leave out the "http" , it defaults to doing a Google search. One shortcut may be to check to see if you have periods (i.e., if I type "cnn.com" and make that go to the URL?
- The tabs are awesome. I am finding that manually entering URL's takes some extra steps. Is there any way to have a short press on the search bar/URL bar mimic the behavior of the stock Android browser? That is, if you select with a finger over the entire URL box, then you select the entire URL address. If you select an area within the box, then you can select a specific character to edit. What I'm finding out in XScope is that I frequently have to take multiple steps to manually put in a URL; I have to first long-press to "select all", then hit the tab again to get the virtual keyboard to show up, then type in the address, push the "Play" button , and then also push the hard back button to remove the virtual keyboard. With the Android browser, you tap once, it selects the entire address, and the keyboard shows up, you type in the address, go to the site, and the virtual keyboard automatically disappears.
- Also, you obviously can't track compatibility with all websites, but I couldn't get this to work with Yahoo mail, for instance. It states that it's not a supported browser (so maybe Xscope is not telling the website that it's Chrome?)
Thanks for a great app!
@Droiiiiiiiid - at first, I was also having a hard time getting the pin zoom to work consistently. But figured out that it helps to use the edge, or corner of your finger to tap, rather than the flat of the finger. I don't know if you were already doing this - it might be that if we are using the flat part, there's too much surface area, and the screen gets confused (just like typing on too many letters on the virtual keyboard). I've found that I'm much, much, more consistent using the edge/corner of my finger now. (maybe, much later on, the program can let us calibrate the delay/surface area for taps, etc.)
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1 & 2 are in my list. 3 might be related to the way of handling javascript and user agent settings. once they are ready, I will give it a try to see it's fixed.
There are two things in defining double tap or tap-drag zoom. One is the time interval between two taps (100-800ms). Another is repeatability of two taps (20pixels apart). Those values need to be optimized and should be user configurable in the future.
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This is a fantastic product, and I purchased as well to support all your efforts.
A few humble suggestions:
- I think you mentioned you're still working on the search parsing so that the app knows when to do a google search and when to go to a URL; right now, unless somebody can tell me what I am doing wrong, I cannot get XScope to go directly to a URL at all unless I type "http://[url]" - if I leave out the "http" , it defaults to doing a Google search. One shortcut may be to check to see if you have periods (i.e., if I type "cnn.com" and make that go to the URL?
- The tabs are awesome. I am finding that manually entering URL's takes some extra steps. Is there any way to have a short press on the search bar/URL bar mimic the behavior of the stock Android browser? That is, if you select with a finger over the entire URL box, then you select the entire URL address. If you select an area within the box, then you can select a specific character to edit. What I'm finding out in XScope is that I frequently have to take multiple steps to manually put in a URL; I have to first long-press to "select all", then hit the tab again to get the virtual keyboard to show up, then type in the address, push the "Play" button , and then also push the hard back button to remove the virtual keyboard. With the Android browser, you tap once, it selects the entire address, and the keyboard shows up, you type in the address, go to the site, and the virtual keyboard automatically disappears.
- Also, you obviously can't track compatibility with all websites, but I couldn't get this to work with Yahoo mail, for instance. It states that it's not a supported browser (so maybe Xscope is not telling the website that it's Chrome?)
Thanks for a great app!
@Droiiiiiiiid - at first, I was also having a hard time getting the pin zoom to work consistently. But figured out that it helps to use the edge, or corner of your finger to tap, rather than the flat of the finger. I don't know if you were already doing this - it might be that if we are using the flat part, there's too much surface area, and the screen gets confused (just like typing on too many letters on the virtual keyboard). I've found that I'm much, much, more consistent using the edge/corner of my finger now. (maybe, much later on, the program can let us calibrate the delay/surface area for taps, etc.)
1 & 2 are in my list. 3 might be related to the way of handling javascript and user agent settings. once they are ready, I will give it a try to see it's fixed.
There are two things in defining double tap or tap-drag zoom. One is the time interval between two taps (100-800ms). Another is repeatability of two taps (20pixels apart). Those values need to be optimized and should be user configurable in the future.
As for the double tap issues, I noticed that if I open the "draw!" program which converts inputs to virtual ink, it's inconsistent as to how and when it registers those inputs.
So I think, in my case, it might be more a function of the OS or the hardware than settings. But maybe I'm wrong.
