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Old February 21st, 2011, 09:48 PM   #101 (permalink)
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great write-up derek2079. thanks! I was able to do VOIP calls over sipdroid, outgoing and incoming without problem; but one thing missing is the caller ID. All my outgoing calls through sipdroid+GV are shown as "out of area". Is there any setup I should change to make it show up as GV number?

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When I registered with Sipdroid, it only allowed a certain amount of minutes before requiring someone to purchase minutes....Not Free.
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I successfully set up my phone with the OP's instruction and made some phone calls. However, after flashing the phone today, I lost most of the 3rd-party applications. So I had to reinstall everything. Now my problem is that it does not allow to create a new PBX account with my original Google Voice account: it complains that a trunk has already been existing. What can I do? Anyway to get around this? Or do I have to create a totally new Google Voice account?
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When I registered with Sipdroid, it only allowed a certain amount of minutes before requiring someone to purchase minutes....Not Free.
Do you know how many minutes you used before they started wanting to charge? That's something I had never heard about before.
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great write-up derek2079. thanks! I was able to do VOIP calls over sipdroid, outgoing and incoming without problem; but one thing missing is the caller ID. All my outgoing calls through sipdroid+GV are shown as "out of area". Is there any setup I should change to make it show up as GV number?
That's odd. When I called my GV # via Sipdroid, it showed the phone # w/ a 1 in front of it on the Caller ID.
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Do you know how many minutes you used before they started wanting to charge? That's something I had never heard about before.
It stated I had 60 total to use.
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That's odd. When I called my GV # via Sipdroid, it showed the phone # w/ a 1 in front of it on the Caller ID.
After numerous trial and error, I finally figure out what's going on. If I have GV voice setting (from the webpage) with Caller ID(incoming) set with "Display caller's number", my outgoing calls from android phone to my landline, for example, always show "out of area" on my landline. And my incoming calls from my landline to android phone can display my landline's caller ID properly. And if I have Caller ID(incoming) set with "Display my Google Voice number", my outgoing calls from android phone to my landline can now have GV's number shown up properly on my landline, but my incoming calls from my landline now always show up with GV's number. And playing around "Caller ID(outgoing) field makes no difference.

I would like to have Caller ID showing up on both sides of phones properly, I guess I can only get one to work correctly, too bad! Is this what people on the forum expect to see?
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I have sucessfully set up the SIPdroid / GV combination, however when I receive an incoming call both SIPdroid dialer & my phone dialer ring. If i answer the SIP dialer, nothing happens. When I answer the phone dialer, it acts like a normal call.

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I have sucessfully set up the SIPdroid / GV combination, however when I receive an incoming call both SIPdroid dialer & my phone dialer ring. If i answer the SIP dialer, nothing happens. When I answer the phone dialer, it acts like a normal call.

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The reason it calls both is because you have Google Voice set up to forward to both your cell phone number, and to your chat account (which is how it gets to SIPDroid). You can just ignore the cell phone call and answer the SIPDroid one if you are connected to WiFi. Of course, if you have tried answering the SIPDroid and it is not working, you may not have set it up right.
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I've set up my phone working with GV+Sipdroid in the U. S.. Anyone know whether it would still work if I go to Canada?
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Works like a charm, thanks!
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Does this work with BT headsets? Good find!

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I had been looking around for how to do free VoIP calling on my Droid X.

I came across this thread here
Google Voice+Sipgate+Gv App= Free calls (sipsorcery is down)

Apparently this process is outdated and there's a much easier process now.

I'm not sure that many people know about this yet. I know it took me a while to find this myself, so I figured I'd post here.

Here's the article that explains why the process is easier now and how to do it.
Google Voice VoIP on Android just got a lot easier with PBXes peering | Kyle Hasegawa

Quick Summary of the directions.

Get a google voice number and install google voice app.

Install sipdroid (free in market)

Run sipdroid and click the link at the bottom that says new PBX linked to my google voice

Verify your google voice account email is correct and enter your google voice password below (yes, you are giving them your password). Enter your pbxes.org password below that (that's creating a new password, so it can be anything).

Click Configure or Save. I don't recall exactly what it says at that step.

If you want to be able to receive calls as well, you must have Google Chat enabled on the Google Voice website. Go to google voice->voice settings->phones and make sure you have a google chat account there and that it's enabled for forwarding.

Make and Receive VoIP calls using sipdroid. When you make outbound calls, your google voice number will appear as the caller ID. With inbound calls, as long as you have google talk checked off as a forwarding number in google voice and you have sipdroid running, sipdroid will "ring" and you can answer the call over VoIP.

Call history will appear in Google Voice AND on pbxes.org (even if sipdroid isn't open).

You might also have to check off the 3g option if you want to to work on 3g as well as wifi.

I haven't really tested the quality. Would love to see some comments on that.

Seems like this would certainly be nice to use if you are overseas with no cell connection, but can get on wifi. Or maybe if you run out of minutes in a month.

Could be some security implications here and the need to trust pbxes.org, I suppose.
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I've tried a couple times to get this up and running with no success.

A couple things I've noticed in my attempts. First, when creating the pbx account through sipdroid, there are boxes for my gmail password, but not one to create a pbx password. Looking at the pbxes.org site, I can log in and see that they've created a random password for me. Shouldn't matter, but thought I'd bring it up.

Secondly, one of the earlier posts mentioned that you have to have Google Talk installed on the phone. I don't and can't find it in the market. I assume he meant Google Voice, but thought I'd ask.

Everything looks to be in order based on all the posts here, but I can't get pbxes to register on the phone. On the top of my home screen (notification bar?) I see a yellow dot that says it's registering, then it goes to red Registration Failed (timeout).

Not sure where to go next.

I've deleted my pbxes account and uninstalled Sipdroid, and then started over, but get the same results.

Any suggestions? Thanks!
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I've tried a couple times to get this up and running with no success.

A couple things I've noticed in my attempts. First, when creating the pbx account through sipdroid, there are boxes for my gmail password, but not one to create a pbx password. Looking at the pbxes.org site, I can log in and see that they've created a random password for me. Shouldn't matter, but thought I'd bring it up.

Secondly, one of the earlier posts mentioned that you have to have Google Talk installed on the phone. I don't and can't find it in the market. I assume he meant Google Voice, but thought I'd ask.

Everything looks to be in order based on all the posts here, but I can't get pbxes to register on the phone. On the top of my home screen (notification bar?) I see a yellow dot that says it's registering, then it goes to red Registration Failed (timeout).

Not sure where to go next.

I've deleted my pbxes account and uninstalled Sipdroid, and then started over, but get the same results.

Any suggestions? Thanks!
Yes, you must have Google Voice and have received a Google Voice #.

Re: the password---enter what your gmail password is. (Some people might get nervous giving someone like pboxes their gmail password & you may get a security alert from gmail, but it is necessary for this trick to work.)
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Yes, you must have Google Voice and have received a Google Voice #.

Re: the password---enter what your gmail password is. (Some people might get nervous giving someone like pboxes their gmail password & you may get a security alert from gmail, but it is necessary for this trick to work.)

I do have Google Voice set up on my phone and online. Just not Google Talk, which seems to be a IM application.

Regarding the password, I did enter my Google Voice password, I was just pointing out that there was not a third box to create a PBXes password. But when I log into the PBXes.org account, it shows a new password that looks like was automatically generated.

I'll try changing that to my gmail password (on the PBXes site and on the Sipdroid settings) to see if that makes a difference.

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I do have Google Voice set up on my phone and online. Just not Google Talk, which seems to be a IM application.

Regarding the password, I did enter my Google Voice password, I was just pointing out that there was not a third box to create a PBXes password. But when I log into the PBXes.org account, it shows a new password that looks like was automatically generated.

I'll try changing that to my gmail password (on the PBXes site and on the Sipdroid settings) to see if that makes a difference.

Thanks

Making some progress here, but still not able to make calls. I changed the password as described above, and now I get the green light telling me that Sipdroid/PBX is registered.

So I made a call, and it looks like it starts to work. But the phone I called (my office phone) never rings, and then after about 5 seconds, the Sipdroid dialer goes from green to red and the call ends.

BTW, I've set up Sipdroid to work over 3G and wifi, and the signals on both seem good.
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Sounds exactly like what I went through yesterday. Did the uninstall-re-install. It worked until I fiddled a bit. Then I spent half a day to get the green light for registered. The second half of the day was dedicated to getting rid of the two-second hangup.

My pbxes login was the same as my gmail login.
My SIP account in the sipdroid app is [my-gmail-login]-200 (the pbxes extension). My SIP account password is, I believe (too much fiddling yesterday to be certain), the generated password in my pbxes Extension. It should have been pre-populated anyway. I just know because password was a field I fiddled with.

Oddly, what got me going was a change in sipdroid under my SIP account, to check all three of "Use WLAN", "Use 3G", and "Use Edge". Previous to that I only had "Use WLAN" checked, because that's all I was interested in. I can't be sure that wasn't just a coincidence, because I was changing to have sipdroid use another, new gmail/google voice account, so it might have instead been a matter of timing, where pbxes and Google finally got their databases updated at that moment. But the expert at this thread in post #284 recommended it, so that's why I did it. Voila, success.

Your PC's Google Voice "Voice Settings" under "Phone" needs to have Google Chat checked as a "forward to", but you probably know that.
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Sounds exactly like what I went through yesterday. Did the uninstall-re-install. It worked until I fiddled a bit. Then I spent half a day to get the green light for registered. The second half of the day was dedicated to getting rid of the two-second hangup.

My pbxes login was the same as my gmail login.
My SIP account in the sipdroid app is [my-gmail-login]-200 (the pbxes extension). My SIP account password is, I believe (too much fiddling yesterday to be certain), the generated password in my pbxes Extension. It should have been pre-populated anyway. I just know because password was a field I fiddled with.

Oddly, what got me going was a change in sipdroid under my SIP account, to check all three of "Use WLAN", "Use 3G", and "Use Edge". Previous to that I only had "Use WLAN" checked, because that's all I was interested in. I can't be sure that wasn't just a coincidence, because I was changing to have sipdroid use another, new gmail/google voice account, so it might have instead been a matter of timing, where pbxes and Google finally got their databases updated at that moment. But the expert at this thread in post #284 recommended it, so that's why I did it. Voila, success.

Your PC's Google Voice "Voice Settings" under "Phone" needs to have Google Chat checked as a "forward to", but you probably know that.
Thanks. Still doesn't work fully, but I'm getting there! The green light still comes on showing that I'm registered to PBXes, and I'm able to dial out, but I immediately get a recorded message telling me that the call can't be completed as dialed.

I'll keep trying. Thanks
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The green light still comes on showing that I'm registered to PBXes, and I'm able to dial out, but I immediately get a recorded message telling me that the call can't be completed as dialed.
I was hoping I wouldn't have to suggest reading this entire thread on the subject on the DroidX forum like I did (unfortunately, I had to go through 29 pages to find something that worked for me). The OP there has been wonderful, answering everyone's questions.
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what did u do to fix it. thats a long thread. im having the same problem. but i did try to use titanium back up to restore mine now it still gives me the same problem though.

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I was hoping I wouldn't have to suggest reading this entire thread on the subject on the DroidX forum like I did (unfortunately, I had to go through 29 pages to find something that worked for me). The OP there has been wonderful, answering everyone's questions.
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Thanks. Still doesn't work fully, but I'm getting there! The green light still comes on showing that I'm registered to PBXes, and I'm able to dial out, but I immediately get a recorded message telling me that the call can't be completed as dialed.

I'll keep trying. Thanks

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what did u do to fix it. thats a long thread. im having the same problem. but i did try to use titanium back up to restore mine now it still gives me the same problem though.
My sipdroid symptom was immediate hangups after dialing. The last thing I did before it started working was to change, in sipdroid under my SIP account, to check all three of "Use WLAN", "Use 3G", and "Use Edge". Then I tried again and it worked, no hangups. Nevertheless, I'm still not sure that's what fixed it, because on a previous day when it worked, I only had "Use WLAN" checked. As explained in an earlier post, in my situation it might have instead been a coincidence, because I had made changes a few hours earlier to Google Voice and to my pbxes account to have a new Google Voice number. Maybe the two databases finally caught up at that moment, I don't know.
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Now I'm wondering if you aren't having trouble with your SIP account password (in the sipdroid app).

This post gives details.

Essentially,
These username/password values are all the same:
= Google gmail
= Google Voice
= pbxes.org login [Note 1]
= what's listed at pbxes.org/Trunks/GTALK/[yourGmailAddress]

These two Authorization Username and password values are the same:
= pbxes.org/Extensions/Sipdroid<200>
= sipdroid app under Settings/SIP Account

That last item is possibly the problem. It is originally auto-populated, but Password may possibly change. Worth a shot, especially before you uninstall/re-install.

[Note 1] exception: if you started a pbxes.org account under a different Google Voice number, then the pbxes.org login would be for that original Gmail/Google Voice account. This would be true if you followed Post 1 in the link above (which sends you to Post 36), to use a separate Google Voice account from your main one because you have privacy fears due to the username/password being stored in the clear (under your password) at pbxes.org (under Trunks/GTALK).
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thanx for the help. i forgot i had changed my gmail password the other week. i hadnt used this sipdroid since then. that fixed my out bound call problem. i can now make out bound calls but cannot recieve them. i went in and changed the pbxes trunk to the one that is the same as my the google voice account i was using but that made it so i had no out or in bound calls. so i just changed it back to the same one as my gmail account onthe phone. which gives me outbound calls. but no inbound calls. i looked at the link u put up and followed the directions. didnt work for me. thank u for ur time and help i give up. and will jsut deal with it like it is. it would have been nice to have it working as i have no phone service at the moment. but for the most part i dont like talkingon the phone anyway. i can txt with google voice.

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Now I'm wondering if you aren't having trouble with your SIP account password (in the sipdroid app).

This post gives details.

Essentially,
These username/password values are all the same:
= Google gmail
= Google Voice
= pbxes.org login [Note 1]
= what's listed at pbxes.org/Trunks/GTALK/[yourGmailAddress]

These two Authorization Username and password values are the same:
= pbxes.org/Extensions/Sipdroid<200>
= sipdroid app under Settings/SIP Account

That last item is possibly the problem. It is originally auto-populated, but Password may possibly change. Worth a shot, especially before you uninstall/re-install.

[Note 1] exception: if you started a pbxes.org account under a different Google Voice number, then the pbxes.org login would be for that original Gmail/Google Voice account. This would be true if you followed Post 1 in the link above (which sends you to Post 36), to use a separate Google Voice account from your main one because you have privacy fears due to the username/password being stored in the clear (under your password) at pbxes.org (under Trunks/GTALK).
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Before anyone tells all of their friends, family, and business contacts to start using their Google Voice phone number, keep in mind that Google has indicated that they will start charging for those numbers next year. So depending on Google's pricing, you may end up telling everyone to start calling you at your real phone number in January 2012.

I'd like to be able to flip a switch so that Sprint would forward my calls to a SIP account when I'm overseas in WiFi coverage. I don't even care if they debit it against my minutes. I'd just like for the phone to be used internationally.
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Before anyone tells all of their friends, family, and business contacts to start using their Google Voice phone number, keep in mind that Google has indicated that they will start charging for those numbers next year. So depending on Google's pricing, you may end up telling everyone to start calling you at your real phone number in January 2012.
Source, please.

All they've said is that making calls using google voice inside of gmail will be free through 2011. Originally, they had said through 2010.

No real reason to think it won't get extended again or even that it'll have any effect on using google voice through a regular telephone or android/iphone app.
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Google just announced it a few day ago. Google it.

Google and everybody else will probably continue to allow free PC-to-PC calls forever since that doesn't cost anything. But there is no way that Google (or anybody else) can afford to give out local phone numbers and let people make free phone-to-phone long distance calls forever (as I'm doing now with Google Voice). That costs them money, and they're currently getting no offsetting revenue from that service. It's been obvious from the outset that their plan is to get you to use one of their phone numbers as your primary number, and then start charging you once you've convinced everybody you know to start calling you at that number. Maybe their fees will be completely worth it. But rest assured that sooner or later you'll have to pay the piper.

In the meantime, one big drawback of using a Google Voice phone number and transferring those calls to your cell phone is that any would-be "free mobile-to-mobile minutes" will count against your "anytime" minutes.
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Source, please.

I didn't think so.

Stop spreading wrong rumors.
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Lex: I think you either don't understand what I'm saying, or you don't understand the phone business. I'm not talking about Google Voice as in PC-to-PC calls. That stuff is free forever. I'm talking about Google Voice as in the service where they give you a local phone number that you can forward to any other number (like your cell phone or home phone). Unlike the trivial cost of a Gmail acccount, Google has to pay a significant recurring fee to the CLECs for each of those phone numbers that they are currently giving away for free. So unlike Gmail, Google can't keep giving those numbers away for free. No way.

You and I are looking at the same announcements where Google says that Google Voice will be free at least through 2011. You seem to interpret that to mean that it will be free forever. I interpret that to mean that they will eventually charge for it.

You never hear Google say that Gmail will be free at least through 2011. Right? That's because Gmail costs them almost nothing and they have no plans to charge for it. But I can guarantee you that eventually they'll charge a recurring fee for a Google Voice number because they have to pay a significant recurring fee to buy and retain those phone numbers.

Do you have a source that says Google Voice will be free forever? I didn't think so.

Why do you think Google makes announcements that Google Voice will be free at least until 2011, but they don't announce that Gmail will be free at least until 2011?
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That being said, I do thank you, Lex, for posting the instructions for using Google Voice and SipDroid. The next time I go on an international business trip, I'll just leave an outbound message telling people to call me at my Google Voice number so they can reach me via SIP.
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You proclaimed there was a recent announcement saying it won't be free after 2011. Please post a source. I didn't proclaim anything.

Stop saying people to not use gv when you have zero basis for it. It's just a guess on your part.
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RassMaTazz,

You're also speculating as if there's no value to Google in offering Google Voice. I've always thought it might be another avenue to suck up our contacts. Gmail use only requires a few easily remembered e-mail addresses, which can mostly be accumulated on the fly from received e-mails. But to use a phone, we don't want to look up each 10-digit number and type the number in. So we're more tempted to import all our contacts into Gmail just so we can use Google Talk more easily. (Android itself is another contact-sucking free service, much moreso than Google Voice.)

Of course, I'm also speculating. We all have to speculate about any long-run free service (like this re-incarnation of Grand Central). There must be something in it for Google. I believe I also heard that they may be, or hope they can eventually be making enough in overseas toll revenues to defray the costs. I don't know. But just because we don't know the value proposition, doesn't mean it's not there.

As a gullible noob (a little over a week of Android, and running sipdroid), I'm grateful to Lex for questioning your statement that Google "will start charging," as I'm sure some others are also.
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So I just signed up for my Google Voice number, even though with any mobile any time i dont really have any issue at all with the amount of minutes I use. Is there still benefit to this for me?

Also, is anyone else concerned with offering up the gmail password in order to do this?

Thanks for the write-up though, seems straightforward and easy. Just want to clarify the security first.
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Of course I did. I have followed every steps in every post in here. It just won't work for me :/

hey there
i read all the post of this thread...and i hav seen that even if u couldnt configure ur own ac..still u helping ppl..
well i was also facing the same problem as u were facing..but somehow i m able to configure...i can share what i did...so u can do that as well..
that is if ur ac is still not configured...
just let me know..so i can share what i did...and where i was goin wrong..
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Hey, thank you for the great post. I was wondering if maybe you had a mirror of the blog this was posted on? I can't get it to load for the life of me. Is anyone else having this issue?
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Lex: You're dealing in semantics rather than addressing the harsh reality of my point. Yes, Google said that Google Voice will be free through 2011. No, they didn't specifically say that they would absolutely, positively charge for it after 2011. But it's pretty easy to read between the lines, especially if you know (as I do from working in the industry) that they are incurring significant recurring charges for each phone number that they hand out. (That's why Skype, Magic Jack, et al have to charge an annual fee for assigning you a real phone number.)

It's interesting that you avoided answering my question about why Google doesn't make announcements about Gmail being free at least until 2011, but Google does make announcements that Google Voice will be free at least through 2011. Can't you answer that for me, please?

Are you saying that you seriously think Google won't charge for a Google Voice number for the next 4 years?

I didn't say that people should NOT use Google Voice. I said that before they tell everybody they know to stop calling their real phone number and start calling a Google Voice number, they had better beware that Google will start charging them a recurring fee for that phone number. And if Google's pricing is higher than they are willing to pay for the convenience, then they may have to tell all of their friends, family, and business contacts to start calling them at their real number.

I love Google Voice. I've grabbed about 10 local Google Voice numbers (with 10 phantom gmail accounts) which enables me to make free long-distance calls to my long-distance friends and family from my home phone. I hope Google offers that service for free forever, but that's obviously not sustainable. So I can absolutely guarantee you that they'll start charging. And until I see their pricing structure, I'm not going to tell over a thousand friends family, and business contacts to start calling me at Google Voice number that I may end up abandoning in a year or two when Google decides to start charging.

However, I respect anybody's decision to take that risk-- especially those who only have a few dozen contacts.

I'm really looking foward to your direct answers to the above 2 questions. Thanks.
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Ok, I finally have time to reply from my PC, so let's put an end to this.

First of all, it's you who started this by making a statement that, I quote, "keep in mind that Google has indicated that they will start charging for those numbers next year."

I just accurately refuted that statement, which is incorrect. I don't need to answer any other questions. I don't want people here to be misled.

Also, you are completely misunderstanding what they did announce.

See this article from Google itself.
Google Voice Blog: Free calling in Gmail extended through 2011
It's titled "Free calling in Gmail extended through 2011".

What they did announce is that using google voice through the gmail web interface will be free through 2011.

They haven't said a thing either way about free calling when using google voice through a traditional phone interface.

They very well might have some sort of revenue sharing agreement for termination fees and may be able to support the service in some fashion that way. They would make some sense as to why they would eliminate free calling via the internet.

When I make a google voice call from my Verizon Wireless phone using the app, Verizon Wireless is making an outbound call to some number (in the case of the call I just made, it's to 617-871-9263) to connect to the GV system. That number is serviced by Bandwidth.com. Verizon Wireless has to pay Bandwidth.com a fee to terminate that call. I pay for terminating the call as part of my Verizon Wireless bill. It's quite possible that Bandwidth.com is paying part of that fee back to google. Of course then google has to make an outbound call to connect you and they have a cost of that, but things might not be as negative as it might seem on the outside. Bandwidth.com charges probably somewhere between $.0075/min and $.009/min to the originating carrier to terminate that call and Google probably pays somewhere around $.008/min to make the outbound call. So, if google voice is getting a chunk of that terminating fee, they aren't doing as bad as it would seem.

Again, now you see why they might not want free calls via gmail. There's no originating call to get revenue back from.

If I haven't convinced you that you are wrong yet, I never will and I'm done replying.
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jj2me: I'm not speculating that there's no value in Google Voice services. I'm saying that Google can't afford to give out free phone numbers to anybody who wants one, free of charge because each of those phone numbers costs Google a significant recurring fee. If the economics were there, then Skype, et al, would have done it years ago. The gravy train will end, but I will happily ride it until it goes off a cliff. I'll admit that I'm speculating... much like we're all speculating that the sun will rise tomorrow. :-) I'm also speculating that Lex will never answer my simple questions.
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Hey, thank you for the great post. I was wondering if maybe you had a mirror of the blog this was posted on? I can't get it to load for the life of me. Is anyone else having this issue?
Not working for me either and I don't have a mirror or copy anywhere, sorry.
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Lex: It's interesting that you took the time to write all of those paragraphs but you couldn't bother to answer my two simple questions. That speaks volumes. Thanks.
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Wow, are you ever clueless.

I'm not sure you read or understood anything I wrote.

I'm done with you. At this point you are just a troll. I will not be replying on this subject again. Enjoy your last word, which I'm sure you'll take.
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anyone using bluetooth to make n receive calls...
as for me

when i try to call or receive...when my bluetooth is connected..the call is connected but i cant hear anythin..
and sometime when i hear it....the other party cant hear it...
though i know its on experimental basis..still just askin...
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Lex: I understood exactly what you wrote. I also understand that despite all of what you wrote, you still refuse to answer my 2 simple questions which strike at the heart of my initial warning-- that Google has effectively indicated that they'll eventually charge for Google Voice numbers, so people should beware before they tell everybody they know to start calling them at a Google Voice number.

Instead of addressing that key point or answering my simple questions, you repeatedly avoid answering by changing the subject, harping on semantics, name-calling me "clueless" and a "troll", and ultimately just saying that you refuse to answer. Apparently you think that's the way civilized adults make intelligent counterpoints. Since you have repeatedly refused to answer those simple questions, I'll assume that you also believe that Google will eventually charge for Google Voice numbers, and therefore my warning is reasonable.
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Before anyone tells all of their friends, family, and business contacts to start using their Google Voice phone number, keep in mind that Google has indicated that they will start charging for those numbers next year. So depending on Google's pricing, you may end up telling everyone to start calling you at your real phone number in January 2012.

I'd like to be able to flip a switch so that Sprint would forward my calls to a SIP account when I'm overseas in WiFi coverage. I don't even care if they debit it against my minutes. I'd just like for the phone to be used internationally.
Google will not start charging for inbound calling. Just for outbound (Maybe) after 2011.
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Just wanted to let you all know that this works just fine overseas. Am in Munich, Germany, the only issue is finding a hotspot. Before my trip, I added funds to my Google Voice account, thinking it would be necessary (per Google Voice, they charge you for calling internationally), but after using the line numerous times, all that money is still there.

Never the less, it works. It drops out sporadically, but it beats having to buy a second phone altogether.
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Just wanted to let you all know that this works just fine overseas. Am in Munich, Germany, the only issue is finding a hotspot. Before my trip, I added funds to my Google Voice account, thinking it would be necessary (per Google Voice, they charge you for calling internationally), but after using the line numerous times, all that money is still there.

Never the less, it works. It drops out sporadically, but it beats having to buy a second phone altogether.
If you are calling US and Canada, it's free
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Just wanted to let you all know that this works just fine overseas. Am in Munich, Germany, the only issue is finding a hotspot.
Thanks for reporting that back. If you get can internet access abroad, this is a great way to communicate back with the US and save a lot of money.
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PSkeptic: Google won't likely start charging for inbound calling per se, but they will eventually start charging a recurring fee for you to have a dedicated Google Voice phone number which can receive phone calls. Google has to pay the phone company for each such Google Voice number. (It's about $10-$12/year last time I looked into it.) So eventually Google will start charging a recurring fee of probably at least that amount. More likely, I'd guess that they'll start charging around $19.95/year for unlimited domestic long distance (and inbound calls) like Magic Jack, except that they'll have cooler features than Magic Jack, like voice-to-text and easily assigning the phone to ring at multiple, easily configurable locations. Google's service may well be worth the price that they'll eventually charge, so I wish they'd quickly figure out their pricing and announce it.
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I was hoping I wouldn't have to suggest reading this entire thread on the subject on the DroidX forum like I did (unfortunately, I had to go through 29 pages to find something that worked for me). The OP there has been wonderful, answering everyone's questions.
Thanks jj. I'm sure that's where the op ran across it.

I've included illustrations since my original post. It should be pretty easy to follow.
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how do I get incoming calls to work with sipdroid, outgoing works just fine, please help
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