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Old February 10th, 2011, 01:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Whats an app that sends sms with a fake number?

Maybe its for the iphone but my buddy was sending me weird stuff like "muhamud jihad aderka derka" lol and stuff like that but it was from different numbers

so just wondering if anyone knows about it?

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One, that's illegal. Two, I don't think there are any.
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There was one called SMS MAYHEM - and I don't think it's illegal anymore than the caller ID faker is illegal.

It's not longer in the market - and the website isn't updated - - -but if you find the .apk anywhere.. by all means - let me know.
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there is one... cuz he used it on me just a few days ago haha

why would that be illegal?

and the caller id thing is still there you get 2 free minutes then have to pay for the rest
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and I don't think it's illegal anymore than the caller ID faker is illegal.
The caller Id faker apps ARE illegal, and sending a text with a fake number is just as illegal as calling someone with a fake number.
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The caller Id faker apps ARE illegal, and sending a text with a fake number is just as illegal as calling someone with a fake number.
why???
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Misrepresentation.
The same reason it's your real face on your ID/passport.
The same reason the west doesn't want muslimas in burkas in public. You don't know who or what is really hiding behind that veil.
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Misrepresentation.
The same reason it's your real face on your ID/passport.
ID/Passport is government stuff

this is like private companies lol
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ID/Passport is government stuff

this is like private companies lol
So private companies misrepresenting themselves, their products, or their customers is OK?
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I really don't think its illegal... I have an app called spoofpro and I can change my number, voice, and record it. Its a legit app from a legit company called Itellas. I use it all the time but the difference with the text idea is that the call isn't placed directly from the phone and provider. It is directed thru Itellas and then routed to the person your calling. And the company states that its for novelty use and that any illegal use the company will work with law inforcement and disclose information.
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So private companies misrepresenting themselves, their products, or their customers is OK?
i agree! its like a dude dressing up as a chick... totally should be illegal lol

but i dont think it is until some ******ed people abuse it otherwise it wouldnt be on the market i think
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I too, do not think it is illegal at all. Are you able to link some legislation that shows this is illegal? No offense, but it sounds like you are of the opinion that it should be illegal and thus are justifying accordingly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_spoofing
According to the wiki it is only illegal in Australia.
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i think its a state by state thing aka the area code ur phone is attached to but dont quote me on that
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Just thought I would add, there are free SMS services one can sign up for in order to use their data to send the SMS. This also assigns you a number that you can acquire when signing up with fake information if you wanted to. I don't see how that is any different.
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Misrepresentation.
The same reason it's your real face on your ID/passport.
The same reason the west doesn't want muslimas in burkas in public. You don't know who or what is really hiding behind that veil.
And u must put real name on intenret forum and on MSN becouse your real face is on ID ...
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Just because you want it to be illegal, or may think it should be - doesn't mean it is.

Here's EVERYTHING you'd ever want to know about ID spoofing... and nope - it's not illegal.

Caller ID Spoofing - Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Caller ID Spoofing - CallerIDSpoofing.info


It may change one day - but right now it isn't illegal.

Nor is SMS spoofing.

and it's on a FEDERAL level.. not state by state... Phone call laws in general are federal these days.
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Just because you want it to be illegal, or may think it should be - doesn't mean it is.

Here's EVERYTHING you'd ever want to know about ID spoofing... and nope - it's not illegal.

Caller ID Spoofing - Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Caller ID Spoofing - CallerIDSpoofing.info


It may change one day - but right now it isn't illegal.

Nor is SMS spoofing.

and it's on a FEDERAL level.. not state by state... Phone call laws in general are federal these days.
awesome!!! and thats why i coudlnt find any apps... i didnt know the terminology haha
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I'm not going to say yes or no about this. But when I was looking for way to do this a year or so ago, I read on several spoofing web sites where it IS illegal in the US. I don't know anything other than what I read.

I would pay attention to this part in that article up there ^^^.
For example, if Caller ID spoofing is uses to deceive or defraud, by posing as a police officer or a bank, then separate crimes have already been committed. This bill would add an additional crime to existing charges where Caller ID spoofing is used.
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I'm not going to say yes or no about this. But when I was looking for way to do this a year or so ago, I read on several spoofing web sites where it IS illegal in the US. I don't know anything other than what I read.

I would pay attention to this part in that article up there ^^^.
For example, if Caller ID spoofing is uses to deceive or defraud, by posing as a police officer or a bank, then separate crimes have already been committed. This bill would add an additional crime to existing charges where Caller ID spoofing is used.
exactly the kinda idiots i was talking about.

and btw... i couldnt find any on fake sms-ing just calling

anyone know of any of those? lol
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DailyTech - Caller ID Spoofing Now Illegal in the U.S.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h1258rh.t xt.pdf

According to that website, and the pdf of the House Bill, caller id spoofing IS illegal in the entire US. And by reading that bill, it seems like ANY kind of spoofing, even text spoofing because it still shows your phone number, is illegal.
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its not illegal, maybe if you send it to a fed. facility in a threatening manner
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DailyTech - Caller ID Spoofing Now Illegal in the U.S.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h1258rh.t xt.pdf

According to that website, and the pdf of the House Bill, caller id spoofing IS illegal in the entire US. And by reading that bill, it seems like ANY kind of spoofing, even text spoofing because it still shows your phone number, is illegal.
android wouldnt allow it in the market if it was illigal
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its not illegal, maybe if you send it to a fed. facility in a threatening manner
It's illegal whoever you do it to. By that thinking, it wouldn't be illegal to kill someone, as long as they arent a cop...

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Most called id spoofing apps ARE taken off the market.
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There are many illegal apps in the market (all the music downloading apps for instance) - but the iphone market is a lot tougher.

And bluff my call is in the iphone market -

As it stands now - it's not illegal over a cellphone. And it's only illegal on a landline if the intent is to defraud.

I do think it's a situation where it will probably eventually become illegal - but it isn't as of right now.
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I still don't see how it is then legal to use an app that sends an SMS/MMS over your internet connection as a real SMS/MMS to someone else.

http://www.appbrain.com/app/heywire%3A-free-sms-worldwide/com.mediafriends.chime

This would be one of those apps in question. With this I can impersonate anyone I want. All it actually takes is signing up for the service free of charge.
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I still don't see how it is then legal to use an app that sends an SMS/MMS over your internet connection as a real SMS/MMS to someone else.

HeyWire: Free SMS Worldwide - Android app on AppBrain

This would be one of those apps in question. With this I can impersonate anyone I want. All it actually takes is signing up for the service free of charge.
I'm not positive about that app, but I'm pretty sure all the texting websites, where you can send texts online instead of from your phone, DONT use a real person's cell number. yes, it uses a real phone number, but that's different from these spoofing apps, where you could send a text or call and make it look like you are somebody else.
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I mean honestly do you think in today's world you will be able to spoof? Lol ooh boy No Such Agency wants you to think that. If they want you found then you would he found.
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Calling someone or SMSing with a different number is not illegal at all. If it was, things like Skype Out would be illegal. When I use my phone to Skype Out or Skype SMS, people often see a Hong Kong(+852xxxxxxxx) or sometimes a Shanghai(+8621xxxxxxxx) number, but I'm nowhere near these places. When I call the UK, people see a British(+44xxxxxxxxxx) number, even though I'm in China.
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http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h1258rh.t xt.pdf

According to that website, and the pdf of the House Bill, caller id spoofing IS illegal in the entire US. And by reading that bill, it seems like ANY kind of spoofing, even text spoofing because it still shows your phone number, is illegal.
Any idea how Skype Out works with this in the US? Because AFAIK Skype always gives false and seemingly random numbers for Skype Out calls. Does Skype Out operate differently here, as regards caller ID?
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Any idea how Skype Out works with this in the US? Because AFAIK Skype always gives false and seemingly random numbers for Skype Out calls. Does Skype Out operate differently here, as regards caller ID?
skype sucks... you get like 10 seconds of free call
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I pay for Skype Out national and international phone calls. Very cheap, but not free. This does doesn't suck at all.
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hi, this is an application for the iphone user called mysmsfriend.
also created some funny sms to my friends, i think this app is funny not illegal!
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hi, this is an application for the iphone user called mysmsfriend.
also created some funny sms to my friends, i think this app is funny not illegal!
Well, first, this is an Android forum, not an iphone forum.

Second, just because you think its funny and not illegal, doesn't mean its not.
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Well, first, this is an Android forum, not an iphone forum.

Second, just because you think its funny and not illegal, doesn't mean its not.
i thought we already established that basically its not illegal... lol
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No we didn't. He just cant get it into his head that it's illegal.
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illegal? I don't think so.

SmsTouch for the iPhone has this feature. I've been using it for well over a year and it's even on the App Store. When I switched over to Android I tried to find an app like it. Because of my work and lifestyle I carry multiple sim cards. So now that that's cleared up, are there any apps on Android that allow a person to send an sms from whatever number they chose?
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illegal? I don't think so.

SmsTouch for the iPhone has this feature. I've been using it for well over a year and it's even on the App Store. When I switched over to Android I tried to find an app like it. Because of my work and lifestyle I carry multiple sim cards. So now that that's cleared up, are there any apps on Android that allow a person to send an sms from whatever number they chose?

First, thanks for bringing up a month old thread. Second, Just because the iphone allows it, doesnt mean its legal. Third, I posted a link here:

Whats an app that sends sms with a fake number?

that proves its illegal.
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Illegal or not if you dont like the views posted thats fine don't respond. If it turns out to be illegal whatever you were warned. All spoofing apps even if you do trust that its not illegal should be USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.

If some guy you dont know goes to jail for spoofing who cares! Illegal or not is irrelivant the question was where do you get the apps to do it not the legality.
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If some guy you dont know goes to jail for spoofing who cares! Illegal or not is irrelivant the question was where do you get the apps to do it not the legality.
Which if you read the forum rules, we don't talk about Illegal Activities here.
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If moderators think its illegal they will close the tread problem solved. You cant fight in a grey area which is what spoofing is right now. Its like torrents in Canada its not illegal but one day it probably will be.

Also I read through the guidelines to see and talking about illegal app, however frowned upon it probably is is not in there (links to illegal apps however are). Therefore talking about what exists from a purely "knoledge based" standpoint is not against the rules. But actively aiding the distribution is.
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if sending a SMS message from the wrong number is illegal, how come the verizon website lets ANYONE with a verizon phone number do it for free?
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First, thanks for bringing up a month old thread. Second, Just because the iphone allows it, doesnt mean its legal. Third, I posted a link here:

Whats an app that sends sms with a fake number?

that proves its illegal.
So basically what you're saying is Apple, the same Apple that notoriously and anally moderates what is allowed on their app store, has allowed this and ONLY this one illegal product to stay on their for years? lol

I don't think so. Maybe you should look again. This is NOT a cydia app. This is an App Store product. So either 1) Apple has a shitty legal department, 2) this developer has Steve Jobs on speed dial (hey Steve-o, my smstouch app, just let this one slip under the radar ok buddy? we still on for golf next weekend?), or 3) you're full of shit.

SMS touch for iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad on the iTunes App Store
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there is one... cuz he used it on me just a few days ago haha

why would that be illegal?

and the caller id thing is still there you get 2 free minutes then have to pay for the rest

Haven't used it yet... but there's one from the Amazon Appstore called Caller ID Faker...
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Which if you read the forum rules, we don't talk about Illegal Activities here.
I suppose if you didn't like it... you could always REPORT IT instead of going off on some "Hero Rant..."
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I suppose if you didn't like it... you could always REPORT IT instead of going off on some "Hero Rant..."
And you could refrain from making posts that have nothing to do with the thread topic.
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Pretty sure it started somewhere...

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Which if you read the forum rules, we don't talk about Illegal Activities here.
Did that have to do with the thread topic??

Rather than answering the question of what the app was called, someone had to go off on an ethical rant.

Don't think that was the question.
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Pretty sure it started somewhere...



Did that have to do with the thread topic??

Rather than answering the question of what the app was called, someone had to go off on an ethical rant.

Don't think that was the question.
Ok, now BOTH of you are reported... happy now?
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Thanks, I appreciate it.

I bet I'm gonna get in BIG TROUBLE. I should probably leave the forums.

People on moderator trips... are trippin! Authority Envy?



The bill makes it illegal "to cause any caller ID service to transmit misleading or inaccurate caller ID information, with the intent to defraud and deceive."

It applies to both land lines and voice-over-IP networks (VoIP) and any other "real time voice communications service, regardless of the technology or network utilized."


OP... were you going to defraud anyone... and were you calling anyone? I didn't see you say that.
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If moderators think its illegal they will close the tread problem solved.
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