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Hey, thanks for this accidental tip. I didn't realize the price was going to be going up. So I purchased it today. Had it on my Treo and found it pretty useful.
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I'm still a T/X user. I carry both my Samsung Moment and my T/X. I got the Moment to replace AvantGo and Vindigo. Sprint has free Mobile to Mobile, free after 7 p.m., enough minutes and unlimited text and browsing. I'm having a lot of fun playing with the apps but they don't touch the apps on my T/X so far.
Palm Fiction, Mobi Office, NVBackup and the PIM applications still rule.
Thanks for your many suggestions. I'll try the apps but I'll continue to use my T/X.
I was pretty sad when AvantGo went. Try NewsRoom on your Moment -- it really is a very good looking RSS reader... to the point where (I think) it puts AvantGo to shame.
Hey, thanks for this accidental tip. I didn't realize the price was going to be going up. So I purchased it today. Had it on my Treo and found it pretty useful.
Do you have BeamReader installed...? Could you do a comparison on how does DtG's PDF reader compare with it...?
Do you have BeamReader installed...? Could you do a comparison on how does DtG's PDF reader compare with it...?
THX in advance.
Well, I did have Beam Reader installed on my Droid, and I just went to do the comparison for you, when Beam Reader said, "This demo has expired." So there it goes.
I noticed on the download site in the Market, that it's $1.99 until the end of February, though.
From what I remembered, both Beam Reader and Docs to Go were very comparable. I never had a problem with either of them.
Daily paper is a free newspaper app like Newsroom with the same or better features. I'd also suggest Nubi News with feeds for the Economist, the New Yorker, Wired, Engadget and many more. Google News is interesting after the update.
Installed Google Calendar Sync so that don't have to manage the calendar online (now in Outlook).
Replaced OI Notepad with AK NotePad. The latter provides a large "add note" button on the main screen.
Replaced Handcent SMS with chompSMS. The latter is less customizable but seems to quicker and more efficient, especially on elder devices.
Installed FoxyRing. Which among other things (sleep-hour, locale-based ringtones...), has a really nice feature - It analyzes the ambient noise level and adjust your ringtone volume automatically.
Switched to E2ECloud's quick switch widgets. Nothing special, they just look more compatible with different wallpapers.
Switched from OI Shopping List to ToMarket Lite. Still no HandyShopper through.
I subscribed specifically to thank you for this thread, and to hopefully contribute myself. I've used Palm devices as my only PIM for 8 years, and it's hard to peel my fingers off of my Clie even now!
I've been trying out shopping/list apps like crazy, to replace SplashShopper, but while there are a ton of apps out there, none are quite right. I want to keep multiple lists (shopping, packing, gifts, etc, and then within each list have categories and columns. So far, each Android app I've tried has been close, but awkward. Since Splash did bring ID to Android, I'm hoping that Shopper will come along soon, too.
Former decade long palm user that loves android now. I am trying note everything.....still working out a few bugs. Their tech people seem quite responsive.
Just for fun, here's a list of the top Palm apps I depend upon, and some of the equivalent Android apps that I'm either using or trying out. Suggestions are welcome! Palm ----------------Android
Docs to Go-----------Docs to Go Lite
I didn't use DTG a lot on my Palm, but I depended upon it to sync a few important items to have on hand at all times, like reference spreadsheets. The lack of a sync on the new one has prevented me from paying anything.
NetFront-------------Dolphin & XScope Lite
Browsing is 1000% better on the Android, and I'm still debating between the two above browsers. I use Xmarks and have it as my home page on both to coordinate from home.
Audioplayer----------Stock Player & TuneWiki
The difficulty in making playlists continues to be an annoyance. I loved the iTunes Genius when I had an iTouch, but hated iTunes. TuneWiki has Shoutcast Radio, which bumps its usefulness above the stock player.
Flash Player----------Nothing
How weird is it that we had a flash player for the Palm... years ago!? Granted it wasn't built into the browser, but dang.
Graffiti Anywhere-----MobileWrite
Not quite 'anywhere' but better than nothing. It's harder to use your finger for Graffiti, so I may get a stylus to test it out. Graffiti is a hard habit to break; I still write on paper with those symbols by accident.
DateBk---------------Combo of Google Calendar & Astrid
I'll kiss the feet of Pimlico if he brings Pimlical to Android. The Google calendar is annoying because the layouts are almost useless, plus snoozing goes a few minutes. You CAN keep creating new alarms, but that's silly. Astrid is inconsistent; sometimes I get a poke, sometimes not. I haven't settled on a system that just WORKS. And so I can't schedule very important things on the Android yet.
BackupBuddy---------Astro (& still looking)
Astro will back up just my apps when I ask it to, but not automatically. I wish I had something like BackupBuddy that did a full image of *every single thing*. That has saved my butt so many times when the battery died or I had to move to another device.
HotSync--------------some cloud
I liked having an all-around sync option. I tried Moto Tools, but it's very laggy and still doesn't do it all. Even if it were a 1-2 thing; like an app that backs up everything onto the SD card, and another app to sync that backup file over to my PC or LAN storage.
DayNotez-------------testing Note Everything, Unotes, List Master, Evernote, GDocs, & more
DayNotez is wonderful for categories, dating items automatically, and being as organized as my brain. The items I'm testing above all have some hiccup to them that makes me hesitate. Note Everything would probably win IF I could just open and write. This digging around the hierarchy of folders and settings to just plug in a note is annoying.
TealAuto---------------aCar
I haven't actually used aCar yet, but it looks like it'll cover what I need. Now how to transfer over my historic data from TA? It's a pain.
SplashShopper---------testing multiple billion apps
There are a metric boatload of shopping apps out there, but none exactly like what SplashShopper does. I have 18 lists each with 20-200 items each, and I like the checkmarks, categories, columns, etc that I have now.
SplashID---------------testing B-Folders
Passwords are critical, so I may be testing a while. May stay with SplashID, too. Still rely on the Clie here.
Ultrasoft Checkbook----testing FireWallet
Like passwords, your bank data is rather critical. UC was fantastic in allowing transactions to transfer, tracking bills, showing/hiding certain accounts, and always seeing exactly how solvent you are. We'll see about FW. Getting my historic data over... ugh. I have no idea how I'll do this.
Boggle-----------------Haven't seen anything on the market yet
We're Boggle nerds in this house, so we need this!
Scrabble---------------Save as above; missing in action. I actually paid money for the Palm version, so I'd like this.
AcidSolitaire------------Klondike Solitaire
KS is okay, but I liked the tap auto-movement of AS better.
Bejeweled--------------Jewels
I went back and played BJ on the Palm today and was stunned at how much prettier it was visually than anything I've played on the iTouch or the Droid so far. Sometimes old technology is just fine.
TopSuDoKu-------------Play SuDoKu Daily
Top has the better interface, but I can see the limitation of fat fingers on the board. Daily is not as good, but it's the best I found on the iTouch and now on Droid.
??---------------------Aldiko
I used to just d/l .txt docs and read them in DTG on the Palm, so Aldiko is a pleasure in comparison. Not as open of course, but I'm sure I could convert my existing texts if I wanted to.
Overall, it's just going to be a matter of time, I hope. I'd like to thing that Android developers will be sensitive to the needs of business/PIM users, and not just racing to compete with some of the worthless apps on the Apple Market. Sure, fart apps are funny for a while, but they don't get you to your interview on time!
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Not quite 'anywhere' but better than nothing. It's harder to use your finger for Graffiti, so I may get a stylus to test it out. Graffiti is a hard habit to break; I still write on paper with those symbols by accident.
Two things: a stylus won't work, at least it won't on a Droid. The Palm had a touch-sensitive screen, and I believe most Android phones have capacitive screens.
That said, Android MobileWrite was the very first app I downloaded and paid for. And frankly, I haven't used it in several weeks (and I've only had my Droid a month). I absolutely loved it on my Treo, but started liking the on-screen keyboards on the Droid.
Then I discovered Swype. It's almost the best of both worlds. You never lift your finger from the screen, but instead "type" by dragging your finger to the appropriate letters. There's also a similar app called ShapeWriter, but from what I've read here, Swype is much more accurate.
Frankly (and I am not affiliated with them!) Swype's accuracy is incredible... almost unbelievable. At times like it's reading your mind It almost seems you don't need to be anywhere near accurate swiping over the letters and it figures out what you want, or presents you with options, one of which is almost always what you want.
Ever since I discovered that, I haven't touched MobileWrite, and, like I said, it was almost the only way I ever entered something on my Treo.
Swype is only available as a beta right now (free), and it's not in the Market. I think I googled it to find a website that has it available for download.
Two things: a stylus won't work, at least it won't on a Droid. The Palm had a touch-sensitive screen, and I believe most Android phones have capacitive screens.
Actually, there are a handful of stylii made for capacitive screens. Google iPhone stylus to check them out. I don't know that they're going to be as good as using the Palm stylus, but it's worth a shot. I haven't tried Swype yet, since it's the keyboard that I'm not enjoying. But I may give it a shot.
Actually, there are a handful of stylii made for capacitive screens. Google iPhone stylus to check them out. I don't know that they're going to be as good as using the Palm stylus, but it's worth a shot. I haven't tried Swype yet, since it's the keyboard that I'm not enjoying. But I may give it a shot.
Palm ----------------Android
BackupBuddy---------Astro (& still looking)
Astro will back up just my apps when I ask it to, but not automatically. I wish I had something like BackupBuddy that did a full image of *every single thing*. That has saved my butt so many times when the battery died or I had to move to another device.
A full system backup is tricky because it's more or less prohibited due to system access restrictions (every app is a sandbox (unless you've rooted your phone)), so a scheduled full backup is not likely. That said, you can make a full backup with something like the "rectools" (search for it here) which on the downside does require you to reboot.
BTW -- your username is hilarious!! Maybe you should see your doctor for a drointment?
Swype looks interesting, I generally prefer physical keyboards through.
If your handset is rooted, you can use an utility called "Backup for Root Users". It doesn't do scheduled backup through, and I've read reports that it failed to restore properly.
BTW, if you've used Butler on the Treo and love the alerts and security feature, you may like to check out Missed Call (more powerful but more complex), Missed Reminder (less powerful but simpler) and Remote Wipe for root users (again, requires root).
Cheers.
Edit: Ooops... Forgot to mention WaveSecure which is offering free registartion till, more rounded control but may not suite those since data is stored/controlled by a 3rd-party. Besides it doesn't seem to work very reliable either judging by the comments...
Just for fun, here's a list of the top Palm apps I depend upon, and some of the equivalent Android apps that I'm either using or trying out. Suggestions are welcome! Palm ----------------Android
Docs to Go-----------Docs to Go Lite
I didn't use DTG a lot on my Palm, but I depended upon it to sync a few important items to have on hand at all times, like reference spreadsheets. The lack of a sync on the new one has prevented me from paying anything.
NetFront-------------Dolphin & XScope Lite
Browsing is 1000% better on the Android, and I'm still debating between the two above browsers. I use Xmarks and have it as my home page on both to coordinate from home.
Audioplayer----------Stock Player & TuneWiki
The difficulty in making playlists continues to be an annoyance. I loved the iTunes Genius when I had an iTouch, but hated iTunes. TuneWiki has Shoutcast Radio, which bumps its usefulness above the stock player.
Flash Player----------Nothing
How weird is it that we had a flash player for the Palm... years ago!? Granted it wasn't built into the browser, but dang.
Graffiti Anywhere-----MobileWrite
Not quite 'anywhere' but better than nothing. It's harder to use your finger for Graffiti, so I may get a stylus to test it out. Graffiti is a hard habit to break; I still write on paper with those symbols by accident.
DateBk---------------Combo of Google Calendar & Astrid
I'll kiss the feet of Pimlico if he brings Pimlical to Android. The Google calendar is annoying because the layouts are almost useless, plus snoozing goes a few minutes. You CAN keep creating new alarms, but that's silly. Astrid is inconsistent; sometimes I get a poke, sometimes not. I haven't settled on a system that just WORKS. And so I can't schedule very important things on the Android yet.
BackupBuddy---------Astro (& still looking)
Astro will back up just my apps when I ask it to, but not automatically. I wish I had something like BackupBuddy that did a full image of *every single thing*. That has saved my butt so many times when the battery died or I had to move to another device.
HotSync--------------some cloud
I liked having an all-around sync option. I tried Moto Tools, but it's very laggy and still doesn't do it all. Even if it were a 1-2 thing; like an app that backs up everything onto the SD card, and another app to sync that backup file over to my PC or LAN storage.
DayNotez-------------testing Note Everything, Unotes, List Master, Evernote, GDocs, & more
DayNotez is wonderful for categories, dating items automatically, and being as organized as my brain. The items I'm testing above all have some hiccup to them that makes me hesitate. Note Everything would probably win IF I could just open and write. This digging around the hierarchy of folders and settings to just plug in a note is annoying.
TealAuto---------------aCar
I haven't actually used aCar yet, but it looks like it'll cover what I need. Now how to transfer over my historic data from TA? It's a pain.
SplashShopper---------testing multiple billion apps
There are a metric boatload of shopping apps out there, but none exactly like what SplashShopper does. I have 18 lists each with 20-200 items each, and I like the checkmarks, categories, columns, etc that I have now.
SplashID---------------testing B-Folders
Passwords are critical, so I may be testing a while. May stay with SplashID, too. Still rely on the Clie here.
Ultrasoft Checkbook----testing FireWallet
Like passwords, your bank data is rather critical. UC was fantastic in allowing transactions to transfer, tracking bills, showing/hiding certain accounts, and always seeing exactly how solvent you are. We'll see about FW. Getting my historic data over... ugh. I have no idea how I'll do this.
Boggle-----------------Haven't seen anything on the market yet
We're Boggle nerds in this house, so we need this!
Scrabble---------------Save as above; missing in action. I actually paid money for the Palm version, so I'd like this.
AcidSolitaire------------Klondike Solitaire
KS is okay, but I liked the tap auto-movement of AS better.
Bejeweled--------------Jewels
I went back and played BJ on the Palm today and was stunned at how much prettier it was visually than anything I've played on the iTouch or the Droid so far. Sometimes old technology is just fine.
TopSuDoKu-------------Play SuDoKu Daily
Top has the better interface, but I can see the limitation of fat fingers on the board. Daily is not as good, but it's the best I found on the iTouch and now on Droid.
??---------------------Aldiko
I used to just d/l .txt docs and read them in DTG on the Palm, so Aldiko is a pleasure in comparison. Not as open of course, but I'm sure I could convert my existing texts if I wanted to.
Overall, it's just going to be a matter of time, I hope. I'd like to thing that Android developers will be sensitive to the needs of business/PIM users, and not just racing to compete with some of the worthless apps on the Apple Market. Sure, fart apps are funny for a while, but they don't get you to your interview on time!
AWESOME information. Stickies should be made just like this.
what I really want is a simple RDBMS like ThinkDB/SmartList To Go. Started using ThinkDB back when I had a Handspring Platinum, and carried it through to the T3 that I still use. I have several DBs that I use to keep track of various things. Have been exploring the Market for a few days but haven't seen anything that looked promising yet.
Boggle-----------------Haven't seen anything on the market yet
We're Boggle nerds in this house, so we need this!
Thanks for such a comprehensive comparison. Have you tried WordUp? It's as close to Boggle they come, with a nice interface. The developer is continuing to add words to the dictionary, which is a good thing since it's a bit deficient in that department, but it's definitely worth the download. Good fun.
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I highly recommend Note Everything. It takes all your palm memos and puts them into the new program in a second. I had hundreds of them. The developer is very good about getting back to you by email with questions. Lot of updates also.
Thanks for such a comprehensive comparison. Have you tried WordUp? It's as close to Boggle they come, with a nice interface. The developer is continuing to add words to the dictionary, which is a good thing since it's a bit deficient in that department, but it's definitely worth the download. Good fun.
Excellent, thanks! That covers one thing I've been jonesing for.
Haven't spent much time recently on the lists or notes search. I had multi apps downloaded and went into overload for a bit. Nothing was quite right, so I thought I'd watch and wait.
Not sure if you've found a program to track your mileage on your bike, but you should check out Cardio Trainer @ Home - WorkSmart Labs, Inc.. It's a great program.
Palm ----------------Android
DateBk---------------Combo of Google Calendar & Astrid
I'll kiss the feet of Pimlico if he brings Pimlical to Android. The Google calendar is annoying because the layouts are almost useless, plus snoozing goes a few minutes. You CAN keep creating new alarms, but that's silly. Astrid is inconsistent; sometimes I get a poke, sometimes not. I haven't settled on a system that just WORKS. And so I can't schedule very important things on the Android yet.
Have you looked at Calendar Pad? I loved DateBk5, too, but Calendar Pad has selectable font sizes which allows you to see your appointments -- several characters, at least -- in month view, and the week view is very readable. All in all, I actually like this better than DateBk.
You might also check out the Pure Calendar widget. It's highly configurable, and very useful. A must have, as far as I'm concerned.
i don't know if someone already mentioned it (didn't read the whole thread), but for mixing drinks i think "Bartender" is a good solution, it has tons of drinks with "recipes" and you can also just search for some based on ingredients you have available.
for notes, i have decided to try Gdocs. it doesn't have crypt options and no folders but i like i can sync with google documents
for calendar, thanks to the people who recommended Calendar Pad (same small annoyance as other nexus one users - but hopefully the developer will solve that soon)
for passwords and sensitive data, i'd like to recommend KeePassDroid - the application can use the same databases as the linux (KeepassX) and windows ( KeePass Password Safe ) applications (but you have to keep in sync somehow the database).
Have you looked at Calendar Pad? I loved DateBk5, too, but Calendar Pad has selectable font sizes which allows you to see your appointments -- several characters, at least -- in month view, and the week view is very readable. All in all, I actually like this better than DateBk.
I'm intrigued...is Calendar Pad a full calendar app, allowing entering new appointments, setting up repeat options, etc., or just a widget for displaying your calendar?
Thanks--I'm still using my Sony Clie TJ-37, and am not wanting to make the switch until it will be a real improvement. And the calendar is what I use the most.
I'm intrigued...is Calendar Pad a full calendar app, allowing entering new appointments, setting up repeat options, etc., or just a widget for displaying your calendar?
Have you installed and played with it? Its a front end that will use the native calendar app for new events, which syncs w/ gCal events. In settings - check box for native day - and it displays native agenda view.
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Thanks--I'm still using my Sony Clie TJ-37, and am not wanting to make the switch until it will be a real improvement. And the calendar is what I use the most.
I don;t think many palm users think that there is a android PIM that compares. I was using palm 4.1 and got to like gCal especially since you can add to gCal from Jott, Note Everything, etal. Previously but had issue with keeping stuff in sync between gCal (desktop) and palm cal - now everything is in gCal and auto synced between droid and desktop.
What will you use to replicate the memo function? That's seems to be the biggest issue.
I forgot to mention: Contacts doesn't do birthdays in the phone, however there IS a provision for it in your Google mail contacts, online. So if you enter a birthday there, it gets transferred to your phone's Contacts and shows up when you look at the contact info.
On desktop gCal theres a special other calendars named:contact birthdays which will add/merge with your displayed calendar of any BD in your contacts.
Just read thru thread - there's a better answer above !
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What will you use to replicate the memo function? That's seems to be the biggest issue.
For non-private memos, I'm using gDocs which syncs (manually) with Google Docs. The only current shortcomings that bothers me (slightly) is that bi-directional sync isn't automatic, and downloaded documents aren't stored in categories.
For private memos, I'm using SplashID for Android which has Android and PC components. They sync bidirectionally over wifi. Data is encrypted and can only be accessed via password. I've found this to actually be better than the private memos on Palm.
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You'd just think in this day and age with Palm, Outlook, BB and the various contact managers like Pocket Informant, Agendus and such, that Google could've produced a good contact manager instead of caving to the lowest denominator and caring more about social integration. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE EPITAPH ON ANDROID'S TOMBSTONE!
This has been my biggest gripe since I first bought my Eris. I STILL can't believe that Google/Android came up with the WORST PIM on the planet, and Iambic, et al have not produced a PIM product for the fastest growing platform around! And why haven't the indy app makers jumped in to fill the void? The only company that has recently expressed interest is KOXX (Pure Calendar) and he's planning to start development in two weeks.
Why are there virtually no apps that integrate from a contact into the calendar? Why can't an event be associated with a specific contact? Take a look at Agendus for Palm and see what a good PIM can do. They might have had their bugs but it was a super powerful PIM.
There are 200 "to do" apps that don't associate to a contact. 200 "memo/note" apps that don't associate with a contact and not a single agenda app that associates with contacts?!
I don't care if an app costs 99cents. I'd pay $50 for Agendus to come to Android or any other developer who can produce an all-in-one app that does the job.
All of these a la carte apps may be fine for the casual user but there is a serious need for some serious applications.
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that's why I went to the Pixi. If I'm giving up some of the PIM functionality, I'm going to do it with Palm who's homebrew community is much better than Android's since they are doing quite a few things to patch the OS with increased functionality. Would rather rely on a patched OS than 3rd party programs to increase the functionality of my phone.
Outside of losing instant info via widgets and screen size, I've gained in form factor, overall size, a keyboard that's light years better than anything on Android, and a much more polished OS. Plus I can seamlessly stream Pandora and Slacker. Not looking back, but I am holding on to my Moment and will continue to follow the progress of Android. Maybe I'll come back, but I highly doubt I'd go to another big brick phone with a slider. I wouldn't mind seeing an android phone with the Pixi form factor and a slightly larger 16x9 screen.
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I'll keep my Eris as I like its features but the PIM is killing me. Mostly, I'm putting stock in the hope that developers are still just a little behind due to the nascent OS, whereas Palm has been around for over a decade. Just getting impatient...
The Palm OS had the nice feature that individual records or individual files could be marked as private. These could be seen,
masked, or hidden depending on a global setting, controlled via a
password.
Open Intents' OI Safe provides facilities to encrypt records, and once you've authenticated yourself to it, any application that uses it will be able to automagically decrypt and display them. The catch, of course, is that applications have to use those hooks if they're available. The list is pretty short; OI Notepad, Obscura and MyBackup Pro use it.
But there's no reason you can't badger your favorite app developers about it and maybe bribe them with donations.
Okay, i almost don't know where to begin now that I have made the jump..... I have written on another forum about my Palm to Android experience as I too am trying to make the switch.
I have always known that if it sounds too good it must have strings attached. Well, after taking advantage of Verizon's FREE Droid ERIS this past weekend, I am distraught. The ONLY reason that i am even remotely looking for a different phone is because I have "damaged" my Palm 700P. Dropped well too many times and lost the antenna screw about 8 days ago, I figured I might as well see what else may be out there. Particularly since Palm has dropped the ball on this Palm Pre. It was so bad that i was tempted to use a Blackberry.
The Droid Eris, and what seems to be all the Android based phones, caters more toward the "young-minded" adult rather than the "grown" adult. People more into Tweeting, looking at their Facebook, texting, and just "geeking" around. It does make business since, considering they are the ones that spend the money frivolously. Heck, when the phone does a reboot it displays a "droid" on a skateboard......go figure........ROFL
On the ERIS, the difficulty using the keyboard is an understatement, it's darn near impossible to type without typos while walking...... LOL Heck I have to install a program to kill running programs that won't close themselves? Its amazing how marketing will get some people to buy anything, thank goodness this is FREE.....LOL
The more that i dig into this phone the more issues i seem to find. Things such as....
1) The inability to privatize individual contacts from prying eyes. I know many celebrities & popular in-the-public people and it is my duty to keep their contact information protected. Even the way the contacts are displayed is sort of sad.
2) The lack of a standalone PC/MAC address book/calendar app to sync with like the palm desktop. I really do not like using Outlook for contacts and calendar items.
3) What about important docs that you need to secure. Yes, one could use BioWallet but you need syncing capabilities so changes that are made on the phone can be synced to your computer.
4) Where is the media sync? Or am I really missing something here? If I take a picture on my phone why can't i just press a "sync" button and have them installed on my computer also?
Synchronization is important nowadays and for some reason this Android platform seems to put that as a second or third thought. I have used Palm Desktop for Contact & Calendar management for a while. So now i'm having to dump my contacts into Outlook just for synchronization via the HTC Sync manager and it is a pain. Heck now that I've put my 3200+ contacts in this thing it seems a little sluggish now. What other surprises are around the corner?
Yes, one could sync to Gmail/Google or some other "web-based" service but who wants to open up all their contacts to the government and others that can legally force them to turn over all information on you. They would have your entire lifestyle, who you know, what you do, where you go, where you are at any given moment, everything about you. Even Verizon's "Wireless Sync" is vulnerable to legal levying. I am truly amazed how many people place their "life" online.......
So far i've installed the following in hopes of making this work.......
I've had this phone for 3 days now, and after researching the internet to find apps that will provide the security, convenience, and ease of use of the Palm and its apps, I'm about to sell this thing. I wish Palm would pull their heads out and produce another phone with quality workmanship as the 700P, because the Palm Pre is truly NOT worth it........
Anyway, I hope that i am just missing something here. Maybe there's a few other applications i need to make this a "grown up" phone.
I'll give it a little more time searching otherwise i'm running back to my Treo 700P and replace my antenna screw and be happy......
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I would've gone with the Palm Pixi personally. I deactivated my Moment and went to the Pixi. Have been much happier. Little things in the OS friom Palm are getting addressed via patches by people in the community. That you won't see on Android. CompanionLink can do syncing with Palm Desktop. Another developer has made Classic Note which brings back Memos, categories and all. He's even working on a standalone desktop program for syncing. I think if you're looking to recreate the PalmOS experience, webOS is the better choice. The homebrew community is more geared towards patching and improving the general OS and overall usability much more t han the Android hackers because they don't have that kind of access. It's pretty sweet
The form factor is just so much more convenient compared to on screen keyboards and landscape sliders, it's not even funny. The 1.4 upgrade was a nice boost as well. Just my two cents. I'm keeping my Moment, but it's strictly a bedside wifi device and probably will remain that way.
dbpaddler....... Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out. However isn't CompanionLink a web-based sync service. Because as I had said.....
""Yes, one could sync to Gmail/Google or some other "web-based" service but who wants to open up all their contacts to the government and others that can legally force them to turn over all information on you. They would have your entire lifestyle, who you know, what you do, where you go, where you are at any given moment, everything about you. Even Verizon's "Wireless Sync" is vulnerable to legal levying. I am truly amazed how many people place their "life" online.......""
Particularly since I have a few celebrity and "important" people contacts, etc.
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sorry. I meant Pocket Mirror. And it should do it over wifi to boot. Unless your home wifi isn't secure.... And since you're on Verizon, that will work with the Pixi.
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dbpaddler....... Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out. However isn't CompanionLink a web-based sync service. Because as I had said.....
""Yes, one could sync to Gmail/Google or some other "web-based" service but who wants to open up all their contacts to the government and others that can legally force them to turn over all information on you. They would have your entire lifestyle, who you know, what you do, where you go, where you are at any given moment, everything about you. Even Verizon's "Wireless Sync" is vulnerable to legal levying. I am truly amazed how many people place their "life" online.......""
Particularly since I have a few celebrity and "important" people contacts, etc.
But i appreciate the tip i will investigate it.
Thanks
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Okay, i almost don't know where to begin now that I have made the jump..... I have written on another forum about my Palm to Android experience as I too am trying to make the switch.
I have always known that if it sounds too good it must have strings attached. Well, after taking advantage of Verizon's FREE Droid ERIS this past weekend, I am distraught. The ONLY reason that i am even remotely looking for a different phone is because I have "damaged" my Palm 700P. Dropped well too many times and lost the antenna screw about 8 days ago, I figured I might as well see what else may be out there. Particularly since Palm has dropped the ball on this Palm Pre. It was so bad that i was tempted to use a Blackberry.
I really understand you and at the same time, I think you got a bit impatient.
You have only had the phone for three days and you think you have already found all the ins-and-outs?
Well, I have had around 25, if not more, phones in the past 10 years and I have to say it takes much longer to get used to a new phone/ OS
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The Droid Eris, and what seems to be all the Android based phones, caters more toward the "young-minded" adult rather than the "grown" adult. People more into Tweeting, looking at their Facebook, texting, and just "geeking" around. It does make business since, considering they are the ones that spend the money frivolously. Heck, when the phone does a reboot it displays a "droid" on a skateboard......go figure........ROFL
I moved from WinMo to Android 2 weeks ago and I am still working out some stuff I used to do on WinMo and am having problems doing on Android.
I have never used Facebook/ Tweeter (do not even know what it really is for), or any of these apps and I consider myself a Power User, a Geek. I use the phone for email, texts, phonecalls, finances, web browsing etc., etc.
If you think that the fact that it has a startup logo that does not seem professional and that makes the phone bad, well; no comments.
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On the ERIS, the difficulty using the keyboard is an understatement, it's darn near impossible to type without typos while walking...... LOL Heck I have to install a program to kill running programs that won't close themselves? Its amazing how marketing will get some people to buy anything, thank goodness this is FREE.....LOL
Haha, maybe you should have thought about that BEFORE buying a phone without physical keyboard?
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The more that i dig into this phone the more issues i seem to find. Things such as....
That is 100% normal. The more you know about something the more faults you are going to find.
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1) The inability to privatize individual contacts from prying eyes. I know many celebrities & popular in-the-public people and it is my duty to keep their contact information protected. Even the way the contacts are displayed is sort of sad.
10 seconds of googling:
Hide My Life
HidenSeek
My Privacy
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2) The lack of a standalone PC/MAC address book/calendar app to sync with like the palm desktop. I really do not like using Outlook for contacts and calendar items.
3) What about important docs that you need to secure. Yes, one could use BioWallet but you need syncing capabilities so changes that are made on the phone can be synced to your computer.
Vide answer to point 1.
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4) Where is the media sync? Or am I really missing something here? If I take a picture on my phone why can't i just press a "sync" button and have them installed on my computer also?
Synchronization is important nowadays and for some reason this Android platform seems to put that as a second or third thought. I have used Palm Desktop for Contact & Calendar management for a while. So now i'm having to dump my contacts into Outlook just for synchronization via the HTC Sync manager and it is a pain. Heck now that I've put my 3200+ contacts in this thing it seems a little sluggish now. What other surprises are around the corner?
Yes, one could sync to Gmail/Google or some other "web-based" service but who wants to open up all their contacts to the government and others that can legally force them to turn over all information on you. They would have your entire lifestyle, who you know, what you do, where you go, where you are at any given moment, everything about you. Even Verizon's "Wireless Sync" is vulnerable to legal levying. I am truly amazed how many people place their "life" online.......
Vide answer to point 2.
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So far i've installed the following in hopes of making this work.......
I've had this phone for 3 days now, and after researching the internet to find apps that will provide the security, convenience, and ease of use of the Palm and its apps, I'm about to sell this thing. I wish Palm would pull their heads out and produce another phone with quality workmanship as the 700P, because the Palm Pre is truly NOT worth it........
Anyway, I hope that i am just missing something here. Maybe there's a few other applications i need to make this a "grown up" phone.
I'll give it a little more time searching otherwise i'm running back to my Treo 700P and replace my antenna screw and be happy......
Search a bit more and complain a bit less.
I do not want to sound rude here, I just hate complaining without taking ANY actions to actually resolve the problem being complained about!
The other thing to consider is this, which I've come to grips with myself: you didn't buy another Treo, so you can't expect it to act like one.
I spent 4 years on a Palm m130 and another two on a Treo 680. I moved to the Droid last December and no, it didn't do what my Treo did. Or it did things differently. Or it did more things. Or it did things better.
It's just a fact of life. If you drove a Dodge van and then moved to a Saturn Ion, it's going to be different. It'll drive differently, stow gear differently, react differently. That's just life. If you wanted a Dodge van, then either keep the one you had or buy another used one.
On the other hand, my Droid will do certain things much better than my Treo ever could have. I guess I'm not complaining about that stuff.
Like it or not -- and I didn't for a long while until I just accepted the fact that this isn't another Treo -- this is the way phones in 2010 are being built, and learn to live within their parameters, accept their successes, and work around their perceived weaknesses.
oh, boy, I'm kinda glad to see other "old Palm" users lamenting the lack of a decent PIM on Android. Was starting to think I was an old fuddy duddy. Oh, to be able to search my calendar or duplicate an event again... Crossing my fingers for Pimlical. Glad to see the reviews of Note Everything. I'm a big fan of the app and have the Pro version; Marcus is very responsive to problems/suggestions. I like OI Safe for keeping files of passwords. It uses a master password for access. I'd like a to find a "To Do" app I like (did NOT like Astrid) but I'm using Note Everything for that in the meantime with the reminder function, but I'd rather have a separate one.
Maybe you should see your doctor for a drointment?
