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Old September 16th, 2011, 11:01 AM   #201 (permalink)
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@Ernie_P I already answered your thread.

anyway:

Android is made by Google, naturally, since Outlook to Google sync already exists, and the Android phone is designed to be used with a Google Account, they dont really need an offline solution. Plus Google earns if you use its services. An Android phone without a Google account is SEVERELY HAMPERED.
Yes - I am discovering this - so is the recommendation I am making to all is to not purchase an Android phone for business use!

I know most business users do not use Gmail and do not want to load sensitive business information to Gmail contacts/calendars, etc.

In addition I have tried the synchronization between Outlook and Gmail contacts and many fields are dropped off or truncated - again limitations of Gmail's contact system because it is made to track casual basic information but not business related info....

Bottom Line: Android is not for business and really for playing games and watching movies?! Disappointing!

This really needs to be announced loudly before folks invest considerable money in a phone that doesn't meet their needs!

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Folks, I'm a total Android newbie, don't even have my Android phone yet and came across this thread. I'm now concerned about syncing my Outlook contacts (and calendar) and re-thinking my choice of Android as a result before I commit (tomorrow!) to an Android-based phone! I currently use an iPhone 3g.

I have Outlook 2010 on Windows 7 64-bit. I store personal contacts in a local PST file, and contacts on an Exchange server (is also a favorite in my local PST file). I want to sync both of these to my android phone for easy dialing and lookup purposes.

On my iphone, these go to two different folders. Does the same concept exist on Android phones? I'm considering the HTC Incredible 2 and will be using Verizon if it makes a difference. For my iPhone currently, I have to manually copy all of my Exchange contacts to a local PST folder because the iphone only knows how to sync to one source - either a local PST file or Exchange, not both.

Ideally, I want two-way sync, but I'll accept one-way sync (PC to phone only). I use categories pretty extensively, so I want to keep that information intact.

I'd rather not have to buy an extra app to do this. Given the price of CompanionLink software Pro, I'm now rethinking all of this. Is there a good open source (free?) app to sync Outlook contacts and calendars?

Sorry if I missed the answer to my question in this lengthy thread. I know the Android marketplace is changing rapidly, so I thought joining this forum and posting might be the best way for me to get a good answer. Thanks in advance!
Just to save you the pain that I (and I assume others are going through) currently I have only been able to find one application (CompanionLink) which costs $49 which adequately synchronizes directly between Outlook and my Android phone - and even then you have to syncronize first with a database that CompanionLink installs and then on the phone synchronize that database with your Android contacts. I have found other third party apps to be unstable or quirky. (P.S. I do not work nor do I know anyone at CompanionLink)

The general solution - and the one described in this thread - involves synchronizing your Outlook with a third party "cloud" location such as Gmail contacts or Hotmail contacts and then synchronizing from that location down to your phone. As Android is made by Google - they really want you to set up a Gmail account and utilize their contacts, calendars, etc. which are no where near as comprehensive as Outlook.

I use my phone for business purposes and need all the information in Outlook - not just one or two phone numbers and an email (exagerating here - but not by much).

Therefore - I am advising anyone that truly wants all the details that they have in their Outlook Contacts and Calendar to think long and hard if the benefits of the Android O/S is worth losing a lot of the detail you have in Outlook. This is the decision to make...hope this is helpful.
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I agree that there should be a standard direct way to sync an Android phone with Outlook without having to use a cloud solution.

After fighting this issue for so long, I've decided to give in to Google and use CompanionLink to sync Outlook to Google which then auto syncs with my phone. Syncing my phone directly to Outlook even with CompanionLink has become tedious due to having to manually initialize the sync on both machines. Plus, CompanionLink's Deja Calendar Android app is slow and laggy even though it does support categories which I really appreciate.

At the end of the day, you are going to have to choose a cloud solution (Hotmail or Google) if you want a smooth syncing solution. Arggh!

P.S. I guess the good news is you can always access your calendar and contacts from any browser. I just don't like making my sensitive data more "accessible" to hackers.
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MyPhoneExplorer works just fine for me.
Thank you Trisgo - I will check this out - I am still runing under a 15 day evaluation of CompanionLink before I am forced to pay the $50.

Any issues I should be aware of?

Again - I am simply looking to sync my Contacts and Calendar - does everything get synchronized both ways?

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When using MyPhoneExplorer, does a sync need to be initiated on BOTH the PC and the Phone?
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dvhttn: I was using MyPhoneExplorer but I stopped using it because:
1) It only handled 16 of the most commonly used Outlook contact fields (see list below), therefore much of the contact information doesn't appear on the phone.
2) When the phone is resynchronized with the PC MyPhoneExplorer overwrites (i.e. effectively deletes) all other less commonly used Outlook fields from the contacts on the PC, and therefore irreparably damages the Outlook contacts on the PC! Examples of fields which are not synchronized, and which will be forever deleted from one's Outlook contacts include Categories, Other address, Business2 phone, Home2 phone, & Assistant's name, but I guess there are more than 100 other such Outlook fields that MyPhoneExplorer destroys.
3) MyPhoneExplorer is a hassle to use because it requires the user to start an app on the PC, be on the same WiFi/wired network as the PC, and then run the syncrhonization.
4) MyPhoneExplorer requires the user to load and run software on both the phone and the PC.
5) MyPhoneExplorer does not enable automatic synchronization of contacts and calendar items between multiple PCs.


MyPhoneExplorer only syncrhonizes the following 16 Outlook fields.
1) First name
2) Last name
3) Company name
4) Home phone
5) Mobile phone
6) Business phone
7) Fax
8) Other phone
9) Home address
10 Work address
11) Email1
12) Email2
13) Email3
14) Web page
15 Info/Notes
16) Birthday
Which program syncs more fields MyPhoneExplorer or CompanionLink when syncing with Google? I know Google kills Outlook "categories" unfortunately. The ONLY way I've found to keep categories it to use CompanionLink to sync Outlook directly with your phone and then you can only use the Deja Calendar app which is beautiful but SLOW. Any other options to sync (and use) categories?
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RazzMaTazz,

While I am sure a lot of people may find your information useful....I am also sure that it is misleading to many folks like myself which would like to find a solution that truly syncs Contacts from Outlook directly to my Android phone.

Having to slosh around sensitive contact information all over the Internet in orde to ultimately get it on my cell phone is not an option that everyone is comfortable with.

Much appreciated!
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Ernie_P, RazzMaTazz is not really misleading anyone by the thread title because he is showing you how to sync Outlook & Android without a 3rd party "app" or exchange server. He did not say his solution would not include a 3rd party "cloud" solution. LOL

I feel your pain, my man! I also want a direct sync solution that doesn't destroy some of my contact fields. Oh well, I've resigned myself to using this method:

Outlook <-CompanionLink -> Google ->> <<-Android Phone

I'm open to trying MyPhoneExplorer if someone can tell me:
1. If a sync has to initiated on both the phone and the PC.
2. If it is possible to schedule syncs automatically.
3. If contact fields are destroyed in Outlook due to lack of support from MPE.

Although Google Calendar does not support categories, so far, most of my Outlook categories stay intact after syncing. A handful of appointments lost their category designation but not many. After fixing them and resyncing, no problems.

I believe some one would make a TON of money if they could write a program that would sync directly between Outlook and Android and keep ALL fields intact.
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Ernie_P, RazzMaTazz is not really misleading anyone by the thread title because he is showing you how to sync Outlook & Android without a 3rd party "app" or exchange server. He did not say his solution would not include a 3rd party "cloud" solution. LOL

I feel your pain, my man! I also want a direct sync solution that doesn't destroy some of my contact fields. Oh well, I've resigned myself to using this method:

Outlook <-CompanionLink -> Gmail ->> <<-Android Phone
Understand - didn't mean to make it sound like I was directing my frustration at RazzMaTazz...you would just think this would not be as big an issue as it is and more importantly....just want folks to be aware. And who knows maybe a developer or two will take notice...

P.S. I have tested Outlook with CompanionLink and it sync directly to the phone - no need for Gmail in your example above.

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I have tested Outlook with CompanionLink and it sync directly to the phone - no need for Gmail in your example above.

Cheers!
True, I have too but Deja Calendar seems to be laggy and CompanionLink states damage can occur to the outlook data if CompanionLink writes to the Android stock calendar directly. I can't afford anything happening to my data in Outlook. That is what I work in all day long!

By syncing to Gmail, everything automatically syncs to my phone without worry of damaging the data in Outlook.

If you have another way to do it, I'm wide open!
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I appreciate the effort - but you are essentially replacing GMAIL contacts with HOTMAIL contacts.
No. There are two big differences.
1) Outlook contacts don't sync with your phone, through Gmail. There is no such thing as "contacts" folder in a Gmail account on Outlook. Outlook contacts DO sync with your phone through Hotmail and there is a "contacts" folder in Hotmail accounts on Outlook.
2) Outlook calendar syncs nicely (without any additional apps or software) with your phone through Hotmail. You'd need 3rd party software to accomplish that through Gmail-- and even at that it's arguably not as good.

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I WANT TO SYNC BETWEEEN OUTLOOK TO MY PHONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (PERIOD!)
The Hotmail method accomplishes that. I think there's about a ten million times better chance that your contact information will get compromized by losing your phone or your laptop, or your house getting robbed, than from the cloud getting compromised. Hotmail and Gmail have been around for many years and I can't recall a problem. Microsoft (Hotmail) has publicly said that they won't use your contact data for adverstising. Google as publicly stated that they will use it for adverstising. So I'm not worried much about the Hotmail cloud. But if you are, then you can synchronize using MyPhoneExplorer (free, but with some issues) or the CompanionLink (~$50) via USB direct link or a direct WiFi link (when on the same LAN router).

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Otherwise - while your documentation and investigation is very thorough and complete - it doesn't solve the problem at hand: Which is there is no standard included (free) manner method for syncing Outlook Contacts to ANY Android phone?!?!?!?!?!
The Hotmail method is free and works with any Android phone. But if by "standard" you mean that you'd like perfect, built-in Outlook synchronization, with the option of going through the cloud or cloudless, millions of us agree with you! Unfortunately, Google wants to kill Microsoft Office and replace it with Google Apps. And Google wants to gain access to your contacts (which are very valuable) so Google isn't motivated to enable Android & Outlook to sync. However, to Google's credit, they don't stop 3rd party developers (like CompanionLink, GSyncit, et al) from developing synchonization software. And when you look at the price performance and total cost of ownership of Android phones relative to other phones (even you buy a $50 CompanionLink app), Android phones are still (arguably) the best value.
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RazzMaTazz, thanks for letting us know about Sync Android/Droid with Outlook/Exchange. Somebody will eventually figure out the perfect solution. (crossing fingers!)

If one chooses to use your Hotmail sync method or MyPhoneExplorer, is there no way to use Google's Voice Search to dial those contacts on the phone?
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Thanks for all of your help. It is greatly appreciated from those of use who are just trying to figure all of this out.

I have transferred all of my contacts but they are in the browser section of my Android phone and not contacts. How do I go about transferring these contacts to my "Contacts" app? I have followed the instructions that you posted but I guess my phone is somewhat different from the examples given and I am unable to complete the process. Any help that you can provide is really appreciated. Thanks!.

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The solution for that issue is covered in my original post (at the top of this thread on page 1) under the following heading:
"To migrate from Gmail-based contacts to Hotmail-based calendar & contact from Outlook:"
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I have transferred all of my contacts but they are in the browser section of my Android phone and not contacts. How do I go about transferring these contacts to my "Contacts" app?
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean. Would you please explain in more detail?

Some thoughts...
1) Do you now have a populated Hotmail contacts folder in Outlook?
2) If you go to Hotmail.com and sign-in, are your contacts there?
3) Have you added your Hotmail account to your Android phone as a Exchange account (not as a POP account)?
4) Did you make sure that the ActiveSync setting are set to sync the contacts in your Hotmail account? (Open the Android Contacts app, press the settings button, select "Accounts", and then tap the Hotmail account to toggle sync on.)
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If one chooses to use your Hotmail sync method or MyPhoneExplorer, is there no way to use Google's Voice Search to dial those contacts on the phone?
As I wrote in my original post...

Your phone's built-in voice dialer will work with the Hotmail contacts, but "Google Voice Search" will not recognize those contacts (unless you also keep those contacts on the Gmail servers). That's because "Google Voice Search" searches through the contacts on the Gmail servers, not the contacts on your phone. If you want to use Google Voice Search on your contacts, you could occassionally export your Outlook/Hotmail contacts to a CSV file, and then import the CSV file into Gmail contacts (but not necessarily sync them with your Android device).
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As I wrote in my original post...

Your phone's built-in voice dialer will work with the Hotmail contacts, but "Google Voice Search" will not recognize those contacts (unless you also keep those contacts on the Gmail servers). That's because "Google Voice Search" searches through the contacts on the Gmail servers, not the contacts on your phone. If you want to use Google Voice Search on your contacts, you could occassionally export your Outlook/Hotmail contacts to a CSV file, and then import the CSV file into Gmail contacts (but not necessarily sync them with your Android device).
I don't know much about Google Voice search, but if your contacts are in the contacts database on your android phone (not the MPE or Companionlink database) couldn't you then sync them with google? I know that Companionlink will sync your contacts with the phones built in contacts database so that things like caller ID will work.
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I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean. Would you please explain in more detail?

Some thoughts...
1) Do you now have a populated Hotmail contacts folder in Outlook?
2) If you go to Hotmail.com and sign-in, are your contacts there?
3) Have you added your Hotmail account to your Android phone as a Exchange account (not as a POP account)?
4) Did you make sure that the ActiveSync setting are set to sync the contacts in your Hotmail account? (Open the Android Contacts app, press the settings button, select "Accounts", and then tap the Hotmail account to toggle sync on.)

1) Yes


2) Yes


3) I believe this is where my problem lies. After follwoing the steps outlined earlier in this thread, I was never given the opportunity to select an Exchange account. Therefore, I used the alternate way of adding the Hotmail account as described in the thread and accessed Hotmail directly from my phone and added the account that way. I don't think I did it properly.


4) I believe that since I did not add the Hotmail account correctly, I was not given the opportunity to access Active Sync. Thanks!
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If you want to use Google Voice Search on your contacts, you could occassionally export your Outlook/Hotmail contacts to a CSV file, and then import the CSV file into Gmail contacts (but not necessarily sync them with your Android device).
Wouldn't this create duplicate contacts on your phone?
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I'm open to trying MyPhoneExplorer if someone can tell me:
1. If a sync has to initiated on both the phone and the PC.
2. If it is possible to schedule syncs automatically.
3. If contact fields are destroyed in Outlook due to lack of support from MPE.
1. No, just the PC and there are various options to do this, eg sync on connect
2. Sadly not at the moment though a number of folk on the MPE forums have asked for this
3. No, non-synced fields are ignored.
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I don't know much about Google Voice search, but if your contacts are in the contacts database on your android phone (not the MPE or Companionlink database) couldn't you then sync them with google? I know that Companionlink will sync your contacts with the phones built in contacts database so that things like caller ID will work.
There are basically 3 types of contacts that you can have on your Android device.
1) "Phone-only contacts" which are stored only on your phone and are not synchronized with Gmail or an Exchange/Hotmail server. These contacts are essentially out of the reach of Google/Gmail.
2) "Google Contacts" which are synchronized between your phone and Gmail.
3) "Corporate Contacts" which are synchronized between your phone and either an Exchange Server or Hotmail.

I don't know about CompanionLink, but MyPhoneExplorer gives you the option of storing contacts on your phone as "Phone-only Contacts" or as "Google Contacts".

Your phone's internal voice dialer will work regardless of the type of contact. But Google Voice Search relies on Google's Servers to synthesize your voice and search through the Gmail servers for your contact info.

I believe that Caller ID works regardless of the type of contact.
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1) I believe this is where my problem lies. After follwoing the steps outlined earlier in this thread, I was never given the opportunity to select an Exchange account. Therefore, I used the alternate way of adding the Hotmail account as described in the thread and accessed Hotmail directly from my phone and added the account that way. I don't think I did it properly.

I believe that since I did not add the Hotmail account correctly, I was not given the opportunity to access Active Sync. Thanks!
Do you have Android version 2.2 or newer? I don't think this option existed prior to Android 2.2.
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Wouldn't this create duplicate contacts on your phone?
Duplicates won't be created on your phone if you set your ActiveSync settings so that your Android device doesn't sync your contacts with Gmail. That's what I do. As I wrote in my original post...

All of your Outlook/Hotmail contacts will appear in a "contacts" folder on the left-side Navigation Pane of Outlook, and will automatically appear inside the standard built-in Android app for contacts, along with any Gmail contacts, if you like. But at any time, you can simply change the ActiveSync settings on your Android device for each Hotmail and Gmail account to choose whether you want to sync the contacts in each of those accounts. (To do so, open the Android Contacts app, press the settings button, select "Accounts", and then tap each account to toggle sync on/off.) You can use your Hotmail-based contacts to make phone calls, send emails (from whichever email account you choose), get turn-by-turn directions, etc, just like you would with a Gmail-based "Google Contact".

If you've already syncrhonized with Gmail and you have a bunch of "Google Contacts" on your phone, you may want to delete the Google Contacts from your phone (and turn off Gmail synchronization) before synchronizing with Hotmail.
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I'm open to trying MyPhoneExplorer if someone can tell me:
3. If contact fields are destroyed in Outlook due to lack of support from MPE.
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3. No, non-synced fields are ignored.
There is some debate over this. Many MyPhoneExplorer users (like Spile) seem to have no problem with MPE deleting unsupported data fields from Outlook, and MPE's developer says that there shouldn't be a problem. However, I and others have had problems with MPE deleting unsupported fields from Outlook. Apparently those of us who had problems did something differently than those who did not have problems. I don't know what. The consequences are severe, so be aware of the issue. If you try MPE, be sure to first back up your Outlook contact data.
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I am currently a Blackberry user but will be switching to an Android phone soon and I also use Outlook desktop. I found 2 apps which seem to work well to sync my contacts and calendar between Outlook and Gmail (Go Contact Sync Mod & Google Calendar Sync). These apps seems to work very well and I do not see any reason why I would want to fiddle with MPE.

Since I am only using this between Outlook and Gmail and not yet with a Android phone I would appreciate your coments and this method of sync and why using some other apps might be better.
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I am currently a Blackberry user but will be switching to an Android phone soon and I also use Outlook desktop. I found 2 apps which seem to work well to sync my contacts and calendar between Outlook and Gmail (Go Contact Sync Mod & Google Calendar Sync). These apps seems to work very well and I do not see any reason why I would want to fiddle with MPE.

Since I am only using this between Outlook and Gmail and not yet with a Android phone I would appreciate your coments and this method of sync and why using some other apps might be better.
I use this, and it works fine. What's good about this setup is that once you sign in to Google on your phone, you can forget about the sync and it will do so automatically every time.
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Do you have Android version 2.2 or newer? I don't think this option existed prior to Android 2.2.

I am using Android Version 2.3.4.

I now realize what is going on on my phone. Since I was not able to add the Hotmail account to my phone correctly using the earlier instructions in this thread, I accessed Hotmail.com from my phone directly and THOUGHT I had added the Hotmail account when actually I was only accessing Hotmail.com through my phone browser and the Hotmail account was never added. I guess I need to start from the beginning because I am really lost now.

I just never realized that setting up this sync would be so difficult. Had I known this, I would have just bought another Blackberry because this process is done without much effort on a BB. Thank you so much for your help. This cerainly has been a challenging and frustrating experience.
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OK, I just started over from the beginning.


I created a Hotmail account and it has been added to Outlook.

Now my problem is getting all of the contacts to transfer from my default contacts folder in Outlook to the Hotmail folder. For some reason, only about 1/3 of the contacts are transferring. Any suggestions on how to get ALL of the contacts to transfer to the new Hotmail folder? Thanks!
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I have been trying for over a week to sync my Motorola Atrix phone using the instructions included in this thread. I have finally come to the conclusion that maybe my phone does not include the "ActiveSync" software. Does anyone know if the Atrix includes the ActiveSync software? I have tried everything and I have not been able to find it to complete syncing my phone. Thanks for your help!
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I don't know what your problem is with the Atrix but you can sync without ActiveSync by using Go Contact Sync Mod & Google Calendar Sync.
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Thanks for the reply! I was attempting to sync using the instructions in this tread and NOT use Google to do it. I am just not able to find the "ActiveSync" application that is referenced in this thread. I will just have to keep looking. Peace!


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I don't know what your problem is with the Atrix but you can sync without ActiveSync by using Go Contact Sync Mod & Google Calendar Sync.
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Thanks for the reply! I was attempting to sync using the instructions in this tread and NOT use Google to do it. I am just not able to find the "ActiveSync" application that is referenced in this thread. I will just have to keep looking. Peace!
I understand that I did not give you the answer you are looking for but I do not use that method. Just in case uou give up on the method in this post you could try my previous suggestion or you could try https://www.forge.funambol.org/download/ which also syncs you gamol account with Outlook.
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I have been trying for over a week to sync my Motorola Atrix phone using the instructions included in this thread. I have finally come to the conclusion that maybe my phone does not include the "ActiveSync" software. Does anyone know if the Atrix includes the ActiveSync software? I have tried everything and I have not been able to find it to complete syncing my phone. Thanks for your help!
I think ActiveSync is part of the Android OS and so you should be able to sync through Hotmail with ANY phone using Android 2.2 or newer.

If you go into "Account & Sync Settings" on your phone, is the Hotmail account listed as a "Corporate" account with a square icon, or a "Google" account with a "g" icon? It should be listed as a "Corporate" account.
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Thanks again for your reply RazzMaTazz! On my Atrix (I am using Android v. 2.3.4) there is a selection for "Accounts" only and not "Account & Sync Settings". I also don't see any selection for "Sync Settings" or any similar term. I do see something called "Corporate Sync" but when I tried that, it did not work using the instructions. Maybe the lack of these selections is unique to Atrix phones. Your instructions have been very good but maybe the Atrix phone is not able to implement them. Peace!



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I think ActiveSync is part of the Android OS and so you should be able to sync through Hotmail with ANY phone using Android 2.2 or newer.

If you go into "Account & Sync Settings" on your phone, is the Hotmail account listed as a "Corporate" account with a square icon, or a "Google" account with a "g" icon? It should be listed as a "Corporate" account.
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I am currently a Blackberry user but will be switching to an Android phone soon and I also use Outlook desktop. I found 2 apps which seem to work well to sync my contacts and calendar between Outlook and Gmail (Go Contact Sync Mod & Google Calendar Sync). These apps seems to work very well and I do not see any reason why I would want to fiddle with MPE.

Since I am only using this between Outlook and Gmail and not yet with a Android phone I would appreciate your coments and this method of sync and why using some other apps might be better.
I was intrigued by this solution so I tested it out for a few days. It works OK, but I prefer the Hotmail method. I came up with the following list of pros and cons for the Hotmail method versus the Go Contact Sync Mod + Google Calendar Sync method.

Hotmail Method:
Pros:
· Syncs automatically as part of Outlook Send/Receive (and Android ActiveSync).
· Sync occurs quickly and incrementally.
· Conflict-resolution (especially for items that were edited on both Outlook & Android since the last server syncrhonization) are handled well based on time-of-edit & through informative merge/choose options.
· Does not require additional programs running on the PC.

Cons:
· Requires addition and use of a Hotmail account to Outlook & Android.
· Must sync contacts to Gmail if you want to search your contacts using Google Voice Search, but not if you want to use your phone’s built-in voice dialer. (Note you can use Go Contact Sync Mod to do occasional (or automated syncs from Outlook/Hotmail to Gmail.)

Go Contact Sync Mod + Google Calendar Sync Method:
Pros:
· Does not require the addition of a Hotmail account to Outlook or Android.

Cons:
· Requires the addition and use of Gmail account for contacts & calendar.
· Some less-common data field labels seem to get lost on the way to the phone, but remain in Outlook. (E.g. “Home 2” phone number appears on the phone but the “Home 2” label on phone goes blank.)
· Conflict resolution for contacts is weak (especially for items that were edited on both Outlook & Android since the last server syncrhonization). There is no automated, time-of-editing based conflict resolution, merge, or helpful information-- just a blind choice pop-up warning box on the PC: “Keep Outlook, Keep Google, Skip, or Cancel.”
· Additional software runs on PC all the time.
· Contact synchronization is slow and not very incremental or efficient. Contact sync takes ~2 minutes for 1000 contacts and uses ~30% CPU on my 2.3GHz quad core PC. (However, Google Calendar Sync is fast and seems efficient.)
· Error messages, like program “stopped working” and cryptic syncrhonization error messages frequently pop up. Aside from being annoying, it’s rather worrisome in that it does not inspire confidence that data is being properly preserved and synced.

Pros for both methods:
· Free.
· No app needed on phone.

Cons for both methods:
· Calendar categories in Outlook are not synced to Android.
· Not all Outlook contact fields are supported. (For a list see post #246 below.) Some fields (notably “Notes”) are limited in length. (This seems to be an Android limitation.)
· Contact & calendar data are stored on the cloud servers (for those who are anti-cloud).

Bottom line for me:
I tried both but I prefer the Hotmail method. It just works, hassle free, with no CPU/memory burden, and with full confidence.
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RazzMaTazz, you are to be commended for the service that you provide here. This is a well researced and valuable comparison. Thanks for all that you do here! Peace!

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I was intrigued by this solution so I tested it out for a few days. It works OK, but I prefer the Hotmail method. I came up with the following list of pros and cons for the Hotmail method versus the Go Contact Sync Mod + Google Calendar Sync method.

Hotmail Method:
Pros:
· Syncs automatically as part of Outlook Send/Receive (and Android ActiveSync).
· Sync occurs quickly and incrementally.
· Conflict-resolution (especially for items that were edited on both Outlook & Android since the last server syncrhonization) are handled well based on time-of-edit & through informative merge/choose options.
· Does not require additional programs running on the PC.

Cons:
· Requires addition and use of a Hotmail account to Outlook & Android.
· Must sync contacts to Gmail if you want to search your contacts using Google Voice Search, but not if you want to use your phone’s built-in voice dialer. (Note you can use Go Contact Sync Mod to do occasional (or automated syncs from Outlook/Hotmail to Gmail.)

Go Contact Sync Mod + Google Calendar Sync Method:
Pros:
· Does not require the addition of a Hotmail account to Outlook or Android.

Cons:
· Requires the addition and use of Gmail account for contacts & calendar.
· Some less-common data field labels seem to get lost on the way to the phone, but remain in Outlook. (E.g. “Home 2” phone number appears on the phone but the “Home 2” label on phone goes blank.)
· Conflict resolution for contacts is weak (especially for items that were edited on both Outlook & Android since the last server syncrhonization). There is no automated, time-of-editing based conflict resolution, merge, or helpful information-- just a blind choice pop-up warning box on the PC: “Keep Outlook, Keep Google, Skip, or Cancel.”
· Additional software runs on PC all the time.
· Contact synchronization is slow and not very incremental or efficient. Contact sync takes ~2 minutes for 1000 contacts and uses ~30% CPU on my 2.3GHz quad core PC. (However, Google Calendar Sync is fast and seems efficient.)
· Error messages, like program “stopped working” and cryptic syncrhonization error messages frequently pop up. Aside from being annoying, it’s rather worrisome in that it does not inspire confidence that data is being properly preserved and synced.

Pros for both methods:
· Free.
· No app needed on phone.

Cons for both methods:
· Calendar categories in Outlook are not synced to Android.
· Not all Outlook contact fields are supported. Some fields (notably “Notes”) are limited in length. (This seems to be an Android limitation.)
· Contact & calendar data are stored on the cloud servers (for those who are anti-cloud).

Bottom line for me:
I tried both but I prefer the Hotmail method. It just works, hassle free, with no CPU/memory burden, and with full confidence.
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RazzMaTazz - You obviously spent a lot of time researching both methods and you analysis is very interesting. Once I get my Android I will probably try both methods to see which I prefer. I actually was not aware of the Hotmail method until I saw it here. With my current setup (BlackBerry) the sync is not an issue since it is built in (probably the only big advantage that BB has over Android).
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RazzMaTazz has presented a well written, comprehensive instruction on how to sync Android phones using Hotmail and many have been able to implement the process. I have an Atrix phone but I have not been able to get it to work on my phone. Are there any Atrix users here that HAVE been able to get it to work? If so, what exactly did you do to achieve this (my issue has been finding something similar to "ActiveSync" on the Atrix)? Thanks in advance for any replies given. Peace!
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I am a former BB user so I can probably share some of my experience with you in syncing your Android phone. You are certainly correct, syncing with BB is so seamless that it is hardly noticable; even when you first use the phone. If you are considering the Atrix, just know that I have spent considerable time attempting to use the Hotmail sync as detailed here (a very nice job, I might add) and have not been able to get it to work. Others here using differing types of phones have been able able to do it successfully. Just research the type of phone that you want to purchase to asertain whether it can use the instructions detailed here (most probably can). I hope this helps. Peace!



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RazzMaTazz - You obviously spent a lot of time researching both methods and you analysis is very interesting. Once I get my Android I will probably try both methods to see which I prefer. I actually was not aware of the Hotmail method until I saw it here. With my current setup (BlackBerry) the sync is not an issue since it is built in (probably the only big advantage that BB has over Android).
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carawlins - thanks for the advice but I have several criteria requirements (4G LTE is highest) and since I know that I will be able to use at least one method for sync then I can look at other criteria.

As I mentioned above there are several other metods to sync so I am sure that I can find one I like.
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To follow up on RazzMaTazz comment about the fields that sync between Outlook and Gmail using Go Contact Sync Mod - the home 2 field does transfer (it shows as home). The phone fileds that do not sync are:
Call back
Company
Isdn
Other fax
Radio
Telex
TTY/TTD

If anyone runs a test on the HotMail method I would be interested if they could list the phone fields that do not transfer
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Apparently a new app for hotmail was just released "androidcentral Official Hotmail app now available in the Android Market Official Hotmail app now available in the Android Market | Android Central "

Does this change anything about using this hotmail sync with Outlook?
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Hi RazzMaTazz,

Thanks so much for this very informative post. I'm wondering if you think that your approach with Hotmail would help me in trying to combine my Outlook calendar and contacts from work (exchange server) with a personal Outlook calendar and contacts that I have at home in a .pst, so that the superset of these two can be synched to my phone. I don't want my personal calendar or contacts to be added to my work Outlook and I don't want my work calendar or contacts to be added to my personal Outlook at home.

I currently have my work calendar and contacts being synced to my Bionic using Corporate Sync. I'm just not sure if there is any way to somehow combine the work and personal calendars together and the work and personal contacts together onto my phone.

I used to be able to do what I needed with Funambol, using their 1-way sync between outlook client1 (work) and myFunambol and also using their 1-way sync between outlook client2 (home) and my Funambol, with a 1-way sync going between MyFunambol and my phone. Unfortunately, they eliminated the 1-way sync option because it was causing confusion for users, even though it worked perfectly for my use case.

Any thoughts you have would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your time.
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Hi RazzMaTazz,

Thanks so much for this very informative post. I'm wondering if you think that your approach with Hotmail would help me in trying to combine my Outlook calendar and contacts from work (exchange server) with a personal Outlook calendar and contacts that I have at home in a .pst, so that the superset of these two can be synched to my phone. I don't want my personal calendar or contacts to be added to my work Outlook and I don't want my work calendar or contacts to be added to my personal Outlook at home.

I currently have my work calendar and contacts being synced to my Bionic using Corporate Sync. I'm just not sure if there is any way to somehow combine the work and personal calendars together and the work and personal contacts together onto my phone.

I used to be able to do what I needed with Funambol, using their 1-way sync between outlook client1 (work) and myFunambol and also using their 1-way sync between outlook client2 (home) and my Funambol, with a 1-way sync going between MyFunambol and my phone. Unfortunately, they eliminated the 1-way sync option because it was causing confusion for users, even though it worked perfectly for my use case.

Any thoughts you have would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your time.
It should work AFAIK. Your phone will treat both calendars as separate calendars, one as an exchange calendar, while the other is a hotmail calendar. On your phone, simply go to Calendar app>Settings>Calendars and enable both calendars to show. The Calendar app should show the entries simultaneously.
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Thanks for your response ChanChan05. I did some testing with the calendar last night and it seemed to work. I just need to test some contacts and see how they work.

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To follow up on RazzMaTazz comment about the fields that sync between Outlook and Gmail using Go Contact Sync Mod - the home 2 field does transfer (it shows as home). The phone fileds that do not sync are: Callback, Company, Isdn, Other fax, Radio, Telex, TTY/TTD. If anyone runs a test on the HotMail method I would be interested if they could list the phone fields that do not transfer.

I tested all but the most obscure fields on both Hotmail (which was noted in my original post) and Gmail.

The 24 Hotmail-synchronized fields (with the phone's data field label in parentheses where different from Outlook) are:
First name, Last name, Company, Suffix, Home phone, Home2 phone (also “Home”), Home fax, Business phone (“Work”), Business2 phone (also “Work), Business fax, Home fax #, Mobile #, Pager #, Radio #, Email 1, Email 2, Email 3, Office address, Home address, Nickname, Website, IM, Birthday (which can’t be edited from the phone), & Notes.

The 26 Go Contact Sync Mod-synchronized fields (with the phone's data field label in parentheses where different from Outlook) are:
First name, Last name, Suffix, Home phone, Home2 phone (also “Home”), Home fax, Business phone (“Work”), Business2 phone (also “Work”), Business fax (“Work fax”), Home fax #, Mobile #, Pager #, Assistant # (blank field label), Car phone (“Work Fax”), Other# (“Main”), Email 1, Email 2 (“Email Home”), Email 3 (“Email Work”), Office address (“Work Address”), Home address, Other address, Nickname, Birthday (which can’t be edited from phone), Anniversary (which can’t be edited from phone), Notes, & Contact photo.

* Note that for both Hotmail and Go Contact Sync Mod, although some fields appear as duplicates on the phone (e.g. Home & Home 2 both appear as “Home” on the phone) if those fields are edited on the phone they are synchronized properly with Outlook. (I’m not sure how Gmail or Hotmail keeps track of them.)

Hotmail syncs the following 1 field with Android that Go Contact Sync Mod does not sync:
Radio #.

Go Contact Sync Mod syncs the following 3 fields with Android that Hotmail does not sync:
Other address, Anniversary, & Contact Photo.

Some of the many Outlook fields that both Hotmail & Go Contacts do not sync with Android are:
Other #, TTY/TDD #, Company Main #, ISDN#, Callback #, Primary #, Other fax #, Assistant name, Department, Account, Children, Profession, Spouse, Gender, Office Location, Sensitivity, Journal, User Fields, et al.
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Does this change anything about using this hotmail sync with Outlook?
I could be wrong but that new Hotmail app doesn't seem to help with contact/calendar synchronization but it brings some better integration for Windows Live features, like photos. I'm not going to bother with it unless I hear something great about it.
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I'm wondering if you think that your approach with Hotmail would help me in trying to combine my Outlook calendar and contacts from work (exchange server) with a personal Outlook calendar and contacts that I have at home in a .pst, so that the superset of these two can be synched to my phone. I don't want my personal calendar or contacts to be added to my work Outlook and I don't want my work calendar or contacts to be added to my personal Outlook at home.

I currently have my work calendar and contacts being synced to my Bionic using Corporate Sync. I'm just not sure if there is any way to somehow combine the work and personal calendars together and the work and personal contacts together onto my phone.
I don't have an Exchange Server to test it with, but I think it should work. You're just setting up multiple accounts so you should be able to pick and choose whether you want to sync each account and "display" the calendar or contacts for each account. Please let us know if it works.
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RazzMaTazz - thanks for doing all that work. Your response is very comprehensive.
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I use OutlookReflex to do this job. But its great option to sync our outlook and android.

Will it work for all android versions?
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My outlook does not sync, I have added the hotmail connector, added my hotmail address, it says mapi as type, I have done a send/recieve several times, I have deleted everything[/U][/B]and started over several times, the server status in the bottom right corner says "contecting" and always says contecting....It has been 2 days and does not change, I cant figure out what I have done wrong or missed.
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