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Hallelujah! For Android version 2.2 or newer, we no longer need 3rd party software or an Exchange Server to synchronize contacts and/or calendar items with Microsoft Outlook or Windows Live Mail programs (which I'll collectively refer to here as "Outlook").

Hotmail, MSN Mail, Microsoft Live Mail, & Outlook.com (which collectively I'll refer to as "Hotmail") now enable synchronization between Outlook and Android's standard, built-in apps for contacts (a.k.a. "people"), calendar, and email through Android's built-in ActiveSync functionality. And you don't even need to use Hotmail for email. If you're not familiar with Hotmail, it's Microsoft's free webmail service, which is similar to Gmail or Yahoo Mail except that Hotmail contacts & calendars integrate & synchronize nicely with Outlook. You simply need to do the following:
1) For Outlook users (not Windows Live Mail users) on your PC, install Microsoft's free Outlook add-in called "Outlook Hotmail Connector" (which enables Outlook to syncrhonize with Hotmail).
2) Add a free Hotmail account to Outlook 2010, or add it to Outlook 2003/2007, or add it to Windows Live Mail. Be sure to add it as a MAPI account, not as a POP or IMAP account. The Hotmail account with new folders for contacts & calendar will appear on the left-side Navigation Pane of Outlook below your current email accounts. In order to see it you should have the Navigation Pane turned on, and you should be in the "Folder List View" (Ctrl+6).
3) Copy & paste (or import) your contacts & calendar to those new folders in Outlook. (See instructions below under the headers, "To migrate..." and "To move...")
4) Add your Hotmail account to your phone by going into your email app, hitting the settings button, and selecting "Add Account" (or something similar). Then:
---A) Select "Corporate" (even though it's not technically corporate).
---B) Enter your Hotmail email address and password.
---C) Domain\Username: Clear it out and enter your full Hotmail address.
---D) Password: Enter your Hotmail password.
---E) Server: s.outlook.com.
---F) Check SSL boxes and hit "Next".
---G) Choose/checkmark the desired sync categories, like email, contacts, & calendar.
---H) Enter your desired in-box name (which is how Android will label it in your list of in-boxes).


That's really all there is to it. But following is a detailed explanation of some key points and answers to many of the questions that have been asked on this thread.

You do not need to use Hotmail for email and you don't need to use the Hotmail app. You can still use Gmail (or whatever POP or IMAP email service you prefer) as your primary email account on Outlook and on your Android device. You can choose whether or not to sync and/or view Hotmail as an additional email account, or as your primary email account, or not at all. (See below.) Many of us use Hotmail primarily to sync our contacts & calendar while using Gmail, Yahoo Mail, etc. for our primary email accounts.

All of your Outlook/Hotmail contacts will appear in a "contacts" folder on the left-side Navigation Pane of Outlook, under your Hotmail account, and will automatically appear inside the standard built-in Android app for contacts, along with any Gmail contacts, if you like. But at any time, you can simply change the ActiveSync settings on your Android device for each Hotmail and Gmail account to choose whether you want to sync the contacts in each of those accounts. (To do so, open the Android Contacts app, press the settings button, select "Accounts", and then tap each account to toggle sync on/off.) You can use your Hotmail-based contacts to make phone calls, send emails (from whichever email account you choose), get turn-by-turn directions, etc, just like you would with a Gmail-based "Google Contact".

All of your Outlook/Hotmail calendar items will appear in a calendar on the left-side Navigation Pane of Outlook, under your Hotmail account, and will automatically appear inside the standard built-in Android calendar app along with any Gmail calendar items, if you like. (The items will be color-coded by account.) But at any time, you can simply change the ActiveSync settings on your Android device for each Hotmail and Gmail account to choose whether you want to sync and/or view the calendar items in each of those accounts. (To do so, open the Android calendar app, press the settings button, select "More", then "Calendars", and then tap each account to cycle through the option of synced/visible, synced/not-visible, or not-synced/not-visible.)

All of your Outlook/Hotmail email items will appear in folders (inbox, draft, sent, etc.) on the left-side Navigation Pane of Outlook, under your Hotmail account, and automatically appear inside the standard built-in Android "Email" app along with any Gmail email items, in a "merged" inbox if you like. (The emails will be color-coded by account.) Or you can choose to view the inbox for each account separately. (To do so, open the Android Email app, press the settings button, then select "Accounts" and make your selection of which inbox to view.) Or at any time, you can simply change the ActiveSync settings on your Android device for each Hotmail and Gmail account to choose whether you want to even sync the email items in each of those accounts. (From the home screen, press the settings button, select "Settings", then "Accounts & sync", and make your selections for each account. Under "Email check frequency" select "Never" if you don't want to sync Hotmail email.)

So for example: On your Android devices you could choose to sync both your Hotmail email and Gmail IMAP email. You could choose make your Gmail account your default inbox (but you can also easily check your Hotmail inbox anytime you like, and you can send mail from either account). And you could choose to view and sync the contacts and calendar for a Hotmail account (but not to sync contacts and calendar with Gmail). Then your email, contacts, and calendar items would be perfectly syncrhonized between all of your Outlook-PCs and all of your Android devices. (This example is how I synchronize my desktop PC, laptop PC, and Android phone.)

Bonus points:
Synchronization is done over any Internet connection (cellular-data, WiFi, or wired).

The synchronization can be set up to syncrhonize automatically (push new stuff), manually, or on a timed basis (like once per day or once per hour).

Your contacts and calendar will also be available through Hotmail's (password-protected) web interface, from any device with web browsing capability, just like Gmail or Yahoo Mail.

If you have multiple PCs running Outlook, your contacts, calendar, and Hotmail can be synchronized across all of your PCs (as well as multiple Android devices) through Hotmail.

If you use this method to synchronize your contacts, your contacts will appear on your phone in your contacts folder like normal, but if you open a contact to edit it, you will notice that it is designated as a "Corporate Contact" (which is a misnomer) rather than a "Google Contact" and those contacts will be out of reach from very scary Google. (But of course, then Microsoft will have access to them... which you may or may not find as scary.)

No third party software app is needed on your phone or your PC.

Caveats:
You need to install an Outlook add-in called Outlook Hotmail Connector (which is a free download from Microsoft that enables Outlook to syncrhonize with Hotmail).

You must keep your Outlook contacts and calendar events in the default contacts and calendar folders of your Hotmail account on Outlook.

Your Hotmail contact, calendar, & email items will not be synchronized with Gmail (which is arguably a good thing if you don't trust Google with your contact information).

Your phone's built-in voice dialer will work with the Hotmail contacts, but "Google Voice Search" will not recognize those contacts (unless you also keep those contacts on the Gmail servers). That's because "Google Voice Search" searches through the contacts on the Gmail servers, not the contacts on your phone. If you want to use Google Voice Search on your contacts, you could occassionally export your Outlook/Hotmail contacts to a CSV file, and then import the CSV file into Gmail contacts or periodically upload through Go Contacts Sync Mod one-way from Outlook to Gmail (but not necessarily sync them with your Android device).

Although Outlook supports multiple contacts folders and subfolders for each email account, Hotmail only supports a single contact folder. If you want to maintain and synchronize multiple separate contacts folders on Outlook & on your Android devices, then you must create multiple Hotmail accounts and add them to Outlook and the Email app on your Android devices.

Although Outlook and Hotmail support multiple calendars, only the default calendar will be syncrhonized with Android. If you want to maintain multiple calendars on Outlook, then you must create multiple Hotmail accounts and add them to Outlook and the Email app on your Android devices. Alternatively, you can use the Hotmail app.

Each field in Hotmail (like Name, Company Name, Street Address, Notes, etc.) has a maximum number characters that can be synchronized with the Hotmail servers. The specific limits for each field vary, but based on information from Microsoft's website, it seems that: most name fields are limited to 40 characters, street address fields are limited to 256 characters, company names and titles are limited to 120 characters, and the notes field is limited to 1024 characters. You can have more characters than that in the Outlook contact on your PC, but the data will be truncated on Hotmail the server and on the Android device, so you should probably try to stay within those limits. If, on Outlook, you try to copy or create a Hotmail contact that exceeds the maximum character limit, you will be warned and asked to confirm that you are willing to truncate the data on the Hotmail server. When you create a Hotmail contact from your phone, your phone won't let you type more than the maximum number of characters for a given field.

At this point, contact photos are not synchronized, though you can input photos on Outlook and on Android.

Not all of Outlook's other fields are synchronized with the phone because (I think) Android doesn't have such fields to contain them. For example, "Categories" will not be synchronized from Outlook to the phone, but it will remain in Outlook. The list of synchronized fields seems to have grown since I first posted this article. As of 10/5/11...

Only the following 24 fields synchronize between Outlook & Android through Hotmail:
First name, Last name, Company, Suffix, Home phone, Home2 phone, Home fax, Business phone, Business2 phone, Business fax, Home fax #, Mobile #, Pager #, Radio #, Email 1, Email 2, Email 3, Office address, Home address, Nickname, Website, IM, Birthday*, & Notes.

* The birthday field from Outlook displays in the Hotmail/Android contact and on the Hotmail/Android calendar, but you cannot edit the birthday field on the Android device.

To migrate from Gmail-based contacts to Hotmail-based calendar & contact from Outlook:
1) Make sure that all of your contacts (from your phone & Gmail) are in an Outlook Contact folder on your PC. (You may wish to back them up for safety.)
2) Delete all of your Gmail contacts from your Gmail account and your phone (if you don't want duplicates) or change the ActiveSync settings to stop synchronizing contacts with Gmail.
3) Add a Hotmail account to Outlook.
4) Copy & paste the contacts from your Outlook contacts folder into to your Hotmail contacts folder. That is, open your old contacts folder, left-click on any contact, then hit Ctrl+A (select all) and Ctrl+C (copy). Then open up your Hotmail contacts folder, left-click anywhere inside of it and hit Ctrl+V (paste).
5) Add that same Hotmail account to the Email app on your Android device and set up your synchronization preferences.

To prevent spammers from creating Hotmail accounts for spamming, Hotmail used to have an initial, temporary contact limit of 1500-contacts. However, as of June 2012, it appears that limit may have been extended to 3000 contacts. In either case, it appears (from my research) that Hotmail will increase your limit to 6000 contacts over time (as you prove to them that you're not just a temporary spammer account). Or you can log into your Hotmail account and provide your mobile phone number in the SMS settings. (If you provide your mobile number, and if you add your social networking sites (which is not necessary), then you may want to review your Windows Live/Hotmail profile and remove the checkmarks for "notifications" so that you don't receive update notifications from your social networking sites.) At one point (to thwart spammers) Hotmail only allowed 1000 contacts to be imported at one time. I'm not sure if they've eliminated that restriction. If that restriction is still in place and you have more than 1000 contacts, you'll have to copy them over in multiple tries in groups of less than 1000.

Also note that, "contact groups" (i.e. email distribution lists) may not be transferred from Outlook/Hotmail to the Hotmail servers or to the phone. So, for example, if you have ten "contact groups" in your Outlook/Hotmail contacts folder, you might notice that you will have ten fewer "contacts" in the Hotmail web interface or on the phone.

To move your calendar from your Outlook Personal folders calendar to your Hotmail-based calendar:
1) Right click the icon for your old calendar and select "Copy folder".
2) In the menu that appears, select the destination Hotmail contacts folder.

From that point on, stop using the "contacts" folder and "calendar" folder in your "Outlook Data File" on Outlook, and start using the "contacts" folder and "calendar" folder under your Hotmail account (which you'll find on the left-side Navigation Pane of Outlook). Your Outlook/Hotmail contacts & calendar will be synchronized between your Outlook-PCs and your Android devices. You may even want to collapse your "Outlook Data File" so that you don't have to look at it or accidentally use it. The contacts and calendar folders in your Hotmail account (on Outlook and on the web and on your phone) will not synchronize with the contacts folders in your Outlook Data File.

When creating contacts or calendar events on your Android device, be sure to create them under your Hotmail account (which will appear as an option when you create a new item).

In Outlook, you may want to go into your "Account Settings" and change your default "Data File" to your Hotmail account. (In Outlook 2010, go to File/Account Settings --> Data File tab, then select your Hotmail account and clicked "Set as default".) That way if you add a contact from within an email or create a draft mail, etc, it will end up in your Hotmail account.

If you receive email-based calendar invitations in a Gmail account (or any other IMAP or POP account) and you want to be able to accept them to your Hotmail calendar, but you don't want to change your default "Data File" as described in the previous paragraph, then you should probably implement a rule in Outlook for each of those inboxes, whereby you move a copy of such email-calendar-invitations to the Hotmail Inbox, "with specific words in the header" and I set the specific header words to "calendar". If you do so, Outlook will automatically move a copy of calendar invitations from those inboxes to your Hotmail Inbox. Then if you accept the invitation, it appears on the Hotmail calendar. (It's an inelegant workaround, but it works.)

At last... a good, free, synchronization option for Outlook! Goodbye Gmail Contacts. Hello Outlook/Hotmail.

P.S. I periodically update this original post to cover questions and feedback contained in the following posts, so please don't feel that you need to read the next several pages of posts in order to get a better understanding. You'll be able to see below when I last edited this post.

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This looks like it might be interesting but I had a few questions.
Do you have to sync over the cellular network? Wouldn't this syncing count against your minutes? Can you just use data connections to sync?
How would a calendar app on the phone work with this calendar data since it is not using the Google calendar?

Thanks for the info.
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Synchronization is done over any data connection to the Internet (cellular, WiFi, or wired) so it shouldn't count against voice minutes. It's just data.

The synchronization works with the built-in standard Android apps for email, calendar, and contacts (a.k.a. "people"). Those apps are not tied to Gmail.
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In other words, it's setting up Hotmail via ActiveSync.
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Yes. But if I'm not mistaken, Microsoft only recently enabled the synchronization of Hotmail contacts and calendar with Android devices. And as you can see from the question posted above, many people don't understand that the standard, built-in Android apps for email, contacts, and calendar are not tied strictly to Gmail, and can be used with Hotmail. Consequently many Android/Outlook users are relying on one of the 42 third-party synchronization apps which have been developed-- many of which are expensive, don't work well, require software to be loaded on both your PC & your Android device, and require you to go through a lot of hassle. In fact there is an entire website dedicated to evaluating the pros and cons of these 3rd party apps. (I guess that most Android/Outlook users will avoid these 3rd party apps once they learn that all you need to do is add a free Hotmail account!)

If you search this forum for the word "Outlook" you'll find many, many questions and discussions about how to synchronize Outlook with Android (without an Exchange Server), none of which mention that this new, simple solution of adding a Hotmail account to your standard built-in Android "Email" app (thereby utilizing Android's built-in "ActiveSync"). In fact, when I first got an Android phone around February 2011, I spent many, many hours searching this forum and the rest of the Web, trying to find a good, free (or cheap) Outlook synchronization solution, but I couldn't find one. So I posted this solution for others who may be searching for a good, free Outlook synchronization solution.
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.... In fact, when I first got an Android phone around February 2011, I spent many, many hours searching this forum and the rest of the Web, trying to find a good, free (or cheap) Outlook synchronization solution, but I couldn't find one. So I posted this solution for others who may be searching for a good, free Outlook synchronization solution.

MyPhoneExplorer - syncs locally from PC to Android from Outlook. No need to get Hotmail involved. Free.

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Thanks to the OP - I might have to try this out soon and see if it works for me.
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dvhttn: I was using MyPhoneExplorer but I stopped using it because:
1) It only handled 16 of the most commonly used Outlook contact fields (see list below), therefore much of the contact information doesn't appear on the phone.
2) When the phone is resynchronized with the PC MyPhoneExplorer overwrites (i.e. effectively deletes) all other less commonly used Outlook fields from the contacts on the PC, and therefore irreparably damages the Outlook contacts on the PC! Examples of fields which are not synchronized, and which will be forever deleted from one's Outlook contacts include Categories, Other address, Business2 phone, Home2 phone, & Assistant's name, but I guess there are more than 100 other such Outlook fields that MyPhoneExplorer destroys.
3) MyPhoneExplorer is a hassle to use because it requires the user to start an app on the PC, be on the same WiFi/wired network as the PC, and then run the syncrhonization.
4) MyPhoneExplorer requires the user to load and run software on both the phone and the PC.
5) MyPhoneExplorer does not enable automatic synchronization of contacts and calendar items between multiple PCs.


MyPhoneExplorer only syncrhonizes the following 16 Outlook fields.
1) First name
2) Last name
3) Company name
4) Home phone
5) Mobile phone
6) Business phone
7) Fax
8) Other phone
9) Home address
10 Work address
11) Email1
12) Email2
13) Email3
14) Web page
15 Info/Notes
16) Birthday
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Sounding like a dolt but what is the "standard" contacts app? I have an evo and can only find a "People" app.

I'm thrilled that an end might be in sight for me and my outlook/hotmail/gmail syncing nonsense.
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Interesting, thanks for the comprehensive write-up.

However, if I understand it correctly, you can sync your Hotmail contacts with your phone.

You can manage your Hotmail contacts inside Outlook, but you cannot sync your Outlook contacts with your phone.

i.e. for this process to work, you have to move your Outlook contacts into Hotmail only (and so, out of Outlook). So, you are not keeping a local copy of your contacts.

Right?
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Interesting, thanks for the comprehensive write-up.

However, if I understand it correctly, you can sync your Hotmail contacts with your phone.

You can manage your Hotmail contacts inside Outlook, but you cannot sync your Outlook contacts with your phone.

i.e. for this process to work, you have to move your Outlook contacts into Hotmail only (and so, out of Outlook). So, you are not keeping a local copy of your contacts.

Right?
Wrong, as far as I can understand from RazzMaTazz's explanations, which indicate that your Hotmail folder will look like a new PST in your Outlook sidebar. So, you will keep a local copy it seems. But the best is to try foroneself I guess (wich I waill as soon as I find some contiguous available time).
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Cool RazzMaTazz, thanks a lot! Will try as soon as I find time.

One question though: you said that this method won't allow to sync with a google account, unless one goes through the hassle of exporting-importing, which I won't. Does anyone see an easy workaround to this ?
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For your information guys :
The outlook Hotmail has some other limitations : while copying (yes, I don't move them yet, it's just a test) my Outlook contacts to the Hotmail contacts, it complains that some company names are longer than 40 characters and informs that it will truncate it.
Same for some other field (but it doesn't say which one: it only says "The text", lame) that will be truncated to 1024 characters.
Same for the First name: 40 chars

Also, the copying is rather painful, as a popup asks for confirmation whenever these limits are encountered.
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Wrong, as far as I can understand from RazzMaTazz's explanations, which indicate that your Hotmail folder will look like a new PST in your Outlook sidebar. So, you will keep a local copy it seems. But the best is to try foroneself I guess (wich I waill as soon as I find some contiguous available time).
I have done some investigating:

1) It does not create a new .pst file for your Hotmail contacts
2) It does not add your Hotmail contacts to your outlook.pst
3) It does keep a locally cached copy of your Hotmail contacts


1) - I searched for *.pst and *.ost files and found new ones
2) - Look at properties for your Outlook and Hotmail contacts. Outlook is stored in //outlook, hotmail are stored in //xxx@hotmail.com
3) - removing web connectivity still allows access to your Hotmail contacts

I cannot find where the local cache of the Hotmail contacts is. It would be good to know where this is, for backup purposes.


EDIT: I found it:

C:\Users\Username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Outlook\ emailaddress@hotmail.com.ost

So, there is a local copy and it is in a separate file. Unfortunately:

a) it is an .ost file, not a .pst, so there is not much you can do with it (and restoring from it will be a hassle)
b) it seems the location is fixed and not moveable. Anothe hassle if oyu like to store your data in locations other than the defaults.

So, a mix of news, some good, some not so good
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Other information / limitation :
I have 1800 contacts in my Outlook Hotmail contacts. Only 1000 of them appear on Hotmail's online contacts.
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I'm just a user of MPE, not associated with them at all but ...

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dvhttn: I was using MyPhoneExplorer but I stopped using it because:
1) It only handled 16 of the most commonly used Outlook contact fields (see list below), therefore much of the contact information doesn't appear on the phone. ...
That's plenty enough for me and, I would guess, most other users.

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2) When the phone is resynchronized with the PC MyPhoneExplorer overwrites (i.e. effectively deletes) all other less commonly used Outlook fields from the contacts on the PC, and therefore irreparably damages the Outlook contacts on the PC! Examples of fields which are not synchronized, and which will be forever deleted from one's Outlook contacts include Categories, Other address, Business2 phone, Home2 phone, & Assistant's name, but I guess there are more than 100 other such Outlook fields that MyPhoneExplorer destroys.
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Not noticed this at all. I have never noticed anything getting deleted from my Outlook contacts ot calendar by MPE. Did you post the issue on their Forums? What was the reply? The dev. is very responsive.


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4) MyPhoneExplorer requires the user to load and run software on both the phone and the PC.
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And the problem is? To me there is no problem with that as I do need, and see no future need for, syncing any faster, or syncing away from my own PC. You can always use Tasker to start MPE on the phone whenever in range of your home wifi if you're that concerned.

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5) MyPhoneExplorer does not enable automatic synchronization of contacts and calendar items between multiple PCs.
Not tried. I've done this before with Nokia phones with no problems and can envisage ways of doing so with MPE. Again, not a problem to me.

Not trying to knock your app but for my purposes MPE works very well.

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Thanks for the feeback. I did some research and, for the benefit of newcomers to the thread, I've edited the original post to include the new information learned through everyone's feedback. I'll address some specific questions in more detail below.

When you add a Hotmail account to Outlook, it will appear on the left Navigation Pane of Outlook, below any existing email accounts. This assumes that you have the Navigation Pane turned on and that your viewing with the folders-list view (Ctrl+6). The new Hotmail account inside Outlook will contain folders (icons) for contacts, calendar, inbox, drafts, etc, just like those that are inside the "Outlook Data File" that you're probably now using for contacts and calendar. Move your contacts and calendar items into the Hotmail folders and start using the Hotmail contact & calendar folders from that point on. In fact, you may want to just collapse your "Outlook Data File" so that you don't have to look at it.

Hotmail only allows 1000 contacts to be imported at one time. If you have more than 1000 contacts, you'll have to copy them over in multiple tries.

Each field in Hotmail (like Name, Company Name, Street Address, Notes, etc.) has a maximum number characters that can be synchronized with the Hotmail servers, but they seem quite generous, which is why I didn't notice any issue for my contacts. The specifc limits for each field are at this link but to generally summarize it seems that: most name fields are limited to 40 characters, street address fields are limited to 256 characters, company names and titles are limited to 120 characters, and the notes field is limited to 1024 characters. You can have more characters than that in your Outlook contact, but the data will be truncated on the server and on the Android device.

You can backup everything in your Hotmail account by "exporting" it as a ".PST" file (which then can easily be imported into any other type of Outlook account). Or you can export as a CSV file, etc. Instructions for exporting vary depending on the version of Outlook. (Just search on how to export in Outlook.) Default file locations also vary depending on the version of Outlook. (I think it changed starting with Outlook 2007.) Although I do periodically back-up my Outlook stuff, I take great comfort in knowing that Microsoft/Hotmail does backups and (to prevent data loss from natural or man-made disasters) runs redundant/mirrored RAID server farms in different geographic locations. It's far more likely that I'll lose my Outlook data because my house burns down or gets robbed, than because Microsoft/Hotmail loses my data. I worry about this stuff so I do back-up my photos & videos, both at my house, and "off-site" (at my parents' house) but I don't do an off-site back-up of my Outlook stuff since it's on Microsoft's & Google's redundant server farms.

If for some reason you want your Outlook contacts to be on Gmail, you can either use 3rd party software, or periodically export your Hotmail contacts to a CSV file and import them into Gmail.
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dvhttn: Hotmail is not an app. If you add a free Hotmail account to Outlook & your Android device, the syncrhonization happens automatically, through Android's built-in ActveSync, for all Outlook data fields, with zero user intervention. If you prefer to deal with all of the hassles, limitations, and memory usage of MyPhoneExplorer (MPE) that I listed above, that's fine. As you know from using MPE and visiting the MPE forum (where I've seen you post) MPE also has a whole big bunch of other bugs and limitations on the calendar functionality, hardware compatibility, contacts, etc, which I didn't even mention above. But hey, it's free. And if it's good enough for you, then I'm happy for you.

A couple months ago when I reported to the developer that MPE could irreparably damage people's Outlook databases, the developer's only response was that it's "known". They knew that it could ruin people's databases but they never even bothered to warn anyone!!! And they didn't say they'd fix it.

My original post was intended to introduce the Hotmail solution to people like me who find products like MPE unacceptable, and who want free, automatic syncrhonization of all Outlook data fields and calendar and events. Rather than discussing the pros and cons of each of the 42 third-party Outlook-synchronization software solutions, I think it would be best to limit the discussion on this thread to the Hotmail solution.
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I have Android 2.2.2 and don't see the hotmail account in contacts and calendar. Is this for the new OS 2.3 only? thanks

Edit. I figured it out. You have to add a sync account, not an email app account. Follow the instructions verbatim on the link RazzMaTazz listed in the beginning hyperlink - "Add that Hotmail account to the standard, built-in Android "Email" app." Then the hotmail account shows up under contacts and calendar. I'm still waiting on a way to sync my outlook task list...
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dvhttn: Hotmail is not an app. ....
Ummm. I know. I never said it was .... But I see I didn't use the right words when I said 'I don't want to knock your app', so I implied it was an app I suppose. Bad choice of words from me.

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PS: it sounds like a reasonable way to sync Outlook to Android except for the fact that I do things the way I do because I don't want to sync via the interweb, just locally between phone and PC.
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Having looked through the various forums the main problem for me is that Outlook catergories which I assign with colours are not supported by Android so neither MPE, Hotmail or indded any sync app is going to solve that issue.
Second from the above postings the only fields that MPE will NOT sync over and above Hotmail are:
Business 2
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Home Fax
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None of which I use which really means I have no reason to stop using MyPhoneExplorer
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spile: Your list above should include Company Phone #, Car Phone #, Radio #, Nickname, and Suffix. (There may be more, but I haven't tested them all.)

If you prefer to deal with all of the aforementioned hassles, limitations, and memory usage of MyPhoneExplorer, that's perfectly fine with me.

Rather than debate the pros and cons of each of the 42 third-party Outlook synchronization solutions, I think it would be best to limit the discussion on this thread to the Hotmail solution.
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RazzMaTazz,

Thank you for all your hard work. I have not yet had time to research all of your information, but can you tell me if the Outlook add-in you refer to as Outlook Connection is the same program as Outlook Hotmail Connector as discussed here:

Microsoft Office Outlook Hotmail Connector overview - Outlook - Office.com

I'm trying to figure out if your sync method (which sounds very good to me) is related to the above methodologies recommended by Microsoft.

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rwk: Yes. In my original post, I had mistakenly called the add-in "Outlook Connector", instead of "Outlook Hotmail Connector" but you and I linked to the same Microsoft web page. FYI: I've used the Outlook Hotmail Connector add-in with Office 2010, Office 2007, and Office 2003. Works great.
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Razz, appreciate the effort so far, but this is by no means as simple as you make it out to be. I already had Outlook Connector setup in Outlook, but I had my Hotmail account setup as a POP3 account, so it wasn't syncing to Windows Live. I changed that and deleted the POP3 account on my Android phone and created an Exchange-based account per the instructions. I don't want my e-mails syncing to my phone by default, so I did not set that up. I also don't need my calendar to sync to Windows Live since I have a plug-in in Outlook that syncs the calendar to my phone without having to go to the cloud first. Why M$ doesn't do the same for contacts is beyond me. Anyway, contacts is the only thing I want to sync from Outlook to the phone. Although I have that checked on my phone, I can't figure out how to get Outlook to sync to Windows Live. I copied all my contacts from my default phone book to the newly created Windows Live phonebook, but there's no command or setting in Outlook or in Windows Live to actually cause a sync to happen. Any ideas?

EDIT: OK, apparently Outlook finally synced with Windows Live and all my contacts are now there. Unfortunately, Windows Live has not synced with my phone and I have no idea why or how to force a sync. Within the contact app I click on Sync SNS, but nothing happens. I have a few contacts in Outlook that are not on my phone and vice versa, so I'll know when it actually does sync. In the settings for the Hotmail account on the phone I have Contacts checked, but I am not syncing my calendar or my e-mail. Does e-mail syncing need to be on for the other items to sync?
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This is very good news for folks who use Outlook and aren't connected to an Exchange server...having a native ActiveSync option like this available is a great option, and should be pretty popular with folks who have been frustrated in the past w/third-party solutions.

Kudos for the post and the excellent detail/helpful instructions.
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Razz, appreciate the effort so far, but this is by no means as simple as you make it out to be. I already had Outlook Connector setup in Outlook, but I had my Hotmail account setup as a POP3 account, so it wasn't syncing to Windows Live.
Thanks for the feedback. I'm sorry that you had trouble. I didn't realize that you could set up Hotmail as a POP account in Outlook. Outlook 2010 automaticaly creates a MAPI (not POP) account in Outlook for Hotmail or Live Mail. I just added an account to an old PC that's running Outlook 2003. In Outlook 2003, I see that there are options for the account type, and that you must select "Additional Server Types" and then "Microsoft Outlook Hotmail Connector". I'll edit my original post to include a link for setting up Outlook 2007 & 2003.

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I can't figure out how to get Outlook to sync to Windows Live. I copied all my contacts from my default phone book to the newly created Windows Live phonebook, but there's no command or setting in Outlook or in Windows Live to actually cause a sync to happen. Any ideas?
From within Outlook, you can manually force a synchronization with Hotmail/Windows Live (the same way that you would send/receive email) which is to either hit the "Send/Receive" button or to hit "F9" key on your keyboard. You can adjust the Send/Receive settings in Outlook to automatically synchronize at whatever interval you like. I set mine to 5 minutes. The instructions for doing this varies with the version of Outlook so I won't post them here, since people can use "Help" from within Outlook to search on "Send & Receive Settings".


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Unfortunately, Windows Live has not synced with my phone and I have no idea why or how to force a sync. Within the contact app I click on Sync SNS, but nothing happens. I have a few contacts in Outlook that are not on my phone and vice versa, so I'll know when it actually does sync. In the settings for the Hotmail account on the phone I have Contacts checked, but I am not syncing my calendar or my e-mail. Does e-mail syncing need to be on for the other items to sync?
I'm not sure what the problem is. There may be some differences between phones, apps, or versions of Android. I'm running Android 2.2 on my LG Optimus. (You need Android 2.2 or newer to syncrhonize contacts & calendar with Hotmail.) I don't have a "Sync SNS" option in my contacts app. Perhaps try this... From the homescreen, hit the settings button and select settings, and go to "Accounts & sync". Your Hotmail/Live account should be there and should say "Sync is ON". From there, if you go into the Hotmail/Live account's settings you should be able to choose to set your "Email check frequency" to "Never". If you go back up to the settings for your Hotmail account, you can independently checkmark the boxes next to "Sync Contacts" and "Sync Calendar". If you remove and then add the checkmark to "Sync Contacts" it will force a synchronization and you should briefly see the circular arrow icon showing that it's synchronizing with the Hotmail/Live servers.
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I didn't realize that you could set up Hotmail as a POP account in Outlook.
You can if you know how.


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From within Outlook, you can manually force a synchronization with Hotmail/Windows Live (the same way that you would send/receive email) which is to either hit the "Send/Receive" button or to hit "F9" key on your keyboard. You can adjust the Send/Receive settings in Outlook to automatically synchronize at whatever interval you like. I set mine to 5 minutes.
So, every time Outlook does a Send/Receive, whether manually or automatically, it will also sync contact and calendar data to Windows Live? I got my one and only sync from Outlook to Windows Live at 1:05 this afternoon (according to Server Report). I have not been able to get another no matter what I try.


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I'm not sure what the problem is. There may be some differences between phones, apps, or versions of Android. I'm running Android 2.2 on my LG Optimus. (You need Android 2.2 or newer to syncrhonize contacts & calendar with Hotmail.) I don't have a "Sync SNS" option in my contacts app. Perhaps try this... From the homescreen, hit the settings button and select settings, and go to "Accounts & sync". Your Hotmail/Live account should be there and should say "Sync is ON". From there, if you go into the Hotmail/Live account's settings you should be able to choose to set your "Email check frequency" to "Never". If you go back up to the settings for your Hotmail account, you can independently checkmark the boxes next to "Sync Contacts" and "Sync Calendar". If you remove and then add the checkmark to "Sync Contacts" it will force a synchronization and you should briefly see the circular arrow icon showing that it's synchronizing with the Hotmail/Live servers.
I'm also running Froyo 2.2, albeit on a custom ROM. As a test I put a new contact in Outlook and on the phone to see if it is syncing both ways. I've tried what you said on the phone and although I see the sync circle momentarily, nothing actually gets synced. And no matter what I try I can't get my Outlook or my phone calendars to sync with Windows Live. Right now my calendar is syncing via Outlook to Google, which I have now turned off trying to sort this out. Any help appreciated.
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OK, signing out of Windows Live and back in got the contact I created on my phone into my contacts in WL, but it did not get it to sync with Outlook on my PC. I closed Outlook and restarted to see if I'd get the same result, but it didn't and now a half hour later the server status still says "Connecting" on all three items. I really need to have contact data flow both ways between PC and phone. The Outlook plug-in for Calendar data has been working flawlessly for me for months, can't understand why M$ can't just do the same for Contact data.
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I've got this working on my wife's phone, as far as I can tell (she has a Droid X2).

In the process had to update the Outlook connector plug-in on her PC. I did the following:

1. Removed her Hotmail account from Outlook.
2. Used the Outlook connector plug-in menu to add the account back. At that point I was prompted to update the connector plug-in.
3. Re-added her Hotmail account.

Went to phone:

1. Removed previously added Hotmail account (which had been added as an Email account).
2. Re-Added Hotmail account - but used the "Corporate Sync" account type so the account has ActiveSync support - and used m.hotmail.com as the server when prompted to enter it (phone couldn't get the server name automatically). The instructions here that you posted provide any info required: How to setup Hotmail on Android Phones

After adding the account, I checked settings to ensure that email/contacts/calendar were all checked for syncing, and confirmed in Contacts via the Display option in the menu that the Hotmail account was selected for display.

I looked in Contacts and her Hotmail accounts are appearing there now. She doesn't use the Hotmail calendar at all, but confirmed it's listed in the available calendars, and am able to sync US Holidays from her Hotmail account to the phone. I entered an event on her phone but haven't seen it on her Hotmail account on the PC browser yet (been a minute or so). I'll post back if it shows up or not...

An event entered on the Hotmail calendar on her PC browser showed up on the phone immediately.
If i edit that event the changes show up on the PC immediately.

But events added on the phone calendar don't show up on the calendar on the PC.

Seems the same w/Contacts - added on PC syncs to phone right away, edits sync back. Added on phone doesn't seem to sync back.

My wife can live w/these limitations for now, since she rarely (i.e., never) adds contacts on her phone, but will have to figure out if I have missed a setting or if there is a glitch.

This solves a problem for my wife, as she prefers to use Windows Live Mail w/her hotmail account on her computer, and keep her personal contacts there, so now she has those contacts sync'd to her phone automatically.

Or to put it more succinctly - Suhweet!!

THanks, RazzMaTazz for posting this - perfecto! Take a gold star out of petty cash.
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The method you discuss doesn't actually allow you to sync Outlook & Android - you're syncing Android with Hotmail, just that Hotmail is viewed inside Outlook.

This is a completly different thing to using an existing corporate email address; what you've detailed is simply copying all your existing Outlook contacts, calendar entries etc. into a new hotmail address - any incoming or outgoing email from the original corporate Outlook email address isn't handled in any way - this is where the demand for Outlook syncing arises.

Your 'solution' is a very neat way for single users to use the extra features provided by Outlook, but remains at the core a Hotmail sync.

What people are looking for is a way to manage existing corporate email on a non-WindowsCE platform. Unfortunately Microsoft (understandably) don't want you to do this...
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[QUOTE=RazzMaTazz;2703243] MyPhoneExplorer overwrites (i.e. effectively deletes) all other less commonly used Outlook fields from the contacts on the PC, and therefore irreparably damages the Outlook contacts on the PC!

This only happens if you don't set up the MPE sync paramters correctly before you do your first sync... and to be fair, MPE can't sync what it can't see.

MPE is the best freeware I've come across so far for corporate Outlook users to sync with so far. Yes there are some limitations, but these are minor and there are workarounds.
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I give up. I've tried everything I can think of to get this to work, but it just refuses. The one and only sync I got was from the phone to Windows Live. I can not get a sync from Outlook to WL or from WL to Outlook or from WL to the phone. When I look at the Outlook Connector status in Outlook it just says "Connecting" and clicking Server Report shows nothing other than a successful login. In looking at the settings on the phone for Corporate under Server Settings, Contacts and Calendar specifically say "Also sync from this account", which makes me think it will only ever sync to WL and not from it. I've tried putting dummy entries in Outlook, WL and on the phone to see which sync and the one I placed on the phone synced to WL, nothing else did. I really wish I still had the simple functionality of Active Sync that I had on my WinMo phone, but Android just does so many other things better that I guess I have to live with this. I was a MPE user, but experienced the same issues of contact info not syncing and having contacts get deleted. I tried and was using Android Manager, but it is a pain in the ass to use and not at all user friendly. Oh well, the search continues...
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Miami_Son: I'm not sure what the problem is. Please make sure that you have the latest version of Outlook Hotmail Connector. This works perfectly for me. I can only imagine the the problem is with Outlook Hotmail Connector or some account setting.
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Miami_Son: I'm not sure what the problem is. Please make sure that you have the latest version of Outlook Hotmail Connector. This works perfectly for me. I can only imagine the the problem is with Outlook Hotmail Connector or some account setting.
I installed it yesterday when I got the link to your post. Can't get any newer than that, can you?
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An event entered on the Hotmail calendar on her PC browser showed up on the phone immediately.
If i edit that event the changes show up on the PC immediately.

But events added on the phone calendar don't show up on the calendar on the PC.

Seems the same w/Contacts - added on PC syncs to phone right away, edits sync back. Added on phone doesn't seem to sync back.
Contacts and calendar events added to the phone (or edited on the phone) do synchronize back to Outlook through the Hotmail servers. How quickly that happens depends on your synchronization settings in Outlook and on the Android device. I've got Outlook set to sync every 5 minutes but I hit the F9 key if I want it to manually force a synchronization with the Hotmail servers. I've got my Android phone syncrhonization frequency set for "Push" but I'm not sure if that means that it immediately pushes changes to the Hotmail server. In my experiments, phone based changes seem to appear on the Hotmail severs within seconds, at which time they're available to Outlook at the next Outlook-Hotmail synchronization.
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The method you discuss doesn't actually allow you to sync Outlook & Android - you're syncing Android with Hotmail, just that Hotmail is viewed inside Outlook.

I don't understand your point. You view Hotmail contacts, calendar, and email inside of Outlook just like you view Gmail contacts and calendar inside of Outlook, just like you view Yahoo Mail inside Outlook, just like you view corporate Exchange server contacts, calendar, and email inside Outlook. That's what Outlook does. It views stuff on servers. And if you so choose, it automatically downloads and saves a copy on your PC.
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This is a completely different thing to using an existing corporate email address
I don't know what you're using for corporate email (POP, IMAP, MAPI, or Exchange Server) but you can still use your corporate email address and retrieve your corporate mail however you're currently doing so. Adding Hotmail as a sync repository for contacts and calendar has nothing to do with how you get your email. IMAP, MAPI, and Exchange Servers synchronize email with Outlook and Android. POP does not. If you're using POP mail in the corporate environment, your IT guy should be shot. Heck, considering all of the free IMAP and MAPI mail services out there, I think it's crazy to use POP for personal use too. I used to use Yahoo mail but I switched to Gmail because Gmail offered IMAP email access, whereas Yahoo only offered POP. Now Yahoo Mail offers IMAP too.
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what you've detailed is simply copying all your existing Outlook contacts, calendar entries etc. into a new hotmail address

You're not copying them into a Hotmail address, you're copying them into a Hotmail account, that you've added to Outlook. Once you've done that, you just use that Hotmail account's folders for contacts & calendar, and then everything is synchronized with your Android phone. Similarly, if I join a company and if I want to take my contacts with me to that company, I can also choose to copy my existing contacts to the corporate Exchange Server.
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any incoming or outgoing email from the original corporate Outlook email address isn't handled in any way - this is where the demand for Outlook syncing arises.

You can continue to access your corporate email, however you currently access it (POP, IMAP, MAPI, or Exchange Server). And again, since IMAP, MAPI and Exchange servers all synchronize email with client devices, if you're using POP mail in the corporate environment your IT guy should be shot.
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Your 'solution' is a very neat way for single users to use the extra features provided by Outlook, but remains at the core a Hotmail sync.

Yes, I was just trying to let people know that (unlike Gmail, Yahoo Mail, et al) people can use Hotmail to synchronize contacts and calendar between Outlook and Android devices. People like me want to be able to do that, automatically, for free.
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What people are looking for is a way to manage existing corporate email on a non-WindowsCE platform. Unfortunately Microsoft (understandably) don't want you to do this...

I don't know what you mean by "corporate email" but Microsoft Exchange Servers (which are the ubiquitous gold standard in the corporate environment) synchronize email, contacts, & calendar with Android. Microsoft loves selling Outlook & Exchange Servers. Microsoft is not the problem. Google is. Google wants Google Apps to replace Microsoft Office, and they want access to all of your valuable contacts information so they're not interested in helping people synchronize their Outlook contacts with their phone.
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MPE is the best freeware I've come across so far for corporate Outlook users to sync with so far. Yes there are some limitations, but these are minor and there are workarounds.
I'm confused. You don't want to use Hotmail servers as a seamless, automatic synchronization intermediary for contacts and calendar, but you're willing to manually invoke MyPhoneExplorer as an intermediary.
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Miami_Son: In the bottom status bar of Outlook, I see "Connected to Windows Live Hotmail" not "Connecting". Obviously your Outlook is not connecting with Windows Live account. Please make sure that you have the right username & password. As Redflea mentions above, you may need to delete the Hotmail account, restart Outlook (if not the whole PC), and then in Outlook, recreate the Hotmail account, being careful to create it as a "MAPI" account or an "Microsoft Outlook Hotmail Connector" account (depending on which version of Outlook you use).

When you create contacts or calendar events on the phone, be sure to create them under the Hotmail account.
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Miami_Son: In the bottom status bar of Outlook, I see "Connected to Windows Live Hotmail" not "Connecting". Obviously you Outlook is not connecting with Windows Live account. Please make sure that you have the right username & password. As Redflea mentions above, you may need to delete the Hotmail account, restart Outlook (if not the whole PC), and then in Outlook, recreate the Hotmail account, being careful to create it as a "MAPI" account or an "Microsoft Outlook Hotmail Connector" account (depending on which version of Outlook you use).

When you create contacts or calendar events on the phone, be sure to create them under the Hotmail account.
RAZZ, I've done all that several times. In the bottom right in Outlook 2007 it shows Windows Live whenever I'm in a Hotmail account. You have to click on Server Status to see if you are Connecting or Connected for Mail, Calendar and Contacts. The 2 times it actually said Connected no data was synced. And you are confusing the issue with your terminology. There is no Sync command in Outlook 2007. There is only Send/Receive. Is that what you click to initiate a sync? I have mine set to do that every 15 minutes. No joy. And on the phone there is no Hotmail Account, it is referred to as Corporate and there are no synchronization settings for Contacts and Calendar beyond turning them on or off. Only the Mail lets you set how often it will sync. That's why I asked you earlier if Mail has to be set to sync for everything else to work. I do not want to sync my Hotmail mailbox to my phone, only Calendar and Contacts. How exactly do you create a Calendar event or Contact under the Hotmail account? I open up my default Calendar and my default Contact apps and see no choice of one or the other. The Contacts on the phone that came from WL have the Corporate logo to their right, but creating a new one doesn't ask me where I want it created.

And people prefer MPE because it is a local sync connection via USB. Some businesses do not allow their Exchange clients to sync over the web, via wifi or Bluetooth due to privacy and security concerns.
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I'm confused.

I would certainly say you are - either that or enjoy flogging a dead horse.

You obviously refuse to listen to, or are misunderstanding what people are telling you.

Let's try and make it a little simpler:

Let's say I work for a company called BigCorp.

Let's say that BigCorp has issued me with a corporate (company) email address of company.rep@bigcorp.com

All the staff in BigCorp and all the customers of BigCorp use this email address to contact me, and this is the address I use for official BigCorp company business.

Let's also say that the IT guys in BigCorp, either for budgetary considerations or because they're luddites, don't use MS Exchange, just a vanilla MS Outlook implementation.

How then do I use the company.rep@bigcorp.com email address from my Android device?
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Some businesses do not allow their Exchange clients to sync over the web, via wifi or Bluetooth due to privacy and security concerns.

Thank you Miami_Son.

And by the way, RazzMaTazz - no-one but you has mentioned POP email in a corporate environment.

And I do realise the difference between viewing a hotmail Live account from within Outlook and handling a 'native' Outlook mail / calendar entry etc., for there is a difference.

The simplest way to illustrate this (as you don't seem to 'get' it) is in the case of junk email;

If I receive junk email in Outlook that is sent 'natively' to my 'corporate' Outlook address, I can handle the 'acceptance' of mail that is incorrectly labelled as junk from within Outlook itself.

If I receive mail that is incorrectly labelled as junk sent to the Hotmail/Live address, when I try to mark the email as 'not junk', Outlook will open a separate Explorer window, go to Hotmail (or Live) on the web and make me make the correction there, NOT from within Outlook.

This demonstrates what I said initially; that Outlook is allowing you to 'view' Hotmail / Live email, but is not handling it 'natively'

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RAZZ, I've done all that several times. In the bottom right in Outlook 2007 it shows Windows Live whenever I'm in a Hotmail account. You have to click on Server Status to see if you are Connecting or Connected for Mail, Calendar and Contacts. The 2 times it actually said Connected no data was synced. And you are confusing the issue with your terminology. There is no Sync command in Outlook 2007. There is only Send/Receive. Is that what you click to initiate a sync?
The Hotmail account on your phone should show up as a "Corporate" account, like you said. From Outlook's perspective "synchronization" is the same as "Send/Receive" (or hitting the F9 button) so yes, that's what you click to manually initiate a "sync".

When you do a Send/Receive and "View Send/Receive Progress", may I assume that you get send/receive errors for the Hotmail account, but not your other accounts?

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Only the Mail lets you set how often it will sync. That's why I asked you earlier if Mail has to be set to sync for everything else to work. I do not want to sync my Hotmail mailbox to my phone, only Calendar and Contacts.
I just ran an experiment for you. I set the "Email check frequency" to "Never" and then edited a contact on my phone. Without manually synchronizing the contacts from my phone, the edited contact synchronized to Hotmail (and Outlook) within about 2 minutes. (I didn't stay on top of it or time it, so it may have happened faster.) So it is possible to synchronize Hotmail contacts and/or calendar without synchronizing Hotmail email. It may be worth noting that after I did this, (under "Account & Sync settings") the Hotmail account still indicates the green circular sync icon and displays "Sync is ON".

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How exactly do you create a Calendar event or Contact under the Hotmail account? I open up my default Calendar and my default Contact apps and see no choice of one or the other. The Contacts on the phone that came from WL have the Corporate logo to their right, but creating a new one doesn't ask me where I want it created.
Since I've added 3 email accounts on my stock Android 2.2 LG Optimus, when I go into the stock "Contacts" app, hit the "settings" button and select "New contact", a screen appears that says...
"Create contact under account:"
My_Name@gmail.com
My_Name2@gmail.com
My_Name@Hotmail.com
(Of course, I wrote "My_Name" here instead of my real email address.) I then select My_Name@Hotmail.com in order to create an automatically-synchronized "Hotmail" contact. Doing so puts me in the standard contact creation/editing screen for this new "Corporate Contact".

If you are syncing & viewing multiple calendars (and you don't have to sync multiple calendars per the instructions in my original post) then when you create a calendar event you should see an option inside the event for "Calendar:" with a drop-down arrow/menu for the calendar account. (E.g. Your Gmail account and Hotmail account). You simply select the account/calendar for which you want to create the "event". If you don't sync & view multiple calendars, then you won't likely have the option to select from multiple calendars. If I only enable one calendar/account then on my stock calendar app, then I still see the "Calendar" option/drop-down menu, but it only offers one "choice" of calendars.

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And people prefer MPE because it is a local sync connection via USB. Some businesses do not allow their Exchange clients to sync over the web, via wifi or Bluetooth due to privacy and security concerns.
I see. It's unfortunate that some IT departments implement such stupid policies. I've worked for a few high-tech companies big and small, including some companies with world-class cyber-security (even including a defense contractor) and they all allowed remote synchronization of Exchange clients over WiFi, etc.
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What about the Funambol sync portal?
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I'm confused.

I would certainly say you are - either that or enjoy flogging a dead horse.

You obviously refuse to listen to, or are misunderstanding what people are telling you.

you don't seem to 'get' it

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Wow! I'm trying to help people, for free, and you're being incredibly rude (to put it nicely).

I'm sure it's quite clear to you what you mean, but it's not clear to me because you failed to mention ANY of the details about your corporate email system! I don't know if you're using POP, IMAP, Exchange, or something else. (So I guessed at POP based on the sparse information you provided.) I don't know what policies your IT department has implemented. You still haven't told me any of that stuff. But for some reason you insult me as though I'm an idiot for not knowing the details of your particular corporate IT environment. Wow!

If you can't remotely access email or your IT department puts unusual restrictions on your remote access, bummer for you and your coworkers. If the Hotmail solution doesn't work for you, too bad. If you read my original post, you'll see that I proposed the Hotmail solution primarily as a free way to synchronize contacts and calendar without an Exchange server, not as a way to overcome the limitations imposed by every conceivable corporate IT system. I've worked for several high-tech companies here in Silicon Valley, big & small, including a defense contractor, all of whom had world-class cyber-security and extremely valuable, crown-jewel-intellectual property on their servers, and all of whom enabled remote email access, usually through an Exchange Server. I dare say that's the norm. But I guess since you have such limited technical knowledge and experience, you think everybody is supposed to know what you mean when you write "corporate email". And that's fine. I can understand that you have limited technical knowledge but I can't understand your rudeness.
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Wow! I'm trying to help people, for free, and you're being incredibly rude (to put it nicely).

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Unbelievable!

You should go back and re-read all of your replies to others on this thread; your patronising, arrogant attitude (as well as your inaccuracies) are what prompted me to join this forum in the first place; any rudeness on my part is simply a reflection of your own attitude.

You go on about your employment 'experience' as though you're unique - personally I've had nearly twenty years in the IT sector, so I don't need lessons from you. Your replies to others are condescending and unhelpful.
Frankly, I 'dumbed things down' as I thought you were a schoolkid based on the nature of your replies; you're making an awful lot of assumptions about my 'technical abilities' and the lack thereof - can't you see your pride is your downfall - you need to eat a whole lot of humble pie...

Your inability to understand the difference between 'corporate' and 'private' email implementations highlights your own limitations, not mine. Your assertions that defense companies allow effectively unfettered external access to their servers is completely at odds to my own personal experience.

Your 'solution' is nothing of the sort; it does not address cross-platform mail syncing, which is what people are searching for; you chide others for using MPE as an intermediary, but cannot grasp the idea that using your soon-to-be-patented method is itself using an intermediary, in this case Hotmail... Ironic, really.

I look forward to hearing your next unbalanced tirade...
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I proposed the Hotmail solution primarily as a free way to synchronize contacts and calendar.
Your thread title doesn't say this; it states: "We can now synchronize Outlook & Android without a 3rd party app or Exchange Server". The implication is that your method will fully sync Outlook.

It has, unfortunately, misled an awful lot of people, I would suggest you alter the title to clearly describe what you are offering.
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Razz:

Thanks for posting the info that you did. Ignore all the haters.

Quick question: No matter how many times and in different ways I add the Hotmail account to Outlook 2010, the new account never shows its own unique calendar and contacts. There's inbox and such, but no contacts/calendar.

In my current .pst I have several email accounts all feeding into it, so I only have one "inbox", showing emails from several accounts. Do you think that having my Outlook setup like this is causing the problem? I *really* like your solution here, but I'm stuck. Have you seen this behavior (no calendar/contacts) in your testing?
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Contacts and calendar events added to the phone (or edited on the phone) do synchronize back to Outlook through the Hotmail servers. How quickly that happens depends on your synchronization settings in Outlook and on the Android device. I've got Outlook set to sync every 5 minutes but I hit the F9 key if I want it to manually force a synchronization with the Hotmail servers. I've got my Android phone syncrhonization frequency set for "Push" but I'm not sure if that means that it immediately pushes changes to the Hotmail server. In my experiments, phone based changes seem to appear on the Hotmail severs within seconds, at which time they're available to Outlook at the next Outlook-Hotmail synchronization.
Thanks...my settings were set to Push sync, and I was looking at the Hotmail calendar on the web - it never picked up the events I added that night, just checked and they still aren't there...

As noted, sync from the Hotmail calendar to the phone was almost immediate.
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How exactly do you create a Calendar event or Contact under the Hotmail account? I open up my default Calendar and my default Contact apps and see no choice of one or the other. The Contacts on the phone that came from WL have the Corporate logo to their right, but creating a new one doesn't ask me where I want it created.

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Check Settings>Contact Storage for the setting that controls where new contacts are created - if you've set one of them as the default you won't get prompted...I haven't set a default and am prompted every time I create a contact if I want it in any of my Gmail/Hotmail/Exchange accounts...
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You can also use the grouping ability with this method:

By default, MSN creates 'Friends', 'Favorites' and 'Other Contacts' and you can choose which of these are displayed on your phone.

You can create additional groups in the MSN webpage and add/remove contacts from that group.

As the final bonus, you can also create/manage these groups from within Outlook - each group is a Distribution List and you add/remove members to populate this group.

Very nice.
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