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I say its too flashy, I want the simplicity of the original Talk app
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I don't know. I have to disagree, I really like hangout and I use it all the time to speak with friends/co-workers.
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It's terrible. Google Talk was my primary messaging app.. This new app is a mess. My most talked to contacts are hidden at the bottom some 200 contacts down. It doesn't show who has videos. Or audio calling available anymore. I hate it and un installed it.
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I havent used video yet, but I just don't care for the feel if it, maybe once I use it a little more
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Can WP and Blackbery phones get Hangout?
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I'm trying to figure out if I like it or not!!! Still deciding.
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I havent used video yet, but I just don't care for the feel if it, maybe once I use it a little more
The video on mobile data was fantastic. It's not perfect, but I used it yesterday inside of Target on mobile data and it slowed down only once or twice. Otherwise, it was flawless - though bandwidth hungry.
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Can WP and Blackbery phones get Hangout?

Idk its the new google talk... It said I had an update today, and that's what it was.
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Can WP and Blackbery phones get Hangout?
"Today Google will offer new free iOS and Android Hangout apps, the Google+ integration, and you can upgrade from Google Talk to Hangouts by clicking on your photo in the Gmail chat list. There are currently no plans for other platforms like Windows Phone or Blackberry"

http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/15/google-hangouts-messaging-app/
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It's terrible. Google Talk was my primary messaging app.. This new app is a mess. My most talked to contacts are hidden at the bottom some 200 contacts down. It doesn't show who has videos. Or audio calling available anymore. I hate it and un installed it.
I agree with a lot of what you say: contacts are indeed a mess, lack of voicecall, not knowing who is on and if they have a camera, etc.

But I like the new interface better overall.
- I think once the first "hangouts" screen gets populated you are just meant to go there to chat with those you chat with most often and will probably go to contacts very little.
- I think the actual messaging screen is better. You can see where they have read up to. The contact icon fades when they are away and you can see when they are typing.
- In recent months (due to lack of resources or will cause they were moving on to Hangouts) Talk was getting glitchy and I would see messages pop up on my desktop then an hour later on my phone
- the chats are archived in gmail for you. Complete with pictures and the ability to search for key words.

One trick: I have decided that Hangouts does indeed have voice calls. I just make the other person stare at the darkest recesses of my ear canal.
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In one of the many announcements yesterday it was specifically mentioned no windows mobile and no blackberry. I hope that changes, but how big is that combined marketshare?
Ive watched the parts of IO that ive had time for but havent seen the Hangout part yet. So is it RIM and Microsoft that are stopping it or what?
Tbh ive never even used Talk, when most of my friends used BB it was Whatsapp i used but most folk i know now, although they arent as savvy as me, use android based phones. Theres still the odd straggler using oldskool BB though and some of my friends girlfriends use..... iphones
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According to the market I've got the hangout thing, but I still have the original gtalk as of right now.

Hopefully that doesn't change after hearing about it.
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No one will ever know. Larry Page at the end stood on stage and said that Microsoft integrated Talk into their Outlook messaging and did not reciprocate (which may answer your question). But it was very very ironic that he talked about how Microsoft did not reciprocate and Oracle is hard to work with - about two hours after google announced a new messaging app locked to only two platforms.

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it was Whatsapp i used but most folk i know now
If you ask me, the first iteration of Hangouts is aimed right at Whatsapp. And the forthcoming SMS iteration is aimed right at apple message.
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According to the market I've got the hangout thing, but I still have the original gtalk as of right now.

Hopefully that doesn't change after hearing about it.
Have you launched Talk today?

I installed Hangouts and it deleted Talk during the install. But I had 1-2 Talk shortcuts leftover after the install. Though they said Talk, the shortcuts launched Hangouts
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I sideloaded the Hangout apk from somewhere and it turned Talk into Hangout mate
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I installed Hangouts and it deleted Talk during the install. But I had 1-2 Talk shortcuts leftover after the install. Though they said Talk, the shortcuts launched Hangouts
Just launched talk, still the original here, no hangout
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Just launched talk, still the original here, no hangout
Some people, in this very thread even, admire you for that.
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Some people, in this very thread even, admire you for that.
Just curious, is it more like a social network app now? Or is it still a messaging only app?

However though me still having gtalk, could have something to do with me using a modded/inverted gtalk
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I checked it out too. No update on my end, and I can't push it to my phone either. Opening Play link says its installed and the phone options are grayed out. I just checked out the article though, still says no SMS. So no go.
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I would call it messaging only.

If you ask me it is a blend of google Talk, Whatsapp and (I'm just gonna say it...) google Wave.

Imagine most of the functionality of google talk (of course you don't get the same interface, voice calls etc.) in a more modern UI that is reminiscent of Whatsapp (a screen for previous conversations, a screen for contacts, etc.) and the messaging interface of Wave (you can see the person is typing, drop in photos, etc). Add in a very solid looking interface for video that is basically just the Hangout interface.

If you ask me, people will like it a lot more if:
- SMS
- a better way to handle contacts (now the contact fades in or out. Fade in means on. But I THINK fade out means away. Or fade out might mean offline. Or fade out could mean they don't have a Hangouts interface and a message to them would get lost in the ether?)
- voice calls (which can be accomplished now via a video call then turn off the camera. So, don't whine about this.)

Also, they already pushed out one update this evening. So, there are definitely bugs being worked on and a few people have said they can't get it. Yesterday while watching the keynote I went to get it and it took ten refreshes and 60 minutes to get it. Meanwhile, my friend put it on her nexus 7 clone (aka apple pad mini) via the apple tunes store within minutes of me asking her to. (Of course, I lied to her and said I was able to install it just as quick.)
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Its pretty sick I have the note 2 with sprint and I have it....
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Now that I got my Google Talk updated to Google Hangout, could someone please tell me what is the difference between Google Hangout & Google+ Messenger. I think both of them are fairly same.

Oh by the way, I thought of leaving a small tip. When my Google Talk updated to Google Hangout it had an issue. It would not work and always showed the message "Couldn't sign in because we couldn't connect to Google. Try again.".

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1) Use some app to take backup of Google Play Services (ES File Explorer can do it for you) and save the apk locally. This is recommended because after the next step you may not be able to connect and re-download the update over Mobile Data. It would work on WiFi however.
2) Go to Manage Apps > Google Play Services
3) Do "Uninstall" / "Uninstall Updates" for Google Play Services
4) Google Hangout will automatically ask you to Install or Update Google Play Services.
5) If you "Uninstalled Updates", then the app would update over Mobile Data when you click on update in Google Play. After this go to Step #8
6) If you "Uninstalled" the app completely, you wouldn't find it in Google Play. So install it from the backup created in Step #1.
7) Now go to Google Play and install any updates for Google Play Services.
8) Now open Google Hangout. It may still show you a connection issue for a couple for times.
9) Don't lose your heart. It should work after you try for a maximum of 1-2 times.
10) Thank me and go ahead to chat with your girlfriend
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G+ messenger will also be replaced by Hangouts. Don't know why both didn't go the same day.
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It replaced mine 2-3 days ago. However on my other phone using cm10 in which i flashed gapps manually, no such update is pushed.
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Whats the G+ video chat called now? I remember that was called Hangout and the messanger was called Huddle. Google is gettin me lol
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It's an interesting name choice. The app and the product are called "Hangouts". But you can still click "Hangout" in google+ to use "Hangouts" to "hangout" with someone. (And in a country where 99% of us add an "S" to Nordstrom for no reason.)

Personally, I would have preferred the code name.
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It didn't force the update on me, gave me the option to update via the market. Seriously though? Should have stuck with gtalk lol

"if it ain't broke, don't fix it"

Luckily I backed up talk before updating
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I must really be an old fart because I had no interest in using Talk and I still have no interest in updating to Hangouts. I have unlimited data (and texting) on Sprint and can text anyone with a smartphone (which is everyone I know). I don't have a front-facing camera. And I have no interest in group chatting. So is there any reason that I'd want to use Hangouts? It seems like the showstopper drawback is that I'd be limited only to Android users who actually use it AND whom I've added to my friends list.
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It's available for Android, apple mobile products and desktop
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It's appeared in my update list, but as my old Talk apk is 500kB, and this thing is > 11MB, and I have an old device, I've no intention of downloading it.
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I must really be an old fart because I had no interest in using Talk and I still have no interest in updating to Hangouts. I have unlimited data (and texting) on Sprint and can text anyone with a smartphone (which is everyone I know). I don't have a front-facing camera. And I have no interest in group chatting. So is there any reason that I'd want to use Hangouts? It seems like the showstopper drawback is that I'd be limited only to Android users who actually use it AND whom I've added to my friends list.
No, it doesn't limit you only to android users. Anyone who has a google plus or google talk account can use it. And it sounds like they may be building SMS capability into it so you'd be able to communicate with users who don't have it.

That said, I hate the update - I liked the simplicity of google talk. It wasn't fancy, it just worked.

Now, my contact list is cluttered with people I don't know, don't know how they got in my contact list to begin with, or don't care to talk to.

So I guess it's time to do some spring cleaning of my google contacts.
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How do I see which contacts are online in the new Hangouts app?
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How do I see which contacts are online in the new Hangouts app?
A clear contact photo is basically equal to the green dot of the old google talk.

Faded either means away or offline.

Honestly, this is quite a dumb way to do it. It is hard to tell faded and not faded sometimes. Also, faded out can mean a few things I guess and I don't know which.
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A clear contact photo is basically equal to the green dot of the old google talk.

Faded either means away or offline.

Honestly, this is quite a dumb way to do it. It is hard to tell faded and not faded sometimes. Also, faded out can mean a few things I guess and I don't know which.
And I guess people who are online are not grouped together?
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If anyone is having trouble updating to the new Hangouts app, this is what I did. Go to the Play Store desktop site and install hangouts, when it downloads to your phone the old Talk app should be gone and completely replaced by Hangouts.

Also if you go to https://www.google.com/settings/account and look at the third option "SMS for Hangouts" you'll see that they are starting to roll out the SMS integration to some countries already. Not available in the U.S., Australia, U.K. and other major European markets yet.

Now where's my cookie?
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Well, it appears that you still can't send SMS from Hangouts, but messages received while offline are received as SMS. Well its good enough for now. You can tell people to go online to chat.
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For a chat client that was stubbornly rejecting features for years in the name of simplicity this is a puzzling move by Google to say the least. So now it's got all this whiz bang! GUI and I still can't share images and such like other chat clients? Lame. On top of that it b0rks my contacts list that has been perfect & exactly what I needed w/o unnecessary fluff for like 10years? Pass. Sure am glad I read the reviews and these threads before 'upgrading' and equally happy it wasn't forced upon me. This looks like the latest app update I will fight like grim death for as long as I can as it breaks something I've been using regularly for a long, long, LONG time.
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I seriously liked talk, may be coz i never used hangout b4.
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I uninstalled the update and will hang on to talk for as long as I can.
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