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Old February 3rd, 2011, 02:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Why Android is Better than Symbian?

I used a symbian phone for 3 years. And in Pakistan the Symbian phones are still the first preference. But Android just popped up in the world comibing AMOLED display and prevailed on everything. Even Apple is struggling hard to counter this surge
I never used Android. SO a pretty basic question. What makes android better than Symbian [according to you]

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Everything mate . Seriously , you'll get your answear from more seasoned veterans of android. I just came to android yesterday :P
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You came yesterday and I came one hour ago!
more seasoned veterans of android are too busy in excelling in Android to answer this
Nokia hates android. I couldn't figure out whats special in android coz there is everything we would find in Symbian regarding apps. is this the better user experience?
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First off, I think a lot of it is the user interface. Symbian is painfully outdated. I seriously think that Nokia's software still looks like something from the 90's. Symbian also tends to be a jumbled mess when compared to its competitors. I remember adding my mom to my plan and getting her a Nokia Nuron free. Granted the phone was pretty decent for a freebie, but the menu structure among other things was difficult for me to navigate and I'm a former Nokia owner and all around tech nerd.

Also, Nokia's got a lot pride that needs to be swallowed. They've remained on top in pretty much every cell phone market (aside from the USA) because of solid hardware and a relatively easy to use operating system. Apple hasn't really penetrated all markets due to the fact that the iPhone is quite expensive and there isn't a dumbphone version of it. Blackberry is more of an American business thing, along with Windows Mobile 6.5 and earlier. Then you have other manufacturers with their own operating system software that tends to lose out due to bad hardware. All these things helped keep Nokia at the top until Android came out.

Android's big claim to fame is that it goes anywhere, does anything, runs on everything, and is extremely easy to mod, both mechanically and visually. Android is essentially the wet dream of all Linux users who wanted their OS to hit big. The amazing level of customization, function, and cost effectiveness (it is free after all) is why Android is beginning to pummel Nokia. The fact that cell phone carriers can now offer smartphones for free is making people who wouldn't ordinarily look that way become interested.

Nokia doesn't want to, as they say, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Although I think that Nokia using Android is a good possibility. I doubt that they are so prided that they're willing to let all of their market share slip away just because they don't want to include Android on their hardware. Nokia's key advantage is that they are both the hardware and software makers for their phones. While their are likely some licensing fees to use Google's own personal suite of applications, Android's cost to hardware makers and carriers is virtually nothing. Nokia would still be making money on the hardware. I think Nokia will come around eventually and may even see a rise in popularity in the USA which has been the one market they can't penetrate.

Also, the vets are probably asleep since a great deal of Android users come from the USA and it anywhere from 1 am to 5 am here right now. One final thing, the mods will probably move this to the lounge which is a more suitable place for it.
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Fair enough to elaborate the diff. Thanks man. I checked your blog. If its intended to attract some bucks, I recommend using some decent custom theme. Just a thought!
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Fair enough to elaborate the diff. Thanks man. I checked your blog. If its intended to attract some bucks, I recommend using some decent custom theme. Just a thought!
Meh, I'm on the fence about jumping into advertising on it for money. I only have two followers which are friends that I hang out with. Don't think it would be worth it. Plus, I kinda feel like a whore for some reason with all the advertising I have to see on my phone and computer.
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LOLZ.. Would be hard to get accepted for adsense at this moment, so you r far from the fence unless you already have adsense through some other means.
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android is not only better then symbian but it is also better then google operating system.

because android operating system is fast, there are more then 100,000 apps in the android apps market
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android is not only better then symbian but it is also better then google operating system.

because android operating system is fast, there are more then 100,000 apps in the android apps market
Apps are a bit of a misnomer. Quantity does not make up for quality. I don't judge Android's strength on its apps just because I can run Angry Birds (though it is a fun game to play). For every good app that you want to keep or use consistently, you have to deal with hundreds that are just terrible. The same goes for Apple's App Store.

No, I judge Android on the points I mentioned above because anyone can have an app store, but if the OS isn't worthy of apps, you aren't going to have any. Just look at Blackberry's app store or Nokia's Ovi Store compared to Apple and Google. Both of those operating systems are losing market share because consumers want more than they can give.
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I worked with symbian for 3 years and I defended the Nokia until discover android.
Some reasons to change to android.

1) full integration with Gmail , Google calendar, and gdocs ( I'm using a grocery program to maintain for example my notepad )
2) Google maps 5 with vector trending and cache plus latitude location
3 ) much more free games and utilities and better paid one
4) you don't need iTunes or Ovid to sync your data . You do this direct to Google and for example picasa.
5) symbian run over DLL and exe. Android runs with Linux platform or Unix.
6) the first dual core cellulars have android.
7 ) take a look Motorola atrix videos and you will undestand.
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Support for Symbian is horrible from my experience, just don't bother, the latest verison is bascially just s60v5 with a facelift.
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I never used Android. SO a pretty basic question. What makes android better than Symbian [according to you]
Better is always subjective, regardless of the topic. Give us your list of needs/wants/priorities and we can then tell you how Android might be better for you. It's certainly possible that it might not be. One size does not fit all with smartphones (and many other things in life).
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Better is always subjective, regardless of the topic. Give us your list of needs/wants/priorities and we can then tell you how Android might be better for you. It's certainly possible that it might not be. One size does not fit all with smartphones (and many other things in life).
Agreed. Better is always subjective. Symbian has been getting killed in the US market mainly because it has no relationships with hardware manufacturers or carriers here. No one pushes Symbian phones.
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I liked my S60v5 phone. I could do one thing that so far I haven't seen Android do, and that was run Palm programs thru Styletap. I had no troubles setting up the phone and using it. I don't sync mail or anything like that, so I don't care.
What drove me away from Nokia was Ovi. I preferred PC Suite. I could stop portions of that from running by renaming the EXE file. Ovi decided to use DLL instead. You had to run Ovi Suite before you could set preferences, so it shoved a lot of files where I didn't want them, and synced everything on the phone. Ovi also stuck an extension into Firefox. It was not enabled, however the fact that it was done without permission or knowledge infuriated me.
Lack of certain programs also bothered me. Most of the stuff was games, themes, wallpaper, etc. The one good thing is that you could do a backdoor install of something that Nokia thought you shouldn't have. (I did Skype)

Also, I was able to get rid of most of the social apps on the Nokia without having to root the phone. What I couldn't get rid of were mostly links of some kind. You had to activate them and the folders were empty. I made another folder and shoved those apps in it.

I'm not having too many problems setting up Android. However, I don't really like that it wants/uses the cloud to sync. I want the stuff on my own computer. Plus too many programs depend on a connection. I go places where I don't have one. So I need to store stuff on the card but can't since there is no provision for the program to do it.
I use the phone as a PDA, and am trying to get all my nature guidebooks and astronomy charts on it. I can store the books, but not the charts, so far. I want to carry only one device.

No one phone is perfect. My ideal phone would be a phone added to my old Sony Clie. Although I don't think I'd trust Sony with anything about now.

And I like GSM, and will stay with TMobile.
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Cloud is what Android is all about. Removing it, you remove the reason why Google pushes it.

If you like an Android doing PC sync and backing things up on PCs, that's not hard at all. Get a Samsung. Samsung Kies is one neat looking PC sync and data backup software, and it will do software upgrades. The other choice is Sony Ericsson. It also has PC Suite that syncs and backs up their Android phones. I have not tried LG but I guess they should have too.

Store stuff on the micro SD. Android automatically does that to files and photos. You don't have to tell it. Its default.

An Android can operate without a mobile 3G internet connection. You can use wifi to back up to your Cloud. There is no loss in doing that. If your Android gets lost, you get a new Android, login to your Google account on Wifi, and you get all your contacts back. You're ready to move on immediately.

I've seen too many people, that are totally dumbfounded when they lost their phone. People don't diligently backup to their PCs, when a phone is lost, they are completely at lost what to do.
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Go check a coverage map in central Utah for TM. There ain't much.
It's got dark skies and fantastic scenery.
No wifi unless you are in a motel, bar, etc, and no bars on the phone. I've been in places on US191 that had only one bar, and if you get out of site of a tower, there's nothing. And if you are roaming, phone calls only.
Not all of us like to stay in towns and on the beaten path all the time.
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BTW - I do have a Samsung. It's unlocked and I can use it on TM. No 3g, but at home wifi is fast enough. And I had Verizon at one time. I simply found them too restrictive and now they are too expensive for a family.
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Even before a trip, you can just use the wifi in your home to backup. The backup is all done automatically. You restore to the state of your contacts to the last time you have an internet connection.

Any freaking wifi is enough. Even in a motel or bar. Sync your contact data and GMail to the Google Cloud will take only seconds once a wifi connection is made, and its all done automatically. That is all that will take.

Please don't make excuses. The fact that you can post here means you can get internet and you can Cloud sync.

And like I said, PC sync can be done on Android. Each brand has their own PC sync software, For HTC for example, its called HTC Sync. You save on both PC and Cloud. We know enough laptops can be stolen, and hard drives can crash.
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You are missing the point. If there are no connections, I can't use Google sky!
I need to store charts to have them available and there is no way to do that. If you want no light pollution, you go to dark sky sites. If you are out of line of site of a tower, you have no service.
Yes, I have no trouble where I have service.
Am I required to do my vacations where I have service only?
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I used a symbian phone for 3 years. And in Pakistan the Symbian phones are still the first preference. But Android just popped up in the world comibing AMOLED display and prevailed on everything. Even Apple is struggling hard to counter this surge
I never used Android. SO a pretty basic question. What makes android better than Symbian [according to you]
I've used Symbian for 7 months before switching to an Android phone (HTC Desire Z). The reason I switched so soon was more due to the fact that the N97 is a very bad, buggy phone as a whole than Symbian. I'll restrict my comments to comparing Symbian to Android only (and not about specifically the N97).

First of all, the Android UI makes it easier for me to access the things I need more easily. The 7 home screens allow easy access to the items I use frequently, very easily. On the HTC, there are a number of widgets that already display the relavent information from the apps that I use often without having to open the app. The widgets I use also can display a lot of information. Some widgets are small and some take up the whole home screen. Depending on how much information you need different widgets for different apps are of different sizes. The weather widget I use only takes up 1/8 the screen where as Friend Stream (for Facebook updates) and Twitter widgets take up the whole screen.

In comparison, Symbian on the phone I use has only one home screen. (The latest version, Symbian^3, has 3 home screens.) The widgets are also rather limited to displaying only three lines of information and can only take 1/6 of the screen. The FB widget and Gravity (for Twitter feeds) need to be bigger than this for them to be useful for me.

It is easier to add a shortcut on Android. All you do is long tap and then select the short cut you want. You can also move the short cut anywhere on the existing home screen or to another very easily. On Symbian, you need to first create a short cut widget (which can hold 4 short cuts), then edit the widget and then select which of the 4 short cuts in the widget and then select the app. If you want to move the short cut one space to the left, you have to edit the shortcut widget, remove the short cut from the current spot, select the spot where you want the short cut to go, then select the app for the short cut.

In general, I find that there are many things where with Symbian you have to drill down multiple submenus or subfolders to get what you want. Although with Android, you may have to drill down, I find you don't need to drill down as many levels. Android seems to encourage a flatter structure in its UI. This may mean that things may not be so organised into groups of folders and subfolders, but more often than not, it makes searching for things you don't use often easier. With Symbian, if you want to find something that you don't use often, it involves searching in more folders and subfolders/menus.

The one big thing for me is that the Android browser is much, much better than the Symbian browser. I find I had difficulty opening some web sites on the Symbian browser. The Android browser seems to be able to open almost any web site I would visit on my PC. You can get around the Symbian browser problems by installing a different browser. However, Symbian does not seem to let you change default browsers for all applications. I can change the default browser in Symbian for email links, but I cannot do the same for Gravity (my Twitter app) or Facebook. I did use two alternate browsers on my Symbian phone, but I got tired of using 3 different browsers depending on what I need to do. I did install a second browser (Opera Mini) on my Android phone, but I only use the Android browser now. When I upgraded from my N97, I considered the E7, but the browser was one of the main reasons I decided to go with the Desire Z.

Android has its Marketplace app that allows you to browse through and select apps to install. Symbian has the Ovi app store. I find that the Android Marketplace to be easier to use. It is just faster when scrolling through the list of apps. The Ovi Store is painfully slow in comparison.

The new version Symbian has improvements over the version I used on the N97. From what I've seen of the new Symbian, Android is still a better experience overall.
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Meh, I'm on the fence about jumping into advertising on it for money. I only have two followers which are friends that I hang out with. Don't think it would be worth it. Plus, I kinda feel like a whore for some reason with all the advertising I have to see on my phone and computer.
I looked thru your blog. I think you have some interesting contribtions to make (but I would stay out of politics). The problem I have is the black background. I had to copy the articles into a Word document to be able to read them.
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I looked thru your blog. I think you have some interesting contribtions to make (but I would stay out of politics). The problem I have is the black background. I had to copy the articles into a Word document to be able to read them.
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You are missing the point. If there are no connections, I can't use Google sky!
I need to store charts to have them available and there is no way to do that. If you want no light pollution, you go to dark sky sites. If you are out of line of site of a tower, you have no service.
Yes, I have no trouble where I have service.
Am I required to do my vacations where I have service only?
So are you saying Android doesn't have an app that can store and read astronomy charts, where symbian does? What does that have to with syncing with the cloud? The only thing you're syncing with the cloud are emails, contacts and calendar and you said you don't do that much of that anyways.

An android phone will function like a pda without cell service. You can connect your phone to a computer, save files, backup files just like a pda. The only thing you don't have access to is gmail.

I don't know much about astronmy or what you want to do with the charts, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is app in market that will allow you to read those charts store on your SD card. You just gotta look for it.
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Actually, I've found few astronomy apps for Android, but am hopeful more are coming.

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I've liked both Symbian and Android. But when it comes to going against each other, Android wins. Its far more modern, and has a lot going for it, especially with it being so open. I still keep my Symbian phone (E63) around, in case I need GSM service, and that it still makes a good music player and has an incredible battery life with it in offline mode (I haven't charged it in a couple weeks and it still has 1/3 battery left).

The only thing that my E63 did better than my Android, was video recording. And not necessarily because the camera was better, in fact, it was worse. But my Nokia used .WAV sound instead of .AMR sound, and .WAV is FAR better quality. .WAV sounds about Youtube quality (not great, but okay), and .AMR sounds like listening through a tin can. That seems to be more of a HTC thing though, than a fault with Android itself. Motorola Androids tend to have excellent audio.
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That is to be expected because .wav is uncompressed. But .wav takes a lot more bytes to store - 10 to 25 times the amount than e.g. .mp3. Here is an interesting article explaining the different audio codecs.
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The new Android recording codec is AAC - finally. AMR is kinda sucky. It was partially HTC's fault, but also partially Android's fault - the earlier native portions were limited in their audio codecs and the phone makers had no reason to license the better stuff or even support the software development when free in the short term when they could simply wait for Gingerbread and just have it as a library call.

Without a pro mic, just the phone's built-in mic - there's no way I can imagine a good compression codec sounding any different than WAV/AIFF(*), because once you exceed microphone capabilities with the codec, it can't matter. And depending upon the actual stuff being recorded and the codec settings, then even the mic may not matter.

AAC in that article says Apple fans are likely to have lots in that format. Perhaps. There's a myth that AAC is an Apple codec - it's really just the follow-on standard to mp3.

(*)Actually, by definition, any recording is compressed and anything digital is compressed further. But by convention, it's popular to call the least compressed as uncompressed, even though that's not really true. That's your fun fact for the day.
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The new Android recording codec is AAC - finally. AMR is kinda sucky.
That is interesting. I guess they picked it because it is free (no licensing required), also used for MPEG4 video and it is "Apple compatible". Quality should be OK. It is supposed to be better than MP3.
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Actually, on an Apple, you usually have to download Perian - The swiss-army knife of QuickTime components to get the AMR codec.

And the newer HTCs are now recording in H.264, no MPEG4 option anymore - even though they're still at Android 2.2.
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Actually, on an Apple, you usually have to download Perian - The swiss-army knife of QuickTime components to get the AMR codec.

And the newer HTCs are now recording in H.264, no MPEG4 option anymore - even though they're still at Android 2.2.
Yeah, this is a real circus. Google removes H.264 from Chrome and Microsoft puts it back - LOL ( Microsoft Adds (Symbolic) H.264 Support with Chrome Extension ). I wonder what Google plans concerning H.264.
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yeap - that totally surprised me
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SO, the best thing of Android over Symbian is the enhanced user experience and the interface. hmmm Nokia trying to cope it with Meego coz Nokia itself thinks that Symbian is bad by default to compete with Android.
I simply love Google and their futuristic approach. They purchased Android inc. in 2005 for a small amount and made it the world's best-selling smartphone platform
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SO, the best thing of Android over Symbian is the enhanced user experience and the interface. hmmm Nokia trying to cope it with Meego coz Nokia itself thinks that Symbian is bad by default to compete with Android.
I simply love Google and their futuristic approach. They purchased Android inc. in 2005 for a small amount and made it the world's best-selling smartphone platform
Meego is practically vaporware. I can only vaguely recall one phone with it. I don't know if Nokia thinks Symbian is bad, just more that they're hard-headed about the whole affair.

I'd say another edge for Android is that it has become the bleeding edge of technology in the mobile space. Where once this was a domain of Nokia, Motorola, and Apple, Android phones are pushing limits not thought of just a few years ago. Google has a very unique approach to their OS and its paying dividends so long as the sue-happy competition doesn't cause it to grind to a halt.
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You are missing the point. If there are no connections, I can't use Google sky!
I need to store charts to have them available and there is no way to do that. If you want no light pollution, you go to dark sky sites. If you are out of line of site of a tower, you have no service.
Yes, I have no trouble where I have service.
Am I required to do my vacations where I have service only?
Without internet connection, your Android phone isn't any worst, and still a heck of a lot better than your Symbian S60 without any connection. With an internet connection, it becomes much much better even more.

I have used my Android phones for trips abroad without any data connection. They work wonderful as camera, voice and text only phones.

There are apps that will work independently of data or can work offline by caching data before hand.

Its not like there are a few astronomy and astrology apps on Android, there is probably more of such than in Symbian S60. And Symbian S60 doesn't have anything remotely to Google Sky Maps. in fact, something like Google Sky Maps can't be done on Symbian S60.

By the way I've owned Symbian S60 phones, and the disparity with Android is mighty big.

Also your insistence on GSM and T-Mobile is trapping. Just because they don't have service in your area doesn't mean others don't. Just because you don't see cell towers doesn't mean there is not. Modern cell towers can be surprisingly small nowadays.
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I'm still waiting for the MWC to see if Nokia is unveiling the first MeeGo phone. A brand new OS from scratch aimed at the portable devices world might be a much better solution than Symbian which can hardly evolve since it still must target low end devices.
Besides MeeGo should be able to run QT applications. I just recently downloaded QT with its QT Quick high level language and it's simple to create cool good looking apps with neat effects, transitions, gestures, etc. So I can only expect a booming of quality apps using this.

However I haven't really tried Android yet.

I own a Nokia 5800 and while it gets the basic stuff done, it's quite underpowered compared to what's out there today.
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I own a Nokia 5800 and while it gets the basic stuff done, it's quite underpowered compared to what's out there today.
I also used a Nokia 5800 for a few days . Its resistive touchscreen really s
*cks. pretty unresponsive.
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It's just different.. I find it works pretty well if I use my thumb's fingernail or any fingernail for that matter
When I tried and HTC I was typing all wrong cause I was using my fingernail still when you're supposed to use your finger.. just a matter of getting used to 2 slightly different methods
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No - with a bring your own phone on TM, I don't have to have a data plan. I can use wifi only. With Verizon once, and didn't trust them.
And I've seen warnings in Moab, UT. If you can't see the LaSals, you have no service. Don't care which carrier. Lost all connection while driving across the Navajo rez years ago. With Verizon then. Mountains and Canyons
Lots of 4WD activity there.
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bout Sky Maps - There is a program called Styletap that will let you run Palm programs. I had Astromist. I ran it on the C6. It wouldn't run full screen.
I found really good charts in PDF and they work very well on the Apollo. I can edit them to suit me. That is where the touch screen excels. And you have more choice for readers with Android.

I just bought an Audubon bird guide from Market. It is self contained, but it is far superior to anything available for Symbian.

I agree about the touch screen not being responsive on the Nokia.

I'm finding some Google accounts I can get to on the phone are great - others can get lost.

I also use the internet in my own way. I don't need GPS - I can read a map, and prefer to. The constant chatter and having to look at the thing while driving bothers me. And I have a Garmin. Otherwise, I can find direction by sun and stars. Also tell time that way. I don't watch movies - they bore me. I am not a fan of Twitter and Facebook, or Youtube either. I'm an info junky for my interests.

The phone is there for calls, and a way to get all the information I desire when I want it without having to carry 4 or 5 books. If the OS allows me to work my way, then it's superior in my book.

I've put Skype on the Nokia, and I have it on the Apollo.
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What did you download QT for? The phone? I just saw where it has been released for the PC, so maybe you will get some better apps.
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Oh you got a C6? That's the one with the sliding keyboard. That's a nice phone for sending messages, keyboard and a nice body construction. I thought of gifting one to a friend or relative before.
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I gave the C6 to my daughter. She is going back and forth between England and the States. The C6 will let you select wifi only, plus since it was unlocked, all she has to do is get a local sim. I managed to get Skype for it and it works.
I do like the new Apollo, but Samsung is torking me off. It's not an American phone, so I can't use Samsung's US site. That means that I can't even buy accessories. At least Nokia would sell accessories and apps to everyone. You just got a different page according to country and carrier.

I bought the Beam PDF reader. I liked the controls on it. The one for the C6 plodded. Got that app sorted out for Astronomy. GS is OK for live view, but is a pain when you are hunting for an object. I found some excellent charts in PDF, which work much better with the faster screen on the Apollo. Since the charts are PDF, I can edit them in Adobe Illustrator.

I also bought Audubon Bird Guide. Anyone that is interested in putting out a guide or how-to book should check that out! It's as good as a hard copy for reading, and even better since the bird's song is included!

The main objection I have to a lot of the Android Apps is the description doesn't give you enough information! Symbian had a lot of independent sites for the sis files, and they usually did give the info. Ovi, like market, didn't give it, either. But since most people just see the app as something they want, they download willy-nilly and don't care about size, workings, etc. Then they complain to the carrier or the phone mfg. I'd blame Apple for that.

BTW - I do read system requirements. You had to with Symbian.
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What did you download QT for? The phone? I just saw where it has been released for the PC, so maybe you will get some better apps.
I downloaded the QT SDK for my PC in order to develop apps using their QML (part of QT Quick) framework. It's a high level programming language that allows you to quickly create nice looking UIs with cool effects which integrates with Javascript or C++ for its core functionality.
Some of the examples are pretty cool... they have some simple games with minimal code... but it also works pretty well for web-enabled stuff.. heck it even has a component that is a web browser in itself

You can then compile your app to run on your PC, phone, etc. But you'll need the QT library to go with it but then the new Nokia phones should have it within them. For the existing ones, it's an extra download.

Regarding Skype for Nokia... dunno how it works with Android, but on my 5800 it works well if I have 10 contacts... if I have 400 then it lags beyond usable...
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Skype for Android works OK. We were playing with both phones and everything was working. Will not have that many contacts. Just a way to keep track of one or two people.
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Has anybody tried Google Talk in 3.0 yet?
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I gave the C6 to my daughter. She is going back and forth between England and the States. The C6 will let you select wifi only, plus since it was unlocked, all she has to do is get a local sim. I managed to get Skype for it and it works.
I know. I've seen the C6 here. All our phones here are unlocked. All my Androids are unlocked too. For their price, they are nicely built and styled phones.

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I do like the new Apollo, but Samsung is torking me off. It's not an American phone, so I can't use Samsung's US site. That means that I can't even buy accessories. At least Nokia would sell accessories and apps to everyone. You just got a different page according to country and carrier.
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The main objection I have to a lot of the Android Apps is the description doesn't give you enough information! Symbian had a lot of independent sites for the sis files, and they usually did give the info. Ovi, like market, didn't give it, either. But since most people just see the app as something they want, they download willy-nilly and don't care about size, workings, etc. Then they complain to the carrier or the phone mfg. I'd blame Apple for that.

BTW - I do read system requirements. You had to with Symbian.
There are many independent sites that lets you know about Android apps. Like Appbrain, Androlib, GetJar, Handango. The new Android Market is also a leap away from the Ovi Store when it comes to presenting information. There is now the new web or browser based Android Market where you can browser for app and download apps that are pushed straight to your phone wirelessly.

There is just simply a huge difference in the sheer number and quality of Android apps vs. Symbian ones. Symbian apps tend to be very basic because they are forced to run under very tight RAM requirements and deal with the different configurations of Nokia phones. You have to make an app to somehow run on an N97 Mini, then a 5800, then an E72 then an N86, and when you realize just how different these phones are, its just crazy. So you're programming for the least common denominator, the most common factor among these phones.
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I've used Getjar for Symbian. They were pretty good. I didn't realize they had Android.

Just because push is available, doesn't always mean it's better. Take the Google Sky App. Even using manual, it jiggles too much. Astromist ran on the old Palm platform. You could control your telescope via bluetooth or infrared, put up any kind of circles from Telrad to CCD, excellent moon map, track Jupiter, Saturn satellites, etc. w/o push. Just math. And that's old tech by now. Developer has it on Iphone and pad now, and people are pleading for Android. I suppose this would go for anyone who needs a static chart.

I have found most of my preferred info - Astronomy, nature, geology in PDF. I bought the Beam Reader as it was the easiest to control. This means I can just carry a camera and the phone and have most of my information available at a touch.

A lot of people are looking for "cool." And if your needs don't match their "cool", they can be quite nasty. I've seen more understanding here than on some of the other forums. You have quite a few ex-palm PDA users. You have fanboys, but they either get squelched or they are more reasonable than the usual younger group.

I'm all for any OS that doesn't make assumptions and can be configured for most tastes.
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I don't see how Google Sky Maps jiggles. Neither does it "push". It syncs, and its fast, as a lot of other astronomy apps tend to be slow. It is essentially an augmented reality application. Everything works like a gyroscope, determines real time position based on accelerometer, GPS and compass. Sky Maps works by pointing the phone to one direction in the sky, then it will determine what is the current star pattern in that direction all in real time. It will even find you the planets and stars beneath the horizon.
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