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Old October 21st, 2011, 11:11 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Better widgets
Nicer looking launcher
More colorful and nicer looking icons and menus
Easier set up for Exchange accounts
Better looking widgets
Visually the whole experience is snappier
Better lock screen
-I have a better lock screen than sense because I use WidgetLocker which I can customize any way I want. Even if I had sense I would have to use it, because Sense's lock screen still has no where near the options.

-between BeautifulWidgets and LauncherPro+ I have all the widgets AND a more customizable launcher

-All of my home screen icons can be changed because of LauncherPro

-I don't use exchange so I can't say first hand but my wife does. She had a phone with sense and she still prefers the Touchdown app for exchange.

So in conclusion, I spent $4 on apps on a $500+ phone to get the same visual enhancements and I have a smoother running, snappier, faster phone. Sounds like a no brainer to me. Even the MT4G with more RAM isn't enough to make Sense as smooth as stock Android!!

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-I have a better lock screen than sense because I use WidgetLocker which I can customize any way I want. Even if I had sense I would have to use it, because Sense's lock screen still has no where near the options.

-between BeautifulWidgets and LauncherPro+ I have all the widgets AND a more customizable launcher

-All of my home screen icons can be changed because of LauncherPro

-I don't use exchange so I can't say first hand but my wife does. She had a phone with sense and she still prefers the Touchdown app for exchange.

So in conclusion, I spent $4 on apps on a $500+ phone to get the same visual enhancements and I have a smoother running, snappier, faster phone. Sounds like a no brainer to me. Even the MT4G with more RAM isn't enough to make Sense as smooth as stock Android!!
All apps you have to pay for and/or install after market. With Sense I don't have to pay anything for the same thing. That's a no brainer to me. The performance thing is a red herring IMO. The performance difference is insignificant at best when the trade off is a worse user experience.
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All apps you have to pay for and/or install after market. With Sense I don't have to pay anything for the same thing. That's a no brainer to me. The performance thing is a red herring IMO. The performance difference is insignificant at best when the trade off is a worse user experience.
That is what makes Android great, so many options.

You like simple, I like more options, faster, and better looking.
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That is what makes Android great, so many options.

You like simple, I like more options, faster, and better looking.
Having sense does not stop anyone from installing whatever fugly widgets/apps they want. And "better looking" is highly subjective. At least with Sense everything has a consistent look to it.
 
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Easier set up for Exchange accounts
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Visually the whole experience is snappier
Better lock screen
None of the above stuff matters to me, or I can get what I want using Vanilla. Vanilla, Sense, Touchwiz, Motoblur...just depends on what you want. Like I said, I work by the KISS rule. I use one widget, the stock weather widget. Not terribly concerned with appearance or impressing others, just want the phone to be totally stable and trouble-free, as fast and easy to use as possible and capable of everything I need it to do. For me OEM bloatware does nothing good regarding any of that, only bad.

If someone wants to use Sense or whatever, fine. Go crazy with eyecandy and social networking widgets. I just think we should be able to go vanilla without having to root the phone. Like we can (mostly) choose what apps to install. IOW, this OEM bloatware should be an optional choice.
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i'm big in to social networking, so for me some of those functions could help me out a lot. thats actually one of the reasons windows phone 7 looks so cool! (not that I would get one - just think that they really did social networking in a nice way)
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You're being slightly obtuse man. No one is discounting or trying to change your opinion about Sense, they are merely telling you how they feel about it, you don't have to be argumentative. I, for one, cannot stand it. I try so hard to stick with Sense, but its just boring in my opinion. I will say this, with my past of root and ROM, its unlikely I will ever stick with a stock interface (unless ICS is mindblowing) so I am not the majority.
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Please, let's not turn this into a points-scoring (or e-peen-waving) contest.... the OP has no prior Android experience, and asked for advice. Personal preferences are just that.... personal.

Here's a reminder of the OP's actual question:

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If you have experience with Sense, given the demo of ice cream sandwich, if you were thinking of getting a new phone, would you be going vanilla for ICS? or would you wait for HTC's new sense adaptation of ICS?
Same question to those of you using touchwiz?
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Slug, thanks for the thread direction, and i agree we could avoid maybe the direct attacks, but I'm really benefitting from everyone defending their preferred system. every little thing that gets brought up, i have been googling for more information (and to find out if i agree or disagree with the argument). this thread has been very helpful so far!

So i pose another question: i'll flip this one around for everyone using sense or touchwiz (or vanilla, - but since we dont have experience with ics yet, is would be tough to answer) is there any one or two things or features that is on the other UI that you do like or wish was included in your UI choice. (If there is, then what was it, and did you find an acceptable workaround yet or are you still looking?)
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So i pose another question: i'll flip this one around for everyone using sense or touchwiz (or vanilla, - but since we dont have experience with ics yet, is would be tough to answer) is there any one or two things or features that is on the other UI that you do like or wish was included in your UI choice. (If there is, then what was it, and did you find an acceptable workaround yet or are you still looking?)
I ditched Sense a month after I got my phone. Although I don't miss anything about it, Sense does have a very polished look and feel to it comparable but not similar to iOS.
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Sense is prettier than vanilla ICS. Vanilla is probably going to run smoother, but won't look as pretty. It's all about personal preference. Do you want something that sleek and snappy but not as flashy or do you want something that is flashy and has a little more features but not quite as snappy and sleek? It's a personal preference.
I can't stand sense. It breaks some parts of Android that I'd rather it not break, and it slows down the phone considerably to boot.
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I can't stand sense. It breaks some parts of Android that I'd rather it not break, and it slows down the phone considerably to boot.
really? breaks it? like what? i only usually here it "breaks" it in terms of smoothness of operation.
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is there any one or two things or features that is on the other UI that you do like or wish was included in your UI choice.
One Sense feature I loved were the Friendstream and Calendar widgets; they gave me exactly the information I wanted in a view that suited me. However they can be replicated with third-party apps/widgets.... I use Koxx's Pure series. The only limit with Android is your own imagination.
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One Sense feature I loved were the Friendstream and Calendar widgets; they gave me exactly the information I wanted in a view that suited me. However they can be replicated with third-party apps/widgets.... I use Koxx's Pure series. The only limit with Android is your own imagination.
One of the best things about LauncherPro Plus was the friends widget. I just tried out the Pure Messaging widget and it is even better! I love it! I had been looking for a widget like this because I am probably going to stick with the stock launcher in ICS now that I can replace the LPP widgets.
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One Sense feature I loved were the Friendstream and Calendar widgets; they gave me exactly the information I wanted in a view that suited me. However they can be replicated with third-party apps/widgets.... I use Koxx's Pure series. The only limit with Android is your own imagination.
Of all the Facebook/social messing widgets, I'd have to agree that Sense seems to have the best of the bunch. In my preferential order, it is:

Sense (Friend Stream)
Motoblur
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Default Facebook widget.

You might be like: "Wha??? Motoblur?!?" Yes, Motoblur's Social Networking widget. In fact, it's the only reason why I never installed an AOSP ROM on my DX. It's not as pretty or fluid as Friend Stream, but it's simple and straight forward. You can resize it (default is 1x4 - at least on my old DX). It displays only the updates you haven't seen (you can tap it to see previous ones). But, like I said, it's just not as pretty as Sense. But beats the pants off of the default one. Sometimes I miss it.

Friend Caster is just a slightly prettier and more useful version of the default Facebook widget. I think you can put Twitter accounts into it, too. But I'm not sure about that (Twitter can go tweet itself for all I care). But it's far from Sense/Blur. Never seen TouchWiz's social widget. I didn't care for the one in Go Launcher Ex. Haven't seen LPP's. But I'm thinking about trying LPP one day.
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I honestly love Touchwiz, but hate the look. Add Launcherpro and the functionality is still there with more of a stock look.

That said, I can't wait for vanilla ICS. There's quite a few functions seemingly borrowed from TW on ICS - swipe to call/message, reject call with message, panoramic camera built in.

We'll see how ICS deals with codec support. Touchwiz is second to none in this area.
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First, the demo of Ice Cream Sandwich from the other night looks amazing! Looks like that they took a lot of the things that people liked about Touchwiz and Sense, and added them into the mix. Which begs the question, what is next?

I'm currently on iPhone, and want an android. Only would be looking at best phone running one of the three, sense, touchwiz, or vanilla ICS. Correct me if i'm wrong, but these would be respectively, Sensation, Galaxy SII, and Galaxy Nexus.

What are people's thoughts? If you have experience with Sense, given the demo of ice cream sandwich, if you were thinking of getting a new phone, would you be going vanilla for ICS? or would you wait for HTC's new sense adaptation of ICS?
Same question to those of you using touchwiz?

wait? or dive right in?
If it were me and I was deciding on a new phone (which I am) then I would be looking at the hardware more than anything else right now. Figure out which phone will be the right size for you and go from there. The UI is pretty insignificant if the phone is too big/small for you or doesn't have enough memory, long enough battery life or fast enough processor to be useful to you. Custom UIs are secondary these days to good hardware. UIs can be duplicated or modified, but bad hardware is just bad hardware.

After using phones with Sense, TouchWiz, Blur and just plain stock I am an advocate for Vanilla Android over any of the other "enhanced" UIs. The important thing to remember is that while people refer to Sense and TouchWiz as launchers or skins they actually go much deeper on the phone. They actually affect the entire user experience. With Sense you are talking about a different calendar, phone, contact list, settings menu, etc. TouchWiz alters many of these things as well in a similar fashion. While some of these changes can be considered purely cosmetic, others will actually change the way certain parts of the phone function which can be good or bad. As others have said, the additional UIs will also cause OS updates to be delayed.

The beautiful thing about Android is that you don't have to buy a phone based on the widgets it has or a couple specific features that it includes. More likely than not, that same feature, widget or app will be available in the market for free or at a reasonable cost. Take Sense and some of its features as an example. Like the big flip clock that comes with Sense? You can use Beautiful Widgets, Fancy Widgets or Weather & Toggle Widget to get the same thing only these are skinable to make them even more personal. Like the scrollable widgets with Sense? You can use Android Pro Widgets or Colorize Widgets to give you something very similar. If you wake up one day and decide that you want a different user experience then you can also add a custom launcher like Launcher Pro, Launcher Pro Plus (adds Sense like widgets), ADW, ADW EX, Regina 3D Launcher, Go Launcher EX or Launcher 7 (If you feel like having Windows Phone 7). An additional feature for each of these launchers is the option/ability to skin them and give your phone an entirely new look in just a few minutes. As Slug mentioned, the sky is the limit and you really are only limited by your imagination. Keep in mind though, that you can add a launcher to any phone, but the manufacturer installed custom UIs can't be removed without rooting the phone and installing a new rom.

Good luck, I hope you find the phone that is perfect for you and your needs. Let us know what you decide to go with.
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-I have a better lock screen than sense because I use WidgetLocker which I can customize any way I want. Even if I had sense I would have to use it, because Sense's lock screen still has no where near the options.

-between BeautifulWidgets and LauncherPro+ I have all the widgets AND a more customizable launcher

-All of my home screen icons can be changed because of LauncherPro

-I don't use exchange so I can't say first hand but my wife does. She had a phone with sense and she still prefers the Touchdown app for exchange.

So in conclusion, I spent $4 on apps on a $500+ phone to get the same visual enhancements and I have a smoother running, snappier, faster phone. Sounds like a no brainer to me. Even the MT4G with more RAM isn't enough to make Sense as smooth as stock Android!!
I had a D1 (vanilla Android phone) for 1.5. years and I tried to find third party widgets to replicate Sense and nothing came close to me (Beautiful Widgets has a nice weather clock though). The Go! Team has some nice FB and calander widgets but even they aren't as nice and seamless as Sense's in my opinion. And I tried every calendar widget from every app developer and I still prefer the Sense one over them all. Plus, Sense widgets work perfectly on my DINC2 while third-party widgets had more of a tendency to be buggy (of course, that varied depending on the developer).

Like I said before, I don't have any interest in rooting and rom'ing...if I did, my opinion could possibly be different. I just want the best out-of-the-box experience and I feel that Sense is the best in that regard, by far.

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I had a D1 (vanilla Android phone) for 1.5. years and I tried to find third party widgets to replicate Sense and nothing came close to me (Beautiful Widgets has a nice weather clock though). The Go! Team has some nice FB and calander widgets but even they aren't as nice and seamless as Sense's in my opinion. And I tried every calendar widget from every app developer and I still prefer the Sense one over them all. Plus, Sense widgets work perfectly on my DINC2 while third-party widgets had more of a tendency to be buggy (of course, that varied depending on the developer).

Like I said before, I don't have any interest in rooting and rom'ing...if I did, my opinion could possibly be different. I just want the best out-of-the-box experience and I feel that Sense is the best in that regard, by far.

Launcher pro+ replicates the sense widgets pretty well minus the clock. The thing i like about LP+ is that the widgets are actually themeable quite easily. Ill post some screenies later.
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I liked sense at 1st, still enjoy it and is so easy going back to it.

I currently rock launcher pro of go launcher and the options seem to be endless. I dont even have the need to root yet. Maybe in time, but I just make a folder and put the useless crap in there, done! I know it would free up more memory and what not, but I have plenty and my phone dont lag, so really is it needed? I dont think so right now.

I will say, it would be nice if I wanted to delete the crap instead of hide it. That is cool if they apply that without having to root.

Really like the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. Seems hit or miss with the masses, but I really am ready for a bigger phone. I never thought I would say that, but seems 4.3" and up is the sweet spot.

Wish I could upgrade as soon as this beast comes out, but no funds to do so till Feb. Hurry up Feb!
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If it were me and I was deciding on a new phone (which I am) then I would be looking at the hardware more than anything else right now.
That absolutely what I will be doing. No matter what, i'll get the best phone available when the time comes. but usually these two companies (htc and samsung) have similar flagship models.

i like the galaxy nexus, but it isn't really any better than the galaxy s2 as far as i can tell. the only difference is the screen, and having ice cream sandwich. so the technology in it i don't think is groundbreaking (someone correct me if i'm wrong).

That being said, if a quad core android (with decent battery) came out, i'd jump on it. haha. i definitely want the power, and a large screen is cool with me. as i said before, i could do up to 5" i think for a phone (but i haven't seen a 4.7 in person so idk)

But you guys brought up a good point. google phones get the updates fastest. (do they also get more support a couple years down the road compared to other phones? ie - is it more likely to be getting updates, say, 2 years from now, for an HTC/Samsung or for a Google phone?)
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But you guys brought up a good point. google phones get the updates fastest.
That's a double-edged sword - 2.3.6 broke tethering, and it wasn't the only update that messed something up. On the other hand, manufacturer customized phones are updated less frequently.
 
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just looked up that whole breaking of tethering thing, very interesting.

i just hope to see a revolution in hardware at some point this coming year.

not gonna lie, i would have liked to see a little bit more of a revolutionary google phone. (but i ultimately cant complain because i still am sucking wind with the iphone 3gs haha)
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But you guys brought up a good point. google phones get the updates fastest. (do they also get more support a couple years down the road compared to other phones? ie - is it more likely to be getting updates, say, 2 years from now, for an HTC/Samsung or for a Google phone?)
Typically a pure Google phone will continue to get updates as long as the hardware allows. The Galaxy Nexus will get Jelly Bean when it comes out along with Key Lime Pie (making that one up) if the hardware hasn't advanced too much. I'm not sure if Google ever intended for Ice Cream Sandwich to be on the Nexus One or not, but developers are already putting it on there. There aren't any future proof phones, but there are phones that get support for a long long time and Nexus phones tend to fit that category. In two years you will probably want an upgrade anyway for some new impressive feature that only the latest and greatest offers.

HTC phones will typically get at least one upgrade in their lifetime and they have been pretty good about getting those updates out quickly. Samsung on the other hand is notoriously bad about getting updates out for non-Nexus US phones. I know my original Galaxy S is still waiting on Gingerbread even now.

There are going to be trade offs with anything you get though. With HTC you will typically get a solid phone with a nice looking interface, but they can be slow at times and the battery life is pretty sub-par. Samsung will make you wait forever to get updates, but they have the best screens and have top notch build quality (I've dropped my phone dozens of times, but it still works really well and hardly has a scratch on it). IMHO, the Nexus devices offer a chance to be up to date all the time and currently that same Samsung build quality. Also, as thedosbox was saying, the updates you get could hurt a feature you like.
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yummmm key lime pie!!!! haha
that is a good summary of the compromise that is made in each of the manufacturers!
in my, admittedly limited, experience, samsung has the best screen, which is a VERY appealing feature, cuz no matter what UI, widgets, and other crap you have on your phone, you're always looking at that screen.

as you may have figured out by now, I am a HUGE overthinker :P
every product i plan to buy I do hours and hours, and sometimes months of research, before I make a decision. happened with my laptop, TV, Bike, DSLR, Speakers, even frying pans... and now phones!
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just looked up that whole breaking of tethering thing, very interesting.

i just hope to see a revolution in hardware at some point this coming year.

not gonna lie, i would have liked to see a little bit more of a revolutionary google phone. (but i ultimately cant complain because i still am sucking wind with the iphone 3gs haha)
I don't think you can really go wrong seeing where you are coming from. Just about anything you get will be an upgrade in hardware, performance as well as user experience. It sounds like you are really doing your research and I have a feeling you will get the right device no matter what. The only two things I would suggest would be to actually get each phone in your hand and see what you really think and to maybe start a thread in the Sensation forum as well as the SGS2 forum to ask what people like and/or dislike about their phones. People are typically pretty honest about their user experience, but you have to take some comments with a grain of salt. We are on a forum after all and it isn't typical for people to come here just to shout about how much they love their phone. You could also visit the rooting section for each phone to figure out what type of developer support there is, if rooting is something you think you might be interested in.


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yummmm key lime pie!!!! haha
that is a good summary of the compromise that is made in each of the manufacturers!
in my, admittedly limited, experience, samsung has the best screen, which is a VERY appealing feature, cuz no matter what UI, widgets, and other crap you have on your phone, you're always looking at that screen.

as you may have figured out by now, I am a HUGE overthinker :P
every product i plan to buy I do hours and hours, and sometimes months of research, before I make a decision. happened with my laptop, TV, Bike, DSLR, Speakers, even frying pans... and now phones!
I'm the exact same way. That is the way I found this forum and the reason I joined. Some of us are just nuts I guess.

The only way I can typically break down and make a decision is to actually make a need list and a want list. I'll go through and figure out what I actually need my phone to do along with the things I really just want it to do. Once I've broken that down then the decision is typically pretty easy. My problem was that Verizon has three pretty top notch devices coming this November, but the Galaxy Nexus really has what I need and want so it made everything easier.
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oh man, that is so much easier said than done for me. I'm WAY too critical at the same time!!!

need:
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email
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everything else these phones could even possibly think of including....

result: get a $60 phone with a $35-40 plan...

not happening haha!

the galaxy nexus is definitely a sweet phone (although no known canadian carriers lol) but it wasn't a big change in tech. although, historically, i guess the nexus phones haven't been tech leaders. i was thinking of just waiting for the next big tech change. but then who is to define what a big tech change is? it would just suck if i wait until the galaxy s3 or the next flagship htc just to find out that it isn't all that much better than the nexus. WHY CANT THEY ALL JUST COME OUT AT THE SAME TIME!!!! haha
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oh man, that is so much easier said than done for me. I'm WAY too critical at the same time!!!

need:
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email
texting

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everything else these phones could even possibly think of including....

result: get a $60 phone with a $35-40 plan...

not happening haha!

the galaxy nexus is definitely a sweet phone (although no known canadian carriers lol) but it wasn't a big change in tech. although, historically, i guess the nexus phones haven't been tech leaders. i was thinking of just waiting for the next big tech change. but then who is to define what a big tech change is? it would just suck if i wait until the galaxy s3 or the next flagship htc just to find out that it isn't all that much better than the nexus. WHY CANT THEY ALL JUST COME OUT AT THE SAME TIME!!!! haha
Wow, my need list is so much longer than that.

The Nexus devices are typically the same as whatever is currently out there at the time. I consider it one of the ways that Google chooses not to overly compete with the other companies.

In the iPhone world the waiting game can make sense. There is one new phone a year and it has typically been a good sized leap for each device. In the Android world the waiting game could have you sitting on the sidelines and waiting forever. There will always be a new and better phone just over the horizon and when it comes out something else will be just announced and the cycle will continue forever. The only thing you can really do is to wait for something that is solid and grab it when it comes. As I was saying before, if the phone is popular and the developer community supports it everything is ok.
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Vanilla over any manufacturer overlay, any day! Although out of all the manufactuer UIs, Sense is probably the one with the most eye candy.
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So will I be able to put ICS on a galaxy S2 or do i need to buy a samsung nexus instead??

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Reading folks' replies, I can see why I prefer Sense over everything else. When it comes to smartphones, I mainly care about:

smooth, bug-free UI

screen size and quality

battery life (battery life on my Incredible 2 is outstanding)

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UI capabilities out-of-the-box (without having to root or do any heavy modding...ICS has some nice out of the box capabilities, which is the only reason why I'm considering vanilla again)
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The interesting thing about this whole debate is that many of the features in vanilla Android have been duplicated/replicated from OEM skins. Google is trying to get OEMs to not skin the OS and the best way to do that is to offer an OS that doesn't need skinning. Many of the features of ICS (notably the lockscreen) have been taken straight from Sense. The advanced camera features are strangely similar to what is offered in Motoblur. People may dislike 3rd party skins, but when the features of those 3rd party skins crawl into vanilla no one complains about them.
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The interesting thing about this whole debate is that many of the features in vanilla Android have been duplicated/replicated from OEM skins. Google is trying to get OEMs to not skin the OS and the best way to do that is to offer an OS that doesn't need skinning. Many of the features of ICS (notably the lockscreen) have been taken straight from Sense. The advanced camera features are strangely similar to what is offered in Motoblur. People may dislike 3rd party skins, but when the features of those 3rd party skins crawl into vanilla no one complains about them.
The dialer looks exactly like the TouchWiz dialer. Is that how the dialer was before?
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Reading folks' replies, I can see why I prefer Sense over everything else. When it comes to smartphones, I mainly care about:

smooth, bug-free UI

screen size and quality

battery life (battery life on my Incredible 2 is outstanding)

form factor

UI capabilities out-of-the-box (without having to root or do any heavy modding...ICS has some nice out of the box capabilities, which is the only reason why I'm considering vanilla again)
Battery life on sense is terrible when compared to AOSP. Getting rid of that CarrierIQ crap and bloat does WONDERS for the battery.
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so i have no idea what to do.
at first i was 100% ready to get a galaxy s3.
then i did a full turnaround and was sure i was going to get the next HTC flagship device.
now after more reading, i've been putting a lot of thought into the galaxy nexus, (waiting up to several months for new updates when i know they are out there might drive me crazy haha)
i so don't know what i should do. gonna go back and watch the ICS demo. its just the whole, what COULD htc/samsung do? lol
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Battery life on sense is terrible when compared to AOSP. Getting rid of that CarrierIQ crap and bloat does WONDERS for the battery.
I hear you but my HTC Droid Incredible 2 has way better battery life than my D1 (vanilla) had. I do realize that the Thunderbolt and Evo had sub-par battery life, though.
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Battery life on sense is terrible when compared to AOSP. Getting rid of that CarrierIQ crap and bloat does WONDERS for the battery.
I don't agree. I had terrible battery life on my DInc. I rooted and got rid of all the bloatware. My battery life was still terrible. Made no difference at all.
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I don't agree. I had terrible battery life on my DInc. I rooted and got rid of all the bloatware. My battery life was still terrible. Made no difference at all.
Did you run AOSP? Did you remove CarrierIQ from the framework? (Or use a ROM)?
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I've run various ROMs including Cyanogen (which I think is ugly BTW). None of them resulted in any significant improvement in battery life.
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I've run various ROMs including Cyanogen (which I think is ugly BTW). None of them resulted in any significant improvement in battery life.

Then maybe its time to replace the battery lol. CM7 is what you make it.
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Then maybe its time to replace the battery lol. CM7 is what you make it.
You may be right. It is just so boring looking from the get go. Sure, I could toss alternate launchers, an alternate camera app, an alternate this and an alternate that on there and make it look nicer, but once I've done that why not just stick with Sense? If I get an extra 30-45 mins of battery life (which is so little that it could just be the way I was using the phone that day), it's just not worth it to me.
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You may be right. It is just so boring looking from the get go. Sure, I could toss alternate launchers, an alternate camera app, an alternate this and an alternate that on there and make it look nicer, but once I've done that why not just stick with Sense? If I get an extra 30-45 mins of battery life (which is so little that it could just be the way I was using the phone that day), it's just not worth it to me.
It all depends on your situation. However, the targetted audience for cyanogenmod is people like me who dont mind tweaking here and there to get the best performance. Personally, i get a full days use out of one charge and thats with more use than most people here.
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Hi

I just registered after seeing this thread - it's dead and dated now but I think I can help potential new recruits to the Android world who are in a similar dilemma.

All user interfaces that are skinned onto vanilla android are there mainly for 2 reasons

1) Ease of use (for non android fanatics who are typical users like myself)

2) Differentiation - phone manufacturers need to differentiate their phones in some way - remember hardware in many current phones is very similar and it's the UI that makes them really stand apart (apart from the obvious physical look)

For me I was using the HTC Hero for 3 years. The phone is simply awesome - and the Sense skin was perfect (it slowed the phone down somewhat but tbh I do nothing on my phone that would result in the world imploding if my apps didn't open instantly). The Sense skin made the transition to my first ever smart phone effortless and really improved my understanding and acceptance of the android platform. Skins were a brilliant tool to get people into using android platforms and because of the various types they have undeniably helped android becoming the power player it has become in the mobile phone OS market it is today.

However what I believe will put many veteran android users off from Touchwiz, sense, blur etc is simply the updates - or lack of them.

My HTC Hero was dated from the off - due to a combination of HTC and Orange (my network carrier) stalling and eventually not sending out updates. This was because they claim the phone hardware was unable to accept new OS. This in part is true - but only because I believe the skins and additional bloatware added eats too many of the resources.

Now after careful thought I have purchased the Galaxy Nexus on a 2 year contract.

Why have I left the sense/touch wiz experience behind?

Simple - I no longer wanted to be tied to phone manufacturer/Network carrier limitations. If you have a phone that you want to last the full contract with the latest operating system (without having to go through the bother of rooting) then having a Nexus family phone is the only way to go in my book). Your phone will receive OTA updates and will be more future proofed until contract time ends.

The Galaxy Nexus is the perfect phone with ICS - forget about the "quad Core phones" - NO operating system is up to the task of even coming close to using the potential these chips provide - regardless of what you read.

ICS as stated before has taken the best bits of all the roms out there and tried to implement it the best it can. ---> This is in my view Google's way of getting people unify android completely - after the release of Android 5.0 I truly believe that Phone manufacturer skins will be pointless. Vanilla android will move to become a unified, simplified OS that unlike Apple's IOS will give the android fanatics the FREEDOM to modify it further without limits.

In summation - forget the hype you'll read about future phones ie SG3 (android and more importantly the apps available wont come close to potential of Tergra 3 chips), ignore Touch wiz/Sense revisions and updates and you will normally have to wait ages for nothing and go Galaxy Nexus.

I'm done
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#1 Touchwiz 4 - Minimal with hardware acceleration
#2 ICS - Lacks hardware acceleration, doesnt feel any different to the gingerbread launcher imo.
#3 Sense - Bloated, uses allot of resources so can lag, out of memory errors can also occur.
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None of the Nexus phones come with a hardware keyboard. That is the reason I have not considered getting a Nexus phone. I'm willing to make the tradeoff of slower updates and possibly not geting ICS on my phone to have a physical keyboard. I also like the Sense skin and so far, I haven't found any feature on ICS that makes me really want to get it.
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I think this should end the debate. The Nexus S that was released a year ago has already received an official OTA update to Android 4.0. The new non nexus phones that were just released weeks ago are running an OS that is FAR INFERIOR (2.3, ICS is a HUGE update) and I don't expect then receive an update for months.

Why would you want to have a phone that when you buy it the OS is way outdated and won't catch up for months???
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I really love the Sense experience, I love the way it handles social networking mainly and the clean looking widgets. Ive been using Sense since my HTC Hero, then the original EVO and now the EVO 3D. Something always draws me back even when i think I'm bored of it. I will be interested to see HTCs take with sense and ICS. Great thing is if I wanted to get the stock ICS I can always slap on a ROM when its available and stable. For now, Sense does just fine and runs plenty smooth for me.
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I think this should end the debate. The Nexus S that was released a year ago has already received an official OTA update to Android 4.0. The new non nexus phones that were just released weeks ago are running an OS that is FAR INFERIOR (2.3, ICS is a HUGE update) and I don't expect then receive an update for months.

Why would you want to have a phone that when you buy it the OS is way outdated and won't catch up for months???
Any applications require it? No

Unless there are features you require in ICS there's is no reason to choose ICS over Gingerbread right now, choosing an inferior phone because the software is newer is stupid especially when you know ICS will be rolled out in the coming months to most phones.

Most the users here probably couldn't name five improvements ICS provides, some would probably struggle naming one.
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lol, most people on forums like this are PERPETUALLY itching for a new phone. I used to be like that.
I share your "used to be like that" comment. But since I got into smartphones I am willing to wait until my Verizon upgrade time arrives to begin looking for a new phone. Even then I don't run out and get a new phone. I kinda feel that if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

On the other hand I can except those who are changing phones often. I just think that there is a better way to spend their money than getting a new phone every 6 months or so or when some new feature or enhancement comes out.
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