Think of it this way: even without Carrier IQ, you are using a phone from Verizon. They know everybody you call, who you receive calls from, and when. Who you text, who texts you, and when. If you have 3G data, where you connect to and receive internet data, including emails sent and received (if the content is encrypted, they cannot read the emails, of course, but some people using POP mail on ISP accounts, for example, are running unencrypted.) Even without a smartphone, Verizon can locate your phone if it is on - at least they know the location of the tower your phone is using.
You are already trusting the carrier for all of this; have been for as long as you have owned a phone.
What he's saying is that even though he opted out... it is still tracking and reporting back. Happens around the 9 minute mark if I remember correctly and then again around the 15 minute mark...
What he's saying is that even though he opted out... it is still tracking and reporting back. Happens around the 9 minute mark if I remember correctly and then again around the 15 minute mark...
The opting out from Verizon is Verizon promising not to do anything with any data that is collected - it does not say that data will stop being collected.
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An Android developer recently discovered a clandestine application called Carrier IQ built into most smartphones that doesn't just track your location; it secretly records your keystrokes, and there's nothing you can do about it. Is it time to put on a tinfoil hat? That depends on how you feel about privacy.
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The reason for this invasive Android app seems reasonable enough at face value. Even though it's on most Android, BlackBerry and Nokia devices, most users would never know that Carrier IQ is running in the background, and that's sort of the point. Described on the company's website as software to gain "unprecedented insight into their customers' mobile experience," Carrier IQ is ostensibly supposed to help mobile carriers and device manufacturers gather data in order to improve their products.
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As security-conscious Android developer Trevor Eckhart realized, however, Carrier IQ does not give you this option, and unless you were code-savvy and looking for it, you'd never know it was there. And based on how aggressive the company has been in trying to keep Eckhart quiet about his discovery, it seems like Carrier IQ doesn't want you to know it's there either.
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The company sent Eckhart a cease-and-desist letter demanding that he keep his mouth shut and threatening legal action. But after the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) took a look at the case and determined that Eckhart was working within his First Amendment rights, it backed off but still denied that they recorded keystrokes.
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This week, Eckhart fired back with a 17-minute long video showing in painstaking detail how much data CarrierIQ collects, effectively undercutting the company's denial. It was even logging contents of text messages! Wired posted the video on Tuesday night and cemented its status "as one of nine reasons to wear a tinfoil hat." The magazine explains how CarrierIQ even undercuts other companies' security measures
So not only do we have to worry about the Senate wanting to pass a bill that allows the military to imprison anyone without a charge or trial and hold them indefinitely, or the dutch who created a deadly hybrid such and such virus that could wipe out most of the population, but this too. GEEZ, the future looks bright indeed
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Is this software on your smartphone? Eckhart has created an Android app that can check, but it’s not available from the Android Market – you’ll have to sideload it directly from the developer’s own site. Eckhart notes that it’s found on HTC and Samsung Android phones. Samsung phones offer a hard-to-access way to turn it off, while HTC does not.
No one has listed which phones. The article says Samsung does have a way to turn it off, but doesn't say how. If this is going to be discussed, how about some more information on who is using it, which phones, and if there is an opt out, however convoluted, post it. Besides rooting and using Cyanogen Mod.
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The opting out from Verizon is Verizon promising not to do anything with any data that is collected - it does not say that data will stop being collected.
Ouch. Sure, I trust them "We promise... we will get all this data but we wont do anything with it at all, no sirreee... I mean except by accident "
As I said, you are carrying a phone connected to Verizon's network. Even without Carrier IQ, they know which tower you are connected to and when you were connected; they know who you call and who you receive calls from. They know which web sites you visit and which internet data is accessed by any apps on your phone when you use their data network. You had to know that you were trusting them with this data, right, when you signed up for the service?
I hate the idea of Carrier IQ if it is, indeed, logging and uploading everything, but apparently one thing that they do is aggregate data before sending it along from your phone (which seems reasonable - that's a lot of data to be sending if they are sending along every keystroke, etc.) However, I think that people are missing the forest for the trees - if you have a Verizon phone on their network, there is already a lot of data that they can collect even without CIQ. (Which, apparently, is on none of their phones anyway.)
[By the way, just to clarify my answers, this thread started on the HTC Eris forums, which is an older Verizon model. Somebody moved the thread to the lounge. I was answering originally and specifically about Carrier IQ and the HTC Eris.]
In my humble opinion, the ONLY way not to be tracked is to get off the grid.... no cell phone, no credit card, no internet provider, and so on.
As long as you are connected, you will be tracked one way or another. Even your grocery store is tracking on what items you are buying and how often.
If only. The only way to not be tracked is to live like Ted Kacinski, hopefully with less violent results. You own a car, they know everything, have utilities accounts, they know everything, travel on a plane they know everything. Cameras are every where and soon we'll be on par with England in that realm. The only hope is that they gather so much data that the overload makes them focus only on what they need for their particular transaction. I also tend to fill out surveys and give totally false responses. It may not screw up their results but it's fun for me.
i like it.. lets all agree to mess with surveys...
lets all give the SAME info!!!....come up with one fake identity... and all use it when we can.. this person will keep popping up every where!!! all over the world!!!
Holy Phone Spying Batman!!!
Your Smart Phone is Spying on you (Seriously)
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