This is getting out of hand I'm getting sick of hearing apple trying to stomp out competition because they fail to step it up and I'm sorry that siri isn't it I rather not talk to my phone to see who texted me.
Here is a big reason why I think Apple wants Android out of the picture:
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Because Android is free to use, any company can pick it up and use it to power one of their products. That's meant a proliferation of low-cost devices, getting smartphones into the hands of budget-conscious consumers.
What bothers me is that one of the patents in this isn't just an HTC thing but something that goes all the way down to the OS. If Apple is successful in getting HTC banned they will have a good legal leg to stand on to go up against every Android manufacturer in the US and possibly abroad
I don't think it is a case of "sour apples" what Apple is trying to do is legally protect their property. If another OEM or Google infringed upon what they created then Apple has a right to protect what is theirs.
Now as to if they have an agenda or a method to their madness I won't comment on (yes I have an opinion but who doesn't )
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I don't think it is a case of "sour apples" what Apple is trying to do is legally protect their property. If another OEM or Google infringed upon what they created then Apple has a right to protect what is theirs.
Now as to if they have an agenda or a method to their madness I won't comment on (yes I have an opinion but who doesn't )
Apple did not invent locating data like phone numbers in text or webpages.
Hell, I did something like that 20 years ago and to make it even more interesting is that I probably still have the code.
Yet they get to say they invented this and anyone that's been around for awhile knows that this is a bunch of BS.
To me this is the same thing as rectangles with rounded corners.... REALLY?
Apple is a bad apple.
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Apple did not invent locating data like phone numbers in text or webpages.
Hell, I did something like that 20 years ago and to make it even more interesting is that I probably still have the code.
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And skype did it too long before iphones, but skype was on a bigger screen and you used a mouse instead of your finger so that means uh, well, it doesn't count or something.
Also, no one's ever copied anybody! At all, ever!
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Isn't what apple is doing considered an attempt to monopolize the market?
I think all the companies should ban together and create a class action lawsuit against apple for attempting to monopolize the market and such...
I mean there are only so many ways you can make a touch screen smart phone, its common sense they have to share similarities, its just who makes a better design is who should win the customers hearts...
Thats why I am never buying another apple device again, they seem to use lawsuits to try and remove competition they seem to not be able to compete with... (In my opinion).
Yes many people making the same/similar devices is redundant, but its free market competition as long as its NOT an "exact" ripoff copy flooding the market, which is what patents are made to help prevent... (Instead of encouraging competition stomping methods).
Here is 2 analogies to how I see apple:
1) Its like me making a chair for people to sit in, someone else makes a chair for people to sit in, but theirs rolls on the floor with omni-wheels, so I decide to sue them because their chair has 4 legs and an arm rest or something similar to my chair. Instead of making my chair better to compete with the competition.
2) Its like me owning a lawn care business, and someone else decides to have a lawn care business and does a better job faster than me, and then I sue them for providing the same service but under their different name/company, instead of upping my performance to compete with them...
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Apple did not invent locating data like phone numbers in text or webpages.
Hell, I did something like that 20 years ago and to make it even more interesting is that I probably still have the code.
Yet they get to say they invented this and anyone that's been around for awhile knows that this is a bunch of BS.
To me this is the same thing as rectangles with rounded corners.... REALLY?
Apple is a bad apple.
It isn't a matter of what it does in this case however it is a matter of how it does it. The reason Apple is going after this is because the method used by HTC infringes on the method they patented. If anyone had patented the process apple uses now 20 years ago then they should be able to go after Apple if it wasn't patented by someone 20 years ago simply having code isn't going to matter.
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Isn't what apple is doing considered an attempt to monopolize the market?
I think all the companies should ban together and create a class action lawsuit against apple for attempting to monopolize the market and such...
Because there is still windows phone, blackberry, and a slew of feature or dumb phones available claiming Apple is making a monopoly is a hard pill to swallow.
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I mean there are only so many ways you can make a touch screen smart phone, its common sense they have to share similarities, its just who makes a better design is who should win the customers hearts...
If that is the case then I wonder how Apple got all the patents when touch screen devices had been around for years before the iPhone, it seems like some of the OEM that made touch screen devices before Apple started would have patented most if not all the different ways before Apple even got in the game.
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Thats why I am never buying another apple device again, they seem to use lawsuits to try and remove competition they seem to not be able to compete with... (In my opinion).
That is the way business has been forever, if you want to use someone's tech you need to pay royalties for it or you get sued.
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Yes many people making the same/similar devices is redundant, but its free market competition as long as its NOT an "exact" ripoff copy flooding the market, which is what patents are made to help prevent... (Instead of encouraging competition stomping methods).
Many of the lawsuits aren't about an device x looks too much like an iDevice but rather device x uses this part of my (Apple's) property, they were not licensed to use it therefore they are in infringement and profiting off of something they don't have a right to do so.
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Here is 2 analogies to how I see apple:
1) Its like me making a chair for people to sit in, someone else makes a chair for people to sit in, but theirs rolls on the floor with omni-wheels, so I decide to sue them because their chair has 4 legs and an arm rest or something similar to my chair. Instead of making my chair better to compete with the competition.
2) Its like me owning a lawn care business, and someone else decides to have a lawn care business and does a better job faster than me, and then I sue them for providing the same service but under their different name/company, instead of upping my performance to compete with them...
I see the analogy more like this. There is more than 1 way to skin a cat, if I (Apple) patent my way then you start making a profit off of my way I better be in the cut before hand or I will use all legal resources at my disposal to stop you.
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2) Its like me owning a lawn care business, and someone else decides to have a lawn care business and does a better job faster than me, and then I sue them for providing the same service but under their different name/company, instead of upping my performance to compete with them...
You own a lawn business and have been mowing lawns, weed-eating and bagging the grass but never patented it.
Another company starts a lawn business, all their employees are too frail to handle a weedeater or bag grass but they wear fancy clothes while they cut with voice activated mowers and charge about twice as much. They patent the idea of mowing with a spinning horizontal blade and sue you.
(also the voice activated mowers can only be refueled with a special hose that hooks to the truck and takes about an hour, gas-cans wont work.)
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I think your missing the point somewhere, or I did not say it clearly...lol
I'm not here to bash apple, they did/do make some nice stuff, but in my eyes they lack respect to consumers and other companies, and that is why I dislike them... (That is the point I'm actually trying to explain...lol)
What I mean is instead of directly trying to "force" the competitor product off the shelves, they should work with the infringing product to try to pay royalties first, then let customers choose who is better at their smartphone combination/design/style/etc...
I also dislike them because:
1) The iPod touches I owned one I was charged for a hardware enabling software update, the other had an FM chip that was never enabled for FM radio...
2) They plainly told people why add FM radio when you have an ipod touch full of music... Well talk shows, events, news, weather, ... I can go on...
3) Tried to tell users what they were/were not allowed to do with their devices by trying to make hacking iPod touches and iPhones illegal...
I'm not out to get anyone or a company, I'm only saying I wont respect a company/person if they don't show me respect in return, its a two way street... That's why I don't like apple anymore...
The way I see it, why try to smite the copy cat competitor, wouldn't it be better and get more customers if you gloated about pioneering new better technology instead?
I mean people on their own will go for the pioneering company who makes unique new things rather than a company who copies designs...
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What I mean is instead of directly trying to "force" the competitor product off the shelves, they should work with the infringing product to try to pay royalties first, then let customers choose who is better at their smartphone combination/design/style/etc...
Yeah I can agree with that. I think it would be better for the consumer if in fact HTC/Google/<insert any android OEM here> is infringing on patents to instead of banning the other company have them pay royalties and keep the marketplace as it is
I can see this being bitter sweet for MS. They actually make a lot of money because of royalties paid to them by HTC as well as other Android OEM. But if it came to a point that I would have to choose between a WP8 phone or an iPhone I would be more drawn to go with WP8 based on my own feelings about Apple.
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Is this really a case of stolen code or are they going after HTC for just the action. The last article I read said it was the action.
Apple is going overboard with the patent applications and even getting some ridiculous patents granted (slide to unlock) but fortunately somebody at the patent office has woken up and decidied to take note. They were denied their application for "changing screens with a finger swipe gesture", TWICE! Actions are not supposed to be patentable.
Apple has taken the tact of filing for patents other companies declined to for what ever reason which is wrong no matter how you look at it. If you didn't come up with it and you try to patent it you are nothing but a thief (have a story involving a rather large shoemaker who stole something sports related, after seeing it demoed on a sideline they rushed out and filed a patent on it) and con artist.
It's abundantly clear that the patent process is extremely broken in this country. Software processes shouldn't be patentable at all. Rights protection there should be via copyright. What we have now is a company that through complication obtains patents for things that existed previously. Then uses those patents to eliminate competition. So far, Apple has been able to outlawyer the competition, but as with their "lead" in the smartphone race, I think that will change over time. Apples attempts to pick on the weak will only cause the competition to join forces against them. The exchange of money for rights is normal buisness for reputable companies, using patents to disrupt and damage is not.
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It's abundantly clear that the patent process is extremely broken in this country. Software processes shouldn't be patentable at all. Rights protection there should be via copyright. What we have now is a company that through complication obtains patents for things that existed previously. Then uses those patents to eliminate competition. So far, Apple has been able to outlawyer the competition, but as with their "lead" in the smartphone race, I think that will change over time. Apples attempts to pick on the weak will only cause the competition to join forces against them. The exchange of money for rights is normal buisness for reputable companies, using patents to disrupt and damage is not.
You took the words right from my mouth!
+1 to you, if I ever figure out how!
Maybe one day we can all get together and companies too, and we can "FIX" our patenting system!
I hope that the government starts reading stuff like this and puts a stop to corporate bullying, mainly because the companies might or might not be the ones who suffer, in the end, its us, the consumers for sure who will always suffer from corporations going at it, may it be higher prices, banned products, failing products from reverting to the second best for what could have been, etc... ... idk...
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All I can say is I am hoping like everyone else that stuff like product banns go away and the products are here to stay!
(Jeesh I sound like a rhyming metaphor...lol) :P
And, I will help how I can if ever comes a time when people/companies start banning together to fix the problems with the system!
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I got as far as Florian Muller..... The guy is a troll.
I don't think this is a "dream" for M$ - they make more money off HTC royalties than their own devices.
Windows phone has never stood on it's own two legs.
With HTC gone it will improve Apple's position - not that of Microsoft.
Florian is very anti-Android and all of his nonsense has been debunked time and time again yet people still link his articles and ask his opinion because he gets them ad revenue.
Apple has just suffered a setback in China as the Intermediate People’s Court in Shenzhen rejected its lawsuit regarding the iPad naming rights. Apple was suing the local Proview Technology for infringing its iPad trademark, but the outcome wasn’t in its favor.
According to the court order, Apple cannot use the iPad name in China, which might turn out to be quite a big deal as the company is aiming for a rapid expansion in the Chinese market. To make matters worse, Proview Technology, which registered the iPad trademark in 2000, is now suing the Cupertino-based electronics giant, seeking 10 billion Chinese yuan ($1.5 billion) in compensation.
well... i guess the save bet would be to get a Samsung... wait apple is suing them too. OH.. i think Moto is still safe.
or better yet.. get an iphone.
seriously.. are you going to let a apple dictate your right to get what you want? make them feel your power and let your money tell them to ***** themselves
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well... i guess the save bet would be to get a Samsung... wait apple is suing them too. OH.. i think Moto is still safe.
or better yet.. get an iphone.
seriously.. are you going to let a apple dictate your right to get what you want? make them feel your power and let your money tell them to ***** themselves
i mean will i still be able to replace it? and we wont have to switch OS right? sorry im new to all of this
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Bans happen, bans get appealed, it gets fought in court for yrs. What will happen is htc will make mild changes aka upgrades and will skert any ban. Life will go on and in the end its a silly patent battle where the lawyers are the clear winners. Now to clarify silly is a patent over an idea that has been done multiple times in different ways but is being pushed as an end all for all ways to the same result
well.. if .. if.. and more ifs... will drive you crazy.
android aint going anywhere ..anytime soon.
worst case ....
HTC is banned and goes out of business.
Verizon is still trucking along.. and they sold you the phone with a 1 yr warranty.
if you have issues with a htc phone.. i am 99% sure V will give you another htc phone that is instock or phone of equal spec from a different OEM.
so.. unless both htc and Verizon go under... but if that happens because of these apple tactics.. then there is much more to worry about.
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well.. if .. if.. and more ifs... will drive you crazy.
android aint going anywhere ..anytime soon.
worst case ....
HTC is banned and goes out of business.
Verizon is still trucking along.. and they sold you the phone with a 1 yr warranty.
if you have issues with a htc phone.. i am 99% sure V will give you another htc phone that is instock or phone of equal spec from a different OEM.
so.. unless both htc and Verizon go under... but if that happens because of these apple tactics.. then there is much more to worry about.
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HTC is a big player so I cant see it going down also I cant imagine mighty Google allowing its partners to be picked off. What I don't understand sitting on this side of the pond is why US legislators are not concerned about competition laws. If the only smart system available was Apple can you imagine what they would be charging. Outside of the US Apple products are way overpriced for what they are hence the reason I looked to Android when I moved away from Symbian. The other interesting thing to note is that I have a friend who is just completing his doctorate in information technology. He takes the view that the future is Android. If this is going to be the case then you are going to need a range of manufactures.
Bans happen, bans get appealed, it gets fought in court for yrs. What will happen is htc will make mild changes aka upgrades and will skert any ban. Life will go on and in the end its a silly patent battle where the lawyers are the clear winners. Now to clarify silly is a patent over an idea that has been done multiple times in different ways but is being pushed as an end all for all ways to the same result
Yeah, I think that ^ pretty much nails it. Litigation such as this has experts on both sides, biffing it out over semantics, precedents and out-of-court settlement issues.
Is there a cell phone manufacturer out there that used to exist and/or do business in the U.S. but now does not because of a court battle?
HTC could be banned in the US
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