Well the Galaxy S is indeed almost over 18months, and the manufacturers and Google have agreements for updates to last officially at least 18months. It was released officially June 2010, and if you know how to count (unlike the author of that blog), its already past 18months. The Galaxy S2 already was confirmed for update by Samsung itself, so that's no biggie. Just buy a phone every two years and you're always sure to get an update.
However Samsung's claim that S1's hardware is not powerful enough to run ICS+Tw may be a problem for the lower end phones. However I don't see not getting ICS as a turn off.
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Another thing, it doesn't matter how many updates the Galaxy S got, the agreement was 18months, and the Galaxy S was running the latest update available within those 18months. If we could check dates, ICS was released for update at over 18months after the SGS1, so Samsung has no more obligation, agreement to Google honored, and anybody who is disappointed can suck it and root their phones or buy a new one. Some people tend to think that the stuff they buy now will last them forever, which they don't. If we're talking top of the line stuff, phones get outdated by around 2 years after bought, laptops by 5 years, and PC's in around 5 years too.
how many updates of android did the Galaxy S get? it was released with Froyo.. and then got GB.. right? so 1 upgarde?
that sucks!!! samsung!!! you can do better!!!
epic got 2 updates...
what if the EVO 3D with lower hardware.. with the heavy memory hog Sense.. get an update to ICS with the new Sense!
It was released with Eclair, it's had quite a few updates but most have minor changes.
Samsung might change their mind but they have to stop updating them at some point, I'm quite happy for them to stop updating the Galaxy S, they need to focus on the Galaxy S II and upcoming Galaxy S III.
Also Galaxy S was released June 2010, Evo 3D was released July 2011. Compare the Galaxy S to phones released around that peroid like the HTC Desire. Will the HTC Desire be getting ICS?
Last edited by Shocky; December 24th, 2011 at 04:44 AM.
Samsung want you to see your phone as a disposable comodity, because they're all about rapid product cycling and staying at the leading edge of the market.
One function of rushing to be first to market is releasing immature product.
And all their resources are focused on developing new product rather than refining and updating existing and older lines.
I've tried with Samsung (with one of their top-end Symbian phones and the SGS2 which I'm now flogging) - but their ergonomics, build quality and general user experience are not for the discerning.
It's fine for those who seek neither refinement nor taste - but for my money, they're just box-tickers rather than serious device-makers.
I'll NEVER buy another Samsung device for as long as they continue to ship out the cheesy tat they do.
I'll NEVER buy another Samsung device for as long as they continue to ship out the cheesy tat they do.
Cheesy tat which has sold more than 30 million and won multiple awards, yes clearly Samsung are doing something wrong here.
It's a testament to Samsung that the Galaxy S is still even compared to phones released this year, you can moan about them all you want but the Galaxy S has outlasted everything released around the same period and you call it tat? Please, who do you think you’re kidding?
Cheesy tat which has sold more than 30 million and won multiple awards, yes clearly Samsung are doing something wrong here.
It's a testament to Samsung that the Galaxy S is still even compared to phones released this year, you can moan about them all you want but the Galaxy S has outlasted everything released around the same period and you call it tat? Please, who do you think you’re kidding?
Not trying to kid anyone.
It's a fact that next to HTC, Sony, Apple (indeed, most other manuf.s) Samsung just make cheesy tat.
I'd have thought it was pretty simple : - if you can't bear to hear such observations, just buy another brand.
Not trying to kid anyone.
It's a fact that next to HTC, Sony, Apple (indeed, most other manuf.s) Samsung just make cheesy tat.
I'd have thought it was pretty simple : - if you can't bear to hear such observations, just buy another brand.
No, it's your opinion which isnt really worth much.
No, it's your opinion which isnt really worth much.
Well, judging by your evident indignation, it clearly matters to you.
Or is it the implication that in buying their tat, you may be a little short on discernment ?
Not trying to kid anyone.
It's a fact that next to HTC, Sony, Apple (indeed, most other manuf.s) Samsung just make cheesy tat.
I'd have thought it was pretty simple : - if you can't bear to hear such observations, just buy another brand.
Cheesy tat? When the SGS2 by and large has the best hardware combination on any device to date? Except perhaps the Galaxy Note, but hey that's Samsung too. The only thing that can come closest to rival it that's not Samsung is the Sensation XE in terms of pure computing power, but HTC Sense is even a bigger hog on resources than TouchWiz is.
Cheesy tat? When the SGS2 by and large has the best hardware combination on any device to date? Except perhaps the Galaxy Note, but hey that's Samsung too. The only thing that can come closest to rival it that's not Samsung is the Sensation XE in terms of pure computing power, but HTC Sense is even a bigger hog on resources than TouchWiz is.
I don't understand what can they be doing wrong?
SGS2 screen : appalling
SGS2 buttoning : crud
Touchwiz : crap
Video performance next to others : - unsmooth
Industrial design : what industrial design ?
Now, you either don't see any of that ... or you do, but it doesn't matter to you.
Either way, the fact that it doesn't matter, more or less illustrates my point.
SGS2 appalling? Whatever do you mean? I love the AMOLED screen, better than any LCD screen HTC has to offer IMO. I don't see what you don't like about it.
Buttoning? There's 3 buttons at the button instead of four, so, big deal?
Touchwiz - for the record, I've played around with a Desire S, and well, I prefer TW over Sense.
Industrial design - what? It looks simple enough
Basically everything you mentioned does not make SGS2 or anything Samsung makes as bad, instead they just go against your preferences. Seems like the perfect device for you would be an SGS2 (killer internal hardware) running and HTC Sense ROM. LOL.
In analogy, its like you're saying Mexican food is crap because its spicy and you hate spicy food, while others can't understand when they find spicy food to their liking.
SGS2 screen : appalling
SGS2 buttoning : crud
Touchwiz : crap
Video performance next to others : - unsmooth
Industrial design : what industrial design ?
Now, you either don't see any of that ... or you do, but it doesn't matter to you.
Either way, the fact that it doesn't matter, more or less illustrates my point.
Screen is one of the best available, only really bettered by the screen on the Galaxy Nexus which is also made by Samsung, OLED screens have infinite contrast and near perfect viewing angles.
What’s wrong with the buttons?
Touchwiz 4 is one of the best interfaces available; due to hardware acceleration is one of smoothest and due the hardware the fastest.
As for video playback, now you've just lost whatever credibility you had which wasn’t very much, the Galaxy S range and Galaxy Note have the best stock video players on any android devices and support many more formats, no other phones close here.
Last edited by Shocky; December 24th, 2011 at 09:15 AM.
To add to Shocky, I almost forgot, most anyone can tell you that Stock Player vs Stock Player alone among manufacturers, the Samsung Player has the most compatible formats.
Screen is one of the best available, only really bettered by the screen on the Galaxy Nexus which is also made by Samsung, OLED screens have infinite contrast and near perfect viewing angles.
What’s wrong with the buttons?
Touchwiz 4 is one of the best interfaces available; due to hardware acceleration is one of smoothest and due the hardware the fastest.
As for video playback, now you've just lost whatever credibility you had which wasn’t very much, the Galaxy S range and Galaxy Note have the best stock video players on any android devices and support many more formats, no other phones close here.
Ad hominem attacks undermine your own credibility.
SGS2 appalling? Whatever do you mean? I love the AMOLED screen, better than any LCD screen HTC has to offer IMO. I don't see what you don't like about it.
Buttoning? There's 3 buttons at the button instead of four, so, big deal?
Touchwiz - for the record, I've played around with a Desire S, and well, I prefer TW over Sense.
Industrial design - what? It looks simple enough
Basically everything you mentioned does not make SGS2 or anything Samsung makes as bad, instead they just go against your preferences. Seems like the perfect device for you would be an SGS2 (killer internal hardware) running and HTC Sense ROM. LOL.
In analogy, its like you're saying Mexican food is crap because its spicy and you hate spicy food, while others can't understand when they find spicy food to their liking.
You've clearly bought into all the hype - not consciously, but because your discernment threshold is too high to allow you to see any difference ... much less to bother you in any way.
No offence intended, but it always was and always will be the case that the undiscerning are easily pleased.
Ad hominem attacks undermine your own credibility.
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You've clearly bought into all the hype - not consciously, but because your discernment threshold is too high to allow you to see any difference ... much less to bother you in any way.
You've clearly bought into all the hype - not consciously, but because your discernment threshold is too high to allow you to see any difference ... much less to bother you in any way.
No offence intended, but it always was and always will be the case that the undiscerning are easily pleased.
How can it be hype when I already handled both a Sensation and the Galaxy S2?
1. The S2 screen is better. Period. Its brighter, the colors and contrast are better.
2. Buttons. As I've owned Samsung phones, I'm accustomed to the three button layout. I still dont see whats wrong with it.
3. I tend to not really care about how the phone looks. If that was important I would have went for the Nokia Lumia, or an E7. They look better IMO than any existing Android phone.
Again, you sound like someone who has a needless hate on Samsung, and yet cannot even provide a decent argument on how can the SGS2 be bad. Even HTC are trying to get SuperAMOLED screens for their phones because its better than any LCD screen, but they are unable to since Samsung is the main manufacturer of such screens, and HTC is always unable to acquire enough screens to justify making a phone model with that. There was a debacle early on with the original Desire which they seem to not want to repeat.
It seems you keep on saying we can't tell any difference, but yes we can, we can tell how easily the SGS2 is better than other phones, which you wont accept for some weird Samsung hate. Pardon me, but since you aren't able to give any concrete reason as to why the SGS2 is bad while we give concrete reasons as to why its so good, and based on experience of handling it as well, you sound like a generic hater who just hates for no reason. You just keep on saying that its bad for no reason whatsoever apart from it goes against your personal preferences.
I believe for the sake of argument, it really is user preference.
I haven't owned a Samsung android phone yet, so I won't bother to try to give an opinion.
Now I do own an EVO 4G which will never see another update, and I'm not bothered a bit by this. It has reached the end of life status and rightly so, it's getting old. No company can be expected to provide updates for every phone it produces indefinately, they'd go bankrupt!
Once again it all boils down to personal preference, arguing if Samsung phones are crap is a moot point. Opinion arguments can never be won by either party.
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I have the Samsung Epic and I am perfectly happy with it running Gingerbread. It does everything I need / expect it to, just like my Evo 4G running GB.
It would be nice if it was upgraded to ICS, but the fact it is not does not make it a huge disappointment.
By this time next year I will have the latest and greatest Android device. I will keep the Epic as a back up phone because it is still an awesome device.
By the way, this is not a unique issue with Android. The iphone 4 does not have Siri, officially. It has been hacked to work with Siri by developers, which proves that iPhone 4 could have easily have had Siri capabilities. Why did Apple not update iPhone 4 with the much vaunted feature? I would be more upset if I was an iPhone 4 owner.
Another thing, it doesn't matter how many updates the Galaxy S got, the agreement was 18months, and the Galaxy S was running the latest update available within those 18months. If we could check dates, ICS was released for update at over 18months after the SGS1, so Samsung has no more obligation, agreement to Google honored, and anybody who is disappointed can suck it and root their phones or buy a new one. Some people tend to think that the stuff they buy now will last them forever, which they don't. If we're talking top of the line stuff, phones get outdated by around 2 years after bought, laptops by 5 years, and PC's in around 5 years too.
That's certainly one way to look at it. Another might be that the Samsung Galaxy S Captivate was released in Canada on Rogers in October 2010 which makes it only 14 months old. Anyone who purchased it at that time would have almost certainly signed a 36 month contract. Those individuals would not be eligible for a hardware upgrade now yet the device they purchased is now no longer supported for software updates. Contrast this with the iPhone 3GS which was released in June 2009 yet still runs iOS 5.0.1 (the latest). To rub even more salt in the wound, the Nexus S has already been updated to ICS and the Nexus S is pretty much the same hardware as the Galaxy S.
To me, that makes this situation one of Android's biggest issues.
For those of you mentioning the Galaxy S2, if we extend this pattern it would mean that anyone getting a Galaxy S2 LTE on Rogers right now can only expect updates for about another 11 months (Nov. 1, 2012 since the Galaxy S2 was officially released May 1, 2011). This despite the fact that it was only available on Rogers in Nov 2011 and any existing customer getting it will be shelling out at least $235 plus taxes and committing to another 36 month contract starting now.
Last edited by jaydee77ca; December 24th, 2011 at 11:23 PM.
That's certainly one way to look at it. Another might be that the Samsung Galaxy S Captivate was released in Canada on Rogers in October 2010 which makes it only 14 months old. Anyone who purchased it at that time would have almost certainly signed a 36 month contract. Those individuals would not be eligible for a hardware upgrade now yet the device they purchased is now no longer supported for software updates. Contrast this with the iPhone 3GS which was released in June 2009 yet still runs iOS 5.0.1 (the latest). To rub even more salt in the wound, the Nexus S has already been updated to ICS and the Nexus S is pretty much the same hardware as the Galaxy S.
To me, that makes this situation one of Android's biggest issues.
For those of you mentioning the Galaxy S2, if we extend this pattern it would mean that anyone getting a Galaxy S2 LTE on Rogers right now can only expect updates for about another 11 months (Nov. 1, 2012 since the Galaxy S2 was officially released May 1, 2011). This despite the fact that it was only available on Rogers in Nov 2011 and any existing customer getting it will be shelling out at least $235 plus taxes and committing to another 36 month contract starting now.
You should also note the reports from several Nexus S users. ICS made their phones a bit unstable and slow, making it seem that Nexus S has barely the minimum hardware needed for ICS. Sine Nexus S and Galaxy S has near identical hardware, I'd rather not get ICS if that's the case and just save up for a new phone.
Also I don't think we can follow the 11 month thing you are saying, as the problem hear appears to be hardware limitation and not something that Samsung just doesn't want to do. If I was working for Samsung and I have tested that ICS will just be detrimental to the overall smoothness and experience of using an SGS1 due to the limitations on the hardware, well I would also say to just forego an official update.
Plus people can just root and wait for CM9 for SGS1 if they really want ICS despite the risks which Samsung did not want to make.
Samsung Galaxy S phones won't have latest Android update
