Go Back   Android Forums > Android Discussion > Android Lounge
Android Lounge A place for general Android discussion and questions.

Find everything you need for the Galaxy S5 and discuss it in our S5 forum!
Have you seen that OnePlus One's awesome camera?? The forum is over here!

test: Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old February 11th, 2012, 08:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
New Member
Thread Author (OP)
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 10
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 7
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Laugh Noob seeking advice from experts :D

ok 1st of hello im new to the site ~ 2nd i want to buy a new android phone, i did some research and specs and features / price for the phones i liked and the 2 that fit perfectly are

Samsung Galaxy W and Sony Ericsson Xperia Play

the samsung galaxy w has an advantage cause of cpu and network speeds but im also a gamer and wants to have of course games on my phone so i just need advice, on which phone can do more app wise and will be more useful / more reliable (hate to break a 1st smartphone)

shadowhog666 is offline  
Reply With Quote
sponsored links
Old February 11th, 2012, 09:00 AM   #2 (permalink)
=Luceat Lux Vestra=
 
Frisco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,492
 
Device(s): HTC One, Galaxy Tab 7" 2 Rooted
Carrier: Verizon

Thanks: 7,156
Thanked 9,262 Times in 5,117 Posts
Default

Hello and welcome to the forums, shadowhog.

Xperia? PLAY - Specification - PhonePortfolio - Products - Corporate - Sony Ericsson shows us the specs, memory etc of the Xperia, and

Samsung Galaxy W I8150 - Full phone specifications the W.

A gamer would want to be mindful of memory, RAM as well as ROM, and of course cpu speed.

A high grade, large capacity SD card would also be helpful.
__________________



Frisco is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Frisco For This Useful Post:
lunatic59 (February 11th, 2012)
Old February 11th, 2012, 09:30 AM   #3 (permalink)
Moderati ergo sum
 
lunatic59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 23,727
 
Device(s): Nexus 4, Galaxy S II, Captivate, Nexus 1 (retired), Nook Color, Asus Transformer.
Carrier: AT&T

Thanks: 7,582
Thanked 12,259 Times in 6,738 Posts
Default

To add a little to Frisco's excellent observation, you might also want to consider the memory configuration. Unless you've had an Android device before you wouldn't realize this but more memory might be more limiting ... and get read for the long winded complex explanation.

The Xperia Play has 1 GB of ram and the Galaxy W has 4 GB. This is internal memory. Because the Xperia has only a 1 GB of internal memory, it is all used for the system. Expansion must be done via an external MicroSD card, up to 32 GB. The Galaxy W has 4 times the memory built in, which on the surface would make one think it's 4x better. Au contraire, mon frère. You see, it's how that memory is configured.

Newer phones and tablets that include large amounts (by current mobile standards) Like the Galaxy W partition them so that you don't have a huge amount of system memory that wouldn't be accessible for file storage. On the Galaxy W Samsung has a 2 GB partition for the system and the remaining 2 GB partitioned and recognized as an sd card by making its mount point /sdcard.

Therein lies the problem. The path to external storage within Android is /sdcard so apps and files that are installed to external storage will be there, which is the internal sd partition, not the removable sd card.

If you have an internal sd card partition, then that will always be the default location for files, apps and data to be stored as defined by the mount point /sdcard. If the phone has no sd card partition, then an external sd card will mount at /sdcard when inserted.

So, in your scenario, especially with games that require a good deal of storage for ancillary files for graphics and data that are stored on the "sd card" (the file location /sdcard), you can find yourself limited by that 2 GB (actually 1.7 GB usable space) partition on the SD card partition even if you have a 32 GB card inserted in the phone, where on the Xperia, you will be able to make use of the full 32 GB of space on an external card.

Now, if your head hasn't exploded yet, you should also be aware that internal memory is generally more reliable than an SD card. There have been incidents where sd card randomly fail losing all the data on it. So, if you keep important data on your phone's SD card, it's very important that you maintain regular backups. Id also recommend you use a class 6 (minimum) or class 10 (better) MicroSD card from a BRAND NAME supplier. There have also been some counterfeit SD cards floating about on eBay and other retail channels that have causes users nothing but grief.
__________________
_
If the information is useful, Like the post, if the person was helpful, Thank the member.
RULES: Lest we forget | This part of signature intentionally left blank.
_________________________________________________

No Ivory-Billed Woodpeckers were harmed in the composition of this message.
lunatic59 is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to lunatic59 For This Useful Post:
Frisco (February 11th, 2012), shadowhog666 (February 12th, 2012)
Old February 11th, 2012, 09:35 AM   #4 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 61
 
Device(s): Sony Ericsson Xperia Play
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 5
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Send a message via Skype™ to talhaismail
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowhog666 View Post
ok 1st of hello im new to the site ~ 2nd i want to buy a new android phone, i did some research and specs and features / price for the phones i liked and the 2 that fit perfectly are

Samsung Galaxy W and Sony Ericsson Xperia Play

the samsung galaxy w has an advantage cause of cpu and network speeds but im also a gamer and wants to have of course games on my phone so i just need advice, on which phone can do more app wise and will be more useful / more reliable (hate to break a 1st smartphone)
i have an xperia play, go for it, pretty fast epic gaming phone
talhaismail is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old February 11th, 2012, 09:36 AM   #5 (permalink)
=Luceat Lux Vestra=
 
Frisco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,492
 
Device(s): HTC One, Galaxy Tab 7" 2 Rooted
Carrier: Verizon

Thanks: 7,156
Thanked 9,262 Times in 5,117 Posts
Thumbs up

First Class stuff there, Luna.

The OP will now have quite the tools to make an informed decision.
Frisco is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Frisco For This Useful Post:
shadowhog666 (February 12th, 2012)
Old February 11th, 2012, 09:37 AM   #6 (permalink)
Moderati ergo sum
 
lunatic59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 23,727
 
Device(s): Nexus 4, Galaxy S II, Captivate, Nexus 1 (retired), Nook Color, Asus Transformer.
Carrier: AT&T

Thanks: 7,582
Thanked 12,259 Times in 6,738 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frisco View Post
First Class stuff there, Luna.

The OP will now have quite the tools to make an informed decision.
Or a really bad headache
lunatic59 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old February 11th, 2012, 09:38 AM   #7 (permalink)
Moderati ergo sum
 
lunatic59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 23,727
 
Device(s): Nexus 4, Galaxy S II, Captivate, Nexus 1 (retired), Nook Color, Asus Transformer.
Carrier: AT&T

Thanks: 7,582
Thanked 12,259 Times in 6,738 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by talhaismail View Post
i have an xperia play, go for it, pretty fast epic gaming phone
That would have been my recommendation as well ... with a class 10 32 GM MicroSD card.
lunatic59 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old February 12th, 2012, 02:01 AM   #8 (permalink)
New Member
Thread Author (OP)
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 10
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 7
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lunatic59 View Post
To add a little to Frisco's excellent observation, you might also want to consider the memory configuration. Unless you've had an Android device before you wouldn't realize this but more memory might be more limiting ... and get read for the long winded complex explanation.

The Xperia Play has 1 GB of ram and the Galaxy W has 4 GB. This is internal memory. Because the Xperia has only a 1 GB of internal memory, it is all used for the system. Expansion must be done via an external MicroSD card, up to 32 GB. The Galaxy W has 4 times the memory built in, which on the surface would make one think it's 4x better. Au contraire, mon frère. You see, it's how that memory is configured.

Newer phones and tablets that include large amounts (by current mobile standards) Like the Galaxy W partition them so that you don't have a huge amount of system memory that wouldn't be accessible for file storage. On the Galaxy W Samsung has a 2 GB partition for the system and the remaining 2 GB partitioned and recognized as an sd card by making its mount point /sdcard.

Therein lies the problem. The path to external storage within Android is /sdcard so apps and files that are installed to external storage will be there, which is the internal sd partition, not the removable sd card.

If you have an internal sd card partition, then that will always be the default location for files, apps and data to be stored as defined by the mount point /sdcard. If the phone has no sd card partition, then an external sd card will mount at /sdcard when inserted.

So, in your scenario, especially with games that require a good deal of storage for ancillary files for graphics and data that are stored on the "sd card" (the file location /sdcard), you can find yourself limited by that 2 GB (actually 1.7 GB usable space) partition on the SD card partition even if you have a 32 GB card inserted in the phone, where on the Xperia, you will be able to make use of the full 32 GB of space on an external card.

Now, if your head hasn't exploded yet, you should also be aware that internal memory is generally more reliable than an SD card. There have been incidents where sd card randomly fail losing all the data on it. So, if you keep important data on your phone's SD card, it's very important that you maintain regular backups. Id also recommend you use a class 6 (minimum) or class 10 (better) MicroSD card from a BRAND NAME supplier. There have also been some counterfeit SD cards floating about on eBay and other retail channels that have causes users nothing but grief.
w0w~

~sir Frisco tnx for the tech specs. i would also provide the link for specs but 1st time members have a limit on linking ~ tnx again

hmm, . . . . i get it (for most of the parts) ~ but sir lunatic in their specifications they both have a 512mb Ram~ and the internal memory of Xperia play is 400mb only,

so which one should i go for with the two??

i considered xperia play too but the battery life some says that it really depletes the battery when playing games and im kinda worried that the slide will snap and break instantly ~

i some what understood the concept of the main points and how it works but what i don't understand is where did the 1GB and 4GB ram came
shadowhog666 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old February 12th, 2012, 03:55 AM   #9 (permalink)
Moderati ergo sum
 
lunatic59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 23,727
 
Device(s): Nexus 4, Galaxy S II, Captivate, Nexus 1 (retired), Nook Color, Asus Transformer.
Carrier: AT&T

Thanks: 7,582
Thanked 12,259 Times in 6,738 Posts
Default

It is confusing. The total RAM in the specs is an incomplete picture. The two areas you need to be concerned with as the system partition and user storage. That 1 GB on the Xperia is for the system even though if only shows 512 mb.
lunatic59 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old February 12th, 2012, 04:48 AM   #10 (permalink)
New Member
Thread Author (OP)
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 10
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 7
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

i see~ well overall your answer which is overall best?
shadowhog666 is offline  
Reply With Quote
sponsored links
Old February 12th, 2012, 06:58 AM   #11 (permalink)
Moderati ergo sum
 
lunatic59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 23,727
 
Device(s): Nexus 4, Galaxy S II, Captivate, Nexus 1 (retired), Nook Color, Asus Transformer.
Carrier: AT&T

Thanks: 7,582
Thanked 12,259 Times in 6,738 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowhog666 View Post
i see~ well overall your answer which is overall best?
The question is which is overall best for you. Based on spec's alone you have an incomplete picture. Even with some knowledge and experience there are the intangibles of how it 'feels'. I've passed up technically (on specs) devices for other models simply because i didn't like the feel of it in my hand. Since all of its use will be in my hand, i want something i like holding.

Both of your choices will most likely do what you want. I would do two more things before you commit. First go to a store and hold each in your hand and see how they feel. Second, put a list of games that you definitely want and go to the individual device forums and ask the members there if those games play well or if there are problems.

Now, i am not a big fan of taking advantage of retailers, but many offer a return policy with these, so theoretically you could pick up both and return the one you decide against.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
lunatic59 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Reply
Tags
galaxy, play, xperia


Go Back   Android Forums > Android Discussion > Android Lounge
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:25 AM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.