Anyone been paying attention to the Windows Phone 7 lately?
All the writers are busy writing about apple, HTC and google, but there isn't any love for the Windows 7 phone. Whatcha all think of it? How does it compare to android?
I think it looks pretty neat actually, though I don't think I'll be giving up my n1 for it.
It's MS. I don't trust them in their personal electronics efforts. They've screwed both their customers as well as their hardware partners too many times.
It's MS. I don't trust them in their personal electronics efforts. They've screwed both their customers as well as their hardware partners too many times.
How exactly have they " screwed " anyone? Spewing false propaganda makes you look foolish.
To the op, winmo7 looks very promising. As a former winmo user, no platform can match its functionality. if they tied that functionality into the new ui, it will indeed be a heavywieght contender. The microsoft bashers are like sprint bashers are like apple fanboys. They have zero factual basis, they like to follow internet/fashion trends, and despite factual evidence they will swear up and down on an inferior product. Lemmings is the term I believe.
Your best bet is to do some real research. Fire up google, bing, or your favorite search engine. Try to look for FACTS. There is a lot of misinformation on the web like the above post, so making sense of these things can be rough. No one will really know how winmo7 will be like until it is released.
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I had a look at the flash demo on the MS site, the UI looks quite interesting, I had a WinMo5 device (MDA Vario) and quite liked it, but the lure of a free handset upgrade to a nokia n95 dragged me away. I've always liked the MS products to be honest, they work, they are reliable, but they are a tad expensive.
I must admit though, I do prefer the Android platform on a mobile device at the moment.
I'm also due an upgrade well before the WinMo7 is released so it had better be good if it is to even try and lure me away from an HTC Desire.
It looks interesting, but I dunno, WinPhone7 will be a step back in terms of customization and complexity (hardcoded UI, no multi-tasking) and I don't use any Microsoft-owned services (hotmail, xbox live) at all apart from MSN messenger, and even then many people I talk to are on Google Talk. So in terms of integration, as someone who prefers Google services, Android still has the edge. A big edge.
We will see, I suppose, but I'm so content with my N1 that lately nothing being released or upcoming has excited me even a little. Comes from the security of knowing you have the best already and all that. (Yes, yes, it'll be outdated when 1.5 GHz Snapdragons/dual-core phones are coming out, but... that'll be many months away yet.)
I agree with some points garinysand said. Especially about locking down the phone. Based on comments that the MS dev gave in the Engadget interview, it seems like they want it locked down for a smooth user experience. They also state this same philosophy when talking about "strict hardware requirements". I think this may lead to a great (but not as capable) device for the mainstream that may not be comfortable with Android.
I'm not a Microsoft hater (I LOVE Windows 7)...But for someone who wants an easy to use phone that also does many things that Winmo7 can not (or will not), then Android wins hands down.
I agree with some points garinysand said. Especially about locking down the phone. Based on comments that the MS dev gave in the Engadget interview, it seems like they want it locked down for a smooth user experience.
Ala closer to the iPhone business model, which I for one don't dig at all. The strict hardware requirements might be good, though, to prevent fragmentation--but as we've all seen, this leaves current WinMo users high and dry. Hello, HTC HD2 seeing an official upgrade to WinPhone7 never (despite fulfilling the hardware requirements, barring the five buttons).
I do enjoy Win7 a lot on my PC, however, but that's a different animal.
How exactly have they " screwed " anyone? Spewing false propaganda makes you look foolish.
To the op, winmo7 looks very promising. As a former winmo user, no platform can match its functionality. if they tied that functionality into the new ui, it will indeed be a heavywieght contender. The microsoft bashers are like sprint bashers are like apple fanboys. They have zero factual basis, they like to follow internet/fashion trends, and despite factual evidence they will swear up and down on an inferior product. Lemmings is the term I believe.
Actually, I bash all the tech companies where they deserve it, and give them kudos where they deserve that. And definitely no Apple fanboy.
Since you asked:
1. MS created a music player platform a number of years ago which they licensed to a number of hardware manufacturers (can't remember what it was called) only to revoke the entire system a year or two later so they could release their own device and platform (Zune). This screwed their 'partners' because it killed the underlying service for selling music on the platform, and screwed the customers as their devices no longer had the software service they had bought into.
2. MS is also not supporting Windows Mobile 6.1 with the upcoming Office Mobile 2010 (unless they've re-neged on that, which I haven't heard). This leaves the most WinMo users (as WinMo 6.5 hasn't even been out a year, and to my knowledge there haven't been too many devices released using the OS) in the cold regarding the significant update. I realize you can't support an OS forever, but forcing the vast majority of your user base to upgrade their hardware (as no phones I know of can be upgraded to 6.5) to an OS that that's already obsolete (or an OS that won't be released for several months) isn't something I look kindly on.
3. And speaking of which, now we know that the HTC HD2 (one of the few WinMo 6.5 phones available) won't be upgradeable to Windows Phone 7.0, and not because of any real technical issues but because it has too many buttons.
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To my knowledge no one I've come across has really mentioned the above complaints together, or even all but the last anytime recently, so saying I'm just following internet trends in bashing MS without factual basis would be incorrect.
I really think Microsoft is taking one step forward and two steps back almost with what you guys have told me. The hardware requirements really bother me with this one. That could mean whoever gets to the keyboard first, sets the standard.
It's a smart idea, but if they begin to turn into Apple, well alot of people are gonna be pissed...i can tell you right now.
its windoze dont want the blue screen of death on my phone display. everything microsoft gets their hands on its screwed up. IE the toyota prius when they first came out microsoft wrote the program for the car. causing the car to just shut down while driving down the road.
its windoze dont want the blue screen of death on my phone display. everything microsoft gets their hands on its screwed up. IE the toyota prius when they first came out microsoft wrote the program for the car. causing the car to just shut down while driving down the road.
windows has more bugs than a baitshop.
Are you... kidding? Ask any Windows user and you'd be hard-pressed to find one who's seen the blue screen of death any time in the last... five years? Eight years? WinXP was highly stable. Win7 is better and, oh yeah, handles 64-bit better than Apple's piece of shit--sorry, Snow Leopard.
How exactly have they " screwed " anyone? Spewing false propaganda makes you look foolish.
Considering Windows was born by Bill Gates and the theft of apple... which was, in turn, the theft of xerox GUI operating systems, I would say his statement wasn't making him look foolish at all. Your statement, on the other hand...
Sorry. I just call 'em as I see 'em.
We won't even touch on the subject of the legal issues in the past decade.
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Are you... kidding? Ask any Windows user and you'd be hard-pressed to find one who's seen the blue screen of death any time in the last... five years? Eight years? WinXP was highly stable. Win7 is better and, oh yeah, handles 64-bit better than Apple's piece of shit--sorry, Snow Leopard.
You sound like Steve Jobs fondled you.
You musn't use your pc that much! When I got my laptop with Vista, it became so unusable Dell actually sent me a free copy of XP so I could actually use my laptop! I have also experienced bsod's in the past 1 year, 5 years and 8 years..
Anyway I'm not taking sides, just want those who are to use realistic arguments.
Actually I am taking sides, i LOVE MY ZUNE HD. The interface for a music player is second to none (and that goes for the desktop player too). The win 7 phone wont replace my android, but I'm hoping my company migrate to it when it comes out so i can get one on company expense.
Are you... kidding? Ask any Windows user and you'd be hard-pressed to find one who's seen the blue screen of death any time in the last... five years? Eight years? WinXP was highly stable. Win7 is better and, oh yeah, handles 64-bit better than Apple's piece of shit--sorry, Snow Leopard.
You sound like Steve Jobs fondled you.
Saw the blue screen of death on my xp the other day, though see you point its not as often as it use to be, though does happen.
I've never seen the prius "shut down" on the road. Any problems are toyotas fault.
nope wasnt toyota's fault. it was a softwear problem from microsoft. they even came out with a fix for toyota.
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Are you... kidding? Ask any Windows user and you'd be hard-pressed to find one who's seen the blue screen of death any time in the last... five years? Eight years? WinXP was highly stable. Win7 is better and, oh yeah, handles 64-bit better than Apple's piece of shit--sorry, Snow Leopard.
You sound like Steve Jobs fondled you.
guess you was in a coma during the whole vista fiasco.
nope don't like apple as there stuff is overpriced. I do have an ipod touch but still wish I never bought it. this was my first and last apple product I will ever buy.
nope wasnt toyota's fault. it was a softwear problem from microsoft. they even came out with a fix for toyota.
guess you was in a coma during the whole vista fiasco.
nope don't like apple as there stuff is overpriced. I do have an ipod touch but still wish I never bought it. this was my first and last apple product I will ever buy.
you sound like Bill Gates fondled you.
Still don't understand people's problem with vista. I've had vista 64-bit since it came out and have yet to have a problem with it that wasn't fixed in a few hours, nor have I had a bsod....Maybe I'm lucky.
You musn't use your pc that much! When I got my laptop with Vista, it became so unusable Dell actually sent me a free copy of XP so I could actually use my laptop! I have also experienced bsod's in the past 1 year, 5 years and 8 years..
Sorry, but I use my PC extensively. PCs, in fact, as I've got several: one at the office, one at home for gaming, which is a pretty machine-intensive activity. What with messing around with drivers updates and overclocking, I belong to one of the demographics most susceptible to getting the OS borked. What blue screen? Not seen one for a long, long time.
Vista sucked donkey dicks, but mostly it was a performance problem. Had it on a laptop, hated its guts, but no blue screen either.
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guess you was in a coma during the whole vista fiasco.
See above. Laggy and slow? Yes. Crashing all the time? No. I get that if you're tech-illiterate, using Windows can be difficult because it lets you tinker with the system files (much like rooted Android), but please.
Bill Gates? You must've been living under a rock, dear boy. It's Steve Ballmer. And funny, I'm not using a WinMo phone, so trying to call me a Microsoft fantard is pretty lulzy. Windows Mobile as it is now is a godawful piece of shit. Windows 7 is, however, fine. Deal.
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Considering Windows was born by Bill Gates and the theft of apple... which was, in turn, the theft of xerox GUI operating systems, I would say his statement wasn't making him look foolish at all. Your statement, on the other hand...
Sorry. I just call 'em as I see 'em.
We won't even touch on the subject of the legal issues in the past decade.
Actually no, Bill Gates and Stevie no-Wonder both saw the Xerox GUI at the same time, and they developed it at the same time. Apple just got it done first. Honestly, if Stevie boy was actually smart we would all be using Apple instead of Windows.
And WinMo bashers in general just don't know how to use the system. There is still no platform as POWERFUL as the WinMo line. Classic WinMo is not for everyone, in fact it is for the tech-orientated people who know who to figure things out. Granted the UI is indeed a bit dated, but they were focusing on business/power users vs. "Look Cool" phones.
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Sorry, but I use my PC extensively. PCs, in fact, as I've got several: one at the office, one at home for gaming, which is a pretty machine-intensive activity. What with messing around with drivers updates and overclocking, I belong to one of the demographics most susceptible to getting the OS borked. What blue screen? Not seen one for a long, long time.
Vista sucked donkey dicks, but mostly it was a performance problem. Had it on a laptop, hated its guts, but no blue screen either.
You're a lucky one then, I have a 2 desktops at home, 3 laptops and a desktop at work, so I also use PC's quite extensively, and I'll tell you that Windows isn't as stable as you make it out to be (but as i said before i'm excited by winmo 7, and do enjoy my x64 win 7)
No, really, I don't get it. Admittedly, I take some precautions with my machines (noscript, hosts file updated to blacklist ad/malware servers, one malware scanner and a MS Security Essentials). What do people do exactly to crash their OSes constantly and/or necessitate a reinstall?
Something as simple as installing a bad driver can bluescreen vista/xp. I do support, and I see blue screens all the time. Some are VERY difficult to correct (ie., boot up using disk utilities, etc. Find the directory of the bad file that caused the blue screen and manually delete (all in DOS). Much like you, I rarely get blue screens myself, but for the average user it is a frustrating and common occurrence.
Something as simple as installing a bad driver can bluescreen vista/xp. I do support, and I see blue screens all the time. Some are VERY difficult to correct (ie., boot up using disk utilities, etc. Find the directory of the bad file that caused the blue screen and manually delete (all in DOS). Much like you, I rarely get blue screens myself, but for the average user it is a frustrating and common occurrence.
That doesn't make it the os's fault though... just today I had to hunt down one of those task manger killer virus's on my gfs laptop
While I *kind of* agree, I also *kind of don't*. We are in a day and age where connecting a new device (and by extension, a driver), should not "break" windows to the point of a BSOD. I can understand a pop up window saying the device can not be installed (or something similar), but to bring the whole OS to a halt due to a driver doesn't seem right to me. Just my opinion though...
**EDIT** To be fair, I have yet to see a BSOD with Win7. Only Vista and prior. Not to say that it doesn't happen, but so far seems to be a much more rare occurrence.
Something as simple as installing a bad driver can bluescreen vista/xp. I do support, and I see blue screens all the time. Some are VERY difficult to correct (ie., boot up using disk utilities, etc. Find the directory of the bad file that caused the blue screen and manually delete (all in DOS). Much like you, I rarely get blue screens myself, but for the average user it is a frustrating and common occurrence.
The thing is that most of the time if you break Windows, it's due to user error. You browse like an idiot and click on links willy-nilly, so you get viruses/malware. You delete system files so it no longer boots up. You overclocked your GPU a bit too much so it overheated. It's like crying that Android is a terrible OS because you rooted, flashed a bad radio and now your device is bricked.
There's a reason I have such contempt for Mac users. They're most of the time tech-illiterate twits who don't know how to use a computer properly, so the only thing they can use is something locked down that doesn't let you tinker with either the OS or the hardware. Which is fine by me; let OS X become the home of idiots much like the iPhone. More geek cred and an excuse to be elitist for me.
At the risk of getting the troups up in arms, I also RARELY have issues with computers. I've run all manner of MS OS's and currently have Windows 7 at home. I don't do crazy things on it and treat it with respect. Since putting Windows 7 on the thing, I have had 0 issues with it. But then, even when I had Vista on it, I didn't have issues (although I really hated UAC). I still say Windows 7 is what Windows should have been all along (better late than never) and Windows Phone 7 will follow in its steps. I just wish I didn't have to wait until the end of the year to see it because it might really give my Android a run for its money. :-)
I'm definitely no fan of MS. Been trying to get away from them as much as possible for years (getting an X10 will help in that matter alot as I'll no longer need Outlook for syncing my phone contacts and calendar).
However, I'll give credit where it's due. I switched to Vista a little over a year ago, and have only once ever seen a BSOD or had the system lock up, and that was my fault. Vista is beautifully stable, and I hear Win7 is even better.
Last May my secondary HD (a 4 month old Seagate) kicked the bucket, taking all my non-backed-up personal files with it. I wasn't too happy.
Once I got the replacement, I decided to swap a few of my HDs around, and as part of that process re-installed Vista and all my software. Pretty much took me my whole birthday week (which I had taken off work).
As such, I'm sticking with Vista for now. I do plan to pick up Windows 7 when I next need/decide to re-install my OS, but I'm in no rush.
Ah, installing Win7 fresh (as opposed to an upgrade) is actually quite smooth! I did it myself not long ago to switch to x64 as you can't just upgrade with that (bawwww) and was surprised at how easy and quick it was.
Ah, installing Win7 fresh (as opposed to an upgrade) is actually quite smooth! I did it myself not long ago to switch to x64 as you can't just upgrade with that (bawwww) and was surprised at how easy and quick it was.
I know it'll go quickly, especially as I won't need to go through the process of the service packs and all the updates as with Vista (though last time I was smart and imaged my OS with all my software onto a spare HD). The slow part is installing all my software afterwards.
Anywho, back to the subject at hand:
With all the 'announcements' regarding WP7 this week, it looks even less appealing.
No multitasking.
No copy/paste (...uhh ...WTF ...didn't they learn from Apple).
No memory card support.
Apps only available through their app store.
I think there were a few others, but with all the Android and WP7 announcements I've forgotten.
Sounds like they're copying the iPhone formula (screw-ups and all) right down to the letter. Why not just buy an iPhone.
I would suggest a fresh install vs upgrading. It would take a lot more effort doing so, as you have to Back-up all your important files, formatting your HDD, Installing your new OS (In this case Win7). Installing the required drivers, restoring your backed-up files and documents then installing your programs/software. But at least you're not carrying any junk you don't need from the previous state. It's like an efficient way of spring cleaning your computer while you upgrade to Win7.
I personally hope these are false facts.. but no one knows. Bgr engagdet and the like are dead wrong quite often
Well, most of this info is quoted directly from MS at their own developer conference. It's not like these are rumors or comments by "unnamed MS sources". That's why I tend to believe them.
With that said, WP7 is 8 months away, and alot can change between now and then (especially on the software side where release features can be changed right up to the last minute).
Well, most of this info is quoted directly from MS at their own developer conference. It's not like these are rumors or comments by "unnamed MS sources". That's why I tend to believe them.
With that said, WP7 is 8 months away, and alot can change between now and then (especially on the software side where release features can be changed right up to the last minute).
Time will tell.
My thought is (trying to be logical) ms is trying to feel out john q. Public with these announcements. Hopefully they are getting the message. You know what would be a good idea? A toggle switch. To go inbetween full blown mt mode, and iphone simpleton mode. Best of both worlds, truely appealing to everyone.
That's what I figured too. Though the Copy/Paste decision is dumb any way you look at it.
A "simple mode" switch would be great. But in the end I don't see features like memory expansion and software downloads away from the app store as detracting from the ability of basic users to use the phone.
On something like Andoid, people can live off the Andoid Market without ever downloading and installing apps from 3rd parties, and can completely ignore the expansion card slot if the phone comes with a decent amount of onboard memory.
I hate consoles, and a closed system like the iPhone or what MS is proposing are essentially mobile consoles. With more and more dumbphones coming with the ability to install java apps and widgets, the iPhone looks more and more like one of them and less like a 'smartphone' to me. Unless things change, WP7 will be lumped into that boat too.
That's what I figured too. Though the Copy/Paste decision is dumb any way you look at it.
A "simple mode" switch would be great. But in the end I don't see features like memory expansion and software downloads away from the app store as detracting from the ability of basic users to use the phone.
On something like Andoid, people can live off the Andoid Market without ever downloading and installing apps from 3rd parties, and can completely ignore the expansion card slot if the phone comes with a decent amount of onboard memory.
I hate consoles, and a closed system like the iPhone or what MS is proposing are essentially mobile consoles. With more and more dumbphones coming with the ability to install java apps and widgets, the iPhone looks more and more like one of them and less like a 'smartphone' to me. Unless things change, WP7 will be lumped into that boat too.
Agreed. Expandable memory is a must for me though... and so are 3rd party apps. I really hope wm7 doesn't do this....
if there was one thing winmo had everyone beat at it was copy and paste. you could anywhere and paste anywhere. they need to improve on androids copy and paste.
Whats wrong / need to be improved on Android copy paste?
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if there was one thing winmo had everyone beat at it was copy and paste. you could anywhere and paste anywhere. they need to improve on androids copy and paste.
Anyone been paying attention to the Windows Phone 7 lately?
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