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Old April 24th, 2012, 12:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Non user Replaceable Battery: alarming trend

Is it a matter of worry that most phone makers now a days coming up with devices with no options for users to replace batteries. As if they are trying to keep the key of the Phone so that you need to contact them to open it up. Don't anybody find this alarming. Why no body is coming up with a class action lawsuit against this practice which prevents user to have full control over their phones for which they paid pretty good amount of money. Not only that, Users are also unable to change battery in case someone needs a higher capacity one and battery pull out resetting is also not possible.
I am really sad to say that Apple has initiated this trend and because of their insane success now other phone makers are following apple.

What is your opinion regarding this?
Do you support this trend or not? Can anyone come up with a poll on this?

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Most phone manufacturers have made it so that a combination of button presses will restart the phone in much the same way a battery pull does. (HTC=Power+volume up+volume down)

Personally, I'll live just fine with a non-removable battery. If I need to I can stretch 3+ days out of my HTC EVO with the stock battery. I can see how this would be an issue for power users who spend all day playing games though. I am with you that the choice should be left up to the user, but I'm not sure that's something that you can have a lawsuit over.

Vote with your dollars. Buy a phone with a removable battery.
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Old April 24th, 2012, 10:29 AM   #3 (permalink)
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For me it's not about battery life, it's about the lifetime of the battery. I wont buy a phone that I can't pop in a new battery when it wears out.
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For me it's not about battery life, it's about the lifetime of the battery. I wont buy a phone that I can't pop in a new battery when it wears out.
Never found this to be an issue even back when I was using dumbphones. By the time the batteries on my phones crapped out, I was ready to replace the phone. More often than not, it was harder to source batteries for my old phone and aftermarket replacements I've tried don't last as long as the originals.
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I've needed to replace the battery before I replaced the phone on almost every cellphone I've owned. Batteries lose full capacity after around 400-600 charges. If you plug in once a day that's somewhere around a year and a half. Not long enough.
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I have never needed to replace a cellphone battery.
It doesn't matter to me of the battery is removable or not.
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Doesn't bother me, at all. At the rate technology is moving these days, phones are obsolete in a couple of years, and cell phone contracts give us new, discounted phones every two years. That's well before a battery designed with current technology will give out.
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I think the idea of using a user non replaceable battery is something I cannot accept. Its just another way of keeping you restrained. Can't think any other device that doesn't give you this freedom except wristwatch, not to mention Apple devicesthat made keeping people in chain an Art.
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I think the idea of using a user non replaceable battery is something I cannot accept. Its just another way of keeping you restrained. Can't think any other device that doesn't give you this freedom except wristwatch, not to mention Apple devices that made keeping people in chain an Art.
The battery on my original Apple iPhone (4 yrs old) is still working fine up to now. Holds its charge pretty well. Far better than my mom's feature phone.

If having a non-user replaceable battery means I can go 7 days without charging instead of needing to charge my phone everyday, I'd be happy to switch.
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The battery on my original Apple iPhone (4 yrs old) is still working fine up to now. Holds its charge pretty well.
But how many cycles has it gone through? That's what matters.

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It doesn't. Removable or not has nothing to do with it. Power ratings do and they are what they are.
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The battery on my original Apple iPhone (4 yrs old) is still working fine up to now. Holds its charge pretty well. Far better than my mom's feature phone.

If having a non-user replaceable battery means I can go 7 days without charging instead of needing to charge my phone everyday, I'd be happy to switch.
Its refreshing to know there are people like me who uses a phone for more than two years. Thought this forum was full of rich people who changes phone every year so doesnt care much about non replaceable battery. Glad that i am proved wrong.

Congratulations for your four year old phone. That is a great achievement.

@ crash, what about people who uses their phone heavily for not gaming only but for intensive 3g data, emailing and calling. They need to recharge almost twice a day, hence after a year or so the battery might go EOL as well as the phone warranty.
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Its refreshing to know there are people like me who uses a phone for more than two years. Thought this forum was full of rich people who changes phone every year so doesnt care much about non replaceable battery. Glad that i am proved wrong.
Don't actively use it anymore. It's on pay-as-you-go prepaid service as a backup/emergency/car phone. Now you made me feel guilty about purchasing the Galaxy Nexus.
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A couple of things to keep in mind about "cycles," used in this context:

1. A battery that's gone through 400-600 charge cycles won't have the functionality that it did when brand new, but it won't be anywhere near dead, either. Most of them would probably still have 70-80% of their original capacity; they'd need to be plugged in a little more often than when new, but still be quite usable.

2. The term "cycle" refers to a full discharge and full recharge ... it's not every time you plug it in the charger. Most people won't fully discharge their phone every single day -- though given the crappy battery life of some Android phones, some people certainly will. :/
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It's not just this one point that is an issue to me, but the combination. First they had one year or 2 year contracts with $50 or $100 off for upgrade. Then it became a 2 year contract with $50 off. Then it became a 2 year contract with no additional money off. Now it is a 2 year contract where you pay $30 to upgrade. First it was unlimited data. Then it became throttled data after so much use. Then it became 2GB monthly allowance. Now it's batteries you can not replace. Soon, the grandfather clause will disappear.
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It's not just this one point that is an issue to me, but the combination. First they had one year or 2 year contracts with $50 or $100 off for upgrade. Then it became a 2 year contract with $50 off. Then it became a 2 year contract with no additional money off. Now it is a 2 year contract where you pay $30 to upgrade. First it was unlimited data. Then it became throttled data after so much use. Then it became 2GB monthly allowance. Now it's batteries you can not replace. Soon, the grandfather clause will disappear.
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As a former Apple iPhone user, I am used to not having a phone with a replaceable battery so I guess for that reason when I got the HTC One X, it really didn't bother me that it also doesn't have a replaceable battery. Having said that, I do think that it is silly of phone companies to follow suit and start producing phones without replaceable battery's. That was one thing about android phones that I felt was superior to iPhones. Not sure what they hope to achieve by changing to this way of thinking.
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Once I get a new phone, I plan to give my Atrix to my dad and he will give the (older) one to my little nephew. So that would means I expect my phone to go through at least 3 generations (6 years if noone loses it). For a non-removable battery, I doubt the battery will last that long.

Also, there are people that cannot afford to buy the newest, latest and greatest. If they want a smartphone, they might buy a used one that's a couple of years old. Having a removable battery means that if the battery has lost its capacity, they can change it for very cheap.
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It doesn't. Removable or not has nothing to do with it. Power ratings do and they are what they are.
Yes, it's the power ratings that matter but it's possible that a non-replaceable design would allow the use of higher capacity batteries than a replaceable design would. That's how ASUS first got 8-hour battery life on their netbooks. At the time, they also released a similar netbook with user-replaceable battery but only had 5-hours battery life. Besides, isn't this also the case with the Droid RAZR and Droid RAZR MAXX?
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Yes, it's the power ratings that matter but it's possible that a non-replaceable design would allow the use of higher capacity batteries than a replaceable design would. That's how ASUS first got 8-hour battery life on their netbooks. At the time, they also released a similar netbook with user-replaceable battery but only had 5-hours battery life. Besides, isn't this also the case with the Droid RAZR and Droid RAZR MAXX?
How can a user nonreplaceable battery will have more capacity than a user replaceable battery of same power? Is it technologically possible?
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@ rui no onna , no need to feel guilty. Where I live, all phones sold are unlocked thus a hefty price tag. Can't think of throwing away a 500 $ phone after just a year of use. I might be a little rich but a waste is always a waste. It is much more affordable to exchange a phone that comes with a 100 $ contract with many other facilities like free talk time, free internet etc. It hardly puts a dent in the wallet.
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Yes, it's the power ratings that matter but it's possible that a non-replaceable design would allow the use of higher capacity batteries than a replaceable design would.
In a given size device, yes. Not a good trade-off to me. Given equal power I'll take a slightly larger device with a replaceable battery every time.
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To this day it amazes me that vendors keep doing this. The HP Veer has no means to replace the battery. What were they thinking? I'm one year into the Samsung Charge and I need to replace the battery to get a full day out of it.
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The non-replaceable batteries can be larger (more capacity) because there's no need for the cage/carrier that holds them. The cage/carrier takes up a fair amount of space. Battery technology being what it is today, phone makers are trying to give customers what they want.....longer and longer battery life.

I want replaceable batteries, so I think a trade-off would be for manufacturers to make these devices such that a technician could replace these batteries. I've seen many devices that would be seriously damaged if a tech tried to replace the battery. That CAN be avoided by better design/manufacturing. But that also means devices could have a much longer life span....and the retailers don't want to let that to happen!!

Our current state of affairs is to sell throw-away devices to force more sales. Very sad, but true.
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In parts of the world where phones are sold unsubsidized, I can definitely see people wanting to extend the life of their devices, and thus choosing to opt for a replaceable battery ... and I think that if enough people continue to do that, companies will still make at least some phones with removable batteries.

In countries where phones are sold with a carrier subsidy (like the US), though, I can see removable batteries becoming rarer and rarer ... and in real-world terms I still don't think that's going to be too much of an issue. Definitely not speaking about anyone in this thread, at all (because I don't know where you're from), I've always thought that the complaints of "I can't affort a new smartphone" from US customers were a little disingenuous, at best, for a couple reasons:

1. Most companies have free or very low-cost smartphones available on contract. Not everyone needs to go for the top-of-the-line $300 Galaxy. Heck, you can even get an iPhone for free nowadays.

2. If you have a smartphone, you need a data plan to make it useful, and most carriers require it. If you use the data plan enough that you have to worry about battery life, your plan is probably costing you at least $30 a month ... which comes out to $720 over the life of a two-year contract. The cost of the device pales in comparison, and the cost of the data suggests that if you're broke, you can't afford a smartphone anyway.
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I've always thought that the complaints of "I can't affort a new smartphone" from US customers were a little disingenuous, at best, for a couple reasons
It's the forced data plans that make smartphones expensive. As you said, you can get plenty of free smartphones (even iPhone) on contract but I know a lot of folks who forgo smartphones for feature phones because they don't want to pay the mandatory $20~30/month minimum for data plans (comes out to $480~720 over the life of the contract).

Besides, prepaid options that don't require data plans do exist. Good for folks who don't always need to have internet on their phones or have easy access to wi-fi. With today's economy, I see more and more people moving to prepaid so I'd say this is a valid complaint.
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It is much more affordable to exchange a phone that comes with a 100 $ contract with many other facilities like free talk time, free internet etc. It hardly puts a dent in the wallet.
Frankly, the contracts put a much bigger dent on the wallet as opposed to buying phones outright. Unfortunately, a lot of folks are of the instant gratification mindset so they'd much rather spend an extra $500~1000 over the course of 2 years rather than pay outright for their phones.

Another problem is most US carriers won't lower your rates or allow you to forgo data plans if you buy your phones for full price. I'd be more than happy to pay full price for my phones for a corresponding discount on service. However, why would I want to pay $600 for a Samsung Galaxy SII and pay $80 per month for service while others get it for $50~100 and still only pay the same $80 per month that I do?
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Frankly, the contracts put a much bigger dent on the wallet as opposed to buying phones outright. Unfortunately, a lot of folks are of the instant gratification mindset so they'd much rather spend an extra $500~1000 over the course of 2 years rather than pay outright for their phones.

Another problem is most US carriers won't lower your rates or allow you to forgo data plans if you buy your phones for full price. I'd be more than happy to pay full price for my phones for a corresponding discount on service. However, why would I want to pay $600 for a Samsung Galaxy SII and pay $80 per month for service while others get it for $50~100 and still only pay the same $80 per month that I do?
Thanks for showing things that i didn't see. Yes, here we buy phones unlocked with a high price but we try to make the best use of the money by sticking with it as long as possible. That is the main reason I so much against non replaceable battery device. No matter what a lot of people say, I think it just another ploy of the companies to make buyers their own 'sheeps'.
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In parts of the world where phones are sold unsubsidized, I can definitely see people wanting to extend the life of their devices, and thus choosing to opt for a replaceable battery ... and I think that if enough people continue to do that, companies will still make at least some phones with removable batteries.
Here in China, some people like to keep phones going for as long as possible. Still see Nokia 3310s occasionally, these are 12 years old now and the batteries are still readily available.


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2. If you have a smartphone, you need a data plan to make it useful, and most carriers require it.
I use a smart phone without a data contract, but then I don't have to be on Facebook all the time and I'm not streaming music. The phone is on wifi when it's at home, used to install apps and sync with Google.
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I am very worried about the same thing. Battery is the first part that will die in your phone and in certain circumstances it can happen very quickly.

2 years ago I travelled to Indonesia for 2.5 months. I left my laptop to my country and I think that the battery was almost finished even before I left (I forgot to charge it). When I came back to my country and used the laptop for the first time in 3-4 months the battery was broken likely because it got fully discharged during this period.

The same think could happen with your phone. First you use your phone alot (HTC One X, Galaxy Nexus, Nokia Lumia) so that it is almost empty, then you put it to a drawer or storage and go for a long trip. When you come back your battery will be broken, permanently!

And the same thing with SD cards too, not anymore SD card slots in many of these models so you are stuck with whatever amount of memory you get in the beginning (and have to pay overprice for the high capacity models).

So vote by buying. Galaxy S II has still a replaceable battery and SD card reader and it is a pretty good phone (although android sucks, even ICS).
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Is it a matter of worry that most phone makers now a days coming up with devices with no options for users to replace batteries. As if they are trying to keep the key of the Phone so that you need to contact them to open it up. Don't anybody find this alarming. Why no body is coming up with a class action lawsuit against this practice which prevents user to have full control over their phones for which they paid pretty good amount of money. Not only that, Users are also unable to change battery in case someone needs a higher capacity one and battery pull out resetting is also not possible.
I am really sad to say that Apple has initiated this trend and because of their insane success now other phone makers are following apple.

What is your opinion regarding this?
Do you support this trend or not? Can anyone come up with a poll on this?
Completely agree. Like you said, it's unfortunate that Apple started the trend for cell-phones based on the fact that ignorant customers who don't understand the implications of a sealed battery, just bend over and accept it. You'd be surprised how many people don't realize that rechargeable batteries have a limited lifespan. For me, it's an even bigger problem since I live in a climate where summer temps are very high, which tends to kill batteries even faster.

On a larger scale, companies pull this kind of s*** all the time... pushing the limits of what people are willing to tolerate, in an anti-consumer sort of way, with the goal of maximize their profits. Look what happened to the Kindle Fire HD with the non-opt-outable ads on the lockscreen for example. Amazon sold out.

Luckily, there are still a fairly large percentage of phone owners (myself included) who are adamantly opposed to sealed batteries, and will refuse to buy any phone with them.
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But how many cycles has it gone through? That's what matters.


It doesn't. Removable or not has nothing to do with it. Power ratings do and they are what they are.
The cycle count doesn't matter for the vast majority of people, it's the age of the battery that is most important.

These batteries (li ion) typically have a very short shelf-life of only a couple years. Exacerbating the short shelf life problem is heat, which, for some people living in a hot climate (like myself), makes that lifespan even shorter.
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After eight months, I can already tell my battery isn't holding a charge as long. I will never accept the non removable battery.
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My battery is "non removable"... but I know its just a few screws to replace it.

There are OEM batteries for sale online too.

I'm not worried about it
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I couldn't stand such a phone with a non removable battery... I have a bionic and I walk around with spare batteries and have a stand alone charger, this way, I'm never tethered to a charger!

Every smartphone I have ever owned I have had a spare battery and a stand alone charger. The phones I've had? Samsung blackjack, htc ozone, droid 1, droid 2, droid x and the droid bionic. All of which I had a spare battery (Or batteries) and a stand alone desktop charger.

This is one of the reasons I shyed away from the Galaxy Nexus, besides not having the ability to add an sd card further did tje Galaxy Nexus in for me. I have a 64 gig card and have it almost filled! I'm already waiting for an 128 gig! Lol

I agree, I hate phones that are sealed with out the ability to change out the battery...
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I have no issues getting a full day out of my device. I'm at a little less than 50% and the phones been off the charger being used normally for 14 hours
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Making the battery inclusive to the phone probably has positives. You can design a better camera, better microphone and hardware if you don't have to deal with a battery compartment. That said, I prefer changeable batteries.
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On a larger scale, companies pull this kind of s*** all the time... pushing the limits of what people are willing to tolerate, in an anti-consumer sort of way, with the goal of maximize their profits. Look what happened to the Kindle Fire HD with the non-opt-outable ads on the lockscreen for example. Amazon sold out.
It's worse than that. Those Kindle ads do have an opt-out, its just you need to pay Amazon an extra $15 to make the ads go away, from what I've heard.

About the battery issue, perhaps it is time to look into doing solar panel mods on phone cases? Of course, the cynic in me thinks the solar panel would only work when you're running a Calculator app....
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It's worse than that. Those Kindle ads do have an opt-out, its just you need to pay Amazon an extra $15 to make the ads go away, from what I've heard.
Is that worse than not being able to get rid of them at all?

Funny thing is, I reckon that if they'd presented it as a discount for the ad-supported version, and said so from the start, people would probably have just thought "same as the previous gen e-Ink Kindles" and it wouldn't have become such a story. Not saying I approve, just that I'm surprised that they handled it so badly.
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My phone lives in a pocket when not in use, so wouldn't work for me.

Plus I live in Britain, so it wouldn't be much use anyway
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Is that worse than not being able to get rid of them at all?

Funny thing is, I reckon that if they'd presented it as a discount for the ad-supported version, and said so from the start, people would probably have just thought "same as the previous gen e-Ink Kindles" and it wouldn't have become such a story. Not saying I approve, just that I'm surprised that they handled it so badly.
I agree that it was handled badly; the way it was portrayed makes it look like an extortion racket -- sure, our other kindle fires don't have ads, but we'll get rid of the ads on this one if you pay us even more money!

Meh, I bet they'll get around the ad thing with a hosts file hack.

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My phone lives in a pocket when not in use, so wouldn't work for me.

Plus I live in Britain, so it wouldn't be much use anyway
Well, the point of the solar panel wouldn't be to charge it when not in use, it would be to provide on-demand power in an emergency situation, i.e., need to make an important call and battery's nearly dead, so the panel kicks in when you take it out to make the call.

Or hey, set it down on your desk (assuming you have a desk job) and let it (trickle?) charge off the ambient light of the office, no wires needed.

If they move to a standard of non-removable batteries, I bet aftermarket battery makers may move to a design that includes a USB port to plug the phone into it. Not the most elegant design, but who knows what they'll do to stay in business?
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Its a plot to sell more phones. Battery wears out, no more buying a cheap replacement from Amazon, its time for a new phone! Sure, some tech savvy people might take their phones apart and switch them out, but I'd bet that's a very low percentage. Also a good way for them to put a big dent in used phone sales via craigslist, etc. Vote with your wallets and don't buy into forced obsolescence for such an expensive item!
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