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Old July 14th, 2012, 08:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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You just have no idea how much it pains me to say this: Android is a failure. I don't just mean that Android has some serious problems – which it does – I mean that from concept to execution to distribution Android is a complete and utter failure.


Why would I say this? After all, I left Apple's OS in 1995 and and Microsoft's OS in 2006 never to return. I've never owned a Windows phone and have never been tempted by the ubiquitous iPhone. I run Linux on my PCs and am a proponent of open-source software both as a matter of principle and of economics. I own an HTC Incredible and an HTC Rezound. Before I discovered Android, I made do with Palm OS on my first smart phone, a Treo 650. I valued being able to move work from my Treo to my PC and visa versa. But Android has driven me to the brink of giving up on the concept of a smart phone altogether.


The reason is quite simple – Android doesn't work. Not only that, it cannot work. Android was forked from Linux by Google, who was looking for a way to get a piece of the smart phone market dominated by the iPhone. But Google managed to combine the worst of the closed-source and open-source worlds when it gave the handset manufacturers and the cellular network providers a way to lock users out of their own smart phones (closed-source characteristic), while providing almost no quality control of apps in the Android Marketplace or provided by cellular network providers (open-source characteristic). Let the bloat begin!


Let's take the iPhone as an example: Apple controls the hardware design, the Operating System and the application selection through a program of strict specifications. Every handset model has the same set of specifications, which makes the Operating System much easier to debug. In addition, applications that fail to follow Apple's guidelines are simply not allowed in the Apple app store. The result: while the iPhone user is limited in what they can do with their iPhone, they are assured that what Apple provides will work (eventually).


In contrast, Google designs Android as kind of a do-it-yourself kit for handset manufacturers to customize an Operating System for their Android phones. Thus the OS version used on a given Motorola Android phone won't work on an HTC Android phone or any other manufacturer's Android phone. As a matter of fact, the exact Android version that works on any manufacturer's smart phone is unlikely to function well on other models from the same manufacturer without modifications. Android refers to this as “fragmentation”. What they really mean is that this is a separate, unique OS for each phone model (almost like a different Linux “distro” for each manufacturer). Chaos reigns supreme especially for the long-suffering application coders. This is a recipe for failure.


In the open-source world, a Linux distribution is installed on a given piece of hardware: take Ubuntu as a common example. Whether Ubuntu is installed on a Dell, a Lenovo, an Acer, a System76, a ZaReason or any other computer it will present the user with the same GUI. The user is not forced to learn a new habit pattern to accomplish their task simply because the hardware was made by a different manufacturer. Not only that, but the user is free to change the GUI, the installed applications and just about anything else without endangering the warranty on the hardware, in most cases. This is exactly the opposite of what Android smart phone purchasers experience, unless they “root” their phone voiding any warranty provided.


The Android handset manufacturers insist on customizing the GUI of their smart phones, driven I suspect by their marketing branches who insist on needing to “differentiate” the “customer experience” from their competitors. I seriously doubt that customers give a damn, as long as the damn thing “just works”. But that very differentiation drives the failure of Android to “just work” because of all the separate and unique requirements the coders must meet.


Unless and until handset manufacturers and cellular network providers give users control of their own phones, I predict that Android phone sales will continue to plateau and even fall as users give up in disgust and quit purchasing phones that don't “just work”. They'll buy Apple, Meego or even (shudder) Windows OS phones just to find something that will not be continuously be broken and re-broken (Google Maps as an example: how many years in beta now?). After all, when you get down to it a smart phone is just another appliance; the number one thing consumers expect from any appliance is reliability.


Of course, this is just my opinion - errors and all. Let the flame wars commence.
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Old July 14th, 2012, 11:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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1. Windows Phone 7 is not "shudder" inducing. Especially 8. Its an entirely new setup compared to what you left in 2006, and is considered what is the smoothest and arguably prettiest interface among current OS available. A single core Nokia Lumia 800 is as smooth, or even smoother than a dual core iPhone 4S or Galaxy SII. The only thing holding it back is the number of apps, which is fast growing. Currently it sits at 100,000 apps, a milestone it achieved faster than the iPhone did. Analysts say that by 2015, its a three horse race. In some countries outside the US, Windows Phone 7 is already outselling the iPhone. In fact in China, I read a report say that the margin of sales between iPhone and WP7 is at 7%, in favor of Microsoft.

2.Reading through your arguments, Its the same arguments someone can make about Windows on desktops, yet Windows is still the most successful OS out there.

3. Androids work. Its no coincidence when its share is continuously growing. And of course it will plateau, its one of those laws of economics. Android, has no capability of totally killing off Apple, and vice versa.
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From a developer perspective, the barrier to entry is the fee to get their apps listed on the respective official app store. If levied a annual renewable fee of US$100 vs a one-time off fee of US$25 it is simple maths who the developer chooses. Windows will be similar and they can limit the number of apps you are allowed to release. They would say this is control to get more quality apps but the argument can go vice versa isn't it ?

In general, Google Android model provide 'life' to solo developers although at the price of "fragmentation" as what a lot of users say. There is no perfect combination we just live with it.

At the end of it all, let users decide the fate of each OS. Should apps be dominated by big players only or they will also welcome solo developers offering in the mix to offer a variety of apps to serve user daily needs?

My humble opinion.
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I stop reading after Android doesn't work. What world are you living in, Android activate a million device a day so how is it a failure?. Many spent so many time to blame the OS when at times it can be said the user has fail as well.
 
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Apparently Apples attempt to control every aspect of their devices down to the apps does not work as well as they would lead you to believe. Apps in iOS crashes more often than Android apps as indicated in this Forbes article: Do iOS Apps Crash More Than Android Apps? A Data Dive - Forbes

Even though they curate the apps that are available in iOS, they apparently are not more stable than Android apps.
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There sure are a lot of people saying this lately. What gives?


Android is growing very rapidly. It's very successful and is winning the war against apple (and apple's sueing the pants off of everyone to try to slow it down)
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Android is not for everyone. It's not supposed to be.
There are enough platforms out there that I am sure if you keep trying, you will find the right one for you. I am pretty sure that the majority of this community feels it is right for them, imperfections and all, and they don't see Android as a failure. It is a work in progress, and I for one can't wait to see where that progress takes us.
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Ok, I am sorry but the analogies and analysis in the op are beyond wooly.

You want to liken different handset Androids to different Linux distributions?

Fine.

Then you compare Ubuntu to Fedora and Gentoo, not Ubuntu on different PCs. LoL

And I am uncomfortable with your rooting history beginning 10 days ago, so maybe you don't understand Android organization as well as you think.

Your information that Google forked Linux is accurate but dated and incomplete. Google contributions have made their rendezvous back with the mainline.

Android = Linux + Dalvik Virtual Machine + apps that run within the Dalvik and use Linux services

100% of all Android devices are built that way.

And you don't trace through the os for app development on any Linux (unless engaging in systems programming) so your criticisms on that are without merit.

I speak as a kernel, systems, and Linux applications developer for the semiconductor industry.

And I interact with several Linux distributions every day, so what you claim as fragmentation unique to Android, I exploit as variety common to Linux.

I'm afraid that your edgy post with an expectation that the only possible rebuttals being flames has missed its mark because your assessments are somewhat less than technically accurate.

If you'd like to learn more about Android and Linux, just ask, many of us will be happy to educate you and help get some of those concepts untangled so that you can learn why the rest of us find it far from failing.



Now - what would you like to know?

PS - links to my posts dispelling the Apple Store myths passed on as facts cheerfully available upon request.
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@EarlyMon, I'm curious about these "myths"...
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Google Market VS Apple Store

Android More Stable than iOS? (Phandroid article)

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Indeed.

For those with apps for the forum, or just in a hurry, here's the tl/dr snapshot -



Because the pie has so many slices, it's a little hard to see the arrows, but basically, it's showing well over of 75% of crashes monitored going to iDevices.

The other thing that's interesting is that Apple propaganda to the contrary, people are not marching along in lockstep with their iOS updates and therefore, iOS is every bit as fragmented as Android.

So, that's two myths killed for the price of one.
So, iOS is running a whole lot of revisions, it's a myth that everyone runs the same one. As I recall, it's 20-something iOS revs vs. 30-something for Android, so if Android is fragmented then so is IOS. Both are as crash prone and both require user vigilance for security, no one else is going to do that for you.

But with Android you get more choices for good hardware and good software setups.

Myths busted?
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And this is new, so let's give its own post, passed on to me by IOWA (big nod) -

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/13/apple_ios_hack/

I take as an article of faith that Android security fails are already well-accepted in truth and common folklore, but Apple safety and surety continues to be a marketing myth, as that article is one day old.

Note, no jailbreaking required.
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Buy (or at least try) a Nexus before you give up entirely. It completely eliminates the problem of carriers and manufacturers taking a dump on your phone. If enough people switched to Google's spec devices, maybe the other guys will get the hint.
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Wait.

The new iOS gives the features found in Android 1.6 and Sense 1.0.

The new iPhone achieves the perfection of the HTC Hero from 2009.

So you don't need to get a Nexus to keep up with an iPhone, because they have just about updated to Android circa 2010 with their so-called timely updates.

The op owns a Rezound, absolutely nothing to sneeze at.

However, if you want to get the latest from Google, then I agree 100%, a Nexus is the answer.

And either way, root is the answer. In my opinion.
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Android was forked from Linux by Google, who was looking for a way to get a piece of the smart phone market dominated by the iPhone.
I believe this is revisionist history. The iPhone did not dominate the smartphone market when Android was developed. It did not really earn that mantle until late 2008-early 2009. Symbian and Windows Mobile dominated the smartphone market then.

It's actually arguable whether apple ever really "dominated" the smartphone market. They showed remarkable growth and income, which made their business model "dominant."
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Excellent catch.

That meme came straight from Apple spin control in the media.
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I just want to know where the consumer is going to find the MeeGo phones the OP suggests they'll migrate to?
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In reply to the OP who started this thread -

Some of your arguments are accurate, but I don't agree with your conclusions.

Certainly, android is very fragmented. I don't think that the issue of customised versions on different devices is that big a problem, though - okay, there are things like the kindle fire, which are sorta semi-android devices. But, generally, most people don't change phones frequently enough for the issue of learning as new GUI to be a problem.
Android has certainly got serious fragmentation issues, but that's because people don't update. I'm on the galaxy ace running gingerbread 2.3.7, for example, and I'm told my phone won't even be able to run ICS, which makes the customer feel they've spent lotsa money on a product that's already obsolete.

In terms of user experience, however, android certainly works. I don't like being a cheerleader for a big capitalist organisation like Google or Samsung, but they've produced a product that does everything I need at a cost I can just about afford.

So, for me, android certainly works. And sales figures indicate that lotsa people out there think android works, too. . .

(Btw - totally off-topic - just tried Swype-beta. . . isn't it lovely!)
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Before these touchscreen smartphones came along, I don't recall phone manufacturers ever giving users root access to the phone OS by default, so I'm not sure why you expect them to give users root access on a smartphone OS. I'm certainly not for it. Hell, I don't even want most desktop/laptop users to have root access by default (if they're tech-savvy enough to boot a Linux live CD to reset the password or boot Mac OS X into single-user mode and gain admin access, then it makes sense for them to have such access). If they didn't malware would be a lot harder to proliferate!

That said, after I experienced my first HTC Sense overlay phone and then saw how little rom support my phone was getting, I swore my next Android phone would be a Nexus phone. I bought a Galaxy Nexus, and I will never go back to a non-Nexus Android again. Even without root access, the Nexus gives you the pure Android experience Google intended, but it is also extremely easy to root, and there is a ton of rom development for this phone and will be for much longer than other non-Nexus phones released around the same time.

Anyone complaining about so-called "fragmentation" should just buy a Nexus phone. Seriously. Money talks. Articles, blog posts, and forum threads complaining about "fragmentation" do nothing to change the industry. If HTC, Motorola, Samsung, LG, etc. see that Android users are buying Nexus phones in droves, they will all make their phones vanilla Android within a month.

I love my Macbook Pro. Never been tempted by the iPhone, though, even jailbroken. I'll tell you without jailbreaking, the iPhone is seriously crippled. You can't even change your default web browser! You can't integrate Google Voice into the phone dialer! It's insane. Unless you love iTunes, Safari, and just about everything else Apple or unless you're willing to jailbreak (and then jailbreak again and then jailbreak again with every OS update), the iPhone is a terribly limiting choice.
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If Android is Linux - then they are supposed to share and put stuff back if true to the foundations of Linux.

Blame the carriers for the fragmentation. Ever looked at a Nexus? Not much there. The carriers want apps for customers' convenience and to make money. If you don't use the carrier's music service, you aren't using data, and the carrier can't charge you. Same for FB updates. Saw a post the other day - GSM carriers will get updates sooner as the main info is on the SIM.

Why are so many rooting, otherwise? I'd like a survey or post from a survey:
Root - get rid of bloat
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Instead of Apple/Big Brother dictating what apps are deemed worthy enough to be on my phone why don't we use the tried and true American way, "Market Forces". What works sells, what doesn't fades away. And Apple attempts to limit fragmentation by utilizing planned obsolescence and only allowing the 3 latest models to be sold. And as far as ui overlays are concerned HTC Sense is probably the "heaviest" on the market but at the same time they tend to push ota updates more than any other manufacturer. Obviously the 2 are not mutually exclusive.
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They use a Linux kernel. If you modify the kernel, you need to open your source so that people can use your changes (if they'd like). There's no reason for applications that run on top of the Linux kernel to also be open source, but all of Android the operating system is open source, just not the applications. Even on desktop/laptop Linux, you'll see closed source applications available for installation (e.g., Skype, Opera, Dropbox).

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Yeah, but the consumers enable it. As I said before, if most people bought Nexus phones, more handset makers and carriers would include a vanilla Android.
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What are you talking about? I don't use the carrier's music service, but I use plenty of data, and the carrier does indeed charge me for data.
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I root mainly for the ability to install easy rom mods, use Titanium Backup, and get full functionality out of Tasker. There are other benefits, too. If I advised a non-tech-savvy friend to get an Android phone, I would recommend a Nexus unrooted, though.
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Android uses far more than the Linux kernel, it's a complete embedded Linux.

And kernel changes by Google are put back into the Linux mainline as I stated earlier.

And even the Nexus has a history of fragmentation.

Just like the iPhone.

Fragmentation doesn't get solved by the one-model, one-brand approach, that's another myth.

In fact, it's the myth that enables many others.
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Well, one thing i would like to point out which might be wrong, is that WP phones are smooth because they ain't got "many" services running in the background at the same time and same goes for iOS i suppose? while in android, you have all kind of services running.

A decent android dual core phone which is quite common to purchase and cheap as well, can do just fine when it comes to smoothness and most of the time, due to the bloatware which is pre installed, thanks to the network operators, slows the android OS down but the good thing about android is that it is open sourced and most of the enthusiasts like flashing customized roms and so. It gives an opportunity of learning while enjoying the extra features which the device is capable of providing.

All in all, iOS was designed for "dumb" people who are happy with their settings forever so that they don't even have to look at the screen when calling someone, instead they can touch the bottom left side of the screen to get to phone dial.

I have a couple of friends who've got iphone 4 and it is still sitting there with iOS 4 because they don't know how to update...and that is what apple expects people to do, is to buy their product every year or so in order to keep up with the speed. While android phones which came with cupcake are able to use GB roms, thanks to the devs...and i think this is what's keeping Android alive imo.
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And those devs are getting their sources from Google and the manufacturers.

So maybe they are helping to keep Android alive, too.
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I'm not sure what "dumb" in quotation marks means, but I know a lot of smart people who use and like iOS. I prefer Android, but I'm not going to bash iPhone users.
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Just an observation with the chart. Only looking for the moment at iOS and Android, it shows trending for the second quarter of 2012 that iOS will increase while Android is leveling off with a slight decrease. In actuality, both are increasing market share, with Android's growth continuing to surpass iOS.

The chart has it's plotting a little off as well. Currently (Q2, 2012) Android is close to 52% while iOS is above 34%.

Source: Nielsen smartphone numbers 2Q 2012: Android, iOS dominate

More interesting is that this phenomenal growth for both platforms has rendered the previous market leaders (Symbian and RIM) insignificant.
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I think the Q1 2012 part of the chart represents only projected growth. Hence the dotted lines.
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With 52% of the US market I don't even know why we are discussing this thread, sorry Android isn't a failure, pretty sure those numbers prove it. Enjoy your iPhone.


Oh, also, the 1 million member count to Androidforums probably would disagree too, and that's just this site alone.
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Millions worldwide would disagree with the OP as they have put there money into android devices and continue to do so. Hardly a scenario for investing in failure.
Without making a equally long post I have to say your view is not held up by growing user numbers. Please bear in mind most uses want a reasonably priced device which does the things they need and most needs are not too demanding. They don't spend.much time on android forums or considering analysis of their chosen system. I think OP is over complicating something which for the average user is not something that exists.
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I don't think he means literal dumb. He means the kind of people who just buy a smartphone for phone calls and maybe a couple apps and Facebook. They don't really care about how the phone works or what it can do, just that it "does" .
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The big question is, which platform earns more?

It isn't Android vs. iOS. It's Samsung vs. Apple. The other licensees are drowning, while Google is losing/has lost control of Android. Amazon has shown the blueprint on how to further fragment & disrupt the Android ecosystem.
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I would not say that the greater number of sales means that the Android OS is better than iOS. First of all, alot of new users buy an Android because they offer cheaper options (eg get a free phone without locking into a data plan). Secondly, it is my personal opinion that the often lousy support and slow upgrades by most Android manufacturers cause many people to dump their existing android phones/tablets and buying new ones.

Android manufacturers make money by selling you a new phone not by making you happy with your existing phone. Android manufacturers probably do not make as much money as Apple selling you higher priced higher margin and higher quality phones, keeping you happy to stay in the ecosystem by updating and encouraging you to keep your existing phone, selling you content like apps, music and other digital content and selling you other fully compatible hardware and software.

IMO, if any consumer is dumb or ignorant, it may those who buy Androids. People are buying new Android phones which have an OS which is one to two generations old! We live with glitches and lags and just hope that the new update will fix everything. After waiting probably an average of six months, we will then get an already obsolete OS which depending which fragmented manufacturer you went with may have a whole new set of glitches and lags. But by that time, many of us will be falling over ourselves to buy the next model and to start the cycle all over again.
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I would not say that the greater number of sales means that the Android OS is better than iOS. First of all, alot of new users buy an Android because they offer cheaper options (eg get a free phone without locking into a data plan). Secondly, it is my personal opinion that the often lousy support and slow upgrades by most Android manufacturers cause many people to dump their existing android phones/tablets and buying new ones.

Android manufacturers make money by selling you a new phone not by making you happy with your existing phone. Android manufacturers probably do not make as much money as Apple selling you higher priced higher margin and higher quality phones, keeping you happy to stay in the ecosystem by updating and encouraging you to keep your existing phone, selling you content like apps, music and other digital content and selling you other fully compatible hardware and software.

IMO, if any consumer is dumb or ignorant, it may those who buy Androids. People are buying new Android phones which have an OS which is one to two generations old! We live with glitches and lags and just hope that the new update will fix everything. After waiting probably an average of six months, we will then get an already obsolete OS which depending which fragmented manufacturer you went with may have a whole new set of glitches and lags. But by that time, many of us will be falling over ourselves to buy the next model and to start the cycle all over again.
And that's why you get a Nexus device or root your phone. Then 2 years is a pretty realistic amount of time to keep a phone.
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I'm not buying your theory, funpig.

Subsidized low-end Android phones are the same cost ($0) as low-end iPhones:
iPhone 3GS - Free iPhone 3GS (8GB) for AT&T - Apple Store (U.S.)

And the higher-priced (non-Nexus) Android phones do not tend to receive phone upgrades any faster or at all in comparison to the lower-grade Android phones.
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Google revenue for this fiscal year will hit $875 million from Android alone, $835 million of which is from advertising.

As for Samsung vs Apple being the main deal, I don't see why. Apple doesn't make washing machines, cranes and trucks - and Samsung isn't all Android. They're a big player but they are not the whole Android ecosystem.

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Android. Not failing.

As OfTheDamned has said, I don't care who buys what phone so long as people are happy. I agree. I am pretty sure most all staff does.

This post is about dispelling myths, nothing more.
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The big question is, which platform earns more?

It isn't Android vs. iOS. It's Samsung vs. Apple. The other licensees are drowning, while Google is losing/has lost control of Android. Amazon has shown the blueprint on how to further fragment & disrupt the Android ecosystem.
No actual facts went in to the making of that post, but I support your right to your opinions.
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Samsung is just one company which is making android smartphones along with many other famous companies such as HTC and Sony Ericsson and the reason they're all into the android is the answer to the question whether android is a fail or not. They were prolly thinking about how successful android is going to be back in 2006 when they started adopting it....and i guess the facts do answer that as well...

As EarlyMon said above, android = success

Also it's pretty interesting how OP didn't make any reply to these posts or did i miss something?
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And that's why you get a Nexus device or root your phone. Then 2 years is a pretty realistic amount of time to keep a phone.
The often stock answer of "buy a Nexus" implies that the other Androids are inferior and supports the Apple strategy of having a uniform phone. Also, rooting puts the risk and work on the shoulders of the consumer. If you pay premium price for the technology, the consumer should not have to do this.

The iPhone 3GS is a wonderful example of Apple's support for its products. This halo phone is two generations old and more than 3 years old. Yet it can run the latest OS flawlessy. Apple is only just starting to clear them out and my wife and son each picked up a free one a few months ago with out a data plan from Telus (no longer available). Any halo Android Phone from 3 years ago still sold or supported? How about from one year ago?

Finally, it will be interesting when Google ramps up its hardware business via Motorola in the future. It only makes sense that Google will try to grab market share from Apple. But at the same time, it will also compete with and try to take market share from Samsung, Asus, HTC etc. Pure speculation on my part, but I could see Google/Motorola giving itself priority whenever there are new OS updates in the future (Hey, the rest of the Android manufacturers and consumers are already waiting 6 months to get upgrades at this point). I expect that that in the future, the mantra will be "buy a Motorola" in the future and Google will take a larger share and become more Apple-like as it gains control over the market of android hardware, software and content.
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Also it's pretty interesting how OP didn't make any reply to these posts or did i miss something?
Cold front off the Pacific knocked out internet access at my abode until now; Verizon 4G & 3G is weak & unreliable here along I-84.

First of all, I would like to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread. The fact that there is such interest in it is a tribute to the Android community. I would also like to thank the moderator(s) for helping this be a constructive dialogue for issues that concern Android users, and for correcting errors of historical fact that I may have helped perpetuate.


A wise man once said “Where you stand on an issue depends entirely on where you sit.” Meaning, perspective influences viewpoint. My viewpoint on computers and cell phones in general, and Android in particular has always been and will remain that of an interested consumer. I am not and never will be as technically adept as some; I believe my viewpoint is similar to that of the vast majority of Android users. I want my smartphone to work well as a cellphone, and to live up to the implied promise of Internet connectivity wherever I happen to be so that I can accomplish the tasks I need to be able to live my life.


One of the ways that I feel Android fails is in the area of reliability. Android, developed by Google, includes the application Google Maps on my Rezound. I use Google Maps to find locations wherever I travel, because I am unfamiliar with the area I am now in. Once I find a location of interest, I use Google Navigation for turn-by-turn help in arriving at my destination. Yesterday afternoon, attempting to return from a big-box hardware store some distance from my current abode, I attempted to use Google Maps & Navigation to navigate back home. I eventually drove 25 minutes back home with my Rezound proclaiming “searching for GPS” every step of the way. It never found my location until after I arrived back home, requiring me to follow street signs in an unfamiliar area without a paper map to fall back on. Would this be considered a triumph of the Android ecosystem? This failure to find my current location is a recurring and frustrating theme that prompted my original post, but it is symptomatic of a system that values innovation above execution.


I stated that I consider a smartphone to be an appliance – a communication and task-accomplishment appliance. Imagine if you will other appliances we use offering the same level of functionality:
[Refrigerator] “Waiting to find ice dispenser.”
[Microwave oven] “Remove contents, dismount from wall, unplug, wait 60 seconds, plug back in, mount on wall, reinstall contents.”
[Washing machine] “Unable to accept laundry load – too many permanent press to accept any cotton clothing. Empty space will go unused.”


Please do not believe that I think that there are better smartphone OS's out there. I do not. Every one of them has its failings. Unreliability and lack of choice for the consumer are my primary complaints. Of all of them, I think Android had the possibility of becoming the best cellphone OS. Unfortunately, the concept of “sell them something, we'll fix it in the next model/version” has taken firm root. If Android phones continue this constant cycle of “sell, make obsolete by ending support, sell replacement” then I'll be keeping my money in my pocket. If others do the same, won't that be a failure?
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so a "a proponent of open-source software both as a matter of principle and of economics" doesnt support the idea of common people like me and you make a living working on individual projects? I mean, iphone has all the big fish making money, what about people who can still make it better?
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they may not be challenged-user friendly, but android based phones are the most fun.
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Just an observation with the chart. Only looking for the moment at iOS and Android, it shows trending for the second quarter of 2012 that iOS will increase while Android is leveling off with a slight decrease. In actuality, both are increasing market share, with Android's growth continuing to surpass iOS.

The chart has it's plotting a little off as well. Currently (Q2, 2012) Android is close to 52% while iOS is above 34%.

Source: Nielsen smartphone numbers 2Q 2012: Android, iOS dominate

More interesting is that this phenomenal growth for both platforms has rendered the previous market leaders (Symbian and RIM) insignificant.
The numbers are close enough to be confusing, but those are different numbers. Your chart is market share, mine is sales. Both tell a similar story though.
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None of this has to do with Android being a good OS, whether it's more open, Apple revisionist history, or anything like that. Very few posts here have spoken the truth.

This is all about money, pure and simple. Google and Apple both.
Anybody here who truly believes Android Inc. aren't in it for the money and are truly fighting for openess have been fooled. They have been suckered in by the marketing machine promoting Android. Just like the Apple fanboys who get suckered in by the marketing. A fanboy is a fanboy, regardless of the OS.
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You seem to be misinformed about iOS and app support for the iP3gs.

Of all the iPhones, the iP3gs is probably still my favorite - fine, compact workhorse.

But fully supported?

Please stop with the hyperbole.

No - I mean that quite literally and I'm serious.
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Unfortunately, the concept of “sell them something, we'll fix it in the next model/version” has taken firm root. If Android phones continue this constant cycle of “sell, make obsolete by ending support, sell replacement” then I'll be keeping my money in my pocket. If others do the same, won't that be a failure?
Yes. Yes, it will.

Fortunately for those of relying on Android, they are not engaged in sell, make obsolete and end support and sell replacement.

They are not doing that at all. That's a claim you're making not a fact.

As for being an interested consumer, so are we all.

I'm sorry that you had a bad maps experience. I got a flat tire once but I don't think that I'll predict the end of Pirelli at this point because of my one bad experience.

And like all such threads - with more troll claims in this thread than I care to count, I think this one has run its course.

Anyone disagrees with the decision to lock, drop me a line, my door's always open.
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