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Old September 1st, 2012, 09:52 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I used to be under the impression that iPhones couldn't be hacked, but my younger relatives all have "jailbroken" theirs to access a secondary market of apps (Cydia) not approved by Apple. They can also be overclocked, but like Android users, most people just don't do it
Even jailbroken, you still couldn't do many of the things android rooted phones can do because apple is closed source.

Like mentioned above apple tried to sue its own users for jail breaking the device. Sounds like a smart move.

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It is true that all iPhones are behind the latest Android hardware specs currently. But the thing is the iPhone 5 is almost certain to be getting what you just listed (lte, larger screens, nfc, multiple cores). So it will finally be caught up to all current-gen Androids with one swift release, and I think Tim Cook is playing it smarter than Steve Jobs, who tends to discount the benefits of complexity in hardware specs in favor of simplicity. I expect each subsequent release to be similar in prioritizing hardware upgrades like in Androids
Its not just the latest android devices. Apple is literally a couple of years behind flagship android devices.

I cant wait for the revolutionary announcement where they have innovated by catching up to those thieving android devices. It must be nice being able to say anything and have the public eat it up.

If they do in fact catch up... great, but its only a matter of a few months before they are behind again.

The US *will* have quad core lte capable phones before too long, and Apple *may* be getting their first dual core device and *may* finally get lte

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The US *will* have quad core lte capable phones before too long, and Apple *may* be getting their first dual core device and *may* finally get lte
The iPhone 4S is a dual core A9. Anyway, LTE is questionable since they get their chips from Samsung, and Samsung says they'll sue if Apple activates LTE.
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You do know Apple tried to sue users that jail broke their phones?
No I did not, that sounds peposterous
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Well a lot of things stock Android can do can only be done on jailbroken iPhones, so still, it really depends on a person's tastes.
I have no idea what your point is in posting this sentence. What depends on a person's taste? I was responding to jhtalisman's assertion that Androids can be rooted implying iOS can't, when in fact both can be hacked to do things like over or underclock.
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Oh yeah, I lack the faith in Tim Cook you have. With Jobs at least I could always expect something, even if I didn't like Apple. With Cook all I could see he did was slap retina screen everywhere.
I'm not faithful to Tim Cook, Steve Jobs, or Apple, I'm faithful to Google. Chanchan your posts always confuse me...
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Even jailbroken, you still couldn't do many of the things android rooted phones can do because apple is closed source.
That's exactly how I used to think, until I played around on Cydia, which has tens of thousands of apps and tweaks, which enables iPhones to do everything a rooted Android can do (to my surprise). Some things include wifi tethering and over/underclocking, while others are things unrooted Androids already do (widgets, theming, file exploration). My point is before, like most Android users, I assumed that iPhones would never be able to do everything a rooted Android can, but I was wrong. Also, if you think about it, many Android models have to be rooted to gain the efficiency in battery usage that iPhones already enjoy, so the fact that jailbroken iOS gains unrooted Android features goes both ways.
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Like mentioned above apple tried to sue its own users for jail breaking the device. Sounds like a smart move.
You know what I gotta believe you that Apple probably pulled a stupid move like that a while ago and learned from it, but it doesn't take away from my point (that iOS can be hacked much like Android can). I'm pretty sure all it does is void your warranty
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I have no idea what your point is in posting this sentence. What depends on a person's taste? I was responding to jhtalisman's assertion that Androids can be rooted implying iOS can't, when in fact both can be hacked to do things like over or underclock.
I was implying that Android users do not need to root to get some of the features that iOS users need to. For simplicity's sake you can just get an Android phone and do stuff like that out of the box, like choosing whether to use what GSM band to use.

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I'm not faithful to Tim Cook, Steve Jobs, or Apple, I'm faithful to Google. Chanchan your posts always confuse me...
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Tim Cook is playing it smarter than Steve Jobs, who tends to discount the benefits of complexity in hardware specs in favor of simplicity. I expect each subsequent release to be similar in prioritizing hardware upgrades like in Androids
That statement implies that you have some form of "faith" in Tim Cook that he will do something to get back on track. to which I replied I doubt it.
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I knew exactly what you were implying, just wasn't sure what you meant by "it depends". What depends?
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Apple has fallen way behind and the only way for them to catch up now that Jobs is out of the game is to play the blame game and point fingers at anyone and everyone whom they believe infringed upon their patents. Apple knows they are losing the market, which is why they are attempting to ban all of the alleged infringing devices from the market. Don't wait for the iPhone 5. IF it does happen to be a magically intuitive device that breaks new ground in the spartphone industry you can expect it to come at a price that most people simply cannot with sound reasoning justify spending. Get an Android. Even the Galaxy Nexus, which debuted in December, will most likely be comparable to the iPhone 5 hardware.
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And now Samsung is threatening lawsuits on any LTE capable device released by Apple, meaning even if Apple releases an LTE device that doesn't infringe upon Samsungs patents, it's possible that Apples LTE device will have limited LTE coverage. This patent war is only hurting the consumers.

WHO ELSE WANTS A GOOPHONE? Just for the sheer sake of having one!
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I knew exactly what you were implying, just wasn't sure what you meant by "it depends". What depends?
It depends on the person who is buying the phone. Its entire preference in that point. On how the person wants things done out of the box. It also depends on the person's views on rooting/jailbreaking. Some people simply do not want to do those stuff for one reason or another. So debating that things done on stock Android can be done on a jailbroken iPhone is kind of pointless when many people actually don't jailbreak. Not really sure how much you don't understand by "it depends entirely on the person's preference" in the original statement.
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You are very unclear to what this 'it' is that depends on a person's preference. Joining the army? Mowing the lawn? My whole point was if you were implying that whether a person buys an iOS or Android device is based on personal preferences, you're stating something really obvious and irrelevant to my post you were responding to. Of course people buy one thing or the other based on their preference, why would one buy something unpreferred......
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I used to be under the impression that iPhones couldn't be hacked, but my younger relatives all have "jailbroken" theirs to access a secondary market of apps (Cydia)... the iPhone 5 is almost certain to be getting what you just listed (lte, larger screens, nfc, multiple cores). So it will finally be caught up to all current-gen Androids with one swift release, and I think Tim Cook is playing it smarter than Steve Jobs...
Jailbreaking an iPhone is about a lot more than accessing Cydia. It gave one the freedom to trade apps with friends or access an entire network of other sources for apps, roms, etc. As well as, unlocking the bootloader to use the phone on another carrier, which is no longer necessary now that the Apple-AT&T contract is over.

As for the iPhone 5, it will undoubtedly have higher specs and better hardware than the 4S, but until the release of the iPhone 4 and 4S Apple doubled the processor and RAM capabilities with each release. As well as increasing battery life. I would not discount Jobs. I think he saw the importance of hardware, but with his failing health and the uncertainty of who would take over Apple, there were too many obstacles and the iPhone4/4S resulted in disappointment. I actually think Tim Cook will take Apple in a direction I don't care to follow. As far as we know these were failed experiments, but Jobs did mention the "sheet of glass" Apple flatscreen TV designed to make cable boxes and DVR a thing of the past. Even a vehicle with onboard CPU/dash unit designed by Apple.

Not that I would buy them, but I'm seriously curious how these items were created/died and really think that they could have been innovative and illustrate how Jobs was trying to rethink the way we lived our lives by bringing the flexibility of CPU to various unrelated household items. His failure was in limiting what his customers could do with what could have been truly innovative items.

That is where Google comes to the consumers rescue.
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I personally like the Droid Razr.
Put it in a Otter Box or other tough protective case and it's good for work or leisure...

I think some folks who favor I-Phones have shied away from the larger phones for vanity reasons.
IMHO: That's the wrong reason for choosing a phone...

I was looking for a strong phone that worked.
I was looking for a larger screen.
Bullet Proof or something close, was high on my list.
Vanity was near the bottom of my list.

In some instances the right phone with the wrong carrier equals zero.
I wanted a phone that worked well where I wanted to go,
I checked the available carriers and chose Verision, due to coverage.
Sometimes I hunt, fish, and camp in remote areas with poor coverage.
If I stayed in a big city and seldom left, I may have chose a different carrier.

It's different strokes for different folks.
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Lol...if you read the thread you would realize the the iOS equivalent of gaining superuser access exists, is not called rooting, and it's a common misconception among Android users that iOS cannot be 'rooted'.

In the end, both platforms have different strengths by design. Androids are very customizable and truly multitask, at the expense of battery life. iPhones handle battery life like a champ out of the box because it doesn't truly multitask, and is less customizable (by design). Both platforms can be altered to achieve the strengths of the other: Androids are rooted mainly to extend battery life, and iOS is jailbroken to gain customizability (at the expense of battery life). With each passing generation of hardware/OS, however, each side becomes more like the other: Androids are improving in battery life, and iOS is gaining more and more customizable features. The end result is that consumers win, as ideally each platform will ultimately become equivalent, and choice is always great for consumers.
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How do you compare any Android phone to a phone that hasn't been released and there are no factual specs?

You should pick the phone that is best for your needs on the carrier that is best for you.
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Considering it's only 13 days away, yes, it's worth waiting to see if Apple has a super-secret killer feature in the iPhone 5. I think you'll end up buying an Android anyway, but until that day, we will never know
Except we know what the features of the new iPhone 5 are going to be, Apple announced iOS 6 back in June. People have been using the iOS 6 beta for months now. All we don't know are what the exact specs are going to be but there is no reason to expect the specs of the iPhone are going to be any better than top Android phones today, especially since Samsung is one of the main parts suppliers for the iPhone.

The "surprises" were released when the new iPad was announced -- that appears to have become Apple's flagship product, instead of the iPhone.

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And now Samsung is threatening lawsuits on any LTE capable device released by Apple, meaning even if Apple releases an LTE device that doesn't infringe upon Samsungs patents, it's possible that Apples LTE device will have limited LTE coverage. This patent war is only hurting the consumers.

WHO ELSE WANTS A GOOPHONE? Just for the sheer sake of having one!
Actually, Samsung can't block Apple from using LTE. They can demand money from Apple to add LTE in their phones but they cannot block them from using it. The courts have ruled that "essential" phone operations (such as the antennas) have to be licensed to all companies that want it; it is only the "features" that aren't required (such as searching, the look of the phone and UI, etc.) that are not allowed to be copied.

Samsung may sue Apple for using LTE but they can't stop the iPhone from being sold, all the court will do is determine a fair licensing cost for the LTE technology that Apple has to pay.
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All we don't know are what the exact specs are going to be but there is no reason to expect the specs of the iPhone are going to be any better than top Android phones today, especially since Samsung is one of the main parts suppliers for the iPhone.
"What the exact specs are going to be" is exactly the reason to see if Apple has anything surprising to offer. Of course iOS isn't the reason people wait for the new iPhone, just as Android 4.0 shouldn't ever be the reason people wait for new Android hardware. It's just an operating system that can run on older iPhones, the hardware's what's new and surprising.

Samsung's relationship to Apple as a parts supplier has no relevancy to whether the hardware will be surprising or better than top Android phones. It could be 5" if all the leaked photos are fake, sport a quadcore CPU, even have a keyboard for all we know. When Apple released a new iPhone with a front facing camera, it was a surprisingly innovative hardware feature that other manufacturers continue to use. The point is the hardware is what people are waiting on, not iOS. Only Apple knows what's up their sleeve. However if there are no true innovations and all it is is a 4", thinner, dual-core iPhone, then the wait is pointless. But until 9/12 no one can say anything for sure unless you have ESP. For all we know an iPhone may not even be announced (unlikely though)
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"What the exact specs are going to be" is exactly the reason to see if Apple has anything surprising to offer. Of course iOS isn't the reason people wait for the new iPhone, just as Android 4.0 shouldn't ever be the reason people wait for new Android hardware. It's just an operating system that can run on older iPhones, the hardware's what's new and surprising.

Samsung's relationship to Apple as a parts supplier has no relevancy to whether the hardware will be surprising or better than top Android phones. It could be 5" if all the leaked photos are fake, sport a quadcore CPU, even have a keyboard for all we know. When Apple released a new iPhone with a front facing camera, it was a surprisingly innovative hardware feature that other manufacturers continue to use. The point is the hardware is what people are waiting on, not iOS. Only Apple knows what's up their sleeve. However if there are no true innovations and all it is is a 4", thinner, dual-core iPhone, then the wait is pointless. But until 9/12 no one can say anything for sure unless you have ESP. For all we know an iPhone may not even be announced (unlikely though)
My point is, there are already phones with 5" screens, quad core processors, etc. It might be surprising, to those who didn't expect those things but hardly anything to make it worth the wait.

The point on iOS is if there was new hardware, such as the front facing camera, then it would need to be supported by iOS -- in the case of the camera, FaceTime. In previous versions of iOS, some things have been figured out about the new phones based on things found in the iOS beta. That nothing was announced when iOS 6 and the new iPad were announced, combined with nothing extra found in the beta, is strong evidence that there will be nothing new for cell phones on the iPhone 5, even if it is new for the iPhone.
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"What the exact specs are going to be" is exactly the reason to see if Apple has anything surprising to offer. Of course iOS isn't the reason people wait for the new iPhone, just as Android 4.0 shouldn't ever be the reason people wait for new Android hardware. It's just an operating system that can run on older iPhones, the hardware's what's new and surprising.

Samsung's relationship to Apple as a parts supplier has no relevancy to whether the hardware will be surprising or better than top Android phones. It could be 5" if all the leaked photos are fake, sport a quadcore CPU, even have a keyboard for all we know. When Apple released a new iPhone with a front facing camera, it was a surprisingly innovative hardware feature that other manufacturers continue to use. The point is the hardware is what people are waiting on, not iOS. Only Apple knows what's up their sleeve. However if there are no true innovations and all it is is a 4", thinner, dual-core iPhone, then the wait is pointless. But until 9/12 no one can say anything for sure unless you have ESP. For all we know an iPhone may not even be announced (unlikely though)
How could releasing a phone with a front facing camera be innovative when my N70, released back in 2003 already had it? Let's face it, any hardware innovation from Apple is a copy of older tech that idiot iSheep think are new things.
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Awesome analysis dude...all it needed to be post of the year would be "nuff said" added to the end. <------ (that is the sarcastic symbol by the way)

If you drive an F-150 pickup and hang out on the F-150 forums you would get the impression that 90% of the trucks out there have aftermarket exhaust and reprogrammed engine controls and oversize tires. In the real world it's probably actually 1% or less. There are enthusiasts and there are the "normal" people in every arena.

Normal people make phone calls, check email, look for a movie showtime, search for the nearest Starbucks, play that birds game or do some damn Facebook thing.....thats all. When normal people ask me what phone to get I might try to go into various options but if the eyes start to glaze ovber I usually just tell them to go get the latest iPhone.....frankly, it's a pretty good..probably the best...choice for most people.

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How could releasing a phone with a front facing camera be innovative when my N70, released back in 2003 already had it? Let's face it, any hardware innovation from Apple is a copy of older tech that idiot iSheep think are new things.
The world would be a better place if it was not as easy for people to take pictures of themselves...not everything new is an advancement.
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I am new to the forum and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Kevin and I wanted to know everyone's thoughts on whether or not it is worth waiting to see what the iPhone 5 has in store before buying an Android?

Personally, I like Android and am anti-apple. But, I'm curious too.
I hate Apple just recently. It's boring, though, I mean the iPhone and the other gadgets unlike those gadgets in Android OS, they're great! That's why I'm happy with my Samsung S3 because it surprises me about how much I can do with a smartphone.

And I wrote about the recent win between Apple and Samsung, though. I felt that Samsung should have won.

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How can anyone not like Apple unless they can't afford it? It's glass and aluminum. It's a beautiful thing and is revolutionary.
I have a feeling you are being sarcastic

I hate apple cause their business practices. And glass on the back was the dumbest idea ever
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I hate Apple just recently. It's boring, though, I mean the iPhone and the other gadgets unlike those gadgets in Android OS, they're great! That's why I'm happy with my Samsung S3 because it surprises me about how much I can do with a smartphone.

And I wrote about the recent win between Apple and Samsung, though. I felt that Samsung should have won.

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Android is not always harder to get accustomed to. My little brother figured out how to use my tablet by himself.
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I'm just pointing out that if an Android user went on MacRumors to extoll the virtues of Android he would receive more of an open mind and less emotionally charged discussion.

Also, your implication seems inaccurate, as I joined this forum before you or half these posters did. What I am is an avid proponent of valuable, objective debate, not what I've been noticing alot of.. just an observation
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I hate that every movie that comes out is an Apple commercial. Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol is the worst with this.
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I'm just pointing out that if an Android user went on MacRumors to extoll the virtues of Android he would receive more of an open mind and less emotionally charged discussion.

Also, your implication seems inaccurate, as I joined this forum before you or half these posters did. What I am is an avid proponent of valuable, objective debate, not what I've been noticing alot of.. just an observation
Don't generalize. I've encountered several Apple boys so much blinded by the brand that they actually hate on anything not apple.
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How can anyone not like Apple unless they can't afford it? It's glass and aluminum. It's a beautiful thing and is revolutionary.
I use to have the iPhone 4 and when I dropped Verizon and couldn't use it anymore I thought I was a bit upset until I got use to my Android. I don't see the major attraction anymore. Screen is smaller and it doesn't have all the Google capabilities either. You can't open excel docs on it either.

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"What the exact specs are going to be" is exactly the reason to see if Apple has anything surprising to offer. Of course iOS isn't the reason people wait for the new iPhone, just as Android 4.0 shouldn't ever be the reason people wait for new Android hardware. It's just an operating system that can run on older iPhones, the hardware's what's new and surprising.

Samsung's relationship to Apple as a parts supplier has no relevancy to whether the hardware will be surprising or better than top Android phones. It could be 5" if all the leaked photos are fake, sport a quadcore CPU, even have a keyboard for all we know. When Apple released a new iPhone with a front facing camera, it was a surprisingly innovative hardware feature that other manufacturers continue to use. The point is the hardware is what people are waiting on, not iOS. Only Apple knows what's up their sleeve. However if there are no true innovations and all it is is a 4", thinner, dual-core iPhone, then the wait is pointless. But until 9/12 no one can say anything for sure unless you have ESP. For all we know an iPhone may not even be announced (unlikely though)
I'm not sure why you would say this. Hardware is like a tool box or a car. It will do well empty, but what you put in it is the important part. A Ferrari is nice to look at, but is rendered useless without a driver. A nice shiny tool box is great, but is pretty worthless without a standard set of tools inside it.

Do you ever see Apple marketing the iPhones hardware? They market Siri and the App Store. They market what the phone can do. They don't usually talk about the CPU or the amount of RAM it has. They may bring up the screen or the camera, but they don't bring up the other stuff. That is because the greatest hardware in the world is worthless if it has horrible software. If the Galaxy Nexus was released with Android 1.0 right now do you think anyone would purchase it? Would the iPhone 4s have sold as much if it wasn't for Siri? Many iPhone users would ignore the best hardware in the world if the new iPhone was running WP7 or BlackBerry 10.

While an OS may be able to run on older phones, it isn't always the same experience. The iPhone 4 is able to run the latest and greatest, but didn't come with Siri. Anyone who wanted that part of the software had to jailbreak their phone or buy the 4s.

All that said there is of course hardware that, if missing, would generally cause a phone to be DOR. Things like LTE, screens 4" and up, hd screens and batteries that last all day are expected now. Customers know that the phones are capable of it now and they demand it. A company could possibly get away with a smaller battery, but not skipping LTE. There is no way a phone could come out now, on a network capable of it, missing LTE and really sell.

BTW, I used to have friends that would watch Apple announcements like a drinking game. You had to take a shot every time someone said "innovative" or mentioned anything "magical". It ypically pay attention to them just to see who they took their latest idea from.
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Hi everyone,

I am new to the forum and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Kevin and I wanted to know everyone's thoughts on whether or not it is worth waiting to see what the iPhone 5 has in store before buying an Android?

Personally, I like Android and am anti-apple. But, I'm curious too.
After jumping ship two weekends ago, I have nothing but resentment towards owning an iPhone since it's initial release, 5 years ago. Android is just that much better.

Don't get me wrong, IOS is a fine operating system, and the iPhone is made with great quality and attention to detail. I think it's a solid choice for some people, especially those new to the smartphone market, and/or those looking for something simply to make calls on, text and play angry birds. After a while, however, the locked down nature of the phone's design gets tiresome. Not to mention Apple's questionable businesses practices (i.e. not listening to their customers, their 'business first' attitude, or their ridiculous DRM protection on itunes purchased music and movies) leave much to be desired.

At the end of the day, I would wholeheartedly not recommend getting an iPhone.
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I hate that every movie that comes out is an Apple commercial. Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol is the worst with this.
Are you looking forward to Skyfall then (James Bond with Sony phones)?
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we americans think iphones is the best cell phone ever made because it was designed in US by steve jobs. pssh wrong. its a piece of shit that getting worse everytime we speak. the people that buy iphones is because its more advertised than any other phone. if you look at phones being advertised ofc android will only advertise the latest phones that hit the market then its on the the next ones. witch in apples case they only have one phone to advertise. that one phone is that same shit different year. but to them its not cause they tweak it up a bit and add little of this and little of that...

now we got that out of the way here is more reasons..

android phones have different features depending on its manufacturer. samsung/htc/motorolla
androids have more customization to your needs.. themes, widgets, and so on
androids have google ios. google owns all.
androids will and will always have better hardware/software. well that depends on the manufacture. i like samsung.
android is a little green dude how cool is he other than an apple..
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we americans think iphones is the best cell phone ever made because its made in US. pssh wrong. its a piece of shit that getting worse everytime we speak. the people that buy iphones is because its more advertised than any other phone. if you look at phones being advertised ofc android will only advertise the latest phones that hit the market then its on the the next ones. witch in apples case they only have one phone to advertise. that one phone is that same shit different year. but to them its not cause they tweak it up a bit and add little of this and little of that...

now we got that out of the way here is more reasons..

android phones have different features depending on its manufacturer. samsung/htc/motorolla
androids have more customization to your needs.. themes, widgets, and so on
androids have google ios. google owns all.
androids will and will always have better hardware/software. well that depends on the manufacture. i like samsung.
android is a little green dude how cool is he other than an apple..
You first line about where the iPhone is made is just plain wrong and after that I couldn't understand what you were saying.
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With iphone Apple tells you what's good for you.
With Android (which is an OS btw) you buy the phone you like with the specs you like. Ignore my previous posts, I wasn't myself lately but as much as I love my Macs and iPad, etc. I still prefer an Android phone (mainly Samsung and HTC) over the iPhone. Currently waiting tonseemif I'm jumping to iPhone 5 if it delivers otherwise Note 2 yes please!
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Im quite excited to see what they bring out

Hopefully, if they bring some positive stuff we will see this come to android.
Still crossing my fingers for NFC but it's looking pretty bleak.
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Can't most people see how the opinions in this thread are based on speculation and facts they can't substantiate?

"I like Android people because they chose their phone"
"less than 20% of iPhone owners will know if they have the best phone for them"

I'm not quoting word for word here, but you can immediately tell the debate isn't fair. Then again, why would it be? This is an Android Forum and inevitably its contributors will gravitate towards Androids and claim it's everyone else that is a "fanboy" - but not them (which is the whole premise of their posts).

iPhone 5 should be a cool phone. Enjoy it. Apple have done amazing things for the mobile phone market - the App store and investing heavily in open sourced software being among them.
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With iphone Apple tells you what's good for you.
With Android (which is an OS btw) you buy the phone you like with the specs you like. Ignore my previous posts, I wasn't myself lately but as much as I love my Macs and iPad, etc. I still prefer an Android phone (mainly Samsung and HTC) over the iPhone. Currently waiting to see if I'm jumping to iPhone 5 if it delivers otherwise Note 2 yes please!
Some might argue that with the iPad, Apple also tells you what's good for you, same as it does with the iPhone. That doesn't prevent the iPad from being the most popular tablet available. I do wonder why a double standard exists. Why is the iPhone automatically bad when the iPad is considered good? Both are equally locked down.

I use a number of mobile devices: Android (Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7, Transformer Infinity, a bunch of Xperias), iOS (iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch) and WP7 (LG Quantum). Not one of them is perfect and each device/OS has its set of strengths and flaws. I just don't see why so many users here can easily make blanket statements that iPhone owners are idiotic sheep just following the Borg.

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As for the iPhone 5, it will undoubtedly have higher specs and better hardware than the 4S, but until the release of the iPhone 4 and 4S Apple doubled the processor and RAM capabilities with each release.
Not exactly true.

  • original iPhone: ARM 1176JZ(F)-S + 128MB RAM
  • iPhone 3G: ARM 1176JZ(F)-S + 128MB RAM
  • iPhone 3GS: single-core ARM Cortex A8 + 256MB RAM + PowerVR SGX535 150MHz
  • iPhone 4: Apple A4 (single-core ARM Cortex A8-based) + 512MB RAM + PowerVR SGX535 200MHz
  • iPhone 4S: Apple A5 (dual-core ARM Cortex A9-based) + 512MB RAM + PowerVR SGX543MP2

Going by the above trend, I don't think we'll see improvements in terms of CPU power. More than likely, what we'll see at best is an improved GPU to handle the slightly higher resolution and perhaps an increase in RAM.
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I just don't see why so many users here can easily make blanket statements that iPhone owners are idiotic sheep just following the Borg.
Most comments are based on user experience. Since the iPhone is one of the more popular devices on the market there are plenty of people that get them without knowing anything about smartphones. The same comment can be made about the Galaxy S3 and the Droid Razr Maxx though.

It is typically anecdotal, but just about everyone knows at least 5 iPhone users that don't know anything about the product they have. I used to have a boss with an iPhone that would sing the praises of Apple (no seriously he would sing about it and off-key too), but didn't have a single app installed and never really did anything smartphonish with it. It was just an over the top phone for him. Then again I'm sure that everyone also knows plenty of Android users that bought the phone, got the free version and knows nothing about it or how to use it.

The main difference I've noticed between these two different groups of users is that the Android buyers don't talk about their phones constantly. We do here, of course, it is an Android forum. What else are we going to do? In the real world though, you don't come across a bunch of Android users sitting around talking about it. They don't try to show you the latest thing that Google Now said to you. They don't bring up all the apps they found in Google Play. They don't have the same cultish qualities in the real world that a lot of Apple users do.

On the other hand, there used to be memes devoted to iPhone users trying to show you the latest app they found. The ones I know talk endlessly about their phones or try to show you the latest thing that Siri said to them. Some I know will go on and on about features that my phone had 3 years ago and then try to prove to me that it is better than what I have. "Well maybe your phone does have a notification panel, but it isn't as nice as this."

Of course Android has flaws, every OS does. We all know that Apple does make a good phone and tablet. We all know that the majority of people have found the right phone for them. It is the overly vocal minority of Apple users that irritate everyone. They are the group we all know we will hear from later today or tomorrow. They will be the ones telling us about these amazing new features that we've been using for the last year already.

To put it simply, many find certain iPhone users annoying. They are irritated with Apple as a company for all the legal garbage they keep pulling while they copy other people's tech left and right. Constantly bias from some tech blogs towards the iPhone is frustrating and silly. Sometimes it comes out wrong and sometimes it looks like we are being mean, but we are among friends here. It isn't like we are going to an iPhone site and calling people names. Many are just venting frustrations or making statements based off of experience. If you really look through the forum and find some threads where people are asking what phone to buy, you'll see that most contain people telling them to buy whichever phone will suit their purposes best. We don't really care which phone they buy in the end as long as they get what they need. You'll also notice plenty of back and forth between users about this Android phone vs that Android phone. We like to debate the merits of each phone and try and prove each other wrong. At the end of the day it is usually a Coke vs Pespi argument where personal taste makes the end decision, but it passes the time and good information is usually shared by all.
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That's exactly how I used to think, until I played around on Cydia, which has tens of thousands of apps and tweaks, which enables iPhones to do everything a rooted Android can do (to my surprise). Some things include wifi tethering and over/underclocking, while others are things unrooted Androids already do (widgets, theming, file exploration). My point is before, like most Android users, I assumed that iPhones would never be able to do everything a rooted Android can, but I was wrong. Also, if you think about it, many Android models have to be rooted to gain the efficiency in battery usage that iPhones already enjoy, so the fact that jailbroken iOS gains unrooted Android features goes both ways.

You know what I gotta believe you that Apple probably pulled a stupid move like that a while ago and learned from it, but it doesn't take away from my point (that iOS can be hacked much like Android can). I'm pretty sure all it does is void your warranty
having spent years on jailbreaking ios from 2.x to 5.x i learned my way around well but it took just a few moments with the s3 on 4.0 before i came to my senses and just like that, a die hard jailbroken iphone fan was turned. cydia is growing to big, it needs a re-face or something to introduce whats available. its nothing compared to apples very own appstore or the google store. i do miss a handful of the appstore apps especially their games but the versatility and the simple fact that an unrooted android runs with all the features and then some of a jailbroken ios- dont get me wrong, a stock ios is as stable as they come its complete boring shit
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having spent years on jailbreaking ios from 2.x to 5.x i learned my way around well but it took just a few moments with the s3 on 4.0 before i came to my senses and just like that, a die hard jailbroken iphone fan was turned. cydia is growing to big, it needs a re-face or something to introduce whats available. its nothing compared to apples very own appstore or the google store. i do miss a handful of the appstore apps especially their games but the versatility and the simple fact that an unrooted android runs with all the features and then some of a jailbroken ios- dont get me wrong, a stock ios is as stable as they come its complete boring shit
I just jailbroke my wife's iPod. Cydia is really hard to navigate. I got SIRI installed though lol. But I can't figure out anything awesome to do with it.
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Just watched the announcement aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnd not impressed. The camera looks nice (although the excitement over panorama was a little sad), but other that it is an Android phone running iOs with a bunch of features we already saw at Google I/O.
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Just watched the announcement aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnd not impressed. The camera looks nice (although the excitement over panorama was a little sad), but other that it is an Android phone running iOs with a bunch of features we already saw at Google I/O.
That was a waste of my time. They showed NOTHING new. Sure, it's a great new iPhone, but it's still the same old iPhone. Nothing revolutionary.
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That was a waste of my time. They showed NOTHING new. Sure, it's a great new iPhone, but it's still the same old iPhone. Nothing revolutionary.
I'm not saying they didn't have some good new features for current iPhone users. They did. Like you said though, I was expecting a little more of a wow factor out of it. Up until the 4s I was always pretty impressed with the new features they showed each year.
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I'm not saying they didn't have some good new features for current iPhone users. They did. Like you said though, I was expecting a little more of a wow factor out of it. Up until the 4s I was always pretty impressed with the new features they showed each year.
That's exactly how I would sum it up. Go upgrade if you have a 4 or 3gs, but I can't forsee any converts from high end Android phones. Quite a shame, since it only harms us consumers in the long run.

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Quite a shame, since it only harms us consumers in the long run.
That is my feeling exactly.

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No. There was no mention of NFC at all. Some are speculating that Apple might see it the same way they did Flash. Which is really disappointing for those that are waiting for NFC to really take off.
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Quite a shame, since it only harms us consumers in the long run.
Not really. Apple is going to repeat this cycle until their numbers start falling. I can't blame them, really. I'm not sure I'd be willing to change the formula if the formula is making me a gross amount of cash. Falling sales numbers get CEOs replaced. Releasing a device that isn't leaps and bounds more 'revolutionary' then the last doesn't, unless it causes your sales numbers to fall.

As Android devices keep vying for the top Android device and maybe even the top device overall(and as recently as last week when the GS3 started outselling the iPhone 4S), Apple will be forced to shift strategies. Right now they're riding the wave and delivering exactly what people expect out of the new iPhone. Nothing more, nothing less. People expected a bigger screen, LTE, and an improved camera. That's what they delivered.

I might be taking your comment out of context, because I removed all but that statement.
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Not really. Apple is going to repeat this cycle until their numbers start falling. I can't blame them, really. I'm not sure I'd be willing to change the formula if the formula is making me a gross amount of cash. Falling sales numbers get CEOs replaced. Releasing a device that isn't leaps and bounds more 'revolutionary' then the last doesn't, unless it causes your sales numbers to fall.

As Android devices keep vying for the top Android device and maybe even the top device overall(and as recently as last week when the GS3 started outselling the iPhone 4S), Apple will be forced to shift strategies. Right now they're riding the wave and delivering exactly what people expect out of the new iPhone. Nothing more, nothing less. People expected a bigger screen, LTE, and an improved camera. That's what they delivered.

I might be taking your comment out of context, because I removed all but that statement.
No, you were spot on with what I was trying to say. While I agree that sales will be the ultimate judge of their success, basic marketing concepts tell us that if you're not ahead of the curve, you can't be sustainable. Apple has been fantastic about creating hype and a NEED for their product. I'm wondering how long that can last while they're playing catch up on the feature side.

The fact that Apple has started paying a dividend tells me that even they think the growth seen over the last 3 years isn't sustainable. Competition is fierce now. Apple may still be top dog, but they're doing nothing other than lip service to stay there.
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Not really. Apple is going to repeat this cycle until their numbers start falling. I can't blame them, really. I'm not sure I'd be willing to change the formula if the formula is making me a gross amount of cash. Falling sales numbers get CEOs replaced. Releasing a device that isn't leaps and bounds more 'revolutionary' then the last doesn't, unless it causes your sales numbers to fall.

As Android devices keep vying for the top Android device and maybe even the top device overall(and as recently as last week when the GS3 started outselling the iPhone 4S), Apple will be forced to shift strategies. Right now they're riding the wave and delivering exactly what people expect out of the new iPhone. Nothing more, nothing less. People expected a bigger screen, LTE, and an improved camera. That's what they delivered.

I might be taking your comment out of context, because I removed all but that statement.
I think he is referring to innovations that drive technology forward more than anything. There used to be huge advancements and things we'd never seen before or even thought of at all lot of these types of events. Now, as you said, it is all about incremental change. Moving forward slowly and steadily instead of blowing past everyone else to show something truly out of this world.

We saw Android drive LTE forward along with screen resolution, processor speed and a total revamp of the OS. I think many were expecting Apple to push past that to bring something new and exciting. If you are an Apple user then a lot of this is great and cool, but for Android users it isn't that exciting to see.

I know I was really looking for that one feature that would make me say, "Ok, now I could use something like that! I can't wait for something like that on Android." I didn't see it though and that gives me a sad.
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Ok i respect apple products but when it comes to the iphone 5 i will be that guy that says it. Just got done watching the event and LoL!

Seriously. Device is thinner, has an upgraded camera/cpu and other than the sapphire glass on the camera lens everything else is Android's "been there done that". This thing should sell for 200 bucks, 299 max. Sadly I am willing to bet the masses will pay 400 to 500 dollars for this thing.

Iphone 5? No thanks I don't want to downgrade myself.
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No, you were spot on with what I was trying to say. While I agree that sales will be the ultimate judge of their success, basic marketing concepts tell us that if you're not ahead of the curve, you can't be sustainable. Apple has been fantastic about creating hype and a NEED for their product. I'm wondering how long that can last while they're playing catch up on the feature side.

The fact that Apple has started paying a dividend tells me that even they think the growth seen over the last 3 years isn't sustainable. Competition is fierce now. Apple may still be top dog, but they're doing nothing other than lip service to stay there.
I can agree with this. We're basically speculating that, because they are behind the curve, they are losing momentum and it's only a matter of time before that wave doesn't crest.

It kind of reminds me of when Samsung released the details on the Galaxy S3. People were initially disappointed that the GS3's hardware specs didn't simply blow away the GS2's hardware specs. Until people got the device to review. All of the little things that make the phone more enjoyable to use (Smart Stay, gesture motions, speaking to take a photo, etc) mattered more than making the processor twice as fast and etc etc. That's part of the reason why I picked it to be my device.

I think Apple is stuck in the loop that Android devices were in recent history. Bump the stats as high as you can and hope for the best. Will the better processor matter when you're using the phone on a day-to-day basis? I don't think so. But I use Smart Stay on a daily basis, it makes me wish my tablet had the same feature.

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I know I was really looking for that one feature that would make me say, "Ok, now I could use something like that! I can't wait for something like that on Android." I didn't see it though and that gives me a sad.
This also makes me sad. Had Apple not pushed Siri so hard, we wouldn't have Google Now, or are not very likely to have it, yet. Had they not pushed a smooth OS so much, we wouldn't have the Jelly Bean tweaks or such a push for better cameras in phones.
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