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I've had an iPhone for 4 years and I became a little bored with the simplicity of the phone so I purchased a SG3 a few weeks ago. So far, I've really enjoyed the SG3 but I've come across a few issues. One, I realized in order to get the best battery life, you have to manually turn things off when they're not being used. Two, I've been receiving notifications and I had no clue where they were coming from so I did a little research and I found that certain apps have hidden ads in them. These two things are not that big of a deal, but with the iPhone you don't have to worry with any of those things.

My biggest hurdle was my music. It took a long time to get my music moved over to my SG3 but I've got that done now. However, I still can't display my music through my USB cable in my car. I have to use my auxillary cable to listen to my music and by doing that way, I have to control the music with my phone.

I forgot another issue I've came across. On my iPhone I could use siri with my headphones by pressing the center button on the headphones. I can't do this on my SG3, I have to control S voice with my phone.

I love how the android phone lets you personalize your phone and there's not many boundaries, but I'm very familiar with everything iPhone and I'm just not sure what I want to do. I have two weeks to return my phone so I thought I'd post my concerns on here and see if some of you could give me some info to make me feel more comfortable with keeping my SG3.

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I've had an iPhone for 4 years and I became a little bored with the simplicity of the phone so I purchased a SG3 a few weeks ago. So far, I've really enjoyed the SG3 but I've come across a few issues. One, I realized in order to get the best battery life, you have to manually turn things off when they're not being used. Two, I've been receiving notifications and I had no clue where they were coming from so I did a little research and I found that certain apps have hidden ads in them. These two things are not that big of a deal, but with the iPhone you don't have to worry with any of those things.

My biggest hurdle was my music. It took a long time to get my music moved over to my SG3 but I've got that done now. However, I still can't display my music through my USB cable in my car. I have to use my auxillary cable to listen to my music and by doing that way, I have to control the music with my phone.

I forgot another issue I've came across. On my iPhone I could use siri with my headphones by pressing the center button on the headphones. I can't do this on my SG3, I have to control S voice with my phone.

I love how the android phone lets you personalize your phone and there's not many boundaries, but I'm very familiar with everything iPhone and I'm just not sure what I want to do. I have two weeks to return my phone so I thought I'd post my concerns on here and see if some of you could give me some info to make me feel more comfortable with keeping my SG3.

battery life is just android phones in general.
they use alot of battery. just make sure you end the app by holding down the middle button and press end all or just end the app you want to end.
also try power saving mode. located in the settings.

also if you liked siri. wait for jellybean os to come out. jellybean will have google now wich is just like siri but with its own twist and what not. its better than svoice too. they said the release will be October.

also about the ads that some apps have. well yes some have them but the ones that have them are not professional apps. because official app developers wont add ads in the notification bar.
could you please tell me what apps you are using.

also yes you have to use a auxillary cable to listen music in the car.

id stick with the gs3 because its a powerful phone and samsung really never failed with there galaxy products. i just dont like touchwiz its a bit boring they could of more with it.
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battery life is just android phones in general.
they use alot of battery. just make sure you end the app by holding down the middle button and press end all or just end the app you want to end.
also try power saving mode. located in the settings.

also if you liked siri. wait for jellybean os to come out. jellybean will have google now wich is just like siri but with its own twist and what not. its better than svoice too. they said the release will be October.

also about the ads that some apps have. well yes some have them but the ones that have them are not professional apps. because official app developers wont add ads in the notification bar.
could you please tell me what apps you are using.

also yes you have to use a auxillary cable to listen music in the car.

id stick with the gs3 because its a powerful phone.

Great points. The apps with the issues with ads was craigslist, a baseball game, zedge and some anti virus app (can't remember the name).

I really want to stick with the SG3, but the temptation to go to the iPhone is there considering it's something I'm very familiar with. I've learned a lot about the SG3, but I still have a lot to learn before I'm comfortable with it.
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Great points. The apps with the issues with ads was craigslist, a baseball game, zedge and some anti virus app (can't remember the name).

I really want to stick with the SG3, but the temptation to go to the iPhone is there considering it's something I'm very familiar with. I've learned a lot about the SG3, but I still have a lot to learn before I'm comfortable with it.
craigslist would have ads, baseball game probably would too
i have zedge and not getting any ads and anti virus app shouldn't give ads ether.

i understand that you are familiar with iphone. but it will take time to get use to the new os. its a whole lot diffrent coming from a simple iphone.
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1. What do you mean by "manually turning things off?" Task killers? That actually eats more battery in the long run. The main difference in an iPhone and Android is that Android is capable of true multitasking, while an iPhone is not. Android can allow apps to run in the background, like a real computer can. However, Android also realizes that for some apps left in the background, you aren't using this anymore and will stop them on its own accordingly. Considering you have a new SGS3, a worse battery life is understandable. Android is smart, it learns your app usage pattern as you use it, and adjusts the battery and RAM cache pattern accordingly to get better battery life. Just don't use any task killer, and properly exit an app (exit button or back button), and you won't have problems. Basically, iPhone is as is Apple designed it, while Android will learn how you use your phone and adjust itself, giving you the best battery life possible for your usage patterns. Also, Apple uses weaker processors on their 4S, so definitely weaker procs=better battery life. The 4S uses a dual core A5 chip which was designed by ARM to be cheaper and less battery consuming than the A8 or A9 chips Android uses.

2. It simply may be that the car stereo is not compatible with an MTP protocol.

3. You can use a different assistant app, like Speaktoit, Vlingo or Jeannie from the Play Store if you don't have to use S-Voice if it doesn't suit you. Vlingo is a voice command app that has existed even before Siri (It was available for the 5800 as beta over 3 years ago).
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battery life is just android phones in general.
they use alot of battery. just make sure you end the app by holding down the middle button and press end all or just end the app you want to end.
also try power saving mode. located in the settings.
This is task killing and SHOULD NOT BE DONE. The built in task killer is there only for rogue apps.
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This is task killing and SHOULD NOT BE DONE. The built in task killer is there only for rogue apps.
i use it to end apps that i dont use. i see no problem on killing the apps anyways.
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i use it to end apps that i dont use. i see no problem on killing the apps anyways.
Its because your phone is new still so you don't experience anything yet.

Basically, Android is smart, it remembers the apps you open and use the most, so it preloads it on the RAM for faster access and less battery usage when you open an app from scratch instead of from a cached app. The more you KILL an app, especially one that you don't use, Android reads it as a "usage", so the phone thinks you use this app a lot, more than actual apps you do use. So what happens is the app is constantly preloaded on your RAM, instead of actual apps you do use, making them slower in opening than they would if they were the ones pre-cached. And also use more battery since they are loaded from scratch. At this point that your phone is new, the phone is still learning your usage patterns so its not noticeable YET.



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IMO its not even a choice.
The S3 is superior in almost every way.
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Its because your phone is new still so you don't experience anything yet.

Basically, Android is smart, it remembers the apps you open and use the most, so it preloads it on the RAM for faster access and less battery usage when you open an app from scratch instead of from a cached app. The more you KILL an app, especially one that you don't use, Android reads it as a "usage", so the phone thinks you use this app a lot, more than actual apps you do use. So what happens is the app is constantly preloaded on your RAM, instead of actual apps you do use, making them slower in opening than they would if they were the ones pre-cached. And also use more battery since they are loaded from scratch. At this point that your phone is new, the phone is still learning your usage patterns so its not noticeable YET.



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but if you leave the app there it still running in the background.
some people just press the back button to leave the app and that closes the app. but i dont do that all the time . so thats why i end it.
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but if you leave the app there it still running in the background.
some people just press the back button to leave the app and that closes the app. but i dont do that all the time . so thats why i end it.
All the same, you aren't killing it properly and it counts as a use and it will have the same bad effects as using a task killer improperly. Whether or not your intentions are different, it's still the same to the device. It will still count.
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All the same, you aren't killing it properly and it counts as a use and it will have the same bad effects as using a task killer improperly. Whether or not your intentions are different, it's still the same to the device. It will still count.
how do u end all your apps then.
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how do u end all your apps then.
The proper way of ending an app is using the back button, or the exit button if an app has it. In other apps, using the home button works too. Either way, in a little while Android will detect that you have stopped using an app and will stop it. Except for music players since those are allowed at the system level to keep on playing music on top of everything. You have to pause and/or exit them. I almost never have anything on the built in task manager when you bring it up. Also, I reread your statement and a long press of the home button brings up the app history, not a list of the running apps, on a Galaxy SIII. The apps shown there aren't necessarily running, because whether or not they are running, they will be listed there. You need to look at the task manager to see all running apps.

You should read the articles I posted.

Basically, use an app, if you are finished using it, hit the back button to get out or the exit button if it has one. Or use the home button. Android will keep it in memory so that it will start where you left it but it won't be running anymore or using any battery. This is how to properly use Android. Clearing app history will just make your phone eat more battery by always starting apps from scratch.
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The proper way of ending an app is using the back button, or the exit button if an app has it. In other apps, using the home button works too. Either way, in a little while Android will detect that you have stopped using an app and will stop it. Except for music players since those are allowed at the system level to keep on playing music on top of everything. You have to pause and/or exit them. I almost never have anything on the built in task manager when you bring it up. Also, I reread your statement and a long press of the home button brings up the app history, not a list of the running apps, on a Galaxy SIII. The apps shown there aren't necessarily running, because whether or not they are running, they will be listed there. You need to look at the task manager to see all running apps.

You should read the articles I posted.

Basically, use an app, if you are finished using it, hit the back button to get out or the exit button if it has one. Or use the home button. Android will keep it in memory so that it will start where you left it but it won't be running anymore or using any battery. This is how to properly use Android. Clearing app history will just make your phone eat more battery by always starting apps from scratch.
So you don't recommend ever clearing your app history by selecting remove all and going to task manager and clearing your memory?

Also, I found an app today called Profile Manager. It schedules times to change the settings on your phone. I set up a profile for the night so it goes to silent mode and one for then I'm at work. Is this okay to do? I'm just curious since some of you posted against task killers.
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So you don't recommend ever clearing your app history by selecting remove all and going to task manager and clearing your memory?

Also, I found an app today called Profile Manager. It schedules times to change the settings on your phone. I set up a profile for the night so it goes to silent mode and one for then I'm at work. Is this okay to do? I'm just curious since some of you posted against task killers.
Nope I don't. The only reason the clear memory function is there is for rogue and poorly coded apps that just won't go away and eats up CPU cycles even when not in use. Same for task killers. A use once every now and then is ok, but regular doing so is counterproductive.

The clearing app history and RAM isn't necessarily bad, but it would cause slower start times for often used apps because they aren't cached in memory anymore, or it would be a little bit more troublesome when you suddenly remembered to do something on an app that you just opened a few min ago. Instead of looking for the icon in folders, just hit previous apps and its there. It would also eat up more CPU cycles (hence battery) as previously mentioned. Basically just use Android as how it was meant to be used and everything will be fine.

Profile Manager isn't a task killer. Its just a switcher for silent and ring mode AFAIK.
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Nope I don't. The only reason the clear memory function is there is for rogue and poorly coded apps that just won't go away and eats up CPU cycles even when not in use. Same for task killers. A use once every now and then is ok, but regular doing so is counterproductive.

The clearing app history and RAM isn't necessarily bad, but it would cause slower start times for often used apps because they aren't cached in memory anymore, or it would be a little bit more troublesome when you suddenly remembered to do something on an app that you just opened a few min ago. Instead of looking for the icon in folders, just hit previous apps and its there. It would also eat up more CPU cycles (hence battery) as previously mentioned. Basically just use Android as how it was meant to be used and everything will be fine.

Profile Manager isn't a task killer. Its just a switcher for silent and ring mode AFAIK.

Would you recommend using the rule section of profile manager? I think it's pretty cool that I can tell me phone to be silent at night while I'm asleep and I can set the ringtones and notifications to a lower setting while at work.

I didn't notice something with using this app. When I receive a call, the phone first vibrates for a second, then the ringtone starts at lower volume, then within a 2 seconds or so, the volume increases to the setting I've selected. Kind of weird. Could that be this profile manager app or the ringtones? I didn't notice the ringtones acting like this before I got this app.
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The proper way of ending an app is using the back button, or the exit button if an app has it. In other apps, using the home button works too. Either way, in a little while Android will detect that you have stopped using an app and will stop it. Except for music players since those are allowed at the system level to keep on playing music on top of everything. You have to pause and/or exit them. I almost never have anything on the built in task manager when you bring it up. Also, I reread your statement and a long press of the home button brings up the app history, not a list of the running apps, on a Galaxy SIII. The apps shown there aren't necessarily running, because whether or not they are running, they will be listed there. You need to look at the task manager to see all running apps.

You should read the articles I posted.

Basically, use an app, if you are finished using it, hit the back button to get out or the exit button if it has one. Or use the home button. Android will keep it in memory so that it will start where you left it but it won't be running anymore or using any battery. This is how to properly use Android. Clearing app history will just make your phone eat more battery by always starting apps from scratch.
some apps dont close/exite when u hit the back button or home button. i have checked some apps task manger > active applications. if they dont close they will keep running in the background. its not like iphone where it pauses the app. thats why i end the app.
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some apps dont close/exite when u hit the back button or home button. i have checked some apps task manger > active applications. if they dont close they will keep running in the background. its not like iphone where it pauses the app. thats why i end the app.
Its also not like the iPhone in that android runs on Linux. Your phone doesn't need task killers. Apps in memory aren't taking up battery
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i know the phone dont need task killers. but apps that take up memory makes the phone run slower.
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Androids are for the advanced user with better specs and innovation.
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Android is easy to use. If you want to go back, just press the back button. If the little light on your phone is blinking then you have a new notification. If you want to share a pic to facebook, gmail or whatever, just press and hold on the pic, press share and then the service you want to send it to.
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True for windows, false for Android. Trying to clear apps from memory on Android is futile, as after a few minutes Android will start filling up the memory again. Android runs faster and less battery hog when more RAM is used up. Even if they are listed on "active apps", you will see that not all of them are using CPU, which means they aren't using any resources that will cause increased battery drain or slowing down of the phone.
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