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Old January 6th, 2013, 07:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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SAMSUNG CONFIRM PLANS TO MOVE AWAY FROM ANDROID PLATFORM THIS YEAR

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Old January 6th, 2013, 07:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Fixed your link for you, sntaylor [I think the apostrophe broke things].

I think we've heard rumors before about something like this...surely they'll keep Android app compatibility for using Play Market apps.
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I remember when PDAs were the Next Great Thing® and there were as many PDA operating systems as there were PDA manufacturers. PalmOS and Symbian EPOC were perfectly good PDA operating systems. The fact of life was that the market couldn't bear many versions of the same application program. It's hardly surprising; we go through the same thing every time there are too many competing platforms for developers to support, all the way back to the CP/M (8080/Z80) vs. various 6502 computer platforms of the '70s.

If Samsung wants "more control" over its products, they aren't going to find my wallet open to buy them. To be perfectly frank, one Apple is already too many...
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Samsung have always supported multiple OSs. Some of which its developed itself.. so there's nothing new there. They just don't like to be tied to a single one. So i think the link that you've posted is by people who clearly don't understand anything about the company.


Windows mobile, windows phone, Bada, symbian, android, brew and linux have all existed on samsung devices at the same time.. if Apple had offered them IOS i'm sure we'd have seen that as well.

So 2013 will still see plenty of samsung android (as will 2014, 15 etc...)
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Samsung have always supported multiple OSs. Some of which its developed itself.. so there's nothing new there. They just don't like to be tied to a single one. So i think the link that you've posted is by people who clearly don't understand anything about the company.


Windows mobile, windows phone, Bada, symbian, android, brew and linux have all existed on samsung devices at the same time.. if Apple had offered them IOS i'm sure we'd have seen that as well.

So 2013 will still see plenty of samsung android (as will 2014, 15 etc...)
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Somehow, the statement released from Samsung:

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“We plan to release new, competitive Tizen devices within this year and will keep expanding the lineup depending on market conditions,” Suwon, South Korea-based Samsung said in an e- mailed statement today. The company didn’t elaborate on model specifications, prices or timeframe for their debut.
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Samsung and Android was a Huge success to the mobile industry since the launch of the original Samsung Galaxy S. Sadly, a report from Bloomberg Businessweek confirms that Samsung will begins its plan on moving away from Android platform step by step , by adopting a New fresh OS, which called Tizen
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This isn't new for Samsung. Their low-end Bada phones had (have?) more market share than WP, which they also still make. It's a strategic move to diversify their product line a bit more, and there's probably some financial incentives from Intel on this also. So long as Android holds the largest marketshare by a wide margin and continues to grow, I really don't think Samsung--or anyone else for that matter--will change their overall strategy. After all, how well did that work out for Nokia?
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After all, how well did that work out for Nokia?
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I've never been a big fan of their OS. However, the Note 2 has got me twitching a little.

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I remember when PDAs were the Next Great Thing® and there were as many PDA operating systems as there were PDA manufacturers. PalmOS and Symbian EPOC were perfectly good PDA operating systems.



I do not see it that way. I think what happened were cell phones and cheap laptops and marketing departments telling us we needed these devices. My first laptop was a 486 with a 40 mB HDD and almost no memory compared to today. It cost much cash.

PDAs WERE the next great thing. What happened was cells arrived.

The Palm VII was cool. Wireless Internet. The problem was cells were not happening. More people bought them every year, but not everyone had one or thought they required a cell. And nobody could see why the hell you would want to access the Internet on the go.

I know people that require email access. A few of those people thought it was crazy to need email on the go back when the Palm VII was available.

I ran Palm, the HP whatever and WindowsCE. What drove people to Palm was lots of things. Easy to use, constant flow of new products and legitimate improvements.

For example, we first increased memory. Then devices arrived with a color screen. Then the Palm V and its cool slim design arrived and the wireless Palm VII came to be. Clearly, major upgrades and plenty of minor updates along the way.

We knew how to sell PDAs and that is why we manufactured them for many different companies.

I think we had a matured product line and we were ready to go. We did not, however, have a public hell bent on putting the latest tech in their pockets. We were on time with suitable product but we had bad timing. Perhaps we would be Apple today had a few more pieces fallen into line.
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Samsung is just hedging their bets, covering the bases, etc, etc. Nothing to see here.
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I do not see it that way. I think what happened were cell phones and cheap laptops and marketing departments telling us we needed these devices. My first laptop was a 486 with a 40 mB HDD and almost no memory compared to today. It cost much cash.

PDAs WERE the next great thing. What happened was cells arrived...
Bob, obviously we're in unique positions with our insider knowledge of Palm's history. Back when I was working for Freeborn & Peters, I bought the first generation Palm Pilot at the discount price that we got for representing Palm/USR. (I was also in charge of the pool laptops for the associates' use.) Later on, when I was working elsewhere and was offered a Handspring PDA "as a Christmas gift" from my boss, I declined because I didn't want another electronic leash, and already had a Psion 5mx if I really needed a PDA. (I never really did.)

IME it wasn't cellphones in general, but cellular data in particular, and the merging of all PDA functionality into the phone that did the trick. When I had my Sharp Zaurus, I beta tested a clip-on 2G mobile data product. It never worked very well, and when I was in a restaurant waiting for severe thunderstorms to pass, I was one-upped by someone who had a BlackBerry, and was watching the radar pictures with a lot more ease than my pathetic data modem allowed me to do on my Zaurus.

Pundits had been predicting a synthesis of cell phones and PDAs around that time (c.1999), and they were right on the money for once. I would say that the cellular data service is what saved the PDA more than anything else. Using serial cables and crude computer software to sync a Palm Pilot was a chore back then, and Wi-Fi never became ubiquitous enough to make that access method a real success. As soon as they melded the cellphone, PDA and cellular data to make the smart phone, that was what saved the PDA...by killing it.
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Samsung is just hedging their bets, covering the bases, etc, etc. Nothing to see here.
No doubt Samsung is profiting enough by making the ARM SoC modules for Apple, and would like to continue doing so without having one of their best customers suing them all the time. I can understand why they're doing it from a business POV. But as a consumer I'm not going to rush to embrace yet another embedded OS.
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No doubt Samsung is profiting enough by making the ARM SoC modules for Apple, and would like to continue doing so without having one of their best customers suing them all the time. I can understand why they're doing it from a business POV. But as a consumer I'm not going to rush to embrace yet another embedded OS.
I think it's more of an insurance policy in case the Google/Motorola partnership gets too cozy for their liking. They're too smart to think there's really room for another OS to be successful right now. They're just posturing.
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Isn't Tizen based off Meego? Which means you can install Dalvik on it and run Android apps.
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Isn't Tizen based off Meego?
Basically, yes. It will have a different UI.

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Well, pretty much every company wants to have a full control of software updates and hardware, so I guess that would be a smart move for Samsung. On the other hand, it's a bit risky.
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If you look at the original Bloomberg article that the other article used as a source, it doesn't say Samsung is dropping Android. Just that they will be doing Tizen to "reduce dependence" on Google because of Google's purchase of Motorola. This makes sense to give them other options.

But in my reading of the article doesn't say they are dumping android just reducing reliance.
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Samsung has told this to bloomberg businessweek, i don't think bloomberg is sending news into the world which isn't triple checked upfront. but i'm wondering if they will really step away from android completely. Maybe this is to avoid further lawsuits from apple?
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or maybe also because they want to stop having to pay license fees to a whole lot of their competitors, because you might not know, but for every sold samsung smartphone a whole chunk of the earnings goes to their direct competitors because of patent rights
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or maybe also because they want to stop having to pay license fees to a whole lot of their competitors, because you might not know, but for every sold samsung smartphone a whole chunk of the earnings goes to their direct competitors because of patent rights
except for the phones that they ALREADY sell using their OWN OS... seriously there is no change here.
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