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Old August 22nd, 2013, 12:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default all the paranoia that goes with smart phones..

so....i'm just about done with these phones. Doesn't even seem fun anymore.

If I had the opportunity to buy a cell phone from back in 1995, I would right now.

All the ping'ing...telling the world where we're at all the time...even when GPS is off. All the secret apps our spouses could install on our phones without us knowing...to send them duplicates of all our text messages...who were calling, etc... and even not being able to tell if someone installed that on our phones.

I'm just tired of it all...seriously. Gives me a headaches, and I just want peace of mind happyness again. Even the internet in general just sucks.

no wonder people keep their cell phones attached to their hip these days...practically like another part of their body.

How can we tell if a spouse installed a secret app on our phone...that's sending duplicates of all our texts to them ? I heard the paid version hides everything...and makes it very hard to discover.

take me back to 1995....no texts..no smart phones...no constant pinging every second...none of that crap.

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Sell your smart phone and put your sim in a dumb phone lol problem solved. Think youre in a minority here
P.s you could just turn off internet access
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so....i'm just about done with these phones. Doesn't even seem fun anymore.

All the ping'ing...telling the world where we're at all the time...even when GPS is off.


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All the secret apps our spouses could install on our phones without us knowing...to send them duplicates of all our text messages...who were calling, etc... and even not being able to tell if someone installed that on our phones.
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hmm... sounds like you have more of a problem with your spouse than your phone... and of course those dumbphones could be bugged as well


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I'm just tired of it all...seriously. Gives me a headaches, and I just want peace of mind happyness again. Even the internet in general just sucks.

sell your phone.. computer, tv, and your other belongings, move into a cave and enjoy your new 1795 lifestyle.. i'm sure you'll love it to bits...
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Having a modern day smartphone is a choice. You are not required to have one. If you don't want one, don't own one. It will certainly save on your monthly utilities bill to not be paying for one.

Many people find these phones to make our lives easier and don't believe all the FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) and hype about how intrusive they are. With a little bit of knowledge, some of us have used these phones to make our lives fuller and more social.
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I ADORE my smartphone. If i didnt, id do something else with the money. I dont like traditional computers so i just dont use one
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take me back to 1995....no texts..no smart phones...no constant pinging every second...none of that crap.
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It seems to me that everybody I talk to that wants to go back to dumb phones because these smartphones are going to call in a drone to attack them are a bunch of drama queens. Get over yourselves...nobody gives a s*** about what you post on Facebook or Twitter.


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hmm... sounds like you have more of a problem with your spouse than your phone... and of course those dumbphones could be bugged as well
Actually, based on his recent thread...he's the one hiding things from his SO.
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I'm just tired of it all...seriously. Gives me a headaches, and I just want peace of mind happyness again..
Not hiding porn and/or raunchy texts from your s/o might be a good start toward peace of mind (per your other posts, and this one).

Honestly, paranoia is not a function of what kind of phone you have.
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so...since we have a buncha smart freaks here..

how do we detect a spying app as I mentioned above if someone installed it on our phone...or is there noway to do so ?

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I wouldn't be surprised if people know but don't want to aid in helping somebody engage in infidelity.
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as much as u guys are trying to sound all cool and unbothered by it all...surely some of you already have these apps installed on ur phone without u knowing.

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It's actually pretty difficult to install an app onto a phone without the user being aware of it. Unless the perp has physical access to the phone of course, but then that's a basic Security 101 fail.
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It's actually pretty difficult to install an app onto a phone without the user being aware of it. Unless the perp has physical access to the phone of course, but then that's a basic Security 101 fail.

Marketplace > Install App

not so difficult.

and most people don't have security functions enabled because of it's own nuisances....(having to enter a pin every time just to check a txt message...etc, etc)
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I can honestly say that my life isnt interesting enough for me to worry one tiny bit about anyone snooping. Im not a "smart freak" but im not gullible. I just use my tinfoil for cooking chicken
I do know exactly whats on my phone though. If youre paranoid then maybe it would be better to educate yourself on the tech' instead of hiding from it
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Sell your smart phone and put your sim in a dumb phone lol problem solved. Think youre in a minority here
P.s you could just turn off internet access
How can you tell if you have really turned that off? If the government can turn the phone on, turn the cameras on, or turn the microphone on without your knowing, how can you rely on the phone to retain your privacy?
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ever seen the Bourne Legacy? they know your location soon as you swipe a credit card.
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not so difficult.
The big fat pop-up in your notification bar announcing that "<appname> has been installed" is a bit of a giveaway, though. Not to mention that the perp would need your Google account credentials (username & password> in order to log-in as you to install an app on your handset.
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How can you tell if you have really turned that off? If the government can turn the phone on, turn the cameras on, or turn the microphone on without your knowing, how can you rely on the phone to retain your privacy?
Remove the Access Point Name and the phone just cant connect to the internet
WHY are you hiding from the government though??? Maybe theyre reading this
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Honestly, since I'm not doing anything wrong, i couldn't care less if they know what i had for lunch or where.

Heck if they were spying on me that hard I'd be calling them all the time and asking them about stuff I lost.
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Heck if they were spying on me that hard I'd be calling them all the time and asking them about stuff I lost.
LMAO exactly... it would be great.. plus if i had an emergency or anything they would have the police, ambulance there asap!
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How can we tell if a spouse installed a secret app on our phone...that's sending duplicates of all our texts to them ? I heard the paid version hides everything...and makes it very hard to discover.

I once read this old proverb were basically it said only those with something to hide resent supervision... do you have texts you don't want your spouse seeing?
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Lol im in a stable happy relationship now with no secrets but back in the day when i was "a player", i didnt need a smartphone to drop me in the poop. I had a terrible habit of texting the wrong person on my dumb Nokia and the text sending before i could rip the (removable) battery out. I remember that sick feeling where your heart seems to stop lol. My point is, cheats have always got caught out be it lipstick on your collar or a surveillance app and a player is never truly happy inside anyway. Honesty is healthy so why hide from it? (Sorry for the unusually ungeeky post lol)
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I'm a deer lover and spend more time with animals and could care less about human relationships or marriage. i have nothing to worry about. even Google Now ignores me and only shows the weather lol! i doubt my dog or the one little deer 65 miles away knows how to use Latitude to track my position.
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Remove the Access Point Name and the phone just cant connect to the internet
WHY are you hiding from the government though??? Maybe theyre reading this
As they monitor everything, I am sure they are monitoring this. The question is really, it is worth the effort to destroy the little folk or are they more interested in screwing with more important folk. That said, I have not granted the feds the authority to stick their snouts into my life. They just assumed it and the sheep we call a populace allowed it.
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nothing to hide...just figured more would side with me.

most of you must be young and silly to not understand the full scope of things.. Too divulged into loving the geekyness of your cell apps to understand it all.

you see advertising companies pay for everything these days...what we search for on the net...where we go (from our cell phones) , who we text , the contents of our emails , and practically everything. As much as people like to feel like those things are secure....they really aren't. In fact a lot of the spyware these days are indirectly from advertising companies as well.

the more $ a person is worth...the more they pay for online information on them.

The mobile apps part is just a small piece of the pie.
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you see advertising companies pay for everything these days...what we search for on the net...where we go (from our cell phones) , who we text , the contents of our emails , and practically everything. As much as people like to feel like those things are secure....they really aren't. In fact a lot of the spyware these days are indirectly from advertising companies as well.

the more $ a person is worth...the more they pay for online information on them.
Do you have ANY proof? ANY? Real proof?
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If your really worried about what's installed on your phone, root and get titanium backup, itl show everything on your phone hidden or not. I use hide it pro for stuff like Facebook and kik messenger, just the basic social networking stuff I don't want my brother getting ahold of and messing things up but even those still appear on titanium
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sell your phone.. computer, tv, and your other belongings, move into a cave and enjoy your new 1795 lifestyle.. i'm sure you'll love it to bits...
...but of course then you're that weirdo in the cave that everybody's watching in case you attack.

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It seems to me that everybody I talk to that wants to go back to dumb phones because these smartphones are going to call in a drone to attack them are a bunch of drama queens. Get over yourselves...nobody gives a s*** about what you post on Facebook or Twitter.
Yes and no. To accept constant surveillance easily is to give up all freedom. We can't get away from it but by god we don't have to lay back and take it quietly.

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Honestly, since I'm not doing anything wrong, i couldn't care less if they know what i had for lunch or where.

Heck if they were spying on me that hard I'd be calling them all the time and asking them about stuff I lost.
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nothing to hide...just figured more would side with me.

most of you must be young and silly to not understand the full scope of things.. Too divulged into loving the geekyness of your cell apps to understand it all.

you see advertising companies pay for everything these days...what we search for on the net...where we go (from our cell phones) , who we text , the contents of our emails , and practically everything. As much as people like to feel like those things are secure....they really aren't. In fact a lot of the spyware these days are indirectly from advertising companies as well.

Its not a love afair with our apps at all... most of us get that these "free" services provided by google, facebook and various other service providers are not free at all, the price to a large extent happens to be our privacy. the fact that around 50% of Americans say they are ok with the NSA surveillance kinda shows that people don't care about their privacy as long as they are safe and commodities are cheap.

how do you think google is selling their nexus lines or amazon is selling their kindles at or below cost? its the advertizing that keep them so cheap.

how would you like it if you had to pay a $30 a month subscription to use google search, google voice, google chat or any of the other services we get for free (including free services provided by MS, yahoo, amazon etc)?

Dont get me wrong I think we have a right to privacy and there are lines that should not be crossed. The moment google (or the government without a warrant) starts trying to use Xray or something to see into our houses, for instance is a line I would fight hard to keep.
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The moment google (or the government without a warrant) starts trying to use Xray or something to see into our houses, for instance is a line I would fight hard to keep.
This kind of stuff is in the news in the US pretty regularly...a new technology to look through walls and see what's on your computer screen or what you're doing or whatever, and the potential twisting of law that allows it to be used without a warrant, etc. Most recently the big to-do was about legislation to allow drones to be used domestically in all kinds of awful ways.
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nothing to hide...just figured more would side with me.

most of you must be young and silly to not understand the full scope of things.. Too divulged into loving the geekyness of your cell apps to understand it all.

you see advertising companies pay for everything these days...what we search for on the net...where we go (from our cell phones) , who we text , the contents of our emails , and practically everything. As much as people like to feel like those things are secure....they really aren't. In fact a lot of the spyware these days are indirectly from advertising companies as well.

the more $ a person is worth...the more they pay for online information on them.

The mobile apps part is just a small piece of the pie.
Look, im 37 and believe it or not, im far from silly. I dont mind advertisers paying for my ANONYMOUS data in exchange for a service.. and i much prefer targeted ads to lowest common denominator crap.
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Scared people with half a brain are responsible for a lot of the horrors in this world but im not gona get political.
If you dont like the internet or smartphones.. why are you on a smartphone internet forum seeking approval? Sorry but it seems crazy to me. Like why do conspiracy theorists spend so much time online where their conversations can be so easily monitored?
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Actually, you can still get those dumbphones like they sold years ago.
No data plan, just minutes, and even text is an optional add on.
I am sure that there are still ways to 'bug' those types of phones as well, with access to the right technology, but most of those types of apps ask for your permission, so unless your spouse has your phone when you don't know about it, you should be okay.
You know, I say this a lot lately, but if anyone I know wants to monitor my activities, they are going to become quickly bored and move on, so unless your life is akin to an international spy, or you regularly take part in some rather clandestine activities, your spouse (or whoever) will probably see that there is no point in this, and move on rather quickly.
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Do you have ANY proof? ANY? Real proof?
Of course he doesn't.
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your spouse (or whoever) will probably see that there is no point in this, and move on rather quickly.
Here's what he's hiding...I don't think she's going to move on quickly.

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I think it's called Audio Manager now (disguised) .

But still after google searching the last hour, I can't find 1 specific thread that tells you where the hidden folder location is. Some say it's at Vault, or MyVault...others say its at ProgramData. But all these folders are always empty, even when "showing hidden files" is enabled. So how do they do this ?

I'm almost startin to believe our data is hidden on their servers somewhere. thoughts ? Is anybody able to save or get it to work without an internet connection ?

trying to hide my porn collection from my girlfriend...she usually finds everything.
Not cool. I sympathize with his distrust of outside sources knowing everything he's doing....but this, I will not assist with infidelity.
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Not cool. I sympathize with his distrust of outside sources knowing everything he's doing....but this, I will not assist with infidelity.
He's just hiding his porno collection (unless he's revealed others stuff in his posts). I hardly think that should be called infidelity, he shouldn't be hiding this stuff but it's not like he's cheating on her imho.
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Of course he doesn't.

How do you guys think targeted advertising works? Companys pay for information about your browsing habits, your location, who you know, where you shop etc.

facebook would be worth zero dollars if companies didnt buy this stuff.

Target, a retail store, follows what people buy and determines if they may be getting pregnant in the future, and sends out coupons for baby items to those customers. Not from buying obvious stuff either like diapers or something.

i accidentally ran across a website where I could buy 1 million americans names, address and phone numbers for about $15. I might try to dig it up, but I really wish it didnt exist in the first place.
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Whether porn is or isnt cheating is different for each relationship and probably not for an android forum to speculate on lol (if it was id have devorced my wife by now but thats another thread lol. imo only lying about it is is cheating)
Although the op has gotten offensive and personal by implying that were stupid and immature, i dont think we should sink to that level and we should keep it technical peeps
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How do you guys think targeted advertising works? Companys pay for information about your browsing habits, your location, who you know, where you shop etc.

facebook would be worth zero dollars if companies didnt buy this stuff.

Target, a retail store, follows what people buy and determines if they may be getting pregnant in the future, and sends out coupons for baby items to those customers. Not from buying obvious stuff either like diapers or something.

i accidentally ran across a website where I could buy 1 million americans names, address and phone numbers for about $15. I might try to dig it up, but I really wish it didnt exist in the first place.
I'm not denying targeted advertising, not at all. The TS is just a bit of a paranoid fella.
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I think everyone here knows how data mining and targeted advertising works lol. As i said, we arent stupid. The point is that WE DONT CARE. we accept it as a valid business model and we tap "i agree" with our eyes wide open
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How do you guys think targeted advertising works? Companys pay for information about your browsing habits, your location, who you know, where you shop etc.

facebook would be worth zero dollars if companies didnt buy this stuff.

Target, a retail store, follows what people buy and determines if they may be getting pregnant in the future, and sends out coupons for baby items to those customers. Not from buying obvious stuff either like diapers or something.

i accidentally ran across a website where I could buy 1 million americans names, address and phone numbers for about $15. I might try to dig it up, but I really wish it didnt exist in the first place.
I work in Advertising, Marketing and Branding. Are you trying to tell me that advertising is the same as spying? The same as gathering personal data?

I have worked for some of the largest tech companies. Some of their names are mentioned in this forum often. VERY often. I have been charged with millions of dollars in advertising budget and overseen international advertising purchases. I have met with some of the largest advertisers in the world across all advertising mediums. And NEVER have I found out about an individual I was advertising to.

If you knew 1% about advertising you would know what CPM means. Look it up.
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gtbarry dropping some knowledge in this thread!
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Yup some people dont understand that although their individual habits are valuable to advertisers, its just faceless information, its anonymous. i do enjoy these debates but is it just me or is this particular debate becoming more and more common lol? Why is that?

P.s. whats CPM mate?
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Yup some people dont understand that although their individual habits are valuable to advertisers, its just faceless information, its anonymous. i do enjoy these debates but is it just me or is this particular debate becoming more and more common lol? Why is that?

P.s. whats CPM mate?
Here you go ...

CPM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Sorry.. i should have said "in this context, what is CPM?"
Thanks for teaching me about this new site Wikipedia though. Wish id known about that years ago jk. Take it its the Cost Per Mile one mate?
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Sorry.. i should have said "in this context, what is CPM?"
Thanks for teaching me about this new site Wikipedia though. Wish id known about that years ago
I'm sorry ... thought perhaps google was'nt your friend any more

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