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Old September 8th, 2013, 10:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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As some of you know, I have proudly maintained my rootlessness for over two years, mostly due to brickophobia. Well, yesterday, bored enough to watch videos about how easy rooting is, I said the hell with it, I can always buy another phone. So, armed with that courage...

First, from my folder full of root-somedays, I tried How to Root the Huawei Ascend II (Straight Talk), using Poot. I followed its instructions step by step, but just like it mentioned, it couldn’t pass its root check because it didn’t see ‘su.’ Assuming that was superuser, I installed that and it still didn’t pass. So I uninstalled all of it, installed su first, then tried Poot, same non-result. Uninstalled again, try something else...

I went to the mothership and tried Rooting Your Ascend II. It also failed and also let me uninstall and move on to something else here that I’ve lost track of. It had me goof with my PC’s ADB settings, probably unecessarily, and that severed my holy USB connection. The only way to restore that, having spent another hour looking for an easy escape, was the dreaded Factory Reset. Then, of course, another two hours to get most everything back the way it was, but still not quite done.

It was a classic wasted day. I wound up right where I started and have to be grateful for that. I have a local acquaintance that has offered to root it for me, but outside of calling him, I don’t think I will ever bother to try this again. After all, I don’t know about you all, but I have never really needed to root my phone, have just wanted to out of spite for having my carrier fill most of my internal memory with junk.

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I hear that, buddy, and I am right there with you.
I don't feel that for my personal needs the risk is worth the reward.
I don't have any issues using my unrooted Android smartphones.
Got a kick out of your confession, though!
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I don't feel that for my personal needs the risk is worth the reward.
I've felt the same way over my Android years.

While rooting has its many benefits, I don't want to risk screwing up a $300 (or more) device. But if I ever come across an older phone someone is getting rid of I might experiment with it.


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After all, I don’t know about you all, but I have never really needed to root my phone
Nope, me neither.
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Wow, an unrooted moderator! You must be one of a kind...
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In so many ways!
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Well, all I'll say is to each his/her own. Rooting isn't for everybody and I can respect that. Especially if you're not comfortable with it. Can't say the same for myself though.
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I'm not sure I ought to explain what 'rooting' is in Australia. Let it suffice to say that most of us don't root for our sporting heroes...
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I can tell you this though, sorry to have to hear your confessional, but once you do root, you will see what it is all about, and the many options you have. Once root you will never go back, JMO

I agree though, if your not comfortable then you be best to hold off. Some phones are definitely easier to root then others depending on the popularity of the phone and the actual popularity of Devs. The more Devs on a device, then usually there are more ways to root and keep up with the development of the device. Also some of the manufacture don't want users rooting their device so they make it harder by locking down their bootloaders etc...
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I have no doubt that that is true. Not having to selectively downgrade apps just so they fit in what’s left of my memory would be a welcome change. And that’s why I just tried to root, couldn’t, left to sit and wonder about the grass on the other side.
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For me, there's been next to no problems, and I would say it has definitely been worth the "risk" although the main risk is when you're flashing radios (which is usually not necessary)
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I almost think that I should factory reset first, to have a clean slate, then install superuser, then do the poot, then put everything back. But that won’t necessarily do anything but put me at square one again...
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I haven't rooted either--for a variety of reasons. This usually generates shocked/stunned reactions. "WHAT?! That Linux nerd has un-rooted phones?!" Yep.

Prior to ordering my first Android phone, I was 100% sure that I would root it. From everything I'd read, it was a no-brainer that I would want my phone rooted. And then it arrived--and I started looking for instructions and files for rooting it, and came up with NOTHING but window$ stuff. I was incredulous. I mean, really, a LINUX-based operating system that needs a window$ PC in order to root? I finally gave up.

Then I got my second Android phone, and my third. Ditto for the above experience. Nothing for Linux PCs.

BUT! In the meantime, I realized that I truly didn't care--or NEED to be rooted. Sure, I'd like to have the full suite of *nix commands available to me when I'm at a prompt on the phone, but other than that there really are no compelling reasons to root. I have not been limited in any way as far as what *I* do on my phones, so why bother?

I leave my geekiness to my computers, and use my phone to play games and do a few other things that don't need root.
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I can't imagine not rooting my device. Some of the apps I use depend on it, and I can't stand the bloat crap carriers put on the device and the unneeded use of bandwidth and battery they can cause.


There are some that do not find the need to root, and/or are not comfortable doing it. That is fine, as it is not for everyone. The users of android powered devices vary to a wide degree, and each have their own uses and needs that they got the device for....
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It's getting to the point when root is no longer necessary. Why do you root? to get more space, uninstall some apps to make phone faster, get rom, overclock. Well most new phones have more than enough space, usless apps no longer slow it down, standard rom has more than enough customizations, no lag so overclocking is not needed. So unless you are just into rooting, its getting really pointless.
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It's getting to the point when root is no longer necessary. Why do you root? to get more space, uninstall some apps to make phone faster, get rom, overclock. Well most new phones have more than enough space, usless apps no longer slow it down, standard rom has more than enough customizations, no lag so overclocking is not needed. So unless you are just into rooting, its getting really pointless.
Well, what if you can't afford the latest and greatest when it comes to phones? What if you want to give your older phone a bit more longevity by keeping up performance wise with the newer phones? What if you don't like stock Android? I could probably list more reasons but that should be more than enough.
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I wouldn't say that it is pointless. My device has plenty of power and space and I don't over clock it, but there are other reasons for rooting, with one of them being carrier blocked apps. Although I don't use it, I had a friend with the same phone and because his ROM was Boost labeled the Bing app was blocked (not supported by carrier), yet I could get it being Sprint labeled.
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I have a galaxy s4 and have been contemplating a root. But, I honestly don't think I'll ever need to, coming from an iPhone 4 this beast does anything I need it to. Laziness is also a big factor...
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I think that, if you rooted previous devices, you're much more inclined to root subsequent ones whether or not it's actually necessary. It's habit-forming.

p.s. thread moved to Android Lounge to get a wider audience.
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Well I buy all my Androids on fleabay. Only use MVNOs no mainline carriers. I do a little research on Phonescoop & look at what they're selling for. Then I come here & XDA seeing about rootiness. I get less & less scared about rooting. But I just changed from a Droid X2 to an Atrix 2. I was panicked for a day or two. LOL. So far I've rooted an Eris, Incredible, Droid X, Droid X2 & now an Atrix 2. I stopped using custom ROMs though. And I don't uninstall preinstalled apps or system apps I just freeze them now.
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I'm starting to agree with a lot of folks around here that since 4.0+, phones really don't need to be rooted and ROM'd like they used to.
However, that being said, there's a few things that I would like to do with my phone which require root (TiBu, Nandroids, wifi hotspot etc). And, with getting a phone filled with bloat as my S3 is, it just makes sense to get rid of it. Looking at new ones like the HTC One and Note 3, they seem to be getting it. I would likely root either should I purchase one, but the modifications would be far less than my OG Droid days.
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You guys have phones that..... aren't....rooted?!?!?


Rooting is the very first thing I do a soon as I get a phone in hand. Won't own one without it.
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Even as a matter of principal, any phone geek should unlock root access because we can and because its rediculous that we even have to do it in a sneaky way instead of just flipping a switch in dev options imo
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I have never rooted for any of the reasons the non rooted users seem to think are the reasons for root.

I don't delete pre-installed apps and I don't over clock.

I root for command line access, titanium backup, moving my own ringtones and notifications to /system, changing my boot animation or at least silencing it, and in the case of the Note 2; all apps in multi-view.

I unlock the bootloader because the developers add features to their ROMs that I think should be put there by Google.
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Rooting is the very first thing I do a soon as I get a phone in hand. Won't own one without it.
Just curious, do you only have Linux computers available to you, and/or did you root your phones using Linux computers?

I honestly haven't even thought about rooting my Atrix 2 lately. I gave up when I first got it and could find nothing for rooting on Linux computers. I have no idea if there are such things available now, but if others here have been able to root their phones from Linux then I may take another look.
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It's getting to the point when root is no longer necessary. Why do you root? to get more space, uninstall some apps to make phone faster, get rom, overclock. Well most new phones have more than enough space, usless apps no longer slow it down, standard rom has more than enough customizations, no lag so overclocking is not needed. So unless you are just into rooting, its getting really pointless.
This is how I feel. My first Android was the Huawei Ascend, and it needed help just to function properly. Pathetic amount of memory, 600 mhz processor, and stuck on 2.1. Skipped over Froyo to CM7 Gingerbread with Darktremor's App2SD that put all of the app on SD card, and overclocked the processor a bit. It was still slow as hell, but useable. The Huawei Mercury was much nicer, a midrange GB phone with 1.4ghz single core processor. Still runs smooth and does anything I would need it to do. I rooted it because it was so easy using Poot, but really only used it for Ad Free. My GS3 I haven't even rooted, the bloat argument is outdated when you can disable and hide the offending apps in a junk folder. You don't even see them. Rooting and flashing ROMs was fun when I was trying to squeeze every last drop of performance from my junk phone, but for most modern, even mid level phones, it's not really necessary anymore. Biggest upgrade to me from the Mercury to the S3 is the big beautiful screen.
Not that there's anything wrong with tinkering if that's what you're into. It just seems like there's no such thing as a bug free custom ROM. They always seem to have that one last thing that never gets fixed before the developer moves on to something else.
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....My GS3 I haven't even rooted, the bloat argument is outdated when you can disable and hide the offending apps in a junk folder. You don't even see them....
Is this just for the GS3? Or is there an app that'll disable bloatware without root?
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Is this just for the GS3? Or is there an app that'll disable bloatware without root?
On my Atrix 2, which is still running ICS, by the way, I was able to disable apps I didn't want, such as Facebook, via System Settings. IOW, without root and without anything extra.
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On my Atrix 2, which is still running ICS, by the way, I was able to disable apps I didn't want, such as Facebook, via System Settings. IOW, without root and without anything extra.
Really no app from Play.
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As some of you know, I have proudly maintained my rootlessness for over two years, mostly due to brickophobia. Well, yesterday, bored enough to watch videos about how easy rooting is, I said the hell with it, I can always buy another phone. So, armed with that courage...

First, from my folder full of root-somedays, I tried How to Root the Huawei Ascend II (Straight Talk), using Poot. I followed its instructions step by step, but just like it mentioned, it couldn’t pass its root check because it didn’t see ‘su.’ Assuming that was superuser, I installed that and it still didn’t pass. So I uninstalled all of it, installed su first, then tried Poot, same non-result. Uninstalled again, try something else...

I went to the mothership and tried Rooting Your Ascend II. It also failed and also let me uninstall and move on to something else here that I’ve lost track of. It had me goof with my PC’s ADB settings, probably unecessarily, and that severed my holy USB connection. The only way to restore that, having spent another hour looking for an easy escape, was the dreaded Factory Reset. Then, of course, another two hours to get most everything back the way it was, but still not quite done.

It was a classic wasted day. I wound up right where I started and have to be grateful for that. I have a local acquaintance that has offered to root it for me, but outside of calling him, I don’t think I will ever bother to try this again. After all, I don’t know about you all, but I have never really needed to root my phone, have just wanted to out of spite for having my carrier fill most of my internal memory with junk.

There, that’s my Sunday Confession.
Poot worked fine on my Mercury, I noticed that link you posted said not to download it straight to the phone, but I did with no problem. Did it prompt you to download Ministro? Anyway, the best place for support for the A2 is Unleashed Prepaids. Those guys are cool and I'm sure they could help you out.

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for me i will always root my phones. the freedom far out weigh the risks....plus it is pretty hard to brick a phone......the key to it is do your research ahead of time. read as much as you can and come here to AF and ask as many questions as you need.....then root your phone.

my rooted phone runs faster and has a much better battery life then a non rooted phone.
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I noticed that link you posted said not to download it straight to the phone
I did what these complete strangers told me:
Downloading Required Files:

1. Poot APK (Download link’s given in the first post, in step-1)
2. Miinistro II APK (Download link’s given in the first post, in step-2)

Rooting the Huawei Ascend II (Straight Talk):

1. Download and place both the APKs onto your Desktop.
2. Connect your device to your PC using the USB cable.
3. Copy both the APKs over to the root of your SD card.
4. Once the APKs are copied, unplug the device from your PC.
5. On your device, head to Menu>>Settings>>Security and enable Unknown sources option.
6. Now, open File Manager and install both the APKs one by one.
7. Once both are installed, launch the Poot app first.
8. It’ll download some library files so you’ve to wait for a few minutes.
9. Once it’s done, tap the button labeled as Press here to poot.
10. It’ll begin rooting the device.
11. Once it’s done, reboot the device.
12. Open the Poot app once again and tap the button labeled as Built-in root check.
13. After the root access is confirmed, head over to Google Play and install the Superuser app.
14. You’re all done!

When I started poot, it installed the Miinistro libraries then rebooted slowly, making me think I was crossing the finish line. But once it rebooted and I tried poot’s root test, it couldn’t find ‘su,’ which I already had installed, assuming ‘su’ means ‘superuser.’

I tried all that again today and wound up where I was yesterday morning.
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Just tried it again so I could dictate its message:

A demon has materialized while pooting. Error code: 87.
su binary was not written
you need to restart your device (which I did).

Path is:
“/sbin:/vendor/bin:/system/sbin:system/bin:/system/xbin”


I have no idea what any of that means, maybe you do...
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Just tried it again so I could dictate its message:

A demon has materialized while pooting. Error code: 87.
su binary was not written
you need to restart your device (which I did).

Path is:
“/sbin:/vendor/bin:/system/sbin:system/bin:/system/xbin”


I have no idea what any of that means, maybe you do...
I remember getting some kind of error message on my Mercury, but it was still rooted. I can't remember if I installed Superuser before or after. Sorry, I'm not that technical and it was a long time ago.
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But once it rebooted and I tried poot’s root test, it couldn’t find ‘su,’ which I already had installed, assuming ‘su’ means ‘superuser.’
Terms are getting confused here. In *nix, su is a command; it allows users to run things as other users--including root. On *nix, root is the all-powerful superuser. So, yes, su can mean superuser, but superuser is not something you install in place of su.

If it's telling you it couldn't find su, it's talking about the Linux command su, not something called superuser that you installed.
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I did have a feeling that su referred to something else, since it originally said to install superuser after I root, but when the error came up, I was clutching at straw.
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But I did find this:

Assuming everything worked as it should, Poot will have written an su binary in /system/xbin. This binary goes with the Superuser app (not the SuperSU one). You'll want to install Superuser from the play store to finish the process and allow apps to use the su binary.
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Something that will always make me root, besides having complete control over my device is custom roms. Even when a manufacturer is slow on updates or abandons a phone, I know I can always turn to the modding community to put some more life into my phone.

I'm really happy with my Galaxy S4 right now, and rooting and installing the Google Edition rom has been like a dream come true. Add a little xposed framework and it's literally the perfect device for me.

Also, thanks to root, lots of my tasks are automated now. Don't even have to think about them. Such as auto-toggling GPS when I launch certain applications(and turning it back off when I exit to save battery), automated backups of everything on my device, then another automated backup to copy that information to my personal computer on my home network.

Being able to transfer all the application data back and forth is great too. Saves a lot of time.

Rooting is can be a scary proposition for people because you're venturing into unknown territory. The way I always explain it is akin to how people view desktop PC's. If you ask someone if they'd be willing to give up administrator access on a PC, most people would say no way. Now apply that same concept to your Android device. Because it's just a portable computer with communication radios, after all.
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Even as a matter of principal, any phone geek should unlock root access because we can and because its rediculous that we even have to do it in a sneaky way instead of just flipping a switch in dev options imo
This is the kind of thing I miss from webOS.
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I rooted my Samsung the day I got it in a hotel room, because that's what you do. Although I haven't actually done anything that requires root though, no need so far.
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I rooted my Samsung the day I got it in a hotel room, because that's what you do. Although I haven't actually done anything that requires root though, no need so far.
Uh, Mikedt.....isn't what you do in a hotel room supposed to be your own business?
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Not these days, we tweet, blog, Facebook, Google+ and post on forums everything that we do.
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I almost think that I should factory reset first, to have a clean slate, then install superuser, then do the poot, then put everything back. But that won’t necessarily do anything but put me at square one again...
Tried it that way and it wound up just as I suspected... like I said, forever rootless.
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Rooting - essential for GB phones (at least for the Wildfire S, to overclock and move/link Apps to an SD card) less need in ICS and later. I'm in the process of investigating root for my Xperia U, to O/C it and ust Titanium and do a Nandroid. I might root my Huawei Y300 later, but that's very smooth and has plenty of space on an 8GB SD card. Also I don't mind Huawei's UI that much.
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For my needs and wants, everything is fine with this cheapy Ascend except internal memory, which is hogged by crap I never use, like Google+. That, not fancier ROMs, is my only motivation to root.

Right now, I have about ten apps that I’ve had to downgrade just to fit everything in. And having to downgrade a banking app makes me a bit nervous, even though I hardly ever use it.

I am increasingly surprised that not even one carrier has seen the market in a pre-rooted Android.
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Just curious, do you only have Linux computers available to you, and/or did you root your phones using Linux computers?

I honestly haven't even thought about rooting my Atrix 2 lately. I gave up when I first got it and could find nothing for rooting on Linux computers. I have no idea if there are such things available now, but if others here have been able to root their phones from Linux then I may take another look.
I rooted my wife's ancient T-mobile G1 the other day with the assistance of my linux rig (running Ubuntu 13.10 pre-release). The adb and fastboot tools are now in the standard ubuntu/debian repositories, so if in theory your root method involves .bat files that are invoking adb or fastboot, you should simply translate the .bat file commands to compatible .sh script, make sure adb and fastboot are installed, and hit the gas.
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I rooted my wife's ancient T-mobile G1 the other day with the assistance of my linux rig (running Ubuntu 13.10 pre-release). The adb and fastboot tools are now in the standard ubuntu/debian repositories, so if in theory your root method involves .bat files that are invoking adb or fastboot, you should simply translate the .bat file commands to compatible .sh script, make sure adb and fastboot are installed, and hit the gas.
In the past, all I found were window$ files, including executables. So that was always a dead end. (I can't recall now if I tried running them via wine, but if I did they didn't work.)

I just checked Synaptic and there's no sign of ADB or fastboot--but I'm still on 12.04.
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In the past, all I found were window$ files, including executables. So that was always a dead end. (I can't recall now if I tried running them via wine, but if I did they didn't work.)

I just checked Synaptic and there's no sign of ADB or fastboot--but I'm still on 12.04.
Interesting. Specifically, I used:

sudo apt-get install android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot

And it both installed and set up the proper paths so I can invoke them from CLI whilst anywhere in the file system.
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