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Old September 13th, 2013, 09:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Guys,

I'm in the UK and listen to US Rock Stations either directly off their web sites or using TuneIn Radio.
Because of royalty payments many stations have recently blocked access to their stream from non US IP addresses. No problem I can easily connect on my PC by using a VPN server in the US using Hot Spot Shield or similar. The radio station thinks I'm in the US, simple.
However, when I try this using a VPN on my mobile (Nexus 4 Android 4.3) it doesn't work even though my IP address is being shown as being in the US. It doesn't work with a 3G mobile connection nor using Wi-Fi.
My conclusion is that the phone itself must be somehow revealing that I am in the UK, even though the IP address is in the US??

Anyone know how this is happening and how to fix the problem, I've turned off "Location Access" on the phone but it makes no difference. How does the Radio Stations' server know I'm in the UK?

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Guys,

I'm in the UK and listen to US Rock Stations either directly off their web sites or using TuneIn Radio.
Because of royalty payments many stations have recently blocked access to their stream from non US IP addresses. No problem I can easily connect on my PC by using a VPN server in the US using Hot Spot Shield or similar. The radio station thinks I'm in the US, simple.
However, when I try this using a VPN on my mobile (Nexus 4 Android 4.3) it doesn't work even though my IP address is being shown as being in the US. It doesn't work with a 3G mobile connection nor using Wi-Fi.
My conclusion is that the phone itself must be somehow revealing that I am in the UK, even though the IP address is in the US??

Anyone know how this is happening and how to fix the problem, I've turned off "Location Access" on the phone but it makes no difference. How does the Radio Stations' server know I'm in the UK?

Thanks in advance,

Charles
It's generally not the phone. First thing are you using a free or a paid VPN? I'll assume free based on what's happening. The main issue with free VPN services, is their servers are often completely overloaded, and are either not available at all or are very slow. So basically there's just not enough bandwidth to stream. Or something else that can happen, the US stations know the IP address ranges of the free VPN services and block them. I know Hulu does this.

Best solution is to go for a paid service. I use Astrill VPN, mainly because I'm in China.
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I use the Hideninja app from Play store. Its a cheap one off payment. It works for netflix so id guess it will work with US internet radio
Im in UK btw
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I've already tried Hideninja, doesn't work, they still know I'm in the UK.
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I think first you need to understand what true VPN is.
VPN stands for Virtual Private Network.
A VPN is designed to route all or some traffic through a remote network.

These free/cheap VPNs available via the app stores are usually HTTP and HTTPS only VPNs.

You will want a full VPN, with this full vpn you can connect using pptp via your android device or you could use Open VPN.

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Thanks, but the vpn IS changing my IP address to a US one, I can check this on "What's my IP" etc. So how are they detecting that I am actually in another location?
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Thanks, but the vpn IS changing my IP address to a US one, I can check this on "What's my IP" etc. So how are they detecting that I am actually in another location?
TuneIn may have course location via mobile network.
Your timezone may give it away.
Your phone model may be a non US model.

I'd suggest trying another radio service.
 
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As I said it doesn't work on 3G or Wi-Fi, so can't be anything to do with the mobile connection.
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As I said it doesn't work on 3G or Wi-Fi, so can't be anything to do with the mobile connection.
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As I said it doesn't work on 3G or Wi-Fi, so can't be anything to do with the mobile connection.
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TuneIn may have course location via mobile network.
Your timezone may give it away.
Your phone model may be a non US model.


I'd suggest trying another radio service.
I refer to my previous post...
Bottom line, If they detect your phone model via meid there is no way around it.

EDIT: Short of buying a U.S. phone of course.
 
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Thanks guys but I think your a bit off the mark here. The radio stations have been forced to do this to avoid substantial copyright payments for International streaming, they'd much prefer their station to be listened to worldwide. If I was a station manager I would comply simply by say if we get a connection from a non US IP address we'll block it. I wouldn't go into other complications. Also what if I was using my phone on Wi-Fi the in the US, would it connect?
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TuneIn may have course location via mobile network.
Your timezone may give it away.
Your phone model may be a non US model.

I'd suggest trying another radio service.
TuneIn is definitely geo-restricted based on course location. I now find it can only get Chinese stations, even with a VPN. I gave up with it. Resco is worth a try, found it gets many US stations no problem.
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What does "course location" mean mate?
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What does "course location" mean mate?
Sure it's your approximate location based on cellular signals and towers, and fine location info is GPS.
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But it doesn't work with my phone connected via Wi-Fi, so it can't be to do with cellular location. When I connect with Wi-Fi I have no cellular signal.
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True..... my head hurts
So how does Play store know our location (even over wifi and using vpn)?
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AFAIK WiFi can geo-locate as well. Hasn't Google been driving all those Streetview cars around logging WiFi signals and their locations?

In fact if you go into the phone's location setting, you'll see Use wireless networks, cellular signals and/or WiFi.

I'm sure the Play store uses the carrier info. In my case "China Mobile Samsung i8552" makes it kind of obvious....LOL.
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