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Old November 17th, 2013, 01:16 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Funky, be really careful. Most guides I've read say not to move to ART if you're on a custom ROM. It screwed up my Gnex when I tried it (was on Shiny's 4.4 ROM). Everything FC's on you and I have to nandroid back.
If you do decide to give it a shot, know that it can take a LONG time. I don't have too many apps on my Gnex and it took around 25min to convert.
Good luck, just be sure to have a backup on your device if you give it a try.
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Thanx Dan. Im always backed up and not even gona do it till the kk roms are more established mate.
Tbh im mega impressed by the speed and battery life im getting now on a 4.3.1 rom lol.
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Is the battery performance improved using ART or just placibo?
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I can't wait to try this out.

I just "unlocked" the developer options by messing around 😁
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Wow.

Ok i know benchmarks are a bit meh but this is the difference after fresh reboot from a cm based unofficial build running quadrant uploadfromtaptalk1385112368485.jpg

Then i changed to ART and it took like 10mins to boot and got this uploadfromtaptalk1385112429370.jpg
Cant really argue with that tbh n i can feel it while multitasking.
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Dalvik only does a little bit of optimization ahead of time though - most is done at run time, and that optimization gets stored in RAM instead of the persistent Dalvik cache
Sounds like it's tokenising i.e. optimising for the java interpretter. You have to wonder why they didn't go the whole hog and simply compile to create an executable
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Grrr. Now have KK on my G2. Should I take the plunge?

Edit: Nevermind. This ROM is deodexed which isn't compatible with ART.
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Try n get some before benchmarks. Wish id done more than quadrant. Can feel it though, keyboard feels faster than my thumbs and scrolling down a list is beautiful. Maybe its placebo lol idk
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Something ive noticed is that .gifs are instantly loaded and playing as i scroll through my g+ news feed (with horrible 3g data). I used to have to open them and watch that circle spin for at least 10secs :-)
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Funky, be really careful. Most guides I've read say not to move to ART if you're on a custom ROM. It screwed up my Gnex when I tried it (was on Shiny's 4.4 ROM). Everything FC's on you and I have to nandroid back.
If you do decide to give it a shot, know that it can take a LONG time. I don't have too many apps on my Gnex and it took around 25min to convert.
Good luck, just be sure to have a backup on your device if you give it a try.
So far, ART works decently with OmniROM builds. I just don't use it since half my apps are incompatible.
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Can you name a few popular apps that arent compatible plz bro?
Titanium doesnt seem to be working for me but that could be other factors lol
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Would a Titanium backup of ART re-compiled apps be incompatible with a rom set to dalvic?

I'm just thinking that switching between the two frequently for testing would be incompatible with backing up recent updates to apps, as you would end up with a mix of ART- and dalvic-compatible apps in your titanium backup folder, meaning that at any one time, you would never have all your apps compatible depending on whether you were set to ART or dalvik.
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Please see http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-4-4-kitkats-art-and-app-compatibility/ and follow the links at the end.

Titanium Backup is NOT compatible at this time.

XDA said in a previous news story that this had nothing to do with FlexyCore.

I don't know if they had information or if that was an opinion. If opinion, I'll stand by mine fwiw.
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I hope this means they are finally getting the fluid and stutter-free experience that iOS has had since day one, it only took them what? 4 years? has always been one of the most annoying things about Android which makes it feel half put-together. i just switched to ART and waiting for the 'android is upgrading' part to finish. just started using GE and it feels a bit like Facebook Home a bit, kinda surprised it's not all cards and WebOS clonies. like how they optimized the notification area (no more redundant icons for 'this app has successfully installed' taking up the status bar, hate clutter). not sure what exactly to think of it just yet as i'm still restoring ~200+ apps and games. i DO however like that they finally made voice control automatic, all i need is to say 'ok google' and there it goes. that's one step above the iPhone (no hitting home button) and no need to load Google Now first.
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You just had to throw in a rant mate didnt you lol. So how are you finding it with ART?
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really nice with ART. apps launch almost instantly, phone never random reboots when i got Play Music backgrounded, and no 'micro stutter' when launching games or scrolling. BlueTooth works too, it thought it died as it ceased to function entirely in Carbon recently. Play Music used to stop playing music on the road and gave triangle warnings saying 'can't play the stream requested' until reboot. that no longer happens.
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Nice one. So google got something right?
What rom u on btw?
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KitKat ROM based on CM 11. had to flash a different recovery via ROM Manager as it stated specifically that it won't flash with other recoveries. i think it's a nightly.

[UNOFFICAL] [CM11] [4.4] d2kat - xda-developers

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As for the Google UI, they've refined it a bit. gone is the huge oversized cards and they've toned down the color, and the colors are a bit lighter and easier to look at, no more bright bleach white, more a tan, with the font a proper black vs. grey. let's say they've De-Jony-Ive'd the look a bit. or perhaps iOS 7 was so damn ugly that Google's looks that much nicer most recent Play Store fits screen better. before it felt like i was using a CGA interface on an already-small screen.
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Do you have the dark gapps? Thats something i miss. Do you use a theme?

Just found out Xposed Framework has been updated to work with 4.4 but not with ART im sticking with ART though.
Also Titanium wont work with ART but Root Toolbox does (luckily i own both)
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Nope. i'm using it stock as-is. the only thing i did do was rearrange icons and add in my deer wallpaper. you can see a screencap of my home screen on G+. the Gapps are optimized for ART. not inverted. they just scaled it to a point that the new UI works on more than one fixed size, aka, it is smaller on smaller screens and larger on tablets. it also seems optimized for tablets (example: Nexus 10 in landscape). they toned down the colors too, not so much whitespace and they got a nicer choice of colors (no more pastel colors on the Play apps).

I'm still not as much a fan of the flat UI but it appears to be everywhere now (it's on my smart TV, smart remote, Mac, etc) so i am going to have to get used to it. there's one thing going for it, speed. it is fast. animations are pretty but i'm still not so into the flatness. i keep thinking 'well, there goes the progression of higher PPI screens!'
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I like Gunmetal Cobalt theme. It doesnt change too much but gets rid of those lil sky blue CM Trimmings leaving everything bascly black n white
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Well man funky, can't really argue with those results, might have to take the plunge

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Don't worry I have enough backups to restore to save 100 Gnex's

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Nope. i'm using it stock as-is. the only thing i did do was rearrange icons and add in my deer wallpaper. you can see a screencap of my home screen on G+. the Gapps are optimized for ART. not inverted. they just scaled it to a point that the new UI works on more than one fixed size, aka, it is smaller on smaller screens and larger on tablets. it also seems optimized for tablets (example: Nexus 10 in landscape). they toned down the colors too, not so much whitespace and they got a nicer choice of colors (no more pastel colors on the Play apps).

I'm still not as much a fan of the flat UI but it appears to be everywhere now (it's on my smart TV, smart remote, Mac, etc) so i am going to have to get used to it. there's one thing going for it, speed. it is fast. animations are pretty but i'm still not so into the flatness. i keep thinking 'well, there goes the progression of higher PPI screens!'
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Probably a stupid question but while using ART when I update a few apps, should I be doing anything like a reboot after it?
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i only rebooted when i enabled ART. i think it's automatic after that (be prepared for a super long boot the first time). i'm hoping that rebooting is a thing of the past (never had to reboot an iPhone unless it was updating the OS). BTW, is ART only a custom ROM thing? my two Nexus devices upgraded but the 'select runtime' isn't showing in dev options and they're still using Dalvik as they're still a bit laggy and unstable.
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i only rebooted when i enabled ART. i think it's automatic after that (be prepared for a super long boot the first time). i'm hoping that rebooting is a thing of the past (never had to reboot an iPhone unless it was updating the OS). BTW, is ART only a custom ROM thing? my two Nexus devices upgraded but the 'select runtime' isn't showing in dev options and they're still using Dalvik as they're still a bit laggy and unstable.
I know I had to manually configure a build I did to build and configure for both (Gen 1 Nexus 7 (Wifi)). The stock build didn't seem to have it in
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I think ART is included as an option with the N4 4.4 builds, but not with any of the tablet versions.

And no, no reboots needed after it's all set up - the runtime will do the necessary optimization/compilation when new apps are installed.
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a shame. my Nexus 7 could truly benefit from ART. without that KitKat is just an incremental update like 4.3.
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Gen 1? I think N7 KK factory image has been released now man. Why no ART?? I was gona do my nephews N7 on wednesday
Nah its not just a custom rom thing.
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Gen 1? I think N7 KK factory image has been released now man. Why no ART?? I was gona do my nephews N7 on wednesday
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Guess Google just didn't put it into the stock build for the N7...
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Aaaugh, my monthly data ran out tonight and we dont have broadband so i had to connect to my wifes or her cousins phone hotspot and when i did, it was like a cascade lol app after app force closed and it happened over three KK CM based roms.
Anyone had that?
(Ill post this in the ART thread too incase its maybe an ART fault [all my 4.4 roms are on Android Run Time now].. when i restored to Carbon rom 4.3.1 everythin works fine while tethered)
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Guess Google just didn't put it into the stock build for the N7...
Thats a shame because its supposed to help the lower spec'd devices run smootly and be more noticable than on the high-end machines

P.s, have you activated Developer Options in settings yet to get to the Run Time toggle?
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Thats a shame because its supposed to help the lower spec'd devices run smootly and be more noticable than on the high-end machines

P.s, have you activated Developer Options in settings yet to get to the Run Time toggle?
Runtime toggle doesn't exist in the factory image. It only exists in my own build because I chose to build it with both Dalvik and ART in
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Ah right. Why is this?? Do you think google are just kinda beta'ing it or something?
Id have thought all the Nexi would have got it. I can imagine it would make a huge difference to say a gnex or gen1 N7 wouldnt you mate?
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Ah right. Why is this?? Do you think google are just kinda beta'ing it or something?
Id have thought all the Nexi would have got it. I can imagine it would make a huge difference to say a gnex or gen1 N7 wouldnt you mate?
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So could running a sgs3 in ART justnow possibly be doing harm?
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Do you think google are just kinda beta'ing it or something?
It is very much a beta function right now. I haven't run into any problems, but some apps will require a bit of work to get them ART-compatible. I think Google went ahead and included it as a developer option to help devs get their stuff ready... it will probably be the default runtime in one of the next major releases.
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Cool. Im liking it but ive had to restore back to carbon (4.3.1) tonight for a few reasons.
Its defo something for everyone to look forward to i think
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Anyone had a problem with being on a rom running in ART then restoring a 4.3 backup?
I restored carbon earlier then had a big walk so put my earbuds in n put an album on PowerAmp and i swear i got to half a track before it stopped, looked at the phone and everything was FCing till it rebooted. This happened 3times till i gave up, got home and put KK back on now my tunes play fine.
Is it a case of once you KK/ART, theres no goin back lol????
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I would think that if you did a clean install after wiping everything, it should work.
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Anyone had a problem with being on a rom running in ART then restoring a 4.3 backup?
I restored carbon earlier then had a big walk so put my earbuds in n put an album on PowerAmp and i swear i got to half a track before it stopped, looked at the phone and everything was FCing till it rebooted. This happened 3times till i gave up, got home and put KK back on now my tunes play fine.
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Well, you can always switch back to Dalvik if you wanted to
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Well it was a nandroid install so surely thats clean without wiping anything? Idk tbh lol. I never wipe before restoring a nandroid anyway
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Well it was a nandroid install so surely thats clean without wiping anything? Idk tbh lol. I never wipe before restoring a nandroid anyway
I guess Palmtree has your answer.

I'm not experienced with Nandroid backups or switching ROMs. The only experience I've had with a rom was installing CWM and CM10 on my Captivate. If they ever release CM 11 for it, I guess I'll get a little more experience. Although I rarely even touch that phone anymore.
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But surely restoring a 4.3 rom nandroid did switch me back to Dalvik? see these are things i have trouble understanding. If i get a chance tonight im gona do some reading about Run Time
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But surely restoring a 4.3 rom nandroid did switch me back to Dalvik? see these are things i have trouble understanding. If i get a chance tonight im gona do some reading about Run Time
Correct, swapping between nandroids should change the runtime being used - after all, that's essentially swapping out a .so file on the /system side (which is covered by a full nandroid backup).
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Did a factory reset on my phone today to see if it would take care of a WiFi issue I've been having. Of course, that put me back on Dalvik. I can definitely feel a difference. ART is quite a bit smoother IMO. I'm going to leave it like this for a day or two and see if there's a difference in battery consumption too.
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