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Old November 26th, 2013, 10:44 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Did a factory reset on my phone today to see if it would take care of a WiFi issue I've been having. Of course, that put me back on Dalvik. I can definitely feel a difference. ART is quite a bit smoother IMO. I'm going to leave it like this for a day or two and see if there's a difference in battery consumption too.


Definitely looking forward to seeing how that goes!
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Well battery wise. Ive noticed a HUGE increase in standby time with ART and a tiny decrease in screen time (although ive been doin a lot of downloading so thats not certain)
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Definitely looking forward to seeing how that goes!
For starters, it does seem to have fixed my WiFi

Tomorrow is when I'll get to test the battery life.
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So far.....battery life on dalvik doesn't look good. 11:30 AM and i'm already down to 70% with very light use.
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So far.....battery life on dalvik doesn't look good. 11:30 AM and i'm already down to 70% with very light use.
Do you know what is causing it?

There has been a problem with 4.4 gapps draining batteries, so it's worth checking whether Google Services is high on the list in Battery stats. If it is, flash another set of gapps that doesn't drain your battery.

I had this problem and I suspected it was because I had updated some google apps in Play Store and the updated apps were the culprits. As I couldn't identify which app(s) it was, I reflashed my gapps and it fixed the battery drain. However, I am reluctant to update my google apps now.

If you cannot easily identify the cause of your battery drain, Gsam Battery Monitor will show you which apps/processes are responsible.
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If you cannot easily identify the cause of your battery drain, Gsam Battery Monitor will show you which apps/processes are responsible.
Does GSAM work with 4.4? I thought there were issues with apps being able to access the battery stats on KK.
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They've just released an update for 4.4. The release notes say that a helper app is needed, but as I'm running 4.3 I've not looked into that yet.
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Yes there is a companion app they recommend using, or if you use Xposed, they have written a module for that which will work for their app as well as other apps that access battery data, such as Better Battery Stats.

So if you use more than one battery monitor app, it might be worth using the Xposed method.
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They've just released an update for 4.4. The release notes say that a helper app is needed, but as I'm running 4.3 I've not looked into that yet.
Awesome, I'm glad to hear that! Time to go give it a go!

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Oh, yeah. Overlooked that ('cos I always root that warning sort of goes over my head)
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Oh, yeah. Overlooked that ('cos I always root that warning sort of goes over my head)
I usually do, but with 4.4 I'm doing a bit of an experiment to see how long / how well I can get along without hacking it. Tomorrow will be two weeks without root. I've never ever had a bone-stock device before (I rooted-and-rom'd my Nexus One within 15 minutes of booting it the first time, and didn't even boot my GNex or N4 once before rooting as well) so this is a bit interesting.

So far, the only root-required functions I'm really missing are kernel-level display color control (I like a warmer display at night, previously controlled via Tasker and a shell script I wrote) and, now, detailed battery stats (though the ProcStats in DevOptions are pretty sweet). I'm getting by just using Lux's Night filter, but I don't know how long I'll be able to manage with that (as the quality produced by a filter overlay isn't quite as good as adjusting raw RGB and gamma values).
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GApps are not an issue so far. Google Play Services is way at the bottom of the list. Top contributors right now are the screen and Fox News(lot of battery time, almost no foreground), so I removed it. We'll see what happens from here on out. I've got auto-brightness on and a short time-out on the screen(though I never wait for it to time-out anyway).
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Here is an entire day on Dalvik. Can't complain too much. Had about 2.5 hours of SOT and a bit of travel out of my service area. While driving i had it plugged into my laptop for roughly 30 minutes. It barely draws any power from that though. I will probably switch back to ART tomorrow or Friday.



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You have to join the Beta test group to get latest beta https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.gsamlabs.bbm and install that companion app. Bit of a hasstle but its a great app. Nice update too
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Any chance the Nexus 10 and 7 will get ART? They lag and crash on Dalvik and I want to kiss dalvik bye so badly. Can't think of a better device to have ART than a Nexus

Checked Dev options but select runtime ain't there
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Really? aw man my 10yr old nephew just got the notification for update on his '12 N7 and he'd heard me tell my niece not to update her s3 yet so he was asking if he should take the update. I sed yes and tonight i was gona put him on ART. The N7 could really benefit from it.
So have any of the official 4.4 builds got it or is it only 3rd party devs who have used the SDK or whatever?
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Searched and the official word is that the 2013 Nexus 7 got ART but not the 2012 Nexus 7 or the 10. Why they left it out of the 10 is a mystery. Both lag like a gingerbread device with dalvik, making me want to use my iPad again.

I was, however, able to side load the Google Launcher onto them without root though.

I don't want to use a custom ROM on them because that would break the Nexus benefit like OTA updates. It's already a pain in the butt to upgrade my GS3 and that alone makes me want to jump ship to iPhone.
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Maaaan its the gen1 that REALLY needs ART. I thought ART was supposed to be the thing that makes lower spec devices perform better (more iOs like)? Stupid google
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I agree. It would also help the 10 a bit as well. I'm spoiled by my *new* Galaxy S3 and it having ART turned on.
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Yeah man i must sound obsessed by ART but it makes that huge difference that Jellybean and "project butter" promised to make.
Just cant wait till im able to customise as much while using it. Hidden statusbar for example
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Project stutter, maybe lol
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Lmao.
If you use a CPU monitor, you can see project butter working. With an ondemand or pegasusq type governor, as soon as you touch the s3 display it jumps to 800mhz in anticipation of an action so it does help a bit with UI. much better if you use a custom kernel to change the boost level to 1.2ghz though lol.
ART is amazing for speed opening/changing apps etc, things that android was bad at
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I've put about 9 hours on it so far today(visiting my folks, slept in til noon, lol). Battery life has been good without fox news running in the background. I'm at 57% after 9 hours, with almost 2 hours of SOT. Most of that time was browsing the web or playing Deer Hunter 2014.
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Well, I just switched back to ART. Much snappier than dalvik. Here is a screenshot of my battery life from today, taken just as i plugged in my phone and switched to ART.

Didn't use the phone a lot because i watched 3 movies with my family. SOT was 2 hrs and 13 minutes, but at 48%, i could still get another hour or two.

Also noticed that my apps now take up about .5 GB more space on my phone.
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Nope, the optimization for 512MB-RAM devices is built into the OS itself - Project Svelte. Nothing to do with ART - which is, after all, to be considered a preview and work-in-progress. It's not supposed to be ready for the mainstream just yet, and it really isn't. It's not surprising (to me, at least) that some of the lower-spec devices got left off the ART guest list.
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So does anyone know what happens if you backup apps using Titanium Backup while in ART and then try to restore those apps on a new rom which is using dalvik runtime (by default)?

I'm on ART at the moment and I'm wondering what form the TB backups are stored in if I back up any new updates or installations.

Should I swap back to dalvik (with the consequent time-consuming app updates on reboot) and do my TB backups in dalvik, then swap back to ART?

I am concerned about having a mix of two types of compiled app in my TB backup folder, where some apps will be incompatible with one runtime, and the rest of the apps incompatible with the other...

And what of my current TB backups (all made while in dalvik runtime)? Will they be incompatible if I stay in ART?
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So does anyone know what happens if you backup apps using Titanium Backup while in ART and then try to restore those apps on a new rom which is using dalvik runtime (by default)?

I'm on ART at the moment and I'm wondering what form the TB backups are stored in if I back up any new updates or installations.

Should I swap back to dalvik (with the consequent time-consuming app updates on reboot) and do my TB backups in dalvik, then swap back to ART?

I am concerned about having a mix of two types of compiled app in my TB backup folder, where some apps will be incompatible with one runtime, and the rest of the apps incompatible with the other...

And what of my current TB backups (all made while in dalvik runtime)? Will they be incompatible if I stay in ART?
Purely a guess (as I haven't tried) but I imagine you'd be fine to restore either way - just probably do a cache wipe afterwards for good measure.
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sure, but be aware, there are some apps that may not work correctly, or at all.
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I use ART as my daily, along with a custom CM rom and ElementalX kernel.

Feels snappier than Dalvik, and battery life seems to be improved so far.

Make sure all of your apps are up to date. Titanium backup, for example, wasn't compatible but now it is.
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Since when is a Nexus 10 a 'lower spec device'?
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I was more directly referring to the 2012 Nexus 7, but the N10 does "only" have a dual-core processor and a much larger screen (which I imagine takes quite a bit more oomph to push pretty 3D stuff to it). Benchmarks aren't everything (or even generally important for every day use), but that does seem to be the case.
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The S3 is even lower spec than the 10 but ART greatly improved it. It makes it pointless to even update to 4.4 if they leave all the good stuff out! It's just 4.3 with the goodies taken out. Having their best stuff held back with Dalvik is unacceptable. Rooting and flashing a ROM would ruin OTA updates turning a Nexus into another everyday tablet and that's why I want to avoid rooting a nexus. But if Google refuses to give them ART then I might have to do just that.
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There are still plenty of improvements (both user-facing and under-the-hood) to be found in 4.4; removing the highly experimental optional runtime doesn't really cripple 4.4 at all. Sure, it's a nice bonus and a fun toy to play with, but Svelte should still improve the overall user experience without having to switch runtimes.
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Nope, the optimization for 512MB-RAM devices is built into the OS itself - Project Svelte. Nothing to do with ART - which is, after all, to be considered a preview and work-in-progress. It's not supposed to be ready for the mainstream just yet, and it really isn't. It's not surprising (to me, at least) that some of the lower-spec devices got left off the ART guest list.
Yup, ART was completely unknown until users got the device in hands and started to tinker in developer options.

It was never marketed or hyped, because its not ready yet
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That won't change the fact that I must live with OOM panics and stuttering until they give us the feature. I like iOS fluidity and Dalvik feels lacking. Has been for a long time.
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That's right, but had they released an unfinished product we'd be complaining about crashes, random reboots, and app incompatibilities.

Nexus 5 users got a sneak peek of a beta feature that WILL be a huge improvement to android when its finished. Until then you can flash a stock ROM with ART added. You don't need to wipe data or reset up apps
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Perhaps if it's successful on the N4 and N5, they'll roll it out to the tablets in a point release.
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Doesn't flashing ANY ROM require rooting and custom recovery? That is what I'm trying to avoid. Doing that would require a wipe because it will boot loop if you dirty flash. And rooting/flashing would break OTA updates making the next upgrade a pain in the butt which I bought a nexus to avoid entirely. As for it being experimental, I thought that was the point of including it as a 'developer option' right? Seems foolish to not include it with the rest of the 'experimental' options!
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Doesn't flashing ANY ROM require rooting and custom recovery? That is what I'm trying to avoid. Doing that would require a wipe because it will boot loop if you dirty flash. And rooting/flashing would break OTA updates making the next upgrade a pain in the butt which I bought a nexus to avoid entirely. As for it being experimental, I thought that was the point of including it as a 'developer option' right? Seems foolish to not include it with the rest of the 'experimental' options!
Flashing going from one stock ROM to another stock based ROM with ART wouldn't require a full wipe

you'd always be able to dirty flash the updated ROM on top faster than you'd get the OTA
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I need to be educated on DALVIK vs ART.
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I wonder if it's a chipset issue(or at least they just want to test it on Qualcomm first). Notice all the devices running it have Qualcomm chipsets.
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Sticky at the top of this forum is a good place to start:

http://androidforums.com/nexus-5/792223-introducing-new-android-runtime-art.html

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For an experimental feature it feels pretty good. Ive been running it daily since writing this topic.
The main problem is that some apps wont work with it but the good ones are catching up. Tibu now works with it and the Xposed Framework dev' is probably hard at work rebuilding his app
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Mine is a samsung chipset, Exynos or whatever
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Yes, but you aren't officially on kitkat.
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Flashing a ROM still requires root, and a custom recovery. that would still break OTA updates. having a Nexus then at that point would be worthless. i might as well just turn a Nexus 10 into a Galaxy Tab 3 but with a better screen.

He ain't officially on KK but like the rest of us with Samsungs we had to do the 'root and flash' thing to even upgrade the phone to Android 4.4. that is a big pain as there are tons of iterations of the GS3 and not all the ROMs work on all the iterations of the S3. a GT-i9300 ROM won't work on a VZW SGH-i535 for example. either way i like the iOS-easy OTA upgrade method which is why i bought a Nexus tablet, as it's the only thing Android has comparable with the iPhone/iPad as far as being stock and getting upgrades as they are released, and without the fragmentation issue and carrier bloat. i suppose when i'm due for an upgrade i'll get a Nexus 5 to save myself the pain of rooting. i'm just worried that at the last second, Google pulls the plug on ART and we never get it on the Nexus tablets, which really could benefit from it.
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Flashing a ROM still requires root, and a custom recovery. that would still break OTA updates. having a Nexus then at that point would be worthless. i might as well just turn a Nexus 10 into a Galaxy Tab 3 but with a better screen.
Root and custom recovery does not break OTA's...

Certain things you do after root can break it.
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i thought the biggest disadvantages of root would be broken OTA updates? i thought that only worked on unrooted devices? if there is a way to do this and still benefit from OTA i'd go ahead and wipe/root/flash my 7 at least, i have nothing to lose on it as everything i run on it is cloud-based anyway. but i don't want to find out at the last second that i can no longer upgrade it easily and i need to flash ROMs to get upgrades.
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