Andorid makers need to step up the game, as the new iPhone is very good, reading about the iPhone 4 right now (WWDC, Steve Job keynote) i was really amazed, i don't own any apple product and i don't like apple close system.
but:
960x640 (326ppi) IPS Display with 800:1 contrast ratio
Long battery life (7 hours talk, 6 hours 3G browsing, 10 hours WiFi browsing, 10 hours video & 40 hours music.)
A4 chip (as i understand it's really the main reason of the long battery life now offered)
3 axis gyro ( i didn't see that one coming), a gyro+accelerometer+compass=six axis aware device (The wood demo is really WOW)
5MP camera (larger sensor) + 720P HD video @ 30FPS + LED flash
iOS 4!
For me, more resolution is always better (and since the limit of the human eye ~= 300ppi) , all mobile phone should have a minimum of 300ppi.
The new Gyro is a welcome move, as i always wanted my phone to senses when i rotated flat on a table. this will not only be great from game, but imagine Google earth with six axis awareness.
The A4 and the longer life was expected, but nice move Apple .
The camera was screaming for an update and the HD recording is a nice touch.
I still preffer FroYo to iOS4 ... but iOS4 is really amazing with loads of new features.
iPhone was behind in terms of the hardware, but not any more.
Andorid makers need to step up the game, as the new iPhone is very good, reading about the iPhone 4 right now (WWDC, Steve Job keynote) i was really amazed, i don't own any apple product and i don't like apple close system.
but:
960x640 (326ppi) IPS Display with 800:1 contrast ratio
Long battery life (7 hours talk, 6 hours 3G browsing, 10 hours WiFi browsing, 10 hours video & 40 hours music.)
A4 chip (as i understand it's really the main reason of the long battery life now offered)
3 axis gyro ( i didn't see that one coming), a gyro+accelerometer+compass=six axis aware device (The wood demo is really WOW)
5MP camera (larger sensor) + 720P HD video @ 30FPS + LED flash
iOS 4!
For me, more resolution is always better (and since the limit of the human eye ~= 300ppi) , all mobile phone should have a minimum of 300ppi.
The new Gyro is a welcome move, as i always wanted my phone to senses when i rotated flat on a table. this will not only be great from game, but imagine Google earth with six axis awareness.
The A4 and the longer life was expected, but nice move Apple .
The camera was screaming for an update and the HD recording is a nice touch.
I still preffer FroYo to iOS4 ... but iOS4 is really amazing with loads of new features.
iPhone was behind in terms of the hardware, but not any more.
This is still behind next to the Samsung Galaxy S over 300ppi is pointless the human eye won't notice anyway plus all that trouble and they leave the screen size at 3.5" Lol! 4" Super Amoled is gonna own.
I'm not gonna do side by side features but lets say the latest android phones are still far better and if i was in America i would be going for the EVO over this.
Yeh, and having an iphone4 on AT&T its like having a Ferrari on a quicksand road. **Epic Fail**
100,000 Android phones are being activated every week.
Google HAS stepped up their game.
No one seems to remember the Betamax vs. VHS battle.
Sony owned Betamax, and refused to license it to anyone else. And JVC owned VHS, and licensed it to everyone. VHS killed Betamax. Android is free, and is being launched practically everywhere. It's free, unlike Windows OS, and isn't trapped on AT&T.
Wait a few days for the hype to subside and re-read what you've written.
iPhone 4 isn't revolutionary in any way. It's just a hardware update, and the differences over something like the Evo 4G or Incredible aren't very big. The screen is beautiful, but I doubt it's so good that people with one of the newer AMOLED devices will feel shafted.
Overall, it's good hardware, that in 6 months will be the norm.
Nope still behind... Sure little more res, but smaller screen. A4 proc. can only go to 1ghz which will prob be under-clocked. 5mp camera single flash vs Evo 8mp dual flash. Longer battery life, but single non-replaceable battery.
OH! and no kickstand! lol
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Reason: forgot about the kickstand
video chat....only on WiFi
3.5" screen
Locked down
Real world battery life unproven
Resolution is pointless on a 3.5" screen
The only thing I really liked was the quality of the 720 recording...that's about it. ATT ruins the device...it doesn't matter what kind of features it has.
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reading the keynote it has done nothing for me, its still un-customizable and its a needed os upgrade but nothing special. My upgrade is still going to be from Blackberry to Android
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No one seems to remember the Betamax vs. VHS battle.
Sony owned Betamax, and refused to license it to anyone else. And JVC owned VHS, and licensed it to everyone. VHS killed Betamax. Android is free, and is being launched practically everywhere. It's free, unlike Windows OS, and isn't trapped on AT&T.
I dont necessarily think that's the best comparison, considering Betamax was a more superior way of recording.. It had better quality than VHS.. But, I digress
Yes, the iPhone 4 does look pretty interesting. And some of those specs are pretty impressive. However, you should remember a couple of things before you start thinking the grass is greener on the other side.
This is the next "top-of-the-line iPhone" that will be around for a full year. Right now, yes, it's impressive in its screen resolution, its gyro, its front-facing camera.
However, will it still be as impressive when these specifications start cropping up (some already have like the front-facing camera) in Android phones within a couple of months? Who knows what the spec sheets will look like on phones coming out in 8-9 months from now. Just like with the iPhone 3GS - It was ahead of the game when it first came out... But after about 7-8 months, it was dated.
This also has to do with the A4 chip. Yes, it seems to help with great battery life, etc, but it's proprietary, and again, wont be refreshed for another full year. Let's say it has the processing power of a 1GHz snapdragon, or heck, even a 1.2GHz... In 6 months? Dated.
Ok, IMO, kickstand is really a stupid marketing gimmick that i would never personally use. Second, the whole camera thing, there is WAY more to cameras than megapixel count. The iPhone 4 is integrating some sensor technologies that are standards in digital cameras but have been nearly absent from smart phone cameras. Same idea behind why a two year old, 8 megapixel dSLR takes better pictures than a brand new 12 mp point and shoot. Theres is more to photo technology than pixels. The iPhone 4 camera will probably be one of the best for photo quality (can't be worse than droids crappy camera). I really dislike all apple products, but i must admit, i really hope that some of this camera technology works its way into a verizon android phone when I am eligible for my annual upgrade. I'm eligible in november, but i'll porbably wait for LTE devices in 2011.
I'd like to see how this new phone compares with the HTC Desire. I'm in Canada, and so the best it's going to get is the Desire (reportedly coming in July/August). It's crap that the best takes forever to filter up North. Mostly, I'm wondering if I'll notice the difference in screen resolution between the two.
iOS is more polished. Apple sweats the details like no one else, so it's a prettier, nicer UI than Sense or stock Android. From a practical viewpoint though, Android still trumps it. I just wish it looked as pretty, and the devices available to me were more forthcoming.
So, Desire or iPhone4? Hm. I guess I still have some time to decide.
OK , it's not a game changer, for the software side, i agree that android is still greater OS.
As for the hardware side, it's on bar with other smart phones (like the Samsung Galaxy S, HTC Evo, Milestone, ... etc), although i like new 2 things new to any phone (The gyro and the new 960x640 display).
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300ppi is pointless the human eye won't notice anyway plus all that trouble and they leave the screen size at 3.5" Lol! 4" Super Amoled is gonna own.
Yes the screen is a small for a smart phone these day as the HD2, the Evo and the Galaxy S set the stander to 4.x" displays, and yes Super AMOLED displays are much much brighter than the iPhone display add to that Samsung Super AMOLED displays have a contrast ratio of 30,000:1 (compare to 800:1 in the new iPhone 4, that's 37x more contrast in the AMOLED display)...
but still i don't see 300ppi as pointless, i still recall when people use to say that WVGA in a mobile phone is pointless, current android phones like the Evo and the Galaxy S have around 233ppi, and since the eye can resolve up to 300ppi, the iPhone display is better (in the resolution aspect alone).
Yeh, and having an iphone4 on AT&T its like having a Ferrari on a quicksand road. **Epic Fail**
100,000 Android phones are being activated every week.
Google HAS stepped up their game.
No one seems to remember the Betamax vs. VHS battle.
Sony owned Betamax, and refused to license it to anyone else. And JVC owned VHS, and licensed it to everyone. VHS killed Betamax. Android is free, and is being launched practically everywhere. It's free, unlike Windows OS, and isn't trapped on AT&T.
Betamax lost because they didn't pick up on the porn industry.
Not making me feel bad about my decision at all. I left the Iphone 3gs behind for Evo and this doesn't even make me think twice. I thing apple is in trouble. I have been a Iphone fan boy for 2 years and the Evo is just crushing this new phone.
I've never been a fan of the iPhone, always thought it was overpriced hype. I'm no Apple hater however, I'm typing on a Mac now, and love OSX.
I really like the form factor of the new iPhone though, however it'll be about another 14 months before I can upgrade my Desire, so no chance I'll be buying one!
It seems nice enough to me, and really it always has. But I like Verizon and I want a QWERTY keyboard, and that's just not here.
As for the gyro, I wondered why phones hadn't used that yet. I met, I could've sworn Android already has gyro capability built into th eos, there just haven't been any phones to use it yet.
It seems nice enough to me, and really it always has. But I like Verizon and I want a QWERTY keyboard, and that's just not here.
As for the gyro, I wondered why phones hadn't used that yet. I met, I could've sworn Android already has gyro capability built into th eos, there just haven't been any phones to use it yet.
well really aren't the 2 magnetic sensors for the compass, gps, and accelerometer the same? I guess the gyro would add another axis...
I would have to say the one thing I am jealous about, is that the iPhone certainly has a build quality to it, that is yet unrivaled in terms of materials, quality of the hardware (the glass front and back and metal sides) in comparison to its price point.
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They sure don't. The web browser is the porn portal, not the App Store. Guess which one Apple didn't block? The whole "Apple blocks porn!!" thing is marketing aimed at clueless parents, another in a long list of outright lies.
There was nothing revolutionary about the phone, just compare it to the Evo, the only things it bests the Evo in is screen resolution and 30 fps HD video (if it does it in the real world, that is).
hello Forum! This new announcement of the iPhone set me off into info gathering mode, somehow I wound up actually creating an account on Android Forums in the process. haha! So be it, Im a brand new member I am how ever no NOOB! I sell this crap for a living every day... So:
All the bases are covered in this thread, the device has some impresive specs and an industry first video chat, although being that it requres WiFi I would call it a glorified iTouch feature, not a mobile phone feature meh. Any way. lets face it. No other company on earth can create so much hype about a launch as the metalic apple can. People will flock for it, and I pitty them. The Droid platform is every bit as good and far superior in some ways to that of its shiney nexus apple counterpart. I ADORE my Eris, and I love nothing more than to do stuff with it infront of my appletard friends in areas where I KNOW they will have no service. hehe... Any way, I am more or less seeing If I am able to post yet But Ill be around, this place is cool.
The one thing that would truly be a game changer, the thing that I was worried about, is video calling. It's the thing that if you have it, then all your friends will want it too and that leads to monopoly. But Apple botched it up by making it wifi-only while EVO and galaxy has it over 3G as well.
I like the higher resolution but i'm not feeling the design look like everything else out there it remind me of the instinct.funny how lets say 5000 at the event and he had to tell them to turn off there devise just to get connected.let the hype begin..
sorry if i'm hijacking the thread, and sorry for my ignorance ! but i wanted to ask ...
i don't get the hype with this "new" video calling technology. my current phone does video calling and my previous phone (which i replaced over 2 years ago) did video calling as well.
those video calls were done over the mobile network at the cost of a regular voice phone call (iirc), and not over mobile internet via some external service like qik etc.
is there something else to the video calling technology that's surfaced over the past couple of weeks or so? am i just entirely missing the point?
my current phone is an n95 (my android phone is hopefully arriving this week) and the phone before that was some obscure vodafone motorola phone (e770v) that they had on a 2 for 1 special to try and get the video calling popularity up.
sorry if i'm hijacking the thread, and sorry for my ignorance ! but i wanted to ask ...
i don't get the hype with this "new" video calling technology. my current phone does video calling and my previous phone (which i replaced over 2 years ago) did video calling as well.
those video calls were done over the mobile network at the cost of a regular voice phone call (iirc), and not over mobile internet via some external service like qik etc.
is there something else to the video calling technology that's surfaced over the past couple of weeks or so? am i just entirely missing the point?
my current phone is an n95 (my android phone is hopefully arriving this week) and the phone before that was some obscure vodafone motorola phone (e770v) that they had on a 2 for 1 special to try and get the video calling popularity up.
You're not missing any point. It's Steve's usual trick of presenting 'old' technology as 'new and revolutionary'.
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OK, first, I want to talk COSTS!!! I'll say it again, COSTS COSTS COSTS COSTS COSTS!!!
You see, when the hype boils down on the new albeit impressive iPhone 4, people will start realizing the cost of using all of these "new" features. New AT&T customers will get it handed to them BIG TIME!!!! AT&T just changed their data rates so that if you go over the 2 Gig (25 dollars) / month threshold, it will cost an extra $10 per extra gigabyte.
AT&T swears that this will not affect 98% of their customers because they dont use that much data. Well, even if I took them at their word, my response will be, "NOT YET."
The new iPhone will be getting new MOVIE streaming from netflix, HD Video recording (NO doubt, you will want to upload), and video calling (Its over wifi for now, but it will be over 3g later). SO, with all of these added features, How much data will people be using NOW??? And, I haven't even brought up tethering!!!!!
That sound you will be hearing in 2 months is the sound of people screaming and moaning when they get their new bills!!!
Compare that with Sprints Unlimited data, with no cap when you by the EVO 4G, and we have a clear cost winner. Plus the EVo can video call over 3g and 4g.
Yes, the iPhone 4 is an impressive piece of hardware and the software has seen some nice improvements, but I'll be sticking with my EVO, thank you very much. Even the new iPhone 4 features are still no match for EVO!!!!
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sorry if i'm hijacking the thread, and sorry for my ignorance ! but i wanted to ask ...
i don't get the hype with this "new" video calling technology. my current phone does video calling and my previous phone (which i replaced over 2 years ago) did video calling as well.
those video calls were done over the mobile network at the cost of a regular voice phone call (iirc), and not over mobile internet via some external service like qik etc.
is there something else to the video calling technology that's surfaced over the past couple of weeks or so? am i just entirely missing the point?
my current phone is an n95 (my android phone is hopefully arriving this week) and the phone before that was some obscure vodafone motorola phone (e770v) that they had on a 2 for 1 special to try and get the video calling popularity up.
Well, to be fair, Apple and Sprint are bringing the tech into the main stream in the US. We in the US have been slow about upgrading to that kind of tech, but now, this is the breakout year for US mobile video conferencing for the common folks. Thats why their is all the hype. I'm excited. I got the evo, and I can't wait till more people get the EVo's so I can vchat with them.
You see, when the hype boils down on the new albeit impressive iPhone 4, people will start realizing the cost of using all of these "new" features. New AT&T customers will get it handed to them BIG TIME!!!! AT&T just changed their data rates so that if you go over the 2 Gig (25 dollars) / month threshold, it will cost an extra $10 per extra gigabyte.
The really funny thing about this plan is that the first two gigabytes are more expensive than each gigabyte afterwards.
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...those video calls were done over the mobile network at the cost of a regular voice phone call (iirc), and not over mobile internet via some external service like qik etc.
is there something else to the video calling technology that's surfaced over the past couple of weeks or so? am i just entirely missing the point?
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I thought the video calls at the iP4 demo, if that is what you are referring to, were all WiFi and not over the cellular network(I haven't watched it but watched the CNBC coverage) and that the video calling would not be available via 3G? Or was it that they had to use WiFi because 3G wasn't providing a good connection?
As stated, the hype is due to the tech being available on a platform which has a large user/fan base. I just find it odd that my "non-Google" phone has video calling via Google Talk and Android phones don't.
FWIW, I did a Skype-to-Skype video call, without using Fring, and the data rate hovered around 200Kbs, depending on amount of talking being done. My 5 minute test call generated 4MB up and 3MB down. I'm glad I re-upped with AT&T and locked in the unlimited data plan...the new pricing teirs are all kinds of out of whack. I'm just waiting for a decent Android phone and Android support for slingmobile.
As far as iP4 multitasking, from what I understand, its implemented like older Nokia OS...not true multitasking, per se.
Andorid makers need to step up the game, as the new iPhone is very good, reading about the iPhone 4 right now (WWDC, Steve Job keynote) i was really amazed, i don't own any apple product and i don't like apple close system.
but:
960x640 (326ppi) IPS Display with 800:1 contrast ratio
Long battery life (7 hours talk, 6 hours 3G browsing, 10 hours WiFi browsing, 10 hours video & 40 hours music.)
A4 chip (as i understand it's really the main reason of the long battery life now offered)
3 axis gyro ( i didn't see that one coming), a gyro+accelerometer+compass=six axis aware device (The wood demo is really WOW)
5MP camera (larger sensor) + 720P HD video @ 30FPS + LED flash
iOS 4!
For me, more resolution is always better (and since the limit of the human eye ~= 300ppi) , all mobile phone should have a minimum of 300ppi.
The new Gyro is a welcome move, as i always wanted my phone to senses when i rotated flat on a table. this will not only be great from game, but imagine Google earth with six axis awareness.
The A4 and the longer life was expected, but nice move Apple .
The camera was screaming for an update and the HD recording is a nice touch.
I still preffer FroYo to iOS4 ... but iOS4 is really amazing with loads of new features.
iPhone was behind in terms of the hardware, but not any more.
Devices that already murder this.
Evo 4G and Droid Incredible. No game changer for iPhone 4 the game changer was android. Apple just picked up on it and screams louder due to the name apple.
Samsung will be a big deal because it will go to 110 countries while EVO and the Droids are US only. Once Android gets some global action instead of just a US phenomenon, things will get very exciting.
Samsung will be a big deal because it will go to 110 countries while EVO and the Droids are US only. Once Android gets some global action instead of just a US phenomenon, things will get very exciting.
Agreed, Samsung is the only real contender. But their lack of customer service is left to be desired. The Galaxy is the only the other phone I think matches the iPhone 4 in terms of spec.
iPhone 4, Game changer?!
