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With everything becoming available in the palm of your hand anywhere, Removing unlimited data is like taking away fire from the cavemen. I am by no means a heavy user as i live in Canada and our data rates are insane but we enjoy a lot faster 3g speeds. ( i can reach about 6 mbit on Telus on a Motorola milestone ). The Wireless industry is moving backwards, They are suppose to be innovating. If i want to enjoy Xm radio or Pandora on my phone i will have to monitor my usage so i don't go over.
The only company that i can understand doing this is At&t. Because of their iPhone exclusivity their network is overrun and they want to cut down on that. But they should just stop being lazy and invest in their network.
If the V offered an unlimited plan on top of the capped plans I would be fine with that. The real problem with these wireless carriers is that they are becomming reluctant default ISP's for many and either future regulation or more competition in the wireless ISP sector will have to emerge. The best answer is for them to expand their networks as fast as possible. It ALMOST makes sense to use 3g as a primary connection (my 3G is fare more reliable than my DSL) but I game and download alot.
i rely on tethering when I am not in a wifi zone for school and business now. to cap at 2gb saddens me and to know that verizon will be the only one (at the moment) to follow ATT is disheartening. my contract ends in september, if more news about this continues to grow about 'capping at 2gb' then I may NEED to switch over to another company which really is bothersome considering i've been a long time verizon customer. i guess i'll have to keep an eye on what sprint and t-mobile is going to do now.
i read about it a while ago, but if i remember correctly, and i believe i do, they were ADDING these plan options. there is still going to be an unlimited plan, especially for the idevices...
No the plans are completely gone now. If you are on one now you may be grandfathered in until you sign up for a new phone which is it just me or is it pretty convenient that they are letting all i-phone customers upgrade six months early? I mean as soon as everyone gets that cool iphone 4 they are done with unlimited data for good rofl! Lets see how the masses react when they finally pay attention and realize they have been screwed.
Complain for getting a new phone, new contract and new plan? Ha, come on, you don't HAVE to upgrade and lose the good plan.
Yes lol but we are talking about the iphone lol. I mean even here how many even payed full price to get the incredible to have the newer and greatest. I just think many regular customers do not pay attention to these things and the carriers do not blast this to people so many might be angered and confused after their first month bill and it is full overages on their, what they though was unlimited, plan.
No the plans are completely gone now. If you are on one now you may be grandfathered in until you sign up for a new phone which is it just me or is it pretty convenient that they are letting all i-phone customers upgrade six months early? I mean as soon as everyone gets that cool iphone 4 they are done with unlimited data for good rofl! Lets see how the masses react when they finally pay attention and realize they have been screwed.
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per at&t:
- iPhone customers upgrading their handsets and signing new contractswill be able to continue on their existing unlimited plans. The representative noted, however, that AT&T may offer "new desirable plans" alongside the next-generation iPhone, although the comment appears to be more of general statement than a specific disclosure of the company's plans.
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Sorry I keep talking about Droid, thought this was the Droid part of the Android forums..
iPhone and AT&T can give away talking unicorns for all I care.
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per at&t:
- iPhone customers upgrading their handsets and signing new contractswill be able to continue on their existing unlimited plans. The representative noted, however, that AT&T may offer "new desirable plans" alongside the next-generation iPhone, although the comment appears to be more of general statement than a specific disclosure of the company's plans.
When was that statement made? Here is engadget: iPad
iPad users are also affected by the change. The $30 iPad data plan -- lauded for being labeled by AT&T as truly unlimited -- goes away to be replaced by the same $25 / 2GB plan that smartphone users will see, though current subscribers to the $30 plan can continue unaffected.
The existing $30 fair-use "unlimited" smartphone data plan is being replaced by two new options: $15 per month for 200MB and $25 for 2GB (called "DataPlus" and "DataPro," respectively). Customers currently on the $30 plan are welcome to stay on it, but they can switch at any time without extending their contract.
So perhaps you can stay on it even with a new contract if you never change plans but that doesn't seem likely to me.
With streaming video, Netflix and other heavy data apps going to become more mainstream the data limitations these idiot companies are divising is the exact opposite of what will be needed. If Verizon pulls this crap, I too will be going to Sprint. It's BS......
It's not a question of what is needed - it's a question of how they can milk it for every last damned dollar possible.
You think they don't know that more and more data-intensive apps are just around the corner? You think they don't know that when they have faster networks people are going to use more bandwidth?
You really think that they didn't already learn this from dialup from the 300 baud days to the 56K days, or from DSL, or from Cable, or from FIOS?
What we, as customers, are going to need is almost irrelevant. What we, as customers want and will soon deem as necessary is what they are greedily eyeballing - and right now is their best opportunity - before 4G rolls out to make changes that, by the time 4G is widely available, will be accepted as necessary evils of having a smart phone.
Never think that these companies are not thinking about the future - they're planning far more into the future than you could ever imagine.
I hate this reasoning, sorry BlueIce, no offense to you. But it's the company line. The problem is that the advertising and the push in the mobile industry is to have a device that is a multimedia audio/video machine. Record HD video! Upload it to youtube! Listen to Pandora! Send videos to your friends! Do video chat with a front facing camera! Watch Netflix movies on your phone!!
Please, don't read the fine print...while we promote all these bandwidth hogging features, we're charging you more for it.
Using statistics that say 65% or even 98% of CURRENT users doing what they did last year with their phone, is not the same as what they are pushing in ads that your phone can do this year and next.
The best way to avoid this at Verizon is to flood the CEO with "don't change your 3g plans" emails. It might make a difference if some bigger blogs start pestering about it.
NOTE: I understand the business aspect of this. Bandwidth is not "free", it costs money. But...over a two year contract, the company is making, what, over $2,000 already from you? I also get that AT&T can't say the real reason- they're network is already choked, and Jobs decides to introduce video chat....
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I hate this reasoning, sorry BlueIce, no offense to you. But it's the company line. The problem is that the advertising and the push in the mobile industry is to have a device that is a multimedia audio/video machine. Record HD video! Upload it to youtube! Listen to Pandora! Send videos to your friends! Do video chat with a front facing camera! Watch Netflix movies on your phone!!
Please, don't read the fine print...while we promote all these bandwidth hogging features, we're charging you more for it.
Using statistics that say 65% or even 98% of CURRENT users doing what they did last year with their phone, is not the same as what they are pushing in ads that your phone can do this year and next.
The best way to avoid this at Verizon is to flood the CEO with "don't change your 3g plans" emails. It might make a difference if some bigger blogs start pestering about it.
NOTE: I understand the business aspect of this. Bandwidth is not "free", it costs money. But...over a two year contract, the company is making, what, over $2,000 already from you? I also get that AT&T can't say the real reason- they're network is already choked, and Jobs decides to introduce video chat....
Exactly, I already make a small vehicle payment to Verizon. Does Verizon really think they are getting more? I honestly have no clue what I use for data, but $5 for savings as a trade for the risk of incurring $50 in overages is never a win. Also, Att HAD to do this. With the new iphone's front facing camera they had no choice. How much increase in data will Android users see when flash makes it to our phones? Bottom line is that 2 gig is no where NEAR enough for average use and that's why it came to be...$$$.
I don't know for sure, but I'm actually considering going back to a cheapy phone if/when Verizon tries this. I'll save $200 right off the bat and $360 a year in data charges...additionally I probably won't need to re-sign for a contract every 2 years which gives me leverage that Verizon loathes. Wait and see I guess.
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So, is the idea to offer FASTER service so that one doesn't realize how much bandwidth one consumes and is therefore able to be charged for overages more often?I wouldn't be one bit surprised if at least one executive mentioned this possibility.
If you upgrade your phone they can require you to change your plan. Specifically they can make certain phone require a specific plan at a minimum... they simply would make the specific plan be the non unlimited.'
However they can't make you change your plan while you're under contract if you keep the same phone and want to keep the same plan ... otherwise you'd be able to get out of your contract free.
verizon and att tend to do what the other one does.
the big V changes smart phone users to a $385 termination fee, ATT follows suite.
bandwidth is going to grow as a premium as more people get these internet phones... my *MOM* is going to have a smart phone when i switch to sprint. WTF. facebook and google are going to gobble up bandwidth, they therefore are going to charge more as the scale increases. its just... the way it works.
Yeah if sprint/vzw did this(I won't use tmo or att) I'm dropping to a dumbphone and a pocket sized wifi tablet.
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HP buying palm for Web OS may really lend a legit iPad contender... if skype works... then yeah, why have a smart phone? have a nice big internet device with skype for calls and then... well... a small LG flip phone to make LOL TALKING 2 PPL ZOMG efforts.
Verizon CEO came out and said unlimited wouldn't be an option on LTE. So much for LTE being a answer for rural Americas no broadband isssue. I use 5.5 gb downloading podcasts ( audio only ) and listening to espn/slacker/iheart radio. It is a freaking shame to pay a company 200 + a month and have to "worry" about how mmuch of the product you use.
Exactly, I already make a small vehicle payment to Verizon. Does Verizon really think they are getting more? I honestly have no clue what I use for data, but $5 for savings as a trade for the risk of incurring $50 in overages is never a win. Also, Att HAD to do this. With the new iphone's front facing camera they had no choice. How much increase in data will Android users see when flash makes it to our phones? Bottom line is that 2 gig is no where NEAR enough for average use and that's why it came to be...$$$.
I don't know for sure, but I'm actually considering going back to a cheapy phone if/when Verizon tries this. I'll save $200 right off the bat and $360 a year in data charges...additionally I probably won't need to re-sign for a contract every 2 years which gives me leverage that Verizon loathes. Wait and see I guess.
The iphone face chat is not allowed over 3G, only wi-fi so that doesn't matter.
Verizon CEO came out and said unlimited wouldn't be an option on LTE. So much for LTE being a answer for rural Americas no broadband isssue. I use 5.5 gb downloading podcasts ( audio only ) and listening to espn/slacker/iheart radio. It is a freaking shame to pay a company 200 + a month and have to "worry" about how mmuch of the product you use.
Well that makes selling my Droid and getting an EVO a very appealing concept.
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? I understand you considering sprint but your Droid is CDMA which cannot use the future standard anyway. By the time Verizon rolls out LTE on a large scale the Droid may be at version 3. Sprint may even switch to LTE leaving wimax and any of their current 4g phones like the EVO(which will probably be eclipsed within 2 months by the next great android device) out to dry. It's all a big wait and see IMO.
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Well that makes selling my Droid and getting an EVO a very appealing concept.
Let's put it this way. Unless I control every bit of information that my phone sends and receives this is too much of a risk for my to justify a smart phone. Furthermore I submit that advertising that is embedded in many apps is basically stealing from me. There is obviously more too it but my current droid sends/receives a lot of information I DO NOT WANT. Even the new iphone has started to become infiltrated with adds. Capped data with adds is a really really bad idea. I have a feeling the google has something up there sleeves in regards to this. It's likely I will not renew my contract and buy phones out right until LTE forces a plan change..in case google makes some announcement in the next couple years.
I've long hated contracts anyway. They are legally incredibly underhanded. The contract it self is so one sided that any court in the US would through it out. Of course the carriers know this so they add the clause of arbitration making it impossible to reach a US court. As I get older I find that I'm more willing to do without certain things if I have to give up peace of mind. This is one of these things. Cell phones are not a necessity, smart phones are so even less.
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Let's put it this way. Unless I control every bit of information that my phone sends and receives this is too much of a risk for my to justify a smart phone. Furthermore I submit that advertising that is embedded in many apps is basically stealing from me. There is obviously more too it but my current droid sends/receives a lot of information I DO NOT WANT. Even the new iphone has started to become infiltrated with adds. Capped data with adds is a really really bad idea. I have a feeling the google has something up there sleeves in regards to this. It's likely I will not renew my contract and buy phones out right until LTE forces a plan change..in case google makes some announcement in the next couple years.
I've long hated contracts anyway. They are legally incredibly underhanded. The contract it self is so one sided that any court in the US would through it out. Of course the carriers know this so they add the clause of arbitration making it impossible to reach a US court. As I get older I find that I'm more willing to do without certain things if I have to give up peace of mind. This is one of these things. Cell phones are not a necessity, smart phones are so even less.
I'm with you bud. Id rather get a dumbphone on cricket than pay on a data capped smartphone.
Something tells me AT$T is going to lose A LOT of smartphone business in the next few years.
So can anyone please explain why everyone keeps showing 600-800 mb as so OUTRAGEOUS and network destroying!!! I mean good lord I use like 5-8 GBS!!!! Also many of us do here too so I find it beyond sad that AT&T is crushing with such a tiny load and that people think 600 mb is so exorbitant. i figured the i-phone was like 10 Gb which the complaints of it being so horrific with data that it was ruining AT&T and would ruin Verizon too yet we see we use beyond anything they ever imagine and are fine! Where are they getting these figures? i mean on my blackberry i used like 1 gb with very heavy usage so I guess I see it but these new phones I do not get why they suck up so much good lord. Can anyone explain why the droid is so bad with data over the I-phone which apparently uses less than 2 Gb for heavy users and why my blackberry with e-mail browser, youtube and podcast downloads never got over 1gb without having wi-fi which I use at home always with my droid?
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It would be helpful if there was a tool within the android phone/OS itself that shows you how much data it is using or has been using. So you can gauge.
I'm a bit late to the party, but 3g watchdog is a nice little free data tracking app. You can enter in your bill cycle and a cap (smartphone plans on vzw are true unlimited currently unlike data cards which are 5gb per month) and see where you are for the month in real time.
For the average user 2gig should be more than enough. I rarely use 300mb a month with heavy internet/map/navigation/youtube/facebook usage. I even monitored usage on my dads iPhone and over a weeks period we spent in Mexico, we barely used a few megabytes, and that was with a lot of internet browsing. In short, 2gb is fine for the average customer. I know several iPhone/Android owners that buy these phones and don't use data heavily and it would appear those are the majority of customers these plans were designed for.
petitions, emails, etc. are a waste of time IMO. as long as you keep paying them and signing new contracts you might as well tell them you agree with the changes. if one carrier is doing things you don't like, switch to another. if enough people left VZW or AT&T they wouldn't have any choice but to bow down to customers' demands. MONEY TALKS. just my .02
For the average user 2gig should be more than enough. I rarely use 300mb a month with heavy internet/map/navigation/youtube/facebook usage. I even monitored usage on my dads iPhone and over a weeks period we spent in Mexico, we barely used a few megabytes, and that was with a lot of internet browsing. In short, 2gb is fine for the average customer. I know several iPhone/Android owners that buy these phones and don't use data heavily and it would appear those are the majority of customers these plans were designed for.
I do a lot of Pandora streaming and video watching. I can promise you I use a lot more than 2gb. As do most people who stream music.
I'm considering geting a smartphone, and honestly I'm not too worried about a capped data plan.
Wi-fi at home and at my college and a microSD card to store all my music seems to me like it should take care of most of my data usage problems.
I'm on a dumbphone right now. I don't use *any* data right now. I'm...not particularly happy, but I survive. A smartphone isn't a necessity. Much less streaming music constantly (which seems to be what most people are using a lot of their bandwidth on), especially when an alternative like keeping a music library on physical memory is more than sufficient.
Add in that a lot of companies (Starbucks, McDonald's, several hotel chains, etc.) offer free wifi and I honestly don't see how more than a couple gigs of data on 3G is necessary to any but the most hardcore data users.
For the average user 2gig should be more than enough. I rarely use 300mb a month with heavy internet/map/navigation/youtube/facebook usage. I even monitored usage on my dads iPhone and over a weeks period we spent in Mexico, we barely used a few megabytes, and that was with a lot of internet browsing. In short, 2gb is fine for the average customer. I know several iPhone/Android owners that buy these phones and don't use data heavily and it would appear those are the majority of customers these plans were designed for.
This argument doesn't make sense. 2 Gigs is what a small percentage is using TODAY, because 4G has just gotten started. In that article the guy said that smartphones make up 17%, and they expect that to go to 70%. They are heavily promoting "smart phones" as being able to watch/stream video and audio. They are promoting these devices like you can carry your t.v. in your pocket. When services like netflix come to android (already on iphone) and people start using them for that purpose, the megs per user will go way up.
If they're supposedly not worried about the "average" consumer, then why lower everyone's cap to 2Gigs? Only a small percentage are going over that, so why not 5 gigs? 10 gigs? The fact is that AT&T announced this on the day the iphone 4 came out for a reason. The video chat on the iphone was reduced to wifi only for a reason.
They expect people to start streaming more and more, and that costs bandwidth. Now, maybe VZW's new LTE service won't be able to handle unlimited and be fair to everyone (in order to keep good service), but then just say that's the reason. Or, cap it higher, like 5 gigs.
In the first day of the internet, actually before that....services like AOL charged by the minute. When competition came, also in came the flat priced plans. When AT&T, Sprint and VZW all have decent 4G networks, one of them will start the ball rolling again to get customers, by guaranteeing some flat rate. But we might have to wait until 2013 or 2014 to get it again.
i heard the droidX will be the last smartphone on the verizon network to be unlimited data - is this reason enough to upgrade my droid to the droidX now? my contract expires in the end of the year and i don't want to be left w/o unlimited data!
i heard the droidX will be the last smartphone on the verizon network to be unlimited data - is this reason enough to upgrade my droid to the droidX now? my contract expires in the end of the year and i don't want to be left w/o unlimited data!
and to know that verizon will be the only one (at the moment) to follow ATT is disheartening. my contract ends in september, if more news about this continues to grow about 'capping at 2gb' then I may NEED to switch over to another company which really is bothersome considering i've been a long time verizon customer. i guess i'll have to keep an eye on what sprint and t-mobile is going to do now.
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