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Old May 15th, 2012, 05:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Mini Android TV - ZERO Devices Z802 with Android 4.0

Z802 is the new Android TV from ZERO Devices. Runs Android 4.0 under Allwinner A10 - 1.5Ghz Cortex A8. Unbelievable small size 8 x 3.5 x 1.2cm

It can be a good "Portable Android TV". 512 DDR3 + 4GB NAND Flash

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Official brand website: http://www.zero-devices.com
I hope test one soon

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I just ordered one. Looking forward to it arriving soon. Give something for me to piddle with for the next few weeks.
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Ok, real pictures about ZERO DEVICES Z802:













Later more pictures working!
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spanishguy, I can't wait to hear how it works! Based on what itis, it sounds fantastic. I was surprised to find virtually no real world reviews of this yet. I'm waiting for some reviews before ordering.
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It's an All Winner A10 device so if you've seen reviews of those then it's largely the same.

Here's a small summary
* Android 4 has been released for A10 devices and it runs better than the Amlogic/Geniatech devices Android 4.
* Controls best with a mouse or equivalent.
* Better built in media player software that also includes native network browsing* (*only in newest Android 4 builds). Can also play 3D videos encoded in H.264 MVC (Blu-ray/AVCHD) not just the SBS stuff.
* You can boot any compatible OS linux or Android from the SDcard. XBMC is also in development for these.
* You cant brick these devices they can always be recovered.
* Flash 11 is present in Android 4 build from All Winner.
* MX Player works with the hardware decoding on the A10 chipset.

The only major downside to Android builds from All Winner are that there is no Dolby AC3 or DTS audio support at all, so no audio for two very common audio formats. You can use MX Player Pro software audio decoder to fill in the gap while video is still hardware decoded but it can be buggy doing this.

Hopefully the AC3/DTS thing gets cleared up or someone releases a unofficial universal "patch" which is what another A10 vendor did but it only worked on their build of Android/firmware version.
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* Android 4 has been released for A10 devices and it runs better than the Amlogic/Geniatech devices Android 4
Amlogic is good CPU. I would like to compare Zero Devices (Z802 & Z022) vs Geniatech ATV2000. But my ATV2000 does not work. Geniatech quality is not same than before it seems. Also they are not friendly people, so maybe I can copare with Measy A5A, GV-5 and anothers that I have here from another better factories.

Just now I'm going to look a little more about Zero Z802.

By the way, I'll receive soon a sample of new Zero Devices Z900.

See you soon guys
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Weight of ZERO DEVICES Z802:





Compare sizes, Z802 & Zero RC11 Fly Mouse Keyboard:





Compare sizes: Z802 vs Measy A5a & Measy X7 & GV-5 & ATV2918 & Geniateh ATV2000 (broken) & Geniatech ATV300:




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Could those of you who have these devices post some youtube videos of them in action? I'd love to see more details of using them hands on. Most of the links to these allwinner 10 devices indicate that they are selling out as fast as they can get them. If this is true, I do not understand why youtube isn't filled with reviews and excited users posting all of the things they are doing with them. With other projects, such as the raspberry pi, this is certainly the case.

I have so many questions.

* Does sideloaded Neflix work on these devices?
* Do standard Linux distrobutions with ARM targets, like Debian, work well? I know it is stated above that Linux will from from the sdcard, but knowing that Linux runs is much different from knowing that something like Debian runs great from a standard install. If so, do things like wifi, sound, and graphics work out of the box without a lot of hacking? If so, are there wikis or blogs with information on what had to be done in order to get it working?
* Does anyone have more information on the current status of the XBMC port? I saw the wiki page on the XMBC site, but it doesn't give many details.
* Can we get a video if it running a 1080p video smoothly with audio and video in sync? If Netflix works on it, can we get a video of the same? If Debian (or other distro boots on it), can we get a video of that?
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Zero Z802 accessories:





CONNECTING - Power Option 1 - By AC Plug:





CONNECTING - Power Option 2 - By USB:





CONNECTING - HDMI:





CONTROL - Testing Zero RC11 Fly Mouse Keyboard & Wireless mouse:





Just connect the mini USB and play: (also another USB mouse and keyboard will work well)





And finally a picture of the screen working perfectly:





Later more...
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ZERO DEVICES PLAYING YOUTUBE VIDEOS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOoMwVuD9P4&feature=plcp
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* Does sideloaded Neflix work on these devices?
I can not use Netflix because its service is not available in Spain (I find this message when I wanted to download the APK).


But I downloaded an APK from another place and could install without any problem.



But after try to open (also correctly) Netflix APK said "there is a new version...." so it sent me to Google Play for download the last version and... again the message "This service is not available in your country yet".

On my PC I can use a USA proxy, but under Android I can not (or I don't know how). Another option is install my USA proxy in the router... but I really don't have time now for this hard work.

Maybe someone from another country can do it. Anyway, it looks like can work well.
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Playing movies from Google Play "Movies"

ZERO DEVICES Z802 - Playing videos from Google Play "Movies" - YouTube
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* Can we get a video if it running a 1080p video smoothly with audio and video in sync?
Stress proof for ZERO DEVICES Z802. I downloaded an high quality 1080P video, it's a part from Avatar really complicated for test the stress. I was perfect. 10/10

ZERO DEVICES Z802 - 1080P Video - Stress Proof - YouTube

Just I'm sorry I recorded this video with a CASIO Exilim PHOTO camera. I don't have the VIDEO camera here. Don't doubt about the quality, it was perfect and sound sinc.

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It seems FOX blocked my video for show a part of Avatar... If someone know where to download 1080P videos for test I will try. Anyway until now I saw Z802 is a really good player.
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Found a similar device for only 50 bucks, maybe its worth a try...

Mini Android 4.0 Network Media Player w/ Wi-Fi / HDMI / USB / Micro USB - Black (4GB) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme
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50USD... I can guess the quality...

An important thing about China, after a company launchs a new and good products lots of small "factories" try to copy. But always always always the just think how to break the market with cheap prices (if not they will not sell), so just produce rubbish. Later, after their market is bigger, even can produce cheaper than before changing the materials quality (even worst than before is possible). Every part has A, B, C.. quality. Later if they have problems about warrany with customers just need to change the name of their company and cheat more people again...

I think now, after some years on this, I even can write a book about the chinese bad quality

The Z802 was tested and it's really good at this moment.
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MK802/ Z802 or other cheaper hdmi dongle have't ESD protection on HDMI.
It is only the free space on the PCBA for AXP209. The save some money or manufacturer dont care about it.

My advice is considered and not pull cable from the HDMI when is working.
You can fry quickly these toys.
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If I want the best Android Media TV I buy Egreat R300... but can not for 76USD
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And even smaller than Z802 is the new Zero Devices Z900:


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Guys, while i start, it is stuck with first dark screen with just "Android". The device does not boot. Please help
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Guys, while i start, it is stuck with first dark screen with just "Android". The device does not boot. Please help
You can use the recovery tool. After Zero Device's VIP page is online (and register your device) you are able to download. Now maybe you can ask them by email.
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50USD... I can guess the quality...

An important thing about China, after a company launchs a new and good products lots of small "factories" try to copy. But always always always the just think how to break the market with cheap prices (if not they will not sell), so just produce rubbish. Later, after their market is bigger, even can produce cheaper than before changing the materials quality (even worst than before is possible). Every part has A, B, C.. quality. Later if they have problems about warrany with customers just need to change the name of their company and cheat more people again...

I think now, after some years on this, I even can write a book about the chinese bad quality

The Z802 was tested and it's really good at this moment.
Uhm. No. This one is cheap because it's using a Telechips TTC8525 (or something like that # which is dual cortex-a5 + mali-400). i.e. it's just underspecced cheaper so probably no worse than the mk802/z802...

That Z802's packaging, accessories, PSU, and even the device's case are IDENTICAL to MK802 that I just got from an ebay seller.

Problem with these is that they LACK ESD(possibly fry it's own HDMI port and/or the TV's maybe even more) clamping and power regulation(AXP209 chip is missing/cost cut again possibly fry itself). I did NOT realize that until AFTER I received the device and was looking at some things on the miniand forums and stumbled across this little fact.

In my case, I'll be selling the MK802 and plan to pick up the "oval elephant". They're getting a "limited" shipment on 7/12 and the rest on 7/20. Sames specs, A10 1GHz, 4GB storage, 1GB RAM, uSD, FULL size HDMI, bit bigger case, PLUS MORE importantly the ESD clamping and AXP209 power regulation chips for about the same price shipped in the US(charge $8 US, $15 for Canada, $20 worldwide shipping).

I paid $30 more for the ebay MK802 just so I could get it quickly(in US already) and it turned out to be the 1st batch, plain case(no port labelling and no vent holes) so I'll either just eat the cost to the unwary or maybe sell it with the advertised provisos about ESD/power regulation.
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Uhm. No. This one is cheap because it's using a Telechips TTC8525 (or something like that # which is dual cortex-a5 + mali-400). i.e. it's just underspecced cheaper so probably no worse than the mk802/z802...

That Z802's packaging, accessories, PSU, and even the device's case are IDENTICAL to MK802 that I just got from an ebay seller.
I know the chinese market very well. Even I lost money (and not a few bucks) more than one time for that reason I explained before. I have lots of tablet pc, mp4, mobile phones and so on at home (rubbish) because:

1. Few chinese factories look at the quality.
2. Cheap, cheap, cheap and cheaper than another manufactorers.


I have bought good products some months until factory changed quality and lost all profit made before. Really can not believe anyone there (my wife is chinese and knows this very well too).


About Z802 packing, I just taken these pictures over my desk:







Zero Devices is a brand, this is a big difference because they are not a "ghost company" who just launched this product and after sell all that they can will dissapear. It's like buy Egreat, Measy, Kaiboer and so on. Also ZERO will open the VIP area for registered users where are able to download manuals, firmwares, etc.
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I just got my Z802 and it works fine if there is no interference with other devices.
I am unable te read the cd that holds the manual.
Does anyone has a functional manual for me?
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I just got my Z802 and it works fine if there is no interference with other devices.
I am unable te read the cd that holds the manual.
Does anyone has a functional manual for me?
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http://www.zero-devices.com/dw/Zero%20Devices%20Z802%20Manual%20-%20EN.doc
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Motherboard's pictures ZERO Devices Z902 (new product available maybe next month):







1Gb Memory DDR3 - 4Gb Storage
CPU - Allwinner
OS - Android 4.0
I/O Ports: Micro USBX2; USB2.0X1; HDMIX1; MicroSDX1


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MK802/ Z802 or other cheaper hdmi dongle have't ESD protection on HDMI.
It is only the free space on the PCBA for AXP209. The save some money or manufacturer dont care about it.

My advice is considered and not pull cable from the HDMI when is working.
You can fry quickly these toys.
  • Added ESD
  • Added power protect circle
  • Soft turn on/off.
  • HDMI connector pop out



Via: CNX-Software - MK802
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What about things like Hulu. HBO Go, and crackle? Anyone try to load these? I'm looking for something that will hopefully be supported by the play store some day so I want have to side load... Or is that a pipe dream?
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I have the 1Gb version of the MK802. I have problems with Wifi performance. Tested it on my Airport Extreme, airport express and a net gear wireless router. In al cases the signal strength is very good but the speed is way to slow. HBO GO or playing a movie works but after a short time it needs to buffer the stream. Not verry watchable.

Playing movies from the internal memory works fine, it's just the Wifi that sucks. I ordered a USB/ LAN adapter. Hopefully that makes it possible to stream movies frm my NAS and watch HBO GO.

Also it runs verry hot, so if the LAN adapter orks, I will modify it with a heat sink.
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Is it possible to connect an external Harddrive (and read its content)?
If so, this external device can be powered by the "Android Zero Device" (f.e: 2.5" hard drive) or the hard drive should be powered by external alimentation (f.e: 3.5" Harddrive).

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Hi All,

I just recieved my Z802. Finally.

But when i connnect it with my tv i get no signal. I put in the power adapter and i see a orange light at the z802.

The mouse connected with usb is lighting up. So everything looks fine, but i dont get a signal.

I try to reset it with the firmware from the vip website but my system don't regonize the device. I see a android device at the computer management but i cant do something with it. livesuit give the error there are no devices to update.

Can someone help me?
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I just recieved my Z802. Finally.

But when i connnect it with my tv i get no signal. I put in the power adapter and i see a orange light at the z802.

The mouse connected with usb is lighting up. So everything looks fine, but i dont get a signal.

I try to reset it with the firmware from the vip website but my system don't regonize the device. I see a android device at the computer management but i cant do something with it. livesuit give the error there are no devices to update.

Can someone help me?
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Hey mate,

I had the same problem with my Sony Bravia TV, for some reason it doesn't get the signal in a proper formatting. I solved it by connecting the stick to my other TV (Samsung), where I adjusted the output resolution in Settings to 720p. After that, I reconnected to the Sony, and set the resolution there to 1080i. Now it works like a charm on both TV's... well, display-wise. For the rest, device is quite severely underpowered for most applications, although it plays media quite well trough Mx Player. I now use it with Miniand Lubuntu Linux (boots from a SDHC card) as a brain for my robotics and drone projects - in that role, it's a absolutely fantastic device!
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There is a new version of Z802 in the market, it's called ZERO Devices Z802B.

Z802B is powered by RK3066 DUAL CORE and runs Android 4.1 Jelly Bean

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50USD... I can guess the quality...

An important thing about China, after a company launchs a new and good products lots of small "factories" try to copy. But always always always the just think how to break the market with cheap prices (if not they will not sell), so just produce rubbish. Later, after their market is bigger, even can produce cheaper than before changing the materials quality (even worst than before is possible). Every part has A, B, C.. quality. Later if they have problems about warrany with customers just need to change the name of their company and cheat more people again...

I think now, after some years on this, I even can write a book about the chinese bad quality
Paul Midler beat you to it....



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