I COMPLETELY support Devs making money from their apps.
Please reread the sentence above.
Now, I have purchased apps, and I use free apps that have ads in them. I have purchased some apps after using the free app for a while.
It does NOT bother me to have ads in the apps I use.
I DO have a problem with the AirPush technology I have read about today.
A backlash has already started against AirPush, see the story on Phandroid for a cautionary tale about APNdroid and the negative rating it received (as well as being flagged as Malware).
As an end user i can promise you the following if I install an app and find it uses AirPush:
I will...
1. Uninstall the app.
2. Give it a bad review.
3. Flag it as Malware,
and 4. NEVER buy that app or install apps from that developer again.
I assume I will get some flames from some of you, but I am the consumer, and well within my rights not only to refuse to use your AirPush-enabled app, but to criticize you for it.
I support your right to make money by selling apps, or having ads IN your app, but STAY OUT OF MY NOTIFICATION TRAY!
We understand you don't like Airpush ads, but what if a consumer OPTED IN to receive Airpush ads, in order to support an app they liked?
Shouldn't end-users have that option?
Well, at least users should not be forced to have these kind of ads. In my opinion it is good way for showing ads, but the user should have the option to turn it off.
We understand you don't like Airpush ads, but what if a consumer OPTED IN to receive Airpush ads, in order to support an app they liked?
Shouldn't end-users have that option?
@AirPush: Please define what you mean by "Opt In".
Do you mean that there will be a warning in the apps description in the market indicating that the app uses AirPush, AND explains that ads will appear in the notification tray? That would be fine with me, but trust me, people won't want it.
Do you mean that after they install an app that uses AirPush there will be a warning the first time they run it saying that it uses AirPush and what it does so they can choose to uninstall it, like I would?
@AirPush: I DO NOT WANT ADS IN MY NOTIFICATION TRAY. I WILL NEVER INSTALL APPS THAT USE AIRPUSH. I WILL UNINSTALL ANY APP i HAVE THAT USES AIRPUSH. I WILL GIVE BAD REVIEWS TO APPS THAT USE AIRPUSH.
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Can I just say how sick I am of commercials and ads being shoved down my throat through billboards, TV, landline telephone and computer, now my cell phone, too? PALEASE, how can I remove? I should have the option since I freakin' pay for the cell phone service. Not to mention, the ads placed are absolute JUNK and completly USELESS! This is worse than SPAM in my email because there is no filter. I would really really like to know how to remove this because I am really frustrated
Somehow I've been subjected to the Airpush ads. I don't download many apps and I'm not sure which app has subjected me to these ads. Like gblyss, how do I get them to stop??
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Somehow I've been subjected to the Airpush ads. I don't download many apps and I'm not sure which app has subjected me to these ads. Like gblyss, how do I get them to stop??
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I suggest you contact Airpush and I am sure they would be able to tell you which app has the Airpush SDK installed. Just make sure you let them know what apps you have installed as well.
Can I just say how sick I am of commercials and ads being shoved down my throat through billboards, TV, landline telephone and computer, now my cell phone, too? PALEASE, how can I remove? I should have the option since I freakin' pay for the cell phone service. Not to mention, the ads placed are absolute JUNK and completly USELESS! This is worse than SPAM in my email because there is no filter. I would really really like to know how to remove this because I am really frustrated
It's very simple: buy the paid version. Nearly every free (ad-supported) app in the Android Market has the paid version.
Making apps is a very hard and time-consuming work: developers deserve their earning, and it makes possible to have new improved apps and games (actually, it's the only way: a developer who's not earning enough from his/her apps will change work/market quickly).
I made an account just for this thread. All I have to say is: **** this stupid Airpush VIRUS. If I had the money, I would sue this bullshit company for planting a virus on my phone that uses MY DATA PLAN to download THEIR ADVERTISEMENTS and put them on MY ****ING NOTIFICATION BAR. **** that company, I will tell everyone I know, post on my blog, my linkedin, facebook, to DDoS Airpush servers and to report them as virus makers. I will neotrace their IP and strangle them with piano wire. How do you like them apples? **** you
I made an account just for this thread. All I have to say is: **** this stupid Airpush VIRUS. If I had the money, I would sue this bullshit company for planting a virus on my phone that uses MY DATA PLAN to download THEIR ADVERTISEMENTS and put them on MY ****ING NOTIFICATION BAR. **** that company, I will tell everyone I know, post on my blog, my linkedin, facebook, to DDoS Airpush servers and to report them as virus makers. I will neotrace their IP and strangle them with piano wire. How do you like them apples? **** you
And to mention. I am a developer who does NOT use Airpush because I don't like the concept of it. But I spend 30+ hours of my time every week developing, and if I want to put ads in my application because most people aren't willing to get the paid version, that is my right. You are not obligated to download my app, and if you don't like the ads, you can uninstall.
And Google made Android. A manufacturer (like HTC) made your device. Your phone is based on Linux. Your wireless provider gives you your data access. I'm guessing you also have a home internet provider who gives you internet access through your Wifi. All of these people are also taking part in delivering the ads to your phone, so you should sue them, too.
And you should relax. Don't get so damned angry over the fact that you have a cell phone that does almost EVERYTHING a computer can. I get that Airpush ads are frustrating, but just clear the notification out!
@Jakar217 I'd like to reiterate my support for Devs, and for their ability to earn money (even a living!) from apps.
There will always be people who complain about _any_ ads in an app, even a free one. Not much to do about that.
The AirPush issue, however, is not so much about ads, as it is about crossing a boundary most users consider too far, that being "pushing" things to a place on our devices where we do not expect, and do not want, these intrusions.
I expect to get junkmail in my mailbox (even though I don't like it) and I expect to receive flyers in my newspaper. Those are two legitimate avenues for advertisers to get their message into my home.
i would, however, be incredibly angry (righteously so) if advertisers started sneaking up to my house in the night and plastering ads up on my windows so I see them when I wake up. That's just too far.
So to be clear, it's not (at least for me) that it's ads, but that it shouldn't be showing up in my notification tray, or as a shortcut in my app drawer, or anywhere else that is not inside the app itself.
I do not, and will never support airpush of ads into my system note space. Keep them in the apps. Any developer I find who uses the method will go on my blacklist. I don't care how essential, useful, or fun the app is.
And to mention. I am a developer who does NOT use Airpush because I don't like the concept of it. But I spend 30+ hours of my time every week developing, and if I want to put ads in my application because most people aren't willing to get the paid version, that is my right. You are not obligated to download my app, and if you don't like the ads, you can uninstall.
And Google made Android. A manufacturer (like HTC) made your device. Your phone is based on Linux. Your wireless provider gives you your data access. I'm guessing you also have a home internet provider who gives you internet access through your Wifi. All of these people are also taking part in delivering the ads to your phone, so you should sue them, too.
And you should relax. Don't get so damned angry over the fact that you have a cell phone that does almost EVERYTHING a computer can. I get that Airpush ads are frustrating, but just clear the notification out!
I should not have to opt out. They should kindly ask me if I want it. Why should I have to visit site after site handing out technical information about my device to be excluded from this? Why won't they stop HIDING it so I can at least just remove the app without the need to remove apps that don't contain this crap in order to locate the offender? This is unacceptable. I'm reconsidering my love of android, solely based on this. So I won't need to sue. I'll talk with my money. And yes, I do BUY apps. My wife would say too many.
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My opinion as a dev:
If have a customer that prefer ads than AirPush, then I will release my app with ads and without AirPush.
If have a customer that prefer AirPush than ads, then I will release another version of my app with AirPush and without ads.
If have a customer that hates ads, but have the intension to pay me for my work, then I will release another version without ads or AirPush, but I will charge for it.
If have a customer that hates ads and don't intent to pay me for my work, then I will say to him search for a dev that do community work, because sorry, I need money.
My opinion as a customer:
If I use an App everyday, then I will pay for it.
If I use an App just sometimes, then I will take the free version with ads, NEVER WITH AIRPUSH.
@jonathanrz: Seems completely reasonable, as long as the apps you release with AirPush make it clear in the description that it uses AirPush so that the "customer" can make an informed decision.
I completely support your right/ability to make money from your work. I will install free apps that have ads in the app, and I will pay for apps that are great apps that i use frequently. I will NEVER install an app, free or paid, that pushes anything to my notification tray, or which puts unwanted shortcuts on my desktop.
For everyone else:
New article on Phandroid about new app from Lookout that detects/identifies apps pushing ads to the notification tray.
I use both Admob and AirPush. Admob dont pay money.Airpush pay regularly.
I think nothing awful, if user clear push notification. Read developers opinions aboud Google Admob that is awful !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I use both Admob and AirPush. Admob dont pay money.Airpush pay regularly.
I think nothing awful, if user clear push notification. Read developers opinions aboud Google Admob that is awful !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is an intrusion in a place it doesn't belong. YOU may not think it's a problem to clear the notification, and it may be the easiest thing in the world, but that doesn't matter because we don't want it there.
Devs opinions on AdMob are not relevant to this discussion. If you put ads in my notification tray, or shortcuts on my desktop, I will give you a 1 Star rating and a bad review, and then I will uninstall.
Remember, we are the customers. We have the power to say no by choosing not to use your app.
Remember, Devs, if we find apps that use AirPush we will give them bad ratings and reviews, uninstall them, and post their names the lists on various forums.
My opinion as a dev:
If have a customer that prefer ads than AirPush, then I will release my app with ads and without AirPush.
If have a customer that prefer AirPush than ads, then I will release another version of my app with AirPush and without ads.
If have a customer that hates ads, but have the intension to pay me for my work, then I will release another version without ads or AirPush, but I will charge for it.
If have a customer that hates ads and don't intent to pay me for my work, then I will say to him search for a dev that do community work, because sorry, I need money.
My opinion as a customer:
If I use an App everyday, then I will pay for it.
If I use an App just sometimes, then I will take the free version with ads, NEVER WITH AIRPUSH.
Very well said. I definitely support developers all the time by purchasing their apps. And I click on ads intentionally to support devs of apps I rarely use. But personally, if they force adware on me I will uninstall their BS app, criticize and never look at anything they make again.
AppBrain Ad Detector can identify apps which have push notifications and also warn after installing such an app.
(also it detects apps which can place ads in your bookmarks and as shortcuts on the home screen)
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I will...
1. Uninstall the app.
2. Give it a bad review.
3. Flag it as Malware,
and 4. NEVER buy that app or install apps from that developer again.
Same actions I take!
That being said, I ALWAYS buy the paid version of any apps I use if they are available. I hate ads. I use AdFree to get rid of ads when a paid version is not available. I fully support devs making money, but that does not mean I want to see ads. And any app that pushes ads to my notificacation tray is malware, period!!
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Not only does Jelly Bean (if you have it) let you stop apps from pushing notifications, but Google has now revised their app standards for Devs that specifically prohibit apps from installing shortcuts without letting the user know (and have a way to undo it), and prohibit ads from an app that "simulate a notification".
Here are the quotes from the article on the Phandroid front page.
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Ads Context
It must be clear to the user which app each ad is associated with or implemented in. Ads must not make changes to the functioning of the user’s device outside the ad by doing things such as installing shortcuts, bookmarks or icons or changing default settings without the user’s knowledge and consent. If an ad makes such changes it must be clear to the user which app has made the change and the user must be able to reverse the change easily, by either adjusting the settings on the device, advertising preferences in the app, or uninstalling the app altogether.
Ads must not simulate or impersonate system notifications or warnings.
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Dear Devs, to be clear, we are NOT against you making money from your apps. I have stated repeatedly in this thread that I have absolutely no problem with ads in apps, and I do buy apps regularly (or pay for donation apps). We just don't want ads in our notification tray, or strange shortcuts showing up on our devices!
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UPDATE:
Victory will be ours!
Not only does Jelly Bean (if you have it) let you stop apps from pushing notifications, but Google has now revised their app standards for Devs that specifically prohibit apps from installing shortcuts without letting the user know (and have a way to undo it), and prohibit ads from an app that "simulate a notification".
Here are the quotes from the article on the Phandroid front page.
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Dear Devs, to be clear, we are NOT against you making money from your apps. I have stated repeatedly in this thread that I have absolutely no problem with ads in apps, and I do buy apps regularly (or pay for donation apps). We just don't want ads in our notification tray, or strange shortcuts showing up on our devices!
I saw this yesterday and it made me very happy. I am glad Google is doing something about notification spam!
I absolutely 100% agree. AirPush makes me sick both as a developer and an end user. I hope that developers will stop signing a deal with the devil, because I've been seeing AirPush way more frequently than I should, probably because it does bring in sizable income.
-I started using Admob, they give you really low ECPMS (ECPMS = the amount of money they pay you for 1000 impressions, an impression is everytime a banner ad is displayed. So if you had two banner ads on a layout, with a refresh time of 30 seconds, and the average user spends 2 minutes on the page, you would get 4 impressions/use)
-Mobclix was giving me around 21c ecpm, so I swtiched to MobClix. I was pretty happy with mobclix, they were giving me around 75c ecpm, and I was making decent money daily. That was until I realized it would probably take a year to get paid.
-So I finally switched to AirPush, they advertise they give $4 ecpm, but in reality they give $2 ecpm and they pay WEEKLY!!!
-If you aren't a developer you don't know how important it is to get paid weekly, no more emailing your network daily, no more worrying if your ad network will suddenly readjust your revenues for no reason.
-Another great thing about Airpush is that as long as my app is installed on your device I get paid. With banner ads you only get paid when the app is being used.
-Honestly, I don't care if you don't download my app because I have airpush, even if 2/3 of user will uninstall my app due to airpush, the 3x ECPM makes up for it.
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I'm a developer who uses only AirPush.
Here's why/
-I started using Admob, they give you really low ECPMS (ECPMS = the amount of money they pay you for 1000 impressions, an impression is everytime a banner ad is displayed. So if you had two banner ads on a layout, with a refresh time of 30 seconds, and the average user spends 2 minutes on the page, you would get 4 impressions/use)
-Mobclix was giving me around 21c ecpm, so I swtiched to MobClix. I was pretty happy with mobclix, they were giving me around 75c ecpm, and I was making decent money daily. That was until I realized it would probably take a year to get paid.
-So I finally switched to AirPush, they advertise they give $4 ecpm, but in reality they give $2 ecpm and they pay WEEKLY!!!
-If you aren't a developer you don't know how important it is to get paid weekly, no more emailing your network daily, no more worrying if your ad network will suddenly readjust your revenues for no reason.
-Another great thing about Airpush is that as long as my app is installed on your device I get paid. With banner ads you only get paid when the app is being used.
-Honestly, I don't care if you don't download my app because I have airpush, even if 2/3 of user will uninstall my app due to airpush, the 3x ECPM makes up for it.
Well I am a consumer, and I will never use your apps, and I will always encourage others to do the same. Here is why: Airpush is unwanted SPAM and I am glad that Google has updated their terms and conditions for developers to try to get rid of this spam.
-I started using Admob, they give you really low ECPMS (ECPMS = the amount of money they pay you for 1000 impressions, an impression is everytime a banner ad is displayed. So if you had two banner ads on a layout, with a refresh time of 30 seconds, and the average user spends 2 minutes on the page, you would get 4 impressions/use)
-Mobclix was giving me around 21c ecpm, so I swtiched to MobClix. I was pretty happy with mobclix, they were giving me around 75c ecpm, and I was making decent money daily. That was until I realized it would probably take a year to get paid.
-So I finally switched to AirPush, they advertise they give $4 ecpm, but in reality they give $2 ecpm and they pay WEEKLY!!!
-If you aren't a developer you don't know how important it is to get paid weekly, no more emailing your network daily, no more worrying if your ad network will suddenly readjust your revenues for no reason.
-Another great thing about Airpush is that as long as my app is installed on your device I get paid. With banner ads you only get paid when the app is being used.
-Honestly, I don't care if you don't download my app because I have airpush, even if 2/3 of user will uninstall my app due to airpush, the 3x ECPM makes up for it.
I'm a developer and I could never put airpush (or any notification ads) in my apps. I hate apps that include them so I will not make my users endure something that I don't want to endure myself.
Sure its tempting when I don't make much and I could make probably 10x the amount by using these ads. But in the end I want users to be happy. I want to eventually make a really popular app that everybody wants to use. If I keep at it I will get better at developing and make better apps. In the long run I will make more. Notification ads are the easy way out for developers that don't want to put the work in to become successful.
I am a developer and while I did look at AirPush for the "Lite" version for a debut upcoming game (with the "ad wall" in-game), it was never once considered to use the notification ads or shortcut ads. They not only are overbearing, but could easily be thought of by users as malicious or, to put it plainly, slighting them by going around their trust of an app providing what it says, while disclosing what it does. This sort of basic trust is essential if you're going to then ask for said user to pay for your app/game/etc. or support you at all as a developer.
As fiveHellions mentions, if you don't have any other litmus test, one of the basic criteria for determining placement of an ad or other non-functionality feature for your programs should be "Would we install apps with this ourselves, or would we think it's bad?". While tech-savvy users know ads don't tend to be malicious if it's a banner ad or similar inside a program on Android, they nearly universally dislike them, and many people in the more casual or non-young-adult demographic don't know whether they're safe to have on their phone, thinking they may be malware or a virus. For many reasons, among others, the decision was made to not utilize these sorts of systems.
I look forward to the day, soon, when I can announce the game .
I totally agree with fiveHellions and IcyPeak above. I also doubt that AirPush will get you more revenue on the long run. Sure, after you have just published your application you will experience impressing results. After a while however, people will lose interest and the active device installs will dramatically drop. You will need to constantly publish new updates or new applications.
On the contrary, a well-written app, with a mild Ad mechanism, can constantly increase the active device installs and produce a growing income.
You give bad reviews for Airpush???
thats so unfair..
From what i read,you only hate notification Ads..I use airpush in my app but no push ads enabled...I only use smart walls...
using Airpush need not mean there are push notification Ads...
Please wait until you see a notification Ad before the bad review..
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You give bad reviews for Airpush???
thats so unfair..
From what i read,you only hate notification Ads..I use airpush in my app but no push ads enabled...I only use smart walls...
using Airpush need not mean there are push notification Ads...
Please wait until you see a notification Ad before the bad review..
What else does airpush do other than push ads? What is "smart walls"? I have never heard a single legitimate or reasonable reason to use airpush...
Instant 1 star review and app reported as spam is completely the right thing to do if an app causes notification spam or spam icons added to my home screen.
If I'm understanding this page correctly, a "smart wall" is an interstitial ad placed within the app. If they only appear when running the app that's feeding the ads it's IMO legitimate as it identifies itself to the user and let's them choose. That style of ad would cause me to immediately uninstall the app anyway, but if it's only present when running the app and doesn't otherwise interfere with the phone's UI or function then it's a matter of individual choice.
@amalvj123: Of course, if someone finds other airpush ads on their phone, and has more than one app containing airpush, they will have no idea which app is the culprit. And there's nothing to stop a developer releasing an app with one type of ad and allowing others later. So don't be surprised if you are tarred with the same brush.
Personally I find the other features of airpush to be actually offensive. But while they would be an annoyance for someone like me, the majority of smartphone owners don't know about this stuff or how it works, and many find it genuinely distressing when they first encounter it. We've had many members who've been panicked because they think their phone has malware, or even lost data due to doing a factory reset because they believed their phone to be infected. So forgive me, but as long as those features exist in their toolkit, I will have a zero tolerance attitude to Airpush, and will not use any app that contains it in any form.
When I find an app that is useful I will go out of my way to buy the paid/pro version, whether or not that app uses any type of ad model. I like to support developers who create apps that make my phone useful and I feel that this practice guarantees continued development.
However, I refuse to use any app that sends ads to my notification tray. When I find an app such as this I do the following:
* leave a review and mention that ads appear in the notification tray
* uninstall the app
* blacklist the developer
* post my experience on all of my blogs and social networks
I feel that apps that use any type of ad model are not free, and shouldn't be labeled as such, we're paying for them with our bandwidth and the maintenance/upkeep of our devices.
This is how I manage my devices. Others are, of course, free to do what they wish with their devices.
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