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Old November 8th, 2012, 11:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs up [WIP]What we hope to do w/Avail and CM

I know a large part of us want CyanogenMod on our Avail Z990 phones.

Let's take this one step at a time.

We need to:
  • Develop/Compile a working 'generic' kernel, as 'base' as possible, to allow other things to proceed
  • A new CWM or TWRP Recovery that we can maintain. By "We" I mean this community. That way, all can distribute as they wish.
  • THEN we can work on a CM rom for the Avail.
Why in this order?

Kernel

The kernel IS Android. It is what all else uses/hangs on/runs by. Without it, it is like having seats for a car without it's frame, engine, or body. While it looks cool, it is basically useless to get you to Aunt Sadie's house for Thanksgiving. (Sorry to our non-US people. I live here, and so I'll use US holidays. Substitute what you want...lol). Once we get that rolling, we can then move to next step:

CWM or TWRP Recovery

There is some floating around out there for the Avail. However, the "best" CWM for our phone has 3 issues:
  1. Based on VERY old CWM
  2. Not fully functional (Close, but not quite there)
  3. The Dev took all links down when he left. While some of us may have copies, we need a new one. That one is no longer maintained.

With a new Recovery, we can easily flash, edit, etc. our phones. We need a functional kernel for this.

We can go either CWM (The "default" alternate Recovery), or TWRP. Either way, we need one the does all it needs to. When we have those two pieces, then:

CyanogenMod

This is the last piece, the programs/scripts, etc, that make it a full Android system. Version, at the moment, doesn't matter. What we need to do is get to almost ANY working version, then we can go from there.


A word about what we can do

And that word is ANYTHING.
Anything is possible.
You can do anything.
As far as I know, there is NO reason why we cannot do this.

All of this is going to be a community effort. As far as I'm concerned (for me, at least), anything I end up posting here can be modded/improved/commented on/shown to others. I don't know everything. I make mistakes (ask my kids and my mother...lol). I miss lines in code. I copy/paste the wrong thing. But, let me know, and we all can do it better. If you know someone who might help, show them our work. Most devs have different ideas on what to do. Some will work, some won't. But if we all try, we can do this.

/Cheers, standing ovation, flinging of hats, general pandamonium

Next post in this thread is going to be for what I am currently working on. Reply, encourage, and do what you need to.

All comments welcome about the work.

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I'm syncing the repos for CM7 to get us a start. I already have the 'official' ZTE-Z990 kernel sources.

After it FINALLY syncs, I can start on the kernel and CWM/TWRP. I might try TWRP after CWM. Why? CWM has a much larger "dev base", and as such, should get us rolling faster. Then, we can look at TWRP (It's always nice to have choice. That's why I use Android, and work almost exclusively in Linux. Otherwise, if I didn't want choice, I'd be running Windows and holding an iPhone in my hand)

If anyone in the community has a working makeconfig file for the kernel, let me know. It will save a bunch on the "will this work" stuff

*** Compiled a kernel. Now testing on my own phone. Details to follow ****
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Okay..Kernel built/compiled. Have all the zImage/modules in one place.

Now, Why can't I make a flashable zip for cwm? What am I missing?
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I have a CWM built w/ext4 kernel, and the boot.img for the ext4 kernel

Links posted inna bit. Maybe in other threads
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Id be interested in testing since i use my merit wifi only. And have flashed all the blade builds and some flashed to the zte logo and some abort. Wouldnt that mean its close to booting? I flashed all the roms on Unlockr site
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Thanks for your effort! Did you use kernel from here as a baseline version? keep up good work - we all are so eager to see CM and 4.x Android running on Avail
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Yea, partly. Plus merges from other places.

Still working on it, tho
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I am also very interested in getting CyanogenMod up and running. While I am an experienced Linux user I have not done very much with Android or ROMs yet.

I would love to help test if you need anything.
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i'd do anything to get CM 6 or 7 on my Merit. so far that is my favorite and required ROM and is not as of yet out for the Merit. I won't use ICS-based anything though. never liked it. I've managed to tack on many of CM's elements (look, boot animation, built-in CPU clock, etc) but most require separate apps to accomplish, which makes space a problem. so far ROM Toolbox Pro's built-in tools are as close as I can get to the 'CyanogenMod Settings' menu which is part of CM builds. unfortunately there is nothing I can do to a stock or any other custom ROM out there to allow CM-specific apps, such as Theme Chooser or 2G/3G toggle apps to work. and, in addition, I have not yet figured out how they got that neat 'TV' style on/off screen animation in there. I tried installing it via Rom Toolbox but it must have failed (didn't tell me it installed and I got no animation)
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You can add most of that stuff. Just takes a while.

Good luck cw. Cm7 would be cool. I've tried half ass porting from the blade but end up upside down and only get the cm status bar.
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most of the stuff yes but not the exclusive stuff. most takes separate apps or one large app to accomplish a lot of what CM has built-in, which is bad for the Avail/Merit's serious internal space problem (it's rather small). plus some exclusives such as the 2G toggle are not working except in CM builds because that menu does not exist on stock ROMs. i have however found an app called Phone Info (free) that i can use to easily force 2G only but it doesn't stick if the phone self-reboots or you turn it off yourself to back it up. then certain things exclusive to CM such as the TV flip animation that shows when you power down or wake the device up don't work outside of it. you can't tack that on from my experience. most of that requires Theme Chooser, which i cannot find an APK for yet.

although i have managed to, outside my choice of launcher/theme gotten my device to look almost indistinguishable from CyanogenMod 7, right down to the boot animation and certain features and status bar tweaks. unfortunately it's cost me most of my phone's internal storage. i had to go back to the stock rooted ROM Stayboogy created long ago, because certain features i use are broken in SpeedFreak and One.Three (the speech to text settings cause a FC every time)
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I'm not talking about apps. I meant actually adding stuff in the code. Cm is gingerbread so you could add almost everything. That crt animation looks like an hour job tops.

You should download a cm7 update and you can pull out all the apks you. Don't know if they will work for you or not. Could also grab sounds and such if you need them
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most of the stuff yes but not the exclusive stuff. most takes separate apps or one large app to accomplish a lot of what CM has built-in, which is bad for the Avail/Merit's serious internal space problem (it's rather small). plus some exclusives such as the 2G toggle are not working except in CM builds because that menu does not exist on stock ROMs. i have however found an app called Phone Info (free) that i can use to easily force 2G only but it doesn't stick if the phone self-reboots or you turn it off yourself to back it up. then certain things exclusive to CM such as the TV flip animation that shows when you power down or wake the device up don't work outside of it. you can't tack that on from my experience. most of that requires Theme Chooser, which i cannot find an APK for yet.

although i have managed to, outside my choice of launcher/theme gotten my device to look almost indistinguishable from CyanogenMod 7, right down to the boot animation and certain features and status bar tweaks. unfortunately it's cost me most of my phone's internal storage. i had to go back to the stock rooted ROM Stayboogy created long ago, because certain features i use are broken in SpeedFreak and One.Three (the speech to text settings cause a FC every time)

dude, the stuff you're wanting won't happen...

the apps spare parts and blade buddy are what you wanting for settings...

i've built CM7 and told you that it won't do what you are wanting. why you won't give it up i have no idea. i can give you a list of every app that comes with CM7 and there is nothing that will do everything that you are wanting... and they aren't hidden settings either. it's all done through apps.

you guys don't know even the slightest bit of information when it comes to building CM or even what's included with it.

hang it up. much more and better can be done without it. period.
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Why dont someone put it together and just add apps from the store and a mixer from other roms
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For one tacking on every CM element takes up twice the space on an already limited storage. Secondly, certain elements, namely the tv flip animations seen when waking or locking the device cannot be tacked on. The animations are part of theme chooser. From my experience theme chooser isn't available in the play store or downloadable as an APK
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...which is bad for the Avail/Merit's serious internal space problem (it's rather small)...
G1 has WAY less memory, and runs CM7 rather well, CM9 mostly, and CM10 as alpha.

The issue of CM not on this device yet has to do with very few CM make files and other proprietary files that have not been tackled by the Cyanogen Mod team YET. Will they ever? Probably after a while. Progress is being made. You just have to wait. CM on this phone would work fine.

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...because certain features i use are broken in SpeedFreak and One.Three (the speech to text settings cause a FC every time)
The FC for speech to text/Text to Speech issue in SF's rom is easily overcome by installing the Pico TTS apk. Any other issues as far as FCs in SF's rom are also easy to fix. (AND, sometimes related to each other. Fix one, others start to work correctly, too)

As a matter of fact, SpeedFreak 2.0 is testing already, as is another ROM, on another forum.

Seems like we have more than stock. Wishes and hard work seem to come out on top. We want, we work, we don't let anything or anybody get us down, and we progress. The Model T was a good car. I prefer the GT-40. To each his own, I guess.

But I won't say you can't. WE ALL CAN, if WE want it.
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To offer correction, I was stating that tacking on features that are found in CM to any stock rom (most requiring separate apps to do) costs tons of space, I am aware that having it built in as is the case with CM builds would not harm storage, as that is very different from having five or six separate apps to do the same job. Now someone a week or so ago PMed me about a working CM 6 ROM that was out for the Avail but he didn't provide a link, and has not responded to my question about that. I cannot find any such info though online anywhere, so I'd like to know more about it
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i doubt the merit/avail is gonna make it to official cm status. The prevail had a solid cm7 for like a year and its still unofficial. Definetly thing it would run good on this phone. If you are adding the cm7 your also removing alot of merit stuff, its about the same amount of space. I know DSP manager works fine on this phone, ive had it on for a week. anyone know the specific music player libs? tried some but nothing doing.
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I've managed to tack on much of CM's elements like the boot animation and using certain features in ROM Toolbox Pro to make up for the lack of the CyanogenMod Settings menu (performance/UI tweaks) and did *something* by accident that fixed the phantom reboot bug for keeps! I also disabled the low disk space notification that used to kill sync and sms reception. It's not a perfect copy but aside go launcher I've managed a darn good representation of the features and stability and even the 2G only mode (done via app who's Icon is on the dock, scroll down after clicking and select GSM Only, and to go back just use airplane mode and then disable airplane mode and you're back on 3G. I can clean it up and post it if anyone wants to play with it.
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If you're so hung up on 'low space', get rid of the crud, then mount the /data /sdext partitions together. Whatever size you had partitioned on the sdcard for sd-ext, that's what you'll have for 'internal'. It will be slightly slower (depending on the class of the card), but your low mem issues will be gone.

outofideas: The Prevail has zip to do with this phone (Different manufacturer, totally different phone). As for 'official' status, that doesn't matter at all. 80% of phones don't have it. We just need a working port to a 'sister' phone, and we'll progress from there. There are CM builds out there for the various phones, just none work ATM.
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Hey man I've always liked Cyano too when i had a Hero cdma. I'd like to test this im running ice cream dre 1.0 Does wifi work on this? I only need to use wifi data not important
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I disabled the low space alert because I still had well over 20mb left so I didn't feel that it killing sync and text/ email reception was needed. This revives my sync. That's all. I'm quite satisfied now because I've pulled off almost all of CM's features, and accidentally fixed my reboot bug. Honestly now even of CM does come out I'm likely to keep using my own mod as default. I got all my apps I want no problems.
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No crap its a different phone bro. Point is they are both low-end androids that cm isn't going to go out of there way to fix. Someone on the boards will end up having to do it. There's a couple for the blade, thats a good place to start.
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the LG Optimus V was a low-end phone too, but it had CM 7.1 (and unofficial one but one that is easily found) which not only got the phone to go from Froyo to Gingerbread, but it has all the Cyano goodies. so a low-end device does not count out the possibility...
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I know. I'm sure this phone would handle it fine.

Definitely let us know if you get that kernel working. I'd like to check that out.
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is there something i am missing in regards to tacking in APKs for CM ROMs? i just found all the app APKs for Cyanogen 7 but they give me a 'application not installed' error after they attempt to install. i tried system apps installer and it says 'app installed correctly' but no, it still isn't. the APK in question is CMParts.apk. DSP manager produces similar bad luck. am i missing something? i am rooted, have RW access to /system/app, and tried the manual copy trick to no avail. how do i force-install it?

first i'd like a force-install. 'application not installed' is of no help. not installed. why? it's not very helpful
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is there something i am missing in regards to tacking in APKs for CM ROMs? i just found all the app APKs for Cyanogen 7 but they give me a 'application not installed' error after they attempt to install. i tried system apps installer and it says 'app installed correctly' but no, it still isn't. the APK in question is CMParts.apk. DSP manager produces similar bad luck. am i missing something? i am rooted, have RW access to /system/app, and tried the manual copy trick to no avail. how do i force-install it?

first i'd like a force-install. 'application not installed' is of no help. not installed. why? it's not very helpful
androidian.apk
androidterm.apk
cmparts.apk
cmscreenshot.apk
cmstats.apk
cmupdatenotify.apk
cmwallpapers.apk
cyanbread.apk


these apps will not install correctly on our phones when trying to make cm7, and these are all the apps that when removed i can boot the cm7 build i made many months ago (and by also using our kernel).

even when these apps are properly installed through update.zip into the system/app directory by using recovery they prevent system boot.

these apps must be removed in order than cm7 will boot on our phone. this means that all of the features of cm7 just will not work.

some of the reasons for this are because the init.rc within the cm7 boot.img ramdisk is too inconsistent with the oem one on our phone--file system structure is very different from ours in some respects. these inconsistencies make cm7 impossible to boot when it is fully installed on the phone. this is because (a) some things are not present in our kernel when it is used instead of the cm built one, and (b) the kernel produced by the cm sdk is incompatible with our phones when it is used instead of the stock kernel.

other inconsistencies are the scripts that cm tries to run at boot that are incompatible with the stock file structure of our phone when it is left intact, and which cause boot loops when the cm file structure is used.

when one strips all the specific parts of cm7 that are utterly inconsistent with our phone and prevent system operation, one is left with a sudo-cm build that is neither worth the effort nor the time to fix each individual inconsistency.

i've built cm7 for this phone. if you want the original build i've got that will not boot fresh off the sdk, let me know and i'll give you a link for it. you can try to play with it and see if you can get all the apps above working.

but i warn you, it's probably above your skill set. you will be better off learning how to build a rom (not nandroid) that will install from recovery and boot. and then making one that will do the same with all your custom apps and mods and theme work. much more, better, and pleasing things can be made by doing it manually than trying to resurrect a dead style cm rom for this phone.


i honestly think you could make a better rom than cm could for this phone.

i think my recent two roms are a testament to this fact. and those were quickly thrown together.
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i never could get the build environment working. i tried wiping all of it and starting over and now i get problems at the download repo step. so i just trashed that method. i would not mind playing around with the one you got that booted, even if the apps are stripped out...if it does not boot i am unsure how i could strip them out anyway first.

i did make a good copycat of CM 7 but i would like to have some of the tools added to the settings menu, like if there was a way to make a link there to open up say No-Frills CPU tool, thus integrating it, vs. having icons all over the dock that would be nice. also, i am not sure where CM gets those lock/wake animations at. i assumed CMparts.apk or Theme Chooser.apk. any word on if Theme Chooser.apk works? i did get dev tools and spare parts to port fine into a stock

oh, one more question if you may, how would i get Kernel1.0 into any ROM i am using? do i just flash it in Zip form like a ROM and reboot or what?
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i never could get the build environment working. i tried wiping all of it and starting over and now i get problems at the download repo step. so i just trashed that method. i would not mind playing around with the one you got that booted, even if the apps are stripped out...if it does not boot i am unsure how i could strip them out anyway first.

i did make a good copycat of CM 7 but i would like to have some of the tools added to the settings menu, like if there was a way to make a link there to open up say No-Frills CPU tool, thus integrating it, vs. having icons all over the dock that would be nice. also, i am not sure where CM gets those lock/wake animations at. i assumed CMparts.apk or Theme Chooser.apk. any word on if Theme Chooser.apk works? i did get dev tools and spare parts to port fine into a stock

oh, one more question if you may, how would i get Kernel1.0 into any ROM i am using? do i just flash it in Zip form like a ROM and reboot or what?
themechooser doesn't work either.

i'm busy and can't really go into all this right now. dev tools and spare parts work fine as they aren't cm only apps. and i'm giving you the standard cm build. the one that boots isn't for the public.

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Dude. The animation is in gb already. Google it. You need apk tool
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i am not talking about the boot animation, i am specifically referring to the animation normally found in CM during wake/lock. normally found in CM Settings. it makes a cool TV style flip in or our depending on whether you're waking or locking. it's not in GB by default. only seen it in CM

currently i've tried using ROM toolbox to edit all the animations available on stock GB stock ROMs. and nothing. still just turns off or on normally.


EDIT: ok so far i have managed to edit out the APKs that Stayboogy said had to be removed to make the CM 7 build boot, but am still stuck where it gets to the ZTE logo, reboots itself, see ZTE logo again, and then just dumps me into recovery. am i supposed to install a different kernel too?

Also, had to remove an assert code because it wouldn't even install because of the error 'getprop assert failed'. then it installed, but still dumps into recovery. currently installing Kernel1.0 now

EDIT2: still dumps me straight into CWM. he said it would boot fine if i removed those APKs, so what gives? i tried kernel 1.0 with same result. it goes to ZTE, reboots itself, see ZTE again, then dumps me into recovery. this is the exact same result when i tried flashing the Blade version long ago. in fact, the logcat says ro.product.type = blade too, so am i running the merit build that didn't boot or the blade build that was unmodified? i'm lost
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The issue is alot deeper than just the apps.

'blade' is NOT the Z990 ('roamer'). Close, but not the same hardware.

The apps won't load/install because of other things it needs that are provided by Cyanogen Mod.

Cyanogen Mod, at the moment, doesn't work on our (Z990) phones because, as I've stated, the build/make files are NOT usable for our hardware. YET.

NOT because it is "way above you"
NOT because of any other reason.
It IS because Cyanogen has NOT made the "proprietary" part of CM available/modded for the Z990's YET.

So, the apps won't work.

The rest of the 'build' will, because it is 'super generic'

Patience

It will come. It takes time.
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i know the apps won't work. that is why i tried removing their APKs first to see if it'd flash and boot without, as Stayboogy suggested a few posts up. apparently it did not. he had sent me the build he made for our Merit but one which didn't boot yet. i was thinking if i removed the apps that he says causes it to not boot with that particular build, that it would boot.
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i know the apps won't work. that is why i tried removing their APKs first to see if it'd flash and boot without, as Stayboogy suggested a few posts up. apparently it did not. he had sent me the build he made for our Merit but one which didn't boot yet. i was thinking if i removed the apps that he says causes it to not boot with that particular build, that it would boot.
IF it boots, would be luck.

A CM build also needs a CM kernel built against that particular build, and a few other things.

While it may boot, odds are, it won't.

And, yes, I have a booting CM kernel and build, but:
  • Not stable at all, so I won't post it
  • Kernel has issues, too
  • Most apps cause FCs or total hangs
  • Other peoples work is involved, and I will not release until I get their OK for those parts

Slowly getting there, but it won't happen soon.

Same with a CWM 6 build that works fine, but has other parts in it.

It's coming, but may be awhile.
I'm just as impatient. But, I am working towards it. Proprietary is proprietary. Their work, even if it's just one line, is their work. Some of it has to do with a big player in the Android field. I can't even say who, or what.

Patience.
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IF it boots, would be luck.

A CM build also needs a CM kernel built against that particular build, and a few other things.

While it may boot, odds are, it won't.

And, yes, I have a booting CM kernel and build, but:
  • Not stable at all, so I won't post it
  • Kernel has issues, too
  • Most apps cause FCs or total hangs
  • Other peoples work is involved, and I will not release until I get their OK for those parts

Slowly getting there, but it won't happen soon.

Same with a CWM 6 build that works fine, but has other parts in it.

It's coming, but may be awhile.
I'm just as impatient. But, I am working towards it. Proprietary is proprietary. Their work, even if it's just one line, is their work. Some of it has to do with a big player in the Android field. I can't even say who, or what.

Patience.
although you are right about some of the kernel issues, it's not entirely true.

the problems you are having with your cm build kernel i assume are the modules (based on what you posted over at A51).

i had 16 modules built the first kernel i made--took very little correcting with manual placement of some of the libxxxxx files for the build errors that cropped during the build. wifi didn't work though. pretty sure i forgot to include the module it created when i installed it. but sadly it got deleted so i can't work with it now...

the second kernel i built had 14 modules, but the wifi never worked then either, and i couldn't figure out why.

both kernels worked in every other way though--minus some ipv6 stuff that i wasn't sure about???

it's possible to get it to boot without a new kernel and even by using the stock kernel as i've done it. but other things have to be modded in the process, both on the phone, and the rom structure. but it can be done.

the init.rc of the boot.img ramdisk created by cm is one main issue. our kernel can be used for the majority of the features, but some of the file structure creations and services that init.rc calls are wrong and would have to be completely customized by someone who had the patience in order to frankenstein a "proper, full build" of cm7 for these phones. i've done substantial work in the area already.

the fact is that some of the ways cm7 is structured are a waste of time when they can be bypassed and done more efficiently by modifying where many things install themselves by the rom.zip.

i'm still of the persuasion that we can create better by moving on from cm. there's quite a bit that can be done easily already. my way of adding init scripting proves this point, as instead of creating a new service to add scripting all that had to be done was the edit of one file already called init.rc and adding the init directory.

instead of building from the ground up, the way to go is by using what is already there and adding what is not. it's the most efficient way, but no one seems to understand that...
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personally a lot of what i like in Cyanogen is the built-in features. i know you can get them via apps but they scatter about the launch drawer or home screen or dock and make a mess. some run all the time too. tacking on every feature makes the ROM bloated and RAM hogging. it'd be nice if the apps could be inside the settings menu or a custom menu inside settings the way it's done in CM 7. so far it takes separate apps to overclock. in CM 7 you can just get into performance settings and overclock all you like.

i know those apps are non-functional now, but i'd still like to get the thing to boot up without, but i keep getting dumped into CWM for some reason.

My lookalike ROM, sans CM Settings, Theme Chooser and the TV-style wake/lock animations, is almost indistinguishable from the real thing. it's fast (got Kernel 1.0 in there now), and relatively ok on internal storage. i haven't tried modding a deodexed ROM yet to increase it but i got up to 70MB free so far, even with ROM toolbox Pro and Dolphin in there. i just can't stand all the scattered icons though. even when hidden in the app drawer they bug me.
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although you are right about some of the kernel issues, it's not entirely true.

the problems you are having with your cm build kernel i assume are the modules (based on what you posted over at A51).

i had 16 modules built the first kernel i made--took very little correcting with manual placement of some of the libxxxxx files for the build errors that cropped during the build. wifi didn't work though. pretty sure i forgot to include the module it created when i installed it. but sadly it got deleted so i can't work with it now...

the second kernel i built had 14 modules, but the wifi never worked then either, and i couldn't figure out why.

both kernels worked in every other way though--minus some ipv6 stuff that i wasn't sure about???

it's possible to get it to boot without a new kernel and even by using the stock kernel as i've done it. but other things have to be modded in the process, both on the phone, and the rom structure. but it can be done.

the init.rc of the boot.img ramdisk created by cm is one main issue. our kernel can be used for the majority of the features, but some of the file structure creations and services that init.rc calls are wrong and would have to be completely customized by someone who had the patience in order to frankenstein a "proper, full build" of cm7 for these phones. i've done substantial work in the area already.

the fact is that some of the ways cm7 is structured are a waste of time when they can be bypassed and done more efficiently by modifying where many things install themselves by the rom.zip.

i'm still of the persuasion that we can create better by moving on from cm. there's quite a bit that can be done easily already. my way of adding init scripting proves this point, as instead of creating a new service to add scripting all that had to be done was the edit of one file already called init.rc and adding the init directory.

instead of building from the ground up, the way to go is by using what is already there and adding what is not. it's the most efficient way, but no one seems to understand that...
Please stop now. In a way we are in agreement.

BUT:

I didn't go into specifics, because I wanted it short and sweet.

As for WHY, it's because WE WANT IT.

Thus, title of the thread is :
"What we hope to do w/Avail and CM"

NOT "What only YOU want to do with anything"

EVERYBODY knows in this forum what your views are on CM.

And those views are fine.

But, that is YOUR VIEW.

My view, and others, is different.

We are working towards it, and progress is being made.
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personally a lot of what i like in Cyanogen is the built-in features. i know you can get them via apps but they scatter about the launch drawer or home screen or dock and make a mess. some run all the time too. tacking on every feature makes the ROM bloated and RAM hogging. it'd be nice if the apps could be inside the settings menu or a custom menu inside settings the way it's done in CM 7. so far it takes separate apps to overclock. in CM 7 you can just get into performance settings and overclock all you like.

i know those apps are non-functional now, but i'd still like to get the thing to boot up without, but i keep getting dumped into CWM for some reason.

My lookalike ROM, sans CM Settings, Theme Chooser and the TV-style wake/lock animations, is almost indistinguishable from the real thing. it's fast (got Kernel 1.0 in there now), and relatively ok on internal storage. i haven't tried modding a deodexed ROM yet to increase it but i got up to 70MB free so far, even with ROM toolbox Pro and Dolphin in there. i just can't stand all the scattered icons though. even when hidden in the app drawer they bug me.
Some of the CM settings are certainly 'sweet'

They 'rely' on some framework stuff in the CM build process, tho, thus may, or may not, be available thru addon apps or rc editing.

But as far as deodexing, have you tried?

You can get rid of apps you don't need. But just be careful, and test.

I'm always amazed at what depends on what.

As for "breathing room" have you checked CronicCorey's (XDA Dev) scripts (or talked to him, for that matter) about using/modding his int2ext scripts? You might get very happy...

Keep it up. I'm interested on what you come up with.
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it's probably best that not be giving me orders there cw...

but if i want to share regarding this thread, it's my right to do so, and considering the validity of what i have to say based on personal experience, and the fact that it's perfectly in line with the rules here, you don't really get the privilege of telling me what to do...


aside from that though i'm only trying to help, and what i meant is that if cm is being built, then it should be built with the intention of assimilating its features into the stock system shell instead of trying to reinvent the wheel so to speak by totally rebuilding from the ground up. it will make things much easier and more efficient. not to mention pave the way for further porting of various roms in the future with known, proven methods.

but, like you implied yourself, i really don't care if it gets built or not. much better has been and is being done without it. but that doesn't mean i can't help or that don't want to help...
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i don't know what 'deodexing' even IS right now. i heard it gives you more internal storage but not sure. i also thought about SD partitioning but i got years of MP3s i am not about to lose on my only SD card and if i mess up there goes 10-years of downloads in one step!

CyanogenMod personally i found by accident. i had a Virgin Mobile LG Optimus V that had, via its stock ROM, even less internal storage (or so it seemed) than my Merit ever did, and everyone who has experienced the Low Disk Space error and how it causes your texts, emails and stuff to NOT sync, well some site suggested rooting it. the phone came with ancient Froyo, a minor upgrade from the horridly unstable Eclair, and during the rooting process, i must have thought that flashing the ROM was required as part of the root, and when the phone rebooted, i was all 'WHOA!' not only was this my first introduction to Gingerbread, my now favorite version of Android OS, but it was an unofficial CyanogenMod ROM too. it was called 'Inferior Human Organs' and included tons of stuff, had the low space issue edited out, and i am guessing it may have been deodexed or the SD was partitioned because i had far more space for apps than i did previously. ever since CM has become my de-facto and required ROM in any device i buy now.
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i am not talking about the boot animation, i am specifically referring to the animation normally found in CM during wake/lock. normally found in CM Settings. it makes a cool TV style flip in or our depending on whether you're waking or locking. it's not in GB by default. only seen it in CM

currently i've tried using ROM toolbox to edit all the animations available on stock GB stock ROMs. and nothing. still just turns off or on normally.

Neither am I for the 100th time. its called cRt animation and you can put it in any GB, but thats way beyond where you are now.

looks like this?
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Looks like some great progress is being made here

Let's work together (and not against each other) and try to get the results we all want =D
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Its not in the play store out of ideas. The closest I got is screen off and lock. That video is exactly what I'm wanting but I don't know how you do it. I've only seen it in CM builds. You can access that setting on my Kindle Fire running it via settings-->cyanogenmod settings-->Display-->screen on and screen off animation
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I know most "phone animations" are fairly launcher-dependant, but not sure about "screen on/off" animations. Maybe I'll look at another CM rom and see if there is anything we can do.

But, we may be out of luck, too. There are some things that,while possible, may not be worth it yet. I'm always amazed at how one thing can be dependent upon something else, that needs a third, and so on..

Let me look and see (and I believe it needs a bit more than an app to get it, but not 100% sure)
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All these are from ZTE blade and flashed but didnt boot past Zte logo but maybe can if ported right. I dont know but it seems strange not one installation aborted. Hope this might help somewhat. Found these on XDA under The ZTE Blade ICS thread1.update-cm-9-20120531-SNAPSHOT-blade-ColdFusionX-tilal6991-signed.zip 2.


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my attempts don't hang, they just boot, stay a bit at the ZTE logo, then reboot, see ZTE logo again, then dumps me into recovery. seems whatever happens it's trying to boot, then fails, and reboots recovery automatically. sadly, any logcat apps aren't telling me a thing.

CyanogenMod 9 is based on Android Ice Cream Sandwich (4.x) and i highly doubt that given the extremely low spec of the ZTE Z990G (600 MHz, single-core, no GPU, no hardware accel, etc) i highly doubt that it is even possible to run that version on our phones. and even if it could, it would run horridly slow, much like running Windows 98SE on a i486
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my attempts don't hang, they just boot, stay a bit at the ZTE logo, then reboot, see ZTE logo again, then dumps me into recovery. seems whatever happens it's trying to boot, then fails, and reboots recovery automatically. sadly, any logcat apps aren't telling me a thing.
this is where it takes meticulous examination of how the system operates...

it is is possible to get it to boot, but as i've explained so many times up to this point, it takes a lot of work and ingenuity...

also there are too many fundamental differences from the blade and merit hardware that prevent several parts of a blade rom being ported completely to the merit...
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yes but it also happened on the *.ZIP you sent me, so unless something is up deep down or the boot.img is not compatible, it would be Merit/Avail ported, no?
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yes but it also happened on the *.ZIP you sent me, so unless something is up deep down or the boot.img is not compatible, it would be Merit/Avail ported, no?

i told you the one i gave you a link for wouldn't boot...

none of them will unless there is some frankensteining done that i've mentioned numerous times in this conversation and others... even where i specifically address what you mentioned above...

how you continue to miss this i have no idea...
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I know.
You know everything.

Look HERE!
http://androidarea51.com/***-all-things-root-***-166/(rom)(kernel)(recovery)-full-ext4-and-swap-enabled-package-for-z990/

HA FREAKIN HA!
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