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Old February 4th, 2011, 02:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I read about how you can root a nook color so that it is nearly a fully functioning Android tablet. I heard, however (true or false), that B&N has stopped shipping nooks so that they can secure them and render them unrootable.

I have been in the tablet market since before I purchased my Droid 1. What is a rooted nook color capable of? I am considering getting an iPad after they launch the new one coming up, but for $250 if I can get a decent tablet I might forget it. Can a rooted nook play YouTube? Can it play movies (should I load them on)? Is it capable of playing games? And can you still access you B&N books if you go this route?

How is the nook in comparison with other tabs, like the iPad and Samsung Galaxy tab? I don't want to pay for a 3G contract feature, I rather just use wifi and tether, so that is why I'm looking at the iPad. Finally, is it hard to do? Thanks!

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I always link to this video below...it does a good job of showing off most of the features. The Nookcolor is a pretty capable device that runs fast and has impressive build quality. There is not a camera on the NC which is not a big deal to most people but notable.

I don't know about B&N stopping shipment to "secure" these devices. That seems a little far fetched to me. As a company, you don't stop shipment of a product just to make sure a small percentage of users are going to root the device.

Edit: After doing some research...it seems that is exactly what B&N is doing. The only real downside to rooting the NC for B&N is that people can install the kindle app when rooted (which obviously could cause them to lose revenue). But damn...pulling the devices back to "retool" them...seems really stupid on B&N's part. The vast majority of their users may not be rooting them but as an "e-reader" only...I wouldn't have bought two of them. B&N is going to quickly learn that they are just wasting their time and money cause if it runs Android...it WILL get hacked. Welcome to the game B&N...don't be another Motorola...you'll only hurt yourself!

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Looks like this may be false, but we will have to wait for the next shipment to be sure.
It seems like a dumb move if it turns out to be true. Never piss off Androids.

Source: NOOKcolor Shipments Stopped Due to Inventory Software Bug, Not Hackers | Android Phone Fans
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In an earlier report it was suggested that shipments of the NOOKcolor from Barnes & Noble were halted in order to institute an edition of the e-reader that would be a bit more difficult for hackers and modders to break wide open. A source has now come forward saying that speculation is totally false.
While shipments have indeed stopped for the time being, the stoppage is actually the result of a bug in B&N’s inventory system. Shipments were halted so that a company-wide stock count could take place in order to update current numbers before resuming the reception of new units. The bug and halt on shipments also coincides with a production delay coming out of China. Here is B&N’s word on how they will handle current in-store stock:
“B&N’s short-term solution to the problem is to move stock from one store to another to cover demand, with cooperation at the local level between stores.”
So it looks like you won’t need to get your drawers in a bunch over the NOOKcolor gestapo-ing away the ability to do cool things like, say, install Honeycomb on your rooted e-reader.
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Looks like this may be false, but we will have to wait for the next shipment to be sure.
It seems like a dumb move if it turns out to be true. Never piss off Androids.

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yeah. I was thinking about buying a few for resale
(I do not own one)
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I don't know that B&N has the Android resources or know-how to lock things down if they wanted to. Not a knock on B&N...it's just they are new to the game.

If there were to spend extra resources to "eliminate" hacking, those resources would probably be spent in vein. If it runs Android...our Dev community will hack it!
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I don't know that B&N has the Android resources or know-how to lock things down if they wanted to. Not a knock on B&N...it's just they are new to the game.

If there were to spend extra resources to "eliminate" hacking, those resources would probably be spent in vein. If it runs Android...our Dev community will hack it!
I thought as much when it was pointed out that the cell standby service was left on the device. It takes no effort at all to disable it. Why would they leave it on by default? The thing has no cell modem and never will.
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I thought as much when it was pointed out that the cell standby service was left on the device. It takes no effort at all to disable it. Why would they leave it on by default? The thing has no cell modem and never will.
In all fairness, I don't think this book told their developers how to disable that...

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I couldn't find the ROM development for dummies book at B&N...
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My local B&N just got the fresh batch of NC in this morning. The nook specialist had already rooted one of the new ones for a family member, just to see if the rumors were true. Other than the 1.1 update the new stock has no modification and is still open to the geniuses over at dev.

Picked one up and will decide whether to root or run honeycomb SD next time I have spare time- if ever
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Picked mine up a Barnes and Noble yesterday as well. Only issue is I can't touch it for a while.
Future Birthday present. Have to wait a couple of weeks to play with it.
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Picked mine up a Barnes and Noble yesterday as well. Only issue is I can't touch it for a while.
Future Birthday present. Have to wait a couple of weeks to play with it.
Ouch!!! I'm saving up for one as we speak. When I get paid tomorrow, I should have enough; although I want to save about up to $300 so I have some money left over after. I need to buy a good SD card also!
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Ouch!!! I'm saving up for one as we speak. When I get paid tomorrow, I should have enough; although I want to save about up to $300 so I have some money left over after. I need to buy a good SD card also!
I am considering selling mine if your interested. 5 weeks old. It has the $35.00 "Genuine Faux Italian Leather" case and a Sandisk 16GB card. PM me if your are interested.
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I am considering selling mine if your interested. 5 weeks old. It has the $35.00 "Genuine Faux Italian Leather" case and a Sandisk 16GB card. PM me if your are interested.
Why are you selling? Buying a XOOM? (if you don't mind me asking )
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Why are you selling? Buying a XOOM? (if you don't mind me asking )
I will probably go with the Xoom. But am really posturing to be able to pull the trigger.

Xoom vs Tab 2 vs G-Slate?
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I will probably go with the Xoom. But am really posturing to be able to pull the trigger.

Xoom vs Tab 2 vs G-Slate?
The XOOM seems to be awesome but $800 is a pill I can't swallow. Good for you if you pick one up...hope you enjoy it!
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My gut feeling is the the Zoom will have better build quality and better battery life. I am probably most worried about the "Big Brother"approach Moto and VZW appear to be on.
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I have heard a terrible, terrible rumor that Motorola plans to put a version of Motoblur on the Xoom. Ugh.
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Just saw that the Xoom's price has gone up. It is listed on Best Buy's site for $1200. That is freaking insane when you add a data plan on top of that. Come on Google, don't be evil.
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Just saw that the Xoom's price has gone up. It is listed on Best Buy's site for $1200. That is freaking insane when you add a data plan on top of that. Come on Google, don't be evil.
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Suddenly $800 seems a lot more reasonable.
This cannot be a real price. No one in their right mind would pay $1200 for a tablet.
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I'm thinking that no one in their right mind would pay $800...but $1200 is most likely a "place holder" price and nothing concrete.
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Maybe the $1200 is for two.
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Wouldn't that be nice
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The $800 plus a data plan ought to come with two if you ask me. I still stick by my prediction that they won't sell any at that price.
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I'll take that bet.
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i'm thinking they'll sell decently at $800. They're competing with teh top ipad at $800.00. And the xoom beats that in every category. What are you going to buy to top it?? nothing.

moto will lower the price as soon as ipad 2 is released (most likely). Moto is taking the approach of "reap the profits right now while its the best tablet". Once ipad2 is out, all bets are off. Pricing will be extremely competetive and most likely will undercut ipad2.
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i'm thinking they'll sell decently at $800. They're competing with teh top ipad at $800.00. And the xoom beats that in every category. What are you going to buy to top it?? nothing.

moto will lower the price as soon as ipad 2 is released (most likely). Moto is taking the approach of "reap the profits right now while its the best tablet". Once ipad2 is out, all bets are off. Pricing will be extremely competetive and most likely will undercut ipad2.
That's now what they're really competing against in the eyes of the consumer. Most people who look at the Xoom are not going to compare it against the top of the line iPad. They'll compare it agains the iPad period. You can buy a 16 gb iPad for $500. You can buy a 32 gb iPad (which matches the Xoom's internal memory) for $600. The Xoom is still $200 more and includes a data plan on top of that. I don't see people paying $200 extra just to have an Android tablet. You're basically asking people to pay a $200 Android tax.
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It drives me crazy when Android fans sit here and compare the price of the Xoom to a one year old iPad with 1/4 the ram 1/3 the processing power, lower screen res 1/2 the sensors as if the price should be competitive.

Wake up!!!

Also there is no indication that any of the competitor tabs will be any cheaper.
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Wake up!!!

Also there is no indication that any of the competitor tabs will be any cheaper.
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It drives me crazy when Android fans sit here and compare the price of the Xoom to a one year old iPad with 1/4 the ram 1/3 the processing power, lower screen res 1/2 the sensors as if the price should be competitive.

Wake up!!!

Also there is no indication that any of the competitor tabs will be any cheaper.
I hear you...but a top of the line laptop in 2010 cost you virtually the same as the top of the line laptop in 2011. $1,000 got you an high end laptop in 2008. $1,000 will still get you a high end laptop today...with much better specs.

If the price continually increased by 25%, high end laptops would now cost you $50,000!

The iPad is overpriced and should to be reduced in price to reflect the older and slower components. But instead of that happening, the XOOM is setting the new standard price for a top of the line tablet.

So what will a top of the line tablet be in 2012? $1,000 or more??? The world will end in 2012 before the majority of people pay that
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And in 2005 the same laptop was $2500. The bottom line it's a lot cheaper when you have all conventional components in a big box. These tablets are 1/10th the size and virtually a prototype of the future.

I bet you if you wait till 2015 you will get a really cool tablet fro $375. Why don't you wait?

Also remember price is established by what people are willing to pay not what you can afford.
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It drives me crazy when Android fans sit here and compare the price of the Xoom to a one year old iPad with 1/4 the ram 1/3 the processing power, lower screen res 1/2 the sensors as if the price should be competitive.

Wake up!!!

Also there is no indication that any of the competitor tabs will be any cheaper.
You're missing the point. The average consumer is not looking at specs like RAM, processor power, screen res, etc...... They want a functional tablet for a reasonable price. In the consumer's mind, $500 for an iPad is reasonable. The sales numbers for the iPad bear that out. Is $800 plus a data plan reasonable for an unproven (in the consumer's eyes) tablet? I think the consumer market is going to say no.
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We'll see but I bet Motorola has spent a lot of money finding out what people will spend.

By the way I don't think they have in the past or now bet on average consumers.
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And in 2005 the same laptop was $2500. The bottom line it's a lot cheaper when you have all conventional components in a big box. These tablets are 1/10th the size and virtually a prototype of the future.

I bet you if you wait till 2015 you will get a really cool tablet fro $375. Why don't you wait?

Also remember price is established by what people are willing to pay not what you can afford.

Based on your reasoning the XOOM should cost less...not more.

And yes, average consumers have spent a lot of money on Apple products. How many iPhone 4 owners know the actual specs of their phone? A dual core processor in a tablet might not impress a lot of average consumers...especially when they can buy the highly successful iPad for several hundreds less.

I'm not debating which tablet is better...I'm just questioning the marketing strategy that motorola is using here. But what do I know?...I'm responding via a modest $279 tablet.
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$800 off contract for the XOOM makes sense.

It will be subsidized if you sign a 2 year data contract. Remember that the Galaxy Tab started off between 500-600 on contract then got pushed down to $300 by Sprint. The same will happen.

I bought my evo off contract for $450. The subsidized price with contract renewal was $200.

There's a lot of pre-emptive sticker shock based on speculation going on. Heads exploded when a best buy website said the xoom was going to be $1200 when all that happened to be was a placeholder price on the page set up to be the pre-order one in anticipation of its launch.

I expect the Xoom to be $500-ish on contract once the dust settles.

The last thing I need is another data plan. I have a rooted nookcolor that can run honeycomb. For cameras and GPS, I have my evo that I can use to wirelessly tether my NC to.
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Think about this...

$500 "on contract" price (if that's available) + 5GB 3G data plan for 24 months = $1,700 total ownership cost before you buy a screen protector, case, apps, etc.

Now throw the 3G or 4G phone and phone/data plan cost on top of that. If you buy a 3G phone for $200 on a 2 year contract, your minimum total cost of the phone ($200), phone plan ($40/month for 450 minutes), and data plan ($30/month) will be approximately $2,000 (after taxes).

$2,000 + $1,700 = $3,700 for 2 years (or $1,850 per year)

I don't know that people will be too eager to buy tablets on contract. The price of the data plans is a big turnoff for many people. Forget the price of the device itself as that is a one time fee and you can actually sell the device if you needed or wanted to...it's a tangible good.

I'm not saying people shouldn't buy a tablet on contract but especially in uncertain economic times, a tablet with a data plan may end up being a burden. Having a tablet without a data plan and a much smaller tethering fee that can be added or deleted at will seems like a much more reasonable option.

I think the wifi only tablet market will continue to thrive as long as data packages are as expensive as they currently are. If a data plan is required for the XOOM...it's DOOMed LOL
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Honestly, I think people would be foolish to buy a tablet (any tablet) on contract. Do you really want to lock in to a device that's going to be laughably out dated in six months or less? I don't see why you would buy a data plan anyway with wi-fi being as available as it is.
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Honestly, I think people would be foolish to buy a tablet (any tablet) on contract. Do you really want to lock in to a device that's going to be laughably out dated in six months or less? I don't see why you would buy a data plan anyway with wi-fi being as available as it is.
Agreed. Almost all of us are already paying for unlimited mobile data on our phones. Just tether to your phone if you are out of wifi range.
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