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Old February 14th, 2011, 10:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm thinking about returning my Nook Color (before I root and void the warranty), and getting an Archos 70. I really don't want to have to hack anything to get it right. If I had a friend that had rooted anything and could hold my hand through the process, I might feel better about it, but I'm on my own here.

Am I making a mistake, and should I stick with the NC?

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I dont own either but i think you should keep the NC. The Archos only has 256mb of ram. The proccesor is alittle faster but the NC has a solid proccesor in my opinion. The NC is getting alot of support and i think it will only grow. I am going to get a tablet and though at first i was thinking Archos i decided on the NC. Hope i have helped atleast alittle bit. Oh yeah you dont have to hack the NC you can boot off the sd card wich only requires a micro sd card and software to burn it to the card.
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tough one to answer. I wanted an e-reader first, so it was a no-brainer for me.

I was new at this too and it took a lot of nerve to do it. I am having fun personalizing this thing for sure though.
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The NC has a much better screen. If you want to read books the NC is definitely the way to go.
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Like my friend UBRocked told me in some PM's, the NC has more RAM and can be overclocked to 1.1ghz and is reasonably faster device. He has both of these devices btw. Maybe if he comes in this thread he can put his input on it.

I'm getting the NC because of UBRocked, he convinced me to get the NC over the Archos 70. The NC has a lot more dev community support than the Archos 70 and has a much brighter future. The NC can run Android 3.0 (not stable yet though) and I don't see the Archos 70 pulling that out...

I'd keep the NC man. And just watch this video in the OP: Going to buy NC tonight! will root soon! I've watched it (I don't have the NC yet) and it seems VERY simple!

Good luck on your decision though!
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I'm sure UB will jump in....3......2.......1..... jk

UB has both the archos and NC so he'll probably give a very honest opinion. As for my opinion....here it goes.

I've seen almost all your threads...and I think the Archos will be good enough for you. I honestly don't think it's gonna be upgraded to honeycomb so the 256 mb will be good enough. But that can also be a downside because I think you'll be stuck in Froyo land forever or at least for a while.

The screen is not as good as the NC but I don't think it's that bad considering the Archos 70 is only a 7inch tablet. It should still be ok for ereading.

If you end up returning the Archos your other choice will be the galaxy tab which requires zero modifications out of the box.
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Haha...Nice to feel like the red carpet is rolled out waiting for me!

First of all...I just want to say that while I had a lengthy conversation with nathan312, HE made the choice for the NC...I only provided pros and cons of both devices and never gave a specific recommendation.

I truly feel like both devices offer great value!

Here is a brief rundown as I see it...

The NOOKcolor has:

- better build quality
- a better screen (higher resolution - better e-reader for sure...duh )
- more RAM (512MB vs. 256MB on the Archos) which results in more responsiveness throughout
- better developer support (come on...you can already run a pretty decent 3.0 implementation)
- CHARGES OFF MICRO USB WALL CHARGER UNLIKE THE ARCHOS - hooked to a computer using 2.1 it doesn't charge but any micro usb wall charger will work in a pinch (if using 3.0 it does charge via USB cable attached to a computer)

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- "plasticy" feeling build quality but VERY thin and light...easy to hold for long periods of time (trust me...the NC feels heavy after awhile)
- better multimedia experience all around (much better speakers, better video support, and a kickstand )
- HDMI port (not a big deal for me...but it's definitely a pro for many users)
- Out of the box all you need to do is add the Android Market and most users would be set

It's hard for me to say which one I like better. I'm not trying to be PC about it...but I go back and forth with which tablet is a better fit. Neither one is a perfect tablet but $250 for the NC and $279 for the A70IT...it's hard to go wrong! Just depends on what is important to you. The NC takes a little more hacking to get it set up...but has MUCH greater development support so the possibilities are greater. The A70IT is a MUCH better multimedia device (although Flash is a bit lackluster on it).

Just my opinions here. If I didn't have both devices available to me to play with...I don't know which one I'd go with...but once there is a 100% stable version of Honeycomb running on the NC...that decision would probably be easier
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You guys all Rock (no pun intended, UB)! Thanks for all the great advice on this thread as well as the "rooting" threads. Still nervous about screwing up, but I'd never be riding a Harley if I was afraid to try new things. At least this won't give my family as much heartburn.....
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I was sure I was going to buy a NC this weekend. Now the A70IT seems like a good choice too, though the low RAM is a concern for Android OS. I guess this is a good reason to keep procrastinating.
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If they get honeycomb working well on this thing, i'll be grabbing a 16gb mSD (class 6 or higher).

That way, i'll have Honeycomb on a card and a rooted 2.1 in the internal memory. I am just wondering if the processor is going to be too slow for Honeycomb on the NC, or there might be too little RAM.
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If they get honeycomb working well on this thing, i'll be grabbing a 16gb mSD (class 6 or higher).

That way, i'll have Honeycomb on a card and a rooted 2.1 in the internal memory. I am just wondering if the processor is going to be too slow for Honeycomb on the NC, or there might be too little RAM.
Nope!

I can tell you from the 3.0 Preview out now that the NC works just fine. The 3.0 build itself needs a little work but most of that will probably need to wait until the Honeycomb source is released by Google.

The NC has 512MB of RAM and an 800Mhz processor that can be overclocked to 1.1GHz. And it's sufficient power @ 800Mhz
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If they get honeycomb working well on this thing, i'll be grabbing a 16gb mSD (class 6 or higher).

That way, i'll have Honeycomb on a card and a rooted 2.1 in the internal memory. I am just wondering if the processor is going to be too slow for Honeycomb on the NC, or there might be too little RAM.
Amazon.com: Kingmax 16GB microSDHC Class 10 with Micro SD Adapter - Retail: Electronics

I am thinking of getting this if I get a NC this weekend.
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Ok i went ahead and bought a NC. Just from messing with it 30 minutes or so i am glad with my choice. Using froyo at the moment but will try honeycomb tonight.
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I just bought a NC myself, largely based on UBRocked's summary. I decided I really wanted a great eReader that could do some other things (internet mostly). So the Nook was just a better fit.
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I just bought a NC myself, largely based on UBRocked's summary. I decided I really wanted a great eReader that could do some other things (internet mostly). So the Nook was just a better fit.
Personally, I would not call the Nook a great e-reader. The Kindle kicks it's ass as a purely dedicated e-reader. I would have a hard time justifying spending $250 on a NC if I weren't going to turn it into a tablet.
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Personally, I would not call the Nook a great e-reader. The Kindle kicks it's ass as a purely dedicated e-reader. I would have a hard time justifying spending $250 on a NC if I weren't going to turn it into a tablet.

Disagree. the kindle is great at text. There is a lot more material out there that requires more than that. Magazines, newspapars (which suck on the nook color btw - they need to make that a much better experience IMO)

I have a 3 year old that just devours books. We will order books from scholastic and he will want us to read them all to him as soon as they arrive at the door. The wife orders 10 books at a time and he wants em all. You should see his bookshelf - ridiculous!

The nook color for kids books is UN-freaking-believable. He loves the 'read to me feature and the pictures. The kindle can't touch it.

As for magazines, I sub'd to car and driver and it is a DREAM to read on the NC...its just fantastic.
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I am thinking of getting this if I get a NC this weekend.

class 10 might be worth it for the speed. I'm pretty sure someone said that there is a noticable difference.
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yeah. I was going to buy one, but i am just going to pick up a Galaxy Tab today instead.
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yeah. I was going to buy one, but i am just going to pick up a Galaxy Tab today instead.

i haven't even messed with one. I guess there is speculation that they'll get honeycomb...or at the least I would hope, Ice cream sammich.
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Haha, no problem!

After having several Android devices and rooting, ROM'ing, and hacking away at those...it becomes second nature after a while. But every device is different and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't slightly concerned when hacking a new device. But that fear is a good thing because it forces you to read the directions.

You should be fine but if you do have issues, we'll help to get you through it

You can call me wimpy now. I watched the YouTube video and read through the instructions to root the NC, and I just couldn't do it. Too nervous, and I didn't understand enough of what was going on to feel comfortable about it.

Got an Archos 70 this morning. The NC is going back as soon as I get the return label from BN.

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I'm thinking about returning my Nook Color (before I root and void the warranty), and getting an Archos 70. I really don't want to have to hack anything to get it right. If I had a friend that had rooted anything and could hold my hand through the process, I might feel better about it, but I'm on my own here.

Am I making a mistake, and should I stick with the NC?
I have Both, well actually I bought the nook for my fiance and bought the Archos 70it for myself.

Honestly the Nook has a more solid construction and the screen is super clear and sharp compared to my Archos. Also the nook responds faster than my Archos (nook has 512MB ram Archos has half that 256MB ).

However the Archos has a camera (but low quality), and nice front facing stereo speakers, HDMI output, and a kick stand.

Over all the NOOK is better (specs wise). However the Archos is made to be a multimedia device. If I could install stereo speakers, a camera, HDMI output, and a kick stand on the NOOK the Archos wouldn't even be in contention.

Keep your Nook. If you are worried about voiding the warrenty from rooting the device get the extended warranty like I did (covers damages). If your rooted Nook stops working maybe it falls also and they have to replace the hardware, Just saying (whistling).
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Disagree. the kindle is great at text. There is a lot more material out there that requires more than that. Magazines, newspapars (which suck on the nook color btw - they need to make that a much better experience IMO)

I have a 3 year old that just devours books. We will order books from scholastic and he will want us to read them all to him as soon as they arrive at the door. The wife orders 10 books at a time and he wants em all. You should see his bookshelf - ridiculous!

The nook color for kids books is UN-freaking-believable. He loves the 'read to me feature and the pictures. The kindle can't touch it.

As for magazines, I sub'd to car and driver and it is a DREAM to read on the NC...its just fantastic.
I can't imagine buying kids books on the NC because of how expensive they are vs the time the kids spend with them. One kids book is what $5-6? You can buy 6 or 7 of them at the used bookstore for that price and the kid gets just as much enjoyment out of them. I looked at magazines on the NC and the Kindle and found them much more expensive than their print counterparts.
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I can't imagine buying kids books on the NC because of how expensive they are vs the time the kids spend with them. One kids book is what $5-6? You can buy 6 or 7 of them at the used bookstore for that price and the kid gets just as much enjoyment out of them. I looked at magazines on the NC and the Kindle and found them much more expensive than their print counterparts.
I was simply pointing out that "as a reader" the kindle excels in only 1 area.

whereas the nook color excels in all others.

but yes, the prices are high for kids books.

as far as magazines, its not that much more (if at all) If i remember, my Car and driver was something like $12.00 for the year. Pretty normal sub price.
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I was simply pointing out that "as a reader" the kindle excels in only 1 area.

whereas the nook color excels in all others.

but yes, the prices are high for kids books.

as far as magazines, its not that much more (if at all) If i remember, my Car and driver was something like $12.00 for the year. Pretty normal sub price.
But you're leaving out things like price, size, viewability of the screen, battery life and weight. For what you get, the Kindle is better at all of those. I was reading on my NC sitting in front of my living room window. The blinds were drawn, but I could still see a glare on my screen. If someone tells me they are just looking for an e-reader and all they're going to do is read on it, I'm going to recommend the Kindle any day of the week. Strictly as e-readers, there just aren't enough reasons to recommend paying an extra $100 IMO.
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But you're leaving out things like price, size, viewability of the screen, battery life and weight. For what you get, the Kindle is better at all of those. I was reading on my NC sitting in front of my living room window. The blinds were drawn, but I could still see a glare on my screen. If someone tells me they are just looking for an e-reader and all they're going to do is read on it, I'm going to recommend the Kindle any day of the week. Strictly as e-readers, there just aren't enough reasons to recommend paying an extra $100 IMO.
it depends on what they read, doesn't it? mags, kids books, and the net are all better read on the nook color.

i'm not leaving out price....we're talking 'best' reader period, right? If they just read b/w text, then yes, the kindle is pretty much a no brainer. If they read more than that, it isn't so simple.
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Okay...I've seen this discussion somewhere else before...

Here's how it ends... The Kindle and Original Nook are e-ink screen e-readers at comparable prices. The Nookcolor is a TFT LCD e-reader that runs a smartphone/tablet OS. The biggest synergy between the Kindle, Nook, and Nookcolor is that they are all labeled as "e-readers" by their respective manufacturers.

If the Kindle or Nook ran on the Android OS...they could have their own forum section her at AF. They don't run Android and THAT is the biggest difference.

Back on topic. This thread is about the Nookcolor and Archos70.

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i dont want to further derail, but the NC has an IPS display. the original e-ink nook does run on android 1.5 cupcake. I have one and its rooted but theres really not much more functionality you can get out of it...theres a small market where you can get another browser, calibre, some tools, a crossword game, but its really limited, which is why it doesnt have its own forum here and has been basically a project on nookdevs.com. When the color came out, it changed everything and exploded with xda developer love. E-ink does one thing and does it great: lines of text. Nothing is better for that, but thats all it excels at so its a single-purpose device. The NC is far more versatile and the fact that only about 3 months after its launch its the best selling item in B&N company history should tell you that paying customers buy in to the backlit LCD ereader.
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Old February 17th, 2011, 01:27 AM   #30 (permalink)
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i dont want to further derail, but the NC has an IPS display. the original e-ink nook does run on android 1.5 cupcake. I have one and its rooted but theres really not much more functionality you can get out of it...theres a small market where you can get another browser, calibre, some tools, a crossword game, but its really limited, which is why it doesnt have its own forum here and has been basically a project on nookdevs.com. When the color came out, it changed everything and exploded with xda developer love. E-ink does one thing and does it great: lines of text. Nothing is better for that, but thats all it excels at so its a single-purpose device. The NC is far more versatile and the fact that only about 3 months after its launch its the best selling item in B&N company history should tell you that paying customers buy in to the backlit LCD ereader.
Thanks for the corrections... I didn't realize that the original nook ran Android (but 1.5 barely counts ).

The NC is basically an Android Tablet that B&N has turned into a e-reader. Rooting just removes those limitations that B&N put on the device (access to the market, ability for home screen replacements, etc.).
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There is a reason why the Nook color received a People's choice award at CES and the A70, didn't
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I was watching a video about that while on my NC but I couldn't hear the audio because of the crappy NC's speakers...so I had to grab my Archos 70
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I was watching a video about that while on my NC but I couldn't hear the audio because of the crappy NC's speakers...so I had to grab my Archos 70
rofl!!

hey old man, its not the speakers that are the problem...
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The speakers on the NC do really suck. They are my only real complaint about the device. My brother bought me one of these for my birthday and I absolutely love it. It works amazing with the NC. It's compact so it's easy to carry around and really delivers some nice sound for what it is. I'm sure it won't satisfy a hardcore audiophile, but for the average guy who simply finds the speakers poor in general, it's a great add on. I used it all day yesterday while streaming video from my computer.
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The speakers on the NC do really suck. They are my only real complaint about the device. My brother bought me one of these for my birthday and I absolutely love it. It works amazing with the NC. It's compact so it's easy to carry around and really delivers some nice sound for what it is. I'm sure it won't satisfy a hardcore audiophile, but for the average guy who simply finds the speakers poor in general, it's a great add on. I used it all day yesterday while streaming video from my computer.
I just picked up the previous model of these, which work well (ok, I haven't tried them on the NC yet, but they work fine on my laptop, MP3 player and Droid Incredible. $12, and you can use the battery pack as a portable usb external battery for your phone/NC (sadly not the A70 since it doesn't charge through USB).

If you're in Best Buy, they might still have some of the old/cheap ones.
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I just picked up the previous model of these, which work well (ok, I haven't tried them on the NC yet, but they work fine on my laptop, MP3 player and Droid Incredible. $12, and you can use the battery pack as a portable usb external battery for your phone.

If you're in Best Buy, they might still have some of the old/cheap ones.
That's a nice form factor. It could potentially fit in a NC case too.
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hey old man, its not the speakers that are the problem...
Not anymore...

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