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Old October 7th, 2011, 07:49 AM   #51 (permalink)
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RDK, I liked Files (file manager) better than Astro as well. Wish he would put it back in Unl3ash3d.
You guys really need to buy Titanium Backup Pro (if you haven't already) and backup every app (user and system) on a regular basis. I'm running 1.5 and "Files" isn't in there. So I simply fired up TiBu and restored the app. Took all of 5 seconds. Just sayin'. Don't depend on Devs to keep the apps that you like. It's their ROM, not yours.

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You guys really need to buy Titanium Backup Pro (if you haven't already) and backup every app (user and system) on a regular basis. I'm running 1.5 and "Files" isn't in there. So I simply fired up TiBu and restored the app. Took all of 5 seconds. Just sayin'. Don't depend on Devs to keep the apps that you like. It's their ROM, not yours.
I bought TB Pro as it's definitiely a Very worthwhile application for everyone to own thus I wanted to send the dev(s) some THANX ($$)... But I long ago uninstalled it as I always run a Clockworks backup before flashing any new version so I can always go back and extract anything I need from an earlier version from the backup system or data tarfile...

I don't want to dissuade anyone from purchasing TB Pro, as it's the easiest tool there is for most folks general use, just I wanted to comment here for folks who may have done a Clockwork Backup but hadn't previously run TB Pro as they aren't out of luck, just takes more manual steps to recover something...
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I need to take some time and organize my thoughts. Nothing too earth-shattering. Just what stock features are affected when removing (freezing) some of the bloatware.

Were you able to get this done yet?
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Thanks for all the info in this thread. I finally decided to root my Bionic that I've had since release day. First thing I did was buy Titanium Backup Pro and start freezing bloat using the lists here. Definitely enjoying root / they're some pretty cool root apps.
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Thanks for all the info in this thread. I finally decided to root my Bionic that I've had since release day. First thing I did was buy Titanium Backup Pro and start freezing bloat using the lists here. Definitely enjoying root / they're some pretty cool root apps.
Ditto - got my bionic on day 1 and just rooted it 2 nights ago, bought TiBu pro yesterday and froze all that crap! WHat cool root apps have you found?

QUESTION - When an OTA update is released and if I accept it, will it remove root as well as thaw the frozen programs? Thanks!
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It will remove root, because the /System partition should be formatted. There is a small possibility though, that it may not, and will only update the files in that partition.

As to whether it blocks any future rooting, we're not 100% sure yet.

Finally, It won't unfreeze apps per se, but if it formats the partitions, then yes, they will appear to be unfrozen.

If it updates existing apps, I'm not sure if it will install missing ones or just skip over them.

Also, there is the possibility that the update may not take if all the apps are not present and accounted for, so that is why we suggest freezing instead of deleting - so if that is the case, we unfreeze ,and poof! Instant update.
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Ditto - got my bionic on day 1 and just rooted it 2 nights ago, bought TiBu pro yesterday and froze all that crap! WHat cool root apps have you found?

QUESTION - When an OTA update is released and if I accept it, will it remove root as well as thaw the frozen programs? Thanks!
Looks like John thoroughly answered the 2nd question, as for the first one about root apps, that's a good idea for a new thread! Made one here: Root Apps - What do you recommend / have installed? so we don't throw this thread off topic.
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The ota wont take if bloat is missing. The ota wont be less than the leaks that are circulating and they do not work without the bloat. The leaks btw are intended for developer phones with unlocked bootloaders. Update with one and you can't update later because you will be stuck on an intermediate kernel.
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As for useful root apps. Ad free, permissions denied, wifi tether, reboot widget, es file explorer, cmr if you are rom'ing, titanium backup
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I had one of the incremental updates take with 20 items frozen in my phone.

But, at the time, I didn't think about it - with TiBu i opted to not remove he market links for those items I froze.

I wonder if that had something to do with it?
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Good to know. Everything previous to this that I've read always said you had to unfreeze them first. That sounds like the same settings I used when I froze my apps in TiBu.
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I had one of the incremental updates take with 20 items frozen in my phone.

But, at the time, I didn't think about it - with TiBu i opted to not remove he market links for those items I froze.

I wonder if that had something to do with it?
Though I have experienced incremental updates that didn't affect root or frozen bloat over the years on many phones, I have not seen this effect on the leaks circulating for the bionic as they wipe the system partition.
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The Incs didn't wipe system - or at least one of them didn't lol.

I believe it was the MR1 (the same one that broke WebTop) that didn't wipe.

I made a post about it either on MDW or ZDA, cannot remember which. Probably MDW
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I had Global Unplug frozen on my Droid X.

Anyone know if it's safe to freeze on the Bionic? I'm inclined to think it is, but am surprised it's not listed.
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I am trying to update to .893 and i am having some trouble with restoring some of the bloatware I took off so I can update. Stuff like Backup Assistant when I try to restore it just keeps saying restoring and doesnt do it what should I do
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Old December 13th, 2011, 07:48 PM   #67 (permalink)
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I am having trouble restoring the following apps:
IM 3.0.4.6
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Does anyone know how to fix this?
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How are you trying to restore?
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How are you trying to restore?
Using Titanium Backup is there another way?
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Are you unfreezing or did you actually uninstall them/
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Are you unfreezing or did you actually uninstall them/
I uninstalled them and now I am trying to restore them. I only have the free version of Titanium Backup
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Hate to tell you this, but you're better off using R3L34S3D root to revert to fully sotck, applying root and 43v3r root, and then trying for the update.

And buy Titanium Backup - support the dev - and FREEZE the apps after applying the update, do not uninstall them because this will happen again.

Those files are trying to be reinstalled and they are used by another app that you did not uninstall, and they will not be installing b/c the app that uses them is already running and thus the system won't allow you to add a new component that is used by that system app b/c it's already checked for that component and in order to add it back to the system it needs to register with the running app.

You'd have to find a way to FC that app before being able to install it back, or else do it completely manually via adb, but at this point, you're best shot is to make a full Ti Bu and then use the R3L34S3D root tool to revert, then root, then apply 43v3r root, and finally look for the update.
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Old December 13th, 2011, 09:08 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Hate to tell you this, but you're better off using R3L34S3D root to revert to fully sotck, applying root and 43v3r root, and then trying for the update.

And buy Titanium Backup - support the dev - and FREEZE the apps after applying the update, do not uninstall them because this will happen again.

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Okay so what do you mean using R3L34S3D root to revert to fully stock. Will I lose all my app data and stuff and could you post some links too that would be helpful. Then by applying root do you mean using petes one click method thing or a different method and same thing with 43v4r root I dont know what that is.
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1) In the ATR Guide: http://androidforums.com/bionic-all-things-root/413871-motorola-droid-bionic-all-things-root-guide-updated-11-1-11-a.html go to the first section http://androidforums.com/bionic-all-things-root/413871-motorola-droid-bionic-all-things-root-guide-updated-11-1-11-a.html#all - it ahs the links.

2) This thread (that we're posting in right now) specifically tells you to not remove the apps but to freeze them.

3) There might be a way to get all of this working without having to go through the FXZ restore method, but TBH, I'm not sure what else you might have done to your phone, and rather than face the possibility that later on the update fails to apply b/c of something else that is not right, it would be in your best interest to start from scratch.
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1) In the ATR Guide: http://androidforums.com/bionic-all-things-root/413871-motorola-droid-bionic-all-things-root-guide-updated-11-1-11-a.html go to the first section http://androidforums.com/bionic-all-things-root/413871-motorola-droid-bionic-all-things-root-guide-updated-11-1-11-a.html#all - it ahs the links.

2) This thread (that we're posting in right now) specifically tells you to not remove the apps but to freeze them.

3) There might be a way to get all of this working without having to go through the FXZ restore method, but TBH, I'm not sure what else you might have done to your phone, and rather than face the possibility that later on the update fails to apply b/c of something else that is not right, it would be in your best interest to start from scratch.

All i have done is remove bloatware. And i was thinking bout a factory reset cause i can have all my apps backed up on titanium backup. Is that what you meant by the restore then root and then the root hack thing
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No, factory reset just removes all your downloaded apps, settings, and Google account(s) info, it does not restore apps you've removed from the system.
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No, factory reset just removes all your downloaded apps, settings, and Google account(s) info, it does not restore apps you've removed from the system.
Good thing I didnt do that then. So I would download the program and choose the first option which is restore root and the hack root. It says it wipes data and cache so I would need to back up all my apps on titanium backup then? Would I need to unroot first or would it be okay that I am already rooted?

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Don't do anything other than

1) make a fresh TiBu

2) Run the utility and revert to stock,

3) root and apply 43v3r root
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1) make a fresh TiBu

2) Run the utility and revert to stock,

3) root and apply 43v3r root
1) By make a fresh TiBu you mean back up all your apps right?

2 and 3) My four options are:
1 Restore root and 43v3r root a bionic

2 Root and 43v3r root a non rooted Bionic

3 43v3r root a rooted bionic

4 Restore Bionic ONLY - NO root

which option should I choose?
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1) Yes. After the phone boots back up you'll need to sign in to your Google account to move forward, or you can skip, then go back to the R3L34S3D root program and go ahead and root, and then install TiBu (gotta find it though, as you can't download from market without first signing into the market, try his website at Titanium Backup for Android ? Official Site

2+3) use option 1. Again, after everything installs and ht phone automatically boots, check every thing out, log in to your Google account (or skip) and then check everything out.
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1) Yes. After the phone boots back up you'll need to sign in to your Google account to move forward, or you can skip, then go back to the R3L34S3D root program and go ahead and root, and then install TiBu (gotta find it though, as you can't download from market without first signing into the market, try his website at Titanium Backup for Android ? Official Site

2+3) use option 1. Again, after everything installs and ht phone automatically boots, check every thing out, log in to your Google account (or skip) and then check everything out.

I can just download TiBu from the market right? Also what do you mean check everything in and everything out?
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I meant make sure all is good with the phone.
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Has anyone discovered the APK names of all these? I prefer the old method of either renaming to .BAK or my other method of moving them to a secure place on my SD card. I use Root Explorer so having the APK names would be greatly appreciated.
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It's a lot easier (and safer) using Titanium backup to freeze them - and you have a second option to choose if you want to disassociate them from Market, so if you opt not to, you'll still get notifications whenever there is an update for the frozen apps.

Plus, I have the full system dump - in /system/app alone there are 408 files, so.....

1/2 are the .odex files, so that's still 204 just in /system/app.

I suppose that Titanium Backup may provide the actual file name too - I think it used to in a separate dialog box.
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Stealing from the list in post 6, I added all of the apps I have frozen as well. My notes are in RED.


Alarm & Timer 2.3.4
Amazon Kindle 3.0.2.71
Android Live Wallpapers 2.3.4

Android Live Wallpapers 2.3.4
Backup Assistant 2.3.4
Backup Assistant Client 1.0
Bookmarks Widget 2.3.4
[BOOKMARKS] Browser 2.3.4 (stock browser) (I kept this one)
Citrix Receiver 2.1.1059
City ID 1.1.7
Device Setup 1.0
DLNA 0709.69
DlnaSystemService 1.0

Email 2.3.4 (I kept this one)
Email Authenticator 2.3.4 (I kept this one)
Files 2.3.4
Flickr Authenticator 2.3.4
Gmail 2.3.5 (I like K-9 Mail)
GoToMeeting 1.0
Guided Tours 2.3.4
Help Center 2.3.4
Homescreen 1.0.0.106
Home screen tips 1.0 (I deleted this one)
IM 3.0.4.6 (I deleted this one)
IM Presence 2.3.4 (I deleted this one)
Live Wallpaper Picker 2.3.4
Messaging 2.3.4 (I kept this, even though I use Handcent)
MOTOPRINT 2.0.0.38 (I froze updated version 2.0.0.62)
News 2.3.4 (I deleted this one)
Print to Retail 1.0
Setup 2.3.4
Slacker 3.0.535 (I kept this one)
Social Location 2.0
Social Messaging 2.3.4
Social Networking 2.3.4
Social Status 2.3.4
Sticky note 2.3.4
Swype 3.21.87.27685 (I deleted this and installed version 3.25.91.31127)
System Portal 2.3.4
Talk 1.3
Task Manager 10.0
Tasks 1.0
Terminal Emulator 2.3.4 (I deleted this one)
Toggle Widgets 2.3.4
Twitter Authenticator 2.3.4
Universal Inbox 2.3.4 -- there are 2, both can be safely frozen
V CAST Media Manager 4.4.1.0
V CAST Music 03.72.110
V CAST Tones 4.5.11
V CAST Videos 5.72.008
VideoSurf 1.0.10
VZ Navigator 7.2.0.353
Weather 2.3.4
Webtop 1.0 (I kept this one)
Webtop Connector 1.0 (I kept this one)
World Clock 1.0
Yahoo Contacts 2.3.4
ZumoCast 1.0.25
Well. I used Titanium backup to freeze most, but not all of the apps listed above. And my phone will not boot up. I'm at a loss as to what to do at this point. Help!
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Can you get into stock recovery?
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Can you get into stock recovery?
The only thing I could manage to do was to follow the instructions for this:

R3l3AS3DRoot_Windows_V2.1.zip

And it worked like a charm.

Everything seems to be okay right now, but I'm afraid to go back in and freeze anything.
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Anybody tried freezing the new bloat we got with .901/.902?
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I've frozen both Sling and Mog without an issue.
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I've frozen both Sling and Mog without an issue.
Same here, also froze Amazon MP3, VZW Package Installer, and Apps (VZW). No issues so far.

On a related note, I discovered that if you freeze Email Engine (I use Gmail), it will cause the Calendar app to force close when attempting to add a new calendar event. Defrosting fixed it. So don't freeze that one.
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Has anyone tried removing or freezing the Emergency Alerts app that was installed in the new update? I don't want that crap on my phone.

Update:

I just tried to use Titanium to Force remove it and the app will not get away. However, a regular uninstall through Titanium works.
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Based on the information contained here I froze the following:
Amazon MP3 2.0.15
Apps 2.00.54
Backup Assistant 2.3.4
Backup Assistant Client 1.0
Citrix Receiver 2.1.1078
City ID 1.1.7
IM 3.0.4.6
IM Presence 2.3.4
MOG
Slacker 3.0.546
Slingbox 1.0
Social Location 2.0
Social Messaging 2.3.4
Social Networking 2.3.4
Social Status 2.3.4
Twitter Authenticator 2.3.4
V CAST Media Manager 4.4.1.0
V CAST Tones 4.5.12
VideoSurf 1.1.7
VZ Navigator 7.2.0.452

It might all be in my head but after freezing these apps then rebooting, the device just seems a little snappier.
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It will be - because some of those apps are not loading into the phone's memory.
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Anybody know exactly what the "VZW Package Installer" does? Sounds like it can be safely frozen, but I'd just like a little explanation before I do so.
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Anybody know exactly what the "VZW Package Installer" does? Sounds like it can be safely frozen, but I'd just like a little explanation before I do so.
Along the same lines, what about Myspace authenticator?
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Along the same lines, what about Myspace authenticator?
Funny, I finally got around to freezing apps last night after the move to .902 and was wondering about all of the various authenticators as well.

Corporate Sync Authenticator
Facebook Authenticator
Flickr Authenticator
LastFM Authenticator
LinkedIn Authenticator
MySpace Authenticator
Orkut Authenticator
Photobucket Authenticator
Picasa Authenticator
SkyRocket Authenticator
Twitter Authenticator
Yahoo Mail Authenticator
YouTube Authenticator

Anybody know about freezing these if you don't use a particular service?


Also,
I didn't see these in the list either:
Social Messaging Service
Social Sharing

Anybody know if these are ok to freeze like the other Social* apps?
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Suggestion for the OP and/or a moderator:

Can you change the title of this sticky to "Safe Bloat to Freeze"?

As has been documented, removing/deleting some of these apps can cause problems later on.
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Funny, I finally got around to freezing apps last night after the move to .902 and was wondering about all of the various authenticators as well.

Corporate Sync Authenticator
Facebook Authenticator
Flickr Authenticator
LastFM Authenticator
LinkedIn Authenticator
MySpace Authenticator
Orkut Authenticator
Photobucket Authenticator
Picasa Authenticator
SkyRocket Authenticator
Twitter Authenticator
Yahoo Mail Authenticator
YouTube Authenticator
I believe all the "Authenticator" apps are for when you add an account to your phone (in settings under Accounts). For instance, if you add a Yahoo email account, it invokes the Yahoo Authenticator, asks for your credentials, and then authenticates with Yahoo's servers to allow synch access. I've never seen one of them running unless invoked in this manner, so personally I left them all unfrozen. They seem harmless enough and you never know when you might need to add a new account for some unforeseen reason.

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Also,
I didn't see these in the list either:
Social Messaging Service
Social Sharing

Anybody know if these are ok to freeze like the other Social* apps?
I have both of those frozen and haven't had any issues.
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Anybody know exactly what the "VZW Package Installer" does? Sounds like it can be safely frozen, but I'd just like a little explanation before I do so.
I read somewhere (can't recall the source, sorry) that the VZW Package Installer works in tandem with the new VZW App store. So presumably if you purchase an app via the VZW App store, in would then invoke VZW Package Installer to install it. I have both frozen because I have no intention of buying apps from VZW, and have had no issues so far.
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Ok... here is my situation. A very quick history first:

I've been with Android since day 1 (with G1) but I've avoided root and everything to do with it mostly because I rely on my phone so much and don't want to have to screw around with it when I really need it. For whatever reason I finally cracked because of the amount of bloat on the Bionic and decided to go root mostly so I can get rid of all the bloat. So, I did that and got Titanium backup. I will admit... perhaps I rushed a little bit and didn't read up enough. I thought I'd be ok with backing up and uninstalling some apps (because I hadn't purchased Titanium Pro yet - so I couldn't freeze)... so I did that with some apps. Then I started reading more and it sounds like Freeze is the way to go and uninstalling can cause some issues. I like to be as kosher with my phone as possible, so to be safe I restored as many backups as possible then froze them (after purchasing the Pro version of Titanium).

So here is where I am now. In Titanium Backup I have the following apps which I backed up and uninstalled but I can't seem to restore them:

Guided Tours 2.3.4
IM 3.0.4.6
IM Presence 2.3.4

I also see the following apps/services which I don't think I ever uninstalled but they show up in the list with a line through them... not sure what's going on with these:

com.android.music
com.pv.android.verizon.mod
mot.app.admin

So... I have two questions. First of all... my phone is working fine.. I have had zero issues and I swear it's running better after getting rid of the bloatware. I guess my only concern is that at some point if we ever get an ICS (yeah... right...) or other update then I might run into problems. Do any of you here know... or feel fairly confident that I would run into issues with some sort of update because IM and/or Guided Tours is missing from my phone? I kind of find it hard to believe that this is the case.. but I have no real-world experience to backup my instinctive guess here. I would REALLY like to avoid having to factory reset my phone or restore to some image or something. I kind of have my phone exactly the way I want it right now... I'd really like to avoid more time and hastle.

Second question... does anybody know what those other three apps are and if I should be worried about those?
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