First sentence in my post "Has anyone else got the new ToS..."
Some people never read their terms of service, or at least don't ever read amendments to those terms... I just thought I would provide a heads up.
The ToS are freely available on Boost's site.
I think my paraphrasing is close enough to Boost's intent to be sufficiently clear.
I will consider pasting in the changes later, after work, if someone else with more time has not already. (read that as "feel free to post those terms in this thread if you wish")
It's kind of depressing, which is why I am off to work... to get my mind off of such upsetting news... I don't want to have to return to post paid T-Mobile or Verizon, but I may have to.
Let's see how many other people respond that HAVE received notice of the new terms..
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Correct me if Im wrong, but hasnt rooting always been a ToS violation? I wouldnt worry too much about that and modded roms. But for the people that have been using tethering to play CoD on the 360 for 12hrs a day, your days are numbered. http://youtu.be/dsx2vdn7gpY
"We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason. For example, we can suspend or terminate any Service for the following: (a) failure to have or maintain an appropriate account balance for applicable charges; (b) harassing/threatening/abusing/offending our employees or agents; (c) providing false or inaccurate information; (d) interfering with our operations; (e) using/suspicion of using Services in any manner restricted by or inconsistent with the Agreement and Policies; (f) breaching, failing to follow, or abusing the Agreement or Policies; (g) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications (for example, rooting the device); or (h) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer’s interests, or our networks."
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(c) providing false or inaccurate information;
WHAT???
They're about to suspend all my accounts! (I have 3). All of my "account holders" live in the local Dunkin Donuts! I just use that address instead of my real address. Not that they care... or so I thought!
They're about to suspend all my accounts! (I have 3). All of my "account holders" live in the local Dunkin Donuts! I just use that address instead of my real address. Not that they care... or so I thought!
If they catch on just tell them you're homeless and everyone runs on Dunkin, lol.
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I guess if you think about it, they can have people check out the forums, xda, ect, and see what people are doing. They can use these sites like we do. Really now, they have people that are paid to figure stuff out. Now if one or two are doing rooting or whatever, no big deal. Now if alot of people are then they need to try to stop it. Some of the updates were prolly to break root and did. the smarter of us figure out how to get around that, and now the smarter of them are trying to work around us, trying to beat us at our game. It's like a war going on. You don't hear about this stuff going on in the beggining, then as more phones being sold and data sky rocketting, well they want it to stop. The main reason is now that they have you addicted to greatness, well, upgrade and pay them more money,YES, ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. That is how I see it.
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I would say this is mainly an out for them to get rid of "Problem" users. The ones tethering to their Xbox360 without being on a plan that includes it, would be an example. I also have the SGS2 but don't have the extra tethering add on seeing as I have cable internet at 20 plus Mbps. Having been a loyal customer for several years who doesn't burn up the data lanes, I don't imagine any problems.
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Originally Posted by The~Skater~187
I just got this text today myself.
This is taken right from the Boost T.O.S:
"We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason. For example, we can suspend or terminate any Service for the following: (a) failure to have or maintain an appropriate account balance for applicable charges; (b) harassing/threatening/abusing/offending our employees or agents; (c) providing false or inaccurate information; (d) interfering with our operations; (e) using/suspicion of using Services in any manner restricted by or inconsistent with the Agreement and Policies; (f) breaching, failing to follow, or abusing the Agreement or Policies; (g) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications (for example, rooting the device); or (h) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer’s interests, or our networks."
WOW! I just read the whole thing and we are pretty much screwed if they decide to cancel our service. What gets me is that they say they can cancel our service if we modify our device. I really don't see how they can do that seeing as it's ours, bought and paid for. All we are paying for is their service. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how far they push it.
As for the people that are actually abusing the data plan, that's a different story. They know that tethering is not allowed. If they are gonna do it, the least they can do is not abuse it. Anything over 4 or 5 gigs a month is asking for trouble. Heck, even that much is pushing it.
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Haha Boost might be "cutting off its nose to spite itself."
They are probably pissed on the prevail side because of all the people that bricked their phones and then went crying to boost and where ever they got the phone and wanted a new 1.
I don't tether too much and I'm not gonna worry about it for now.
WOW! I just read the whole thing and we are pretty much screwed if they decide to cancel our service. What gets me is that they say they can cancel our service if we modify our device. I really don't see how they can do that seeing as it's ours, bought and paid for. All we are paying for is their service. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how far they push it.
As for the people that are actually abusing the data plan, that's a different story. They know that tethering is not allowed. If they are gonna do it, the least they can do is not abuse it. Anything over 4 or 5 gigs a month is asking for trouble. Heck, even that much is pushing it.
It's basically a 'No Idiot's' clause.
Too many people out there have no clue what they're doing, yet feel they have the right to do what they want to their device.
These are the people that will wonder why something stopped working when they deleted files they didn't recognize because they were 'out of space'
Some of those people are dumb enough to call Customer Service and detail every thing they did that caused the problem.
If a device is unmodified, the only problems the dumb customers can cause, are actual bugs, or hardware failures
TLDR: So long as you don't tell them that you're rooted, they really have no way to tell. They don't want to waste any time (read: money) fixing problems people caused for themselves.
Why this is not relevant I belive we should have root rights. We are not taking away from there service or affecting it by any means just cause we can do something they can't
Why this is not relevant I belive we should have root rights. We are not taking away from there service or affecting it by any means just cause we can do something they can't
Some peeps are tethering excessively and some others brick their phones while rooting and try to get warrantee work.
Some peeps are tethering excessively and some others brick their phones while rooting and try to get warrantee work.
Boost or any carrier can be harmed by rooters.
Yea I totally agree if you are tethering the phone to much and doing it over Xbox gaming which ive never done and never will but I'm just trying to state on my behalf that if you are a rooted user like me and like the phone just for a rom and to talk and text then they should only take away from those who are abusing it and making it harmful to boost company I do understand what your trying to say though
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Just my 2c !!!
This whole thread is soooooooooooo un-necessary !!! It just gives providers more insight about what people do with their phones !!
If someone is concerned about the "ToS", well, just don't root, don't tether, etc. but don't complain !! And don't make a big deal out of it and get everyone worried.........
We all know how much providers like tethering....... With threads like that, we just do the same for rooting !!!!
The whole thread ( in my opinion ) should be deleted !!!
Yea I totally agree if you are tethering the phone to much and doing it over Xbox gaming which ive never done and never will but I'm just trying to state on my behalf that if you are a rooted user like me and like the phone just for a rom and to talk and text then they should only take away from those who are abusing it and making it harmful to boost company I do understand what your trying to say though
I would guess Boost may be planning on dropping brickers and those excessive Netflix type users and this is a last warning.
I agree if they do as I do not want price increases in response to brickers/black-hole users. I like paying a low price and Boost still makes profit on me.
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People relax you are drowning in a glass of water. The larger carriers havent done anything against any rooters and when it comes to data its hard to tell how your data is being used. The no lawsuits its to cover their asses when they screw up on someone who hasnt rooted their device and still got the service cancel.
People relax you are drowning in a glass of water. The larger carriers havent done anything against any rooters and when it comes to data its hard to tell how your data is being used. The no lawsuits its to cover their asses when they screw up on someone who hasnt rooted their device and still got the service cancel.
The average user is not going to be using excessive amounts of data. When a user is using 4 or 5 GB of data, it's kinda obvious that something's going on that shouldn't be (from the carrier's POV). As for the people who do tether and use it to play online, if you have a faster connection, use that to play. Don't risk losing your phone over some online gaming. If your phone is your fastest connection and there is nothing around you that could be faster, you might look into a 3g/4g hotspot which would do the same thing as tethering your phone but without violating the ToS for your phone.
Just because someone is using a lot of data doesn't meant they are tethering. I could burn through several GB a day just streaming video with the xfinity play app.
Just because someone is using a lot of data doesn't meant they are tethering. I could burn through several GB a day just streaming video with the xfinity play app.
Just because someone is using a lot of data doesn't meant they are tethering. I could burn through several GB a day just streaming video with the xfinity play app.
ToS states throttling after 2.5 GB a month regardless. I would expect accounts like yours to be reviewed for being excessive.
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I'll have to check that out. I have never received a warning, and the only thing I found about throttling on Boost's webpage is 4G is throttled to 3G speeds after 2.5GB.
edit: and if they ever do start messing with 3G I'll switch to Tmobile I guess.
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Fwiw the throttle is just that they reserve the right to throttle without notice. I haven't experienced any throttling whatsoever when going over 2.5gv
This is also the first Boost Mobile device enabled with built-in mobile hotspot functionality allowing up to five Wi-Fi enabled devices to share the 3G or 4G experience on the go with a laptop, camera, music player, game unit, video player, or any other Wi-Fi enabled device. Use of this feature requires an additional fee of $10 per month.
Later this year, in order to provide the best value and customer experience, Boost Mobile will move to reduce 3G/4G data speeds to 3G speeds of 256kbps when a customer’s data usage exceeds 2.5GB in a month. Customers who go over the 2.5GB threshold may experience slower page loads, file downloads and streaming media. Data speeds will restore to full 3G/4G speeds when a customer’s new monthly plan begins.
Boost Mobile will continue to provide unlimited data access without a contract, usage cap, overage or activation fees. Based on recent usage patterns, approximately 95 percent of Boost Mobile customers use less than 2.5GB of data usage per month and will not experience any difference in their experience. Boost Mobile is committed to ensuring an unlimited robust data experience and intends to maintain 3G data speeds of 256 Kbps even after surpassing 2.5GB in a given month.
I just saw this on the Boost Mobile Facebook page and thought I would share it with everyone here, in case they didn't see it there. I am not sure if this is all of the changes that are going to be made, but it is what a Boost rep responded to someones question about the ToS.
Boost Mobile Hi Philip, here are all the new charges in our terms & conditions. "Usage Charges"- Rates that vary based on the time of access will be determined based on the location of the network equipment providing service and not the location of your Device or your Device’s area code (if applicable).
"How We Calculate Your Charges"- Call time data displayed on your Device may be inaccurate and may not be relied upon for determining charges to your account. Call time for a single call may be limited. If the call exceeds the limit, then it may be automatically terminated.
"Switching Between Service Plans"- Unless otherwise provided in the detailed plan or other information we provide or refer you to during the sales transaction, you may switch to any current service plan. If you switch service plans, you may not receive a refund of any portion of any previously paid service charges and you may lose all of your remaining unused minutes, messages, and data allotment. Some service plans are available only on certain phones. Check boostmobile.com for details and options.
"No refunds of Re-Boost and Monthly Charges"- We are not responsible for, nor do we refund, lost, stolen, misused, or damaged Re-Boost cards. We do not accept returns of or provide refunds for Re-Boost cards. Please ask your retailer any questions regarding its return policy. Re-Boost cards must be applied to your account within the time specified on the card. All Re-Boost sales are final and non-refundable regardless of who uses or possesses your mobile phone or Device after you purchase services, and regardless of whether the mobile phone or Device is used with your consent or knowledge.
"Third Party Applications"- Be sure that you have reviewed and are comfortable with the third party’s policies before using its application on your device.
"Information on Devices"- If you exchange, return, or recycle your Device through us, we typically attempt to erase all data on your Device, but you must remove all data from your Device before you provide it to us.
"Lost and Stolen"- If you do not either activate a new device or notify us that you have found your Device within 60 days of the suspension of your account, your account will be deactivated, we may assess a charge equal to the balance in your account (which is not refundable), and, if applicable, you will lose your phone number. ^Jessica H
I just saw this on the Boost Mobile Facebook page and thought I would share it with everyone here, in case they didn't see it there. I am not sure if this is all of the changes that are going to be made, but it is what a Boost rep responded to someones question about the ToS.
Boost Mobile Hi Philip, here are all the new charges in our terms & conditions. "Usage Charges"- Rates that vary based on the time of access will be determined based on the location of the network equipment providing service and not the location of your Device or your Device’s area code (if applicable).
"How We Calculate Your Charges"- Call time data displayed on your Device may be inaccurate and may not be relied upon for determining charges to your account. Call time for a single call may be limited. If the call exceeds the limit, then it may be automatically terminated.
Hi dthmoas510,
Thanks for the post but what does this mean "Call time for a single call may be limited If the call exceeds the limit, then it may be automatically terminated."
I though Boost Mobile is UNLIMITED talk. I wounder what is the limit on the phone to talk now and that it will be LIMITED talk instead of Unlimited talk. Oh well I want a NEW phone anyway and I am about to change carriers to ATT and then be on a contract for 1 year (Hopefully they don't eliminate the 1 year contract on their website) and after the contract is over I will ask them to UNLOCK the GSM phone and then switch back to a prepaid wireless company like Straight Talk or SIMPLE Mobile to save money.
Thanks for the post but what does this mean "Call time for a single call may be limited If the call exceeds the limit, then it may be automatically terminated."
I though Boost Mobile is UNLIMITED talk. I wounder what is the limit on the phone to talk now and that it will be LIMITED talk instead of Unlimited talk. Oh well I want a NEW phone anyway and I am about to change carriers to ATT and then be on a contract for 1 year (Hopefully they don't eliminate the 1 year contract on their website) and after the contract is over I will ask them to UNLOCK the GSM phone and then switch back to a prepaid wireless company like Straight Talk or SIMPLE Mobile to save money.
I am thinking that this pertains to the Pay-as-you-go plan as to all the other plans are unlimited, as you stated
Has anyone else got the new ToS from Boost stating:
No class suits
No ROOT
No Mods
No Tethering without an approved device and plan payment
and the worst one "SUSPECTED" root or tethering is grounds for termination without means of reinstatement for users NOT GUILTY....
In other words, they can claim they thought you violated the terms, and even if you have not done so you have no recourse.
Boost can now boot anyone off their network without showing just cause, and it is not up for debate...
What do you all think about the new ToS?
As far as I know, all that was already included in the TOS. In the TOS effective August of 2011, they can terminate your service for whatever reason they want to, no class actions, etc.
As far as I know, all that was already included in the TOS. In the TOS effective August of 2011, they can terminate your service for whatever reason they want to, no class actions, etc.
All of the things being discussed here have been in the ToS for over a year now. The new ToS will be posted on 11/4
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i rooted MY boost guys phone the other day, just sayin. he works there and says they are not worried about it..it is mainly to keep people from breaking stuff, and covering THEMSELVES if they do. Not to mention they know they have no control over a rooted phone. I dont use tether for internet, i have xfinity at home with really good connection, i just use it at work to make my kindle happy, and i did try to pay them instead, they just wouldnt give it to me. im not worried about them going after me either.
I am thinking that this pertains to the Pay-as-you-go plan as to all the other plans are unlimited, as you stated
I worked at a store a couple years back (Prepaid & Misc crap) a Boost customer was shut off for "Using excessive Minutes" He used somewhere around 1000 minute in a weekend. He was super angry, had just got set up like a week before. Like the data I think they have a limit on Minute usage. Now this was a couple years ago so things might have changed.
I just buy the 5 dollar insurance and if its rooted and messes up i'll call and say it was stolen. they will never know it was rooted! 5 bucks times 12 is 60 plus 65 deductible so 120 for a new phone. even thought there going for 100.oo lol
I just buy the 5 dollar insurance and if its rooted and messes up i'll call and say it was stolen. they will never know it was rooted! 5 bucks times 12 is 60 plus 65 deductible so 120 for a new phone. even thought there going for 100.oo lol
Devious. I might even say smart or genius but that is just an example as to where this thread is headed. Disaster.
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I just buy the 5 dollar insurance and if its rooted and messes up i'll call and say it was stolen. they will never know it was rooted! 5 bucks times 12 is 60 plus 65 deductible so 120 for a new phone. even thought there going for 100.oo lol
I dont really believe on the insurance really depends on the person. But when it comes to messing something due to rooting never had an issue. I have rooted phones the easy way (OG Droid one click) and the hard way (Thunderbolt adb) and never had problems. The only time we had to send a phone was for a warranty claim for my wife's OG Droid, unrooted the phone and send it in.
I guess if you think about it, they can have people check out the forums, xda, ect, and see what people are doing. They can use these sites like we do. Really now, they have people that are paid to figure stuff out. Now if one or two are doing rooting or whatever, no big deal. Now if alot of people are then they need to try to stop it. Some of the updates were prolly to break root and did. the smarter of us figure out how to get around that, and now the smarter of them are trying to work around us, trying to beat us at our game. It's like a war going on. You don't hear about this stuff going on in the beggining, then as more phones being sold and data sky rocketting, well they want it to stop. The main reason is now that they have you addicted to greatness, well, upgrade and pay them more money,YES, ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. That is how I see it.
CAN WE PLEASE STOP TALKING FOR A SEC ABOUT WHAT HAS CHANGED IN THE TOS(CONTRACT)
And for one second talk about the fact that all Boost Customers were sold packaging that claimed
NO CONTRACT
UNLIMITED VOICE DATA AND TEXT
to be told on deliverance we agreed to an implied contract labeled as a TOS which then claims to be a CONTRACT.
Its an implied contract which is illegal. It is also an unfair contract for the following reasons other than you were lied to
It gives all power in the contract to one party by limiting arbitration
Boost threatens action if you use this product/ service in a manner they advertised as a function/feature.
Im not a lawyer, Im in construction and deal with contracts/contract law damn near daily.
The fact every company does this is why as long as Boost did not start dicking with me I let the bullshit go.
When are people in this country going to finally get off their fat asses and tell AMERICA INC. that the anal rape is over.
This is so much a bigger issue.
Off to cast my vote that doesn't matter y'all get back to enjoying economic slavery.
Contracts of adhesion are a fact of life. I'm sure that by getting on here and posting a message we all are probably agreeing to the terms of half a dozen different contracts - isp, Google, android forums, etc. I don't know a great deal about these particular provisions except that they are pretty common for this sort of a thing. There have to be some terms that even the friendliest tos would have to have in it, otherwise they wouldn't be able to conduct business at all.
That being said, just because this is the TOS doesn't mean they actually enforce it like that. Legally, it's just them covering their butts so they can act if they have to. Like they've had it in their tos that they will disable your service if you root but I haven't heard of anyone getting cut for rooting.
Don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from. I switched because tmobile starting charging an extra 15 bucks for tethering, and contacts like this give the consumer as little power as possible, but the only alternative is just not to have a phone basically.
I originally posted it in my phones root forum and it was moved to this forum where it is pretty well a duplicate.
Or can you move it back where I intended it to be because I wasn't trying to speak to the broader site just my friends to let them know why I am no longer working on any thing with this phone or contributing to that forum.
Thank You and sorry if I sound pissed, its not you.
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