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Old October 28th, 2010, 10:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs up Battery life massively improved: E-mail tip.

Just thought I'd share my experience with extending battery life on the Captivate in case it may help others.

Admittedly, this isn't very scientific as the changes I made coincided with getting a replacement phone, but I'm pretty sure my changes have made a huge difference.

I have four or five Pop3 e-mail accounts that I check regularly. I had set the check intervals as wide as possible to conserve battery life, although I didn't know just how much that may have been adding to the battery drain.

I had purchased a spare battery and would have to change the battery half-way through the day to keep the phone alive. I was basically going through two fully charged batteries a day.

Anyway, when I set the phone up this time (replacement phone due to random shut-downs), I set my e-mail up differently.
I got a gmail account to check all my Pop3 accounts. Any new messages on those five accounts are brought into my gmail account and labelled with the appropriate account.
This has many advantages, such as all messages being stored "in the cloud", no problems when it comes to changing phones, spam filtering, etc... Also, it means that I don't have to use the awful Android e-mail app. I was not even having good results with K-9. I just use the gmail app and any new messages are pushed through to the phone.

However, the biggest difference seems to be battery life. I have gone from using two batteries per day, to the battery lasting well over a day.
Yesterday, for example, I had the phone on all day with usual usage, and come bed-time last night, I was still on about 85-90%!

Your results may vary, but I'm pretty sure that the e-mail changes I have made have made a massive difference to battery drain.

Just thought I'd share in case it helps anybody else.

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I have an exchange account I'm using with standard email, and I drain about 65-75% of my battery during a normal workday (time spent at work, not including before or after work hours.)

I just set my email to sync once an hour instead of "Push" and I'll report back after tomorrow if I also experience similar results.

Thanks for the tip, will keep posted.
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For nearly 3 hours I've only dropped about 7%. Screen was off most of the time, but I sent several text messages there, and checked google voice a couple of times. Light use, but definitely noticing an improvement already. We'll see how it pans out over time.

Interesting if it does make a difference, since the battery meter doesn't ever seem to indicate much using the battery, besides the screen...
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I forgot to add, this doesn't affect how I use my e-mail at all. You can set up Gmail so that any messages sent will appear from the account you use - not the Gmail address.
You can also set up signatures that differ according to the account you send from. Replies to a message in a particular account will come from that account - with the correct signature. It is transparent to the recipient.

The only possible downside is that you cannot set the frequency with which Google checks your pop3/imap accounts. It checks depending on how much mail you get. If you get a lot of mail, it will check more frequently. If you don't get a lot of mail on a particular account, Google will check at a minimum of once an hour.

As I can still get my mail on a regular mail client on a computer, this makes no difference to me as I can check as often as I like on the computer. Messages appear in both places.

I'm finding the time taken to set this up is well worth it for the huge gains in battery life.
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Hmmm, I have been wondering where my battery life went. I check 4 e-mail accounts, 2 Gmail, 1 POP3, and 1 Exchange and my battery is in the Red every night when I go to bed.

I think I might have to try getting rid of the POP3 account and having a Gmail account get it.
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After about a week of testing, I can say with certainty that my battery life has improved during the workday. Whereas before I would come home with about 25-35% of my battery left, I now come home with 40-50%. The only change has been moving the Email app to a once-per-hour check instead of Push.

I still find it interesting that the battery use meter doesn't seem to coincide with this. I expected to see less battery use in one of the meters. Someone locally here suggested that maybe I turn the screen on less frequently if I get notifications less often, but I never used it to actually check the email. I would just hear the ding and turn to my computer to check. Still, maybe the notification itself was a drain? It's hard to tell for sure.
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The only possible downside is that you cannot set the frequency with which Google checks your pop3/imap accounts. It checks depending on how much mail you get. If you get a lot of mail, it will check more frequently. If you don't get a lot of mail on a particular account, Google will check at a minimum of once an hour.
If you can, use email redirect. My POP accounts are all set to redirect my emails to my Gmail account as soon as it comes in. No more waiting.
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I don't suppose you could post some sort of guide for how to set this up? I wouldn't mind using one e-mail app instead of gmail and K-9. I understand from your post that I can have the incoming mail put into separate folders depending on the e-mail account it came from. What about sending messages? I think you're saying you can still send messages from within gmail and have it "appear" as though its coming from your other e-mail - is that correct?

Thanks in advance for your help!
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I don't suppose you could post some sort of guide for how to set this up? I wouldn't mind using one e-mail app instead of gmail and K-9. I understand from your post that I can have the incoming mail put into separate folders depending on the e-mail account it came from. What about sending messages? I think you're saying you can still send messages from within gmail and have it "appear" as though its coming from your other e-mail - is that correct?

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I just did it.

Here are some gmail links to help.

Get mail from other accounts - Gmail Help

Mail Fetcher - Gmail Help

Thanks for the advice.
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I just set this up. Thanks for sharing!
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A link to this great tip has been added to the Captivate Guide sticky:

http://androidforums.com/samsung-captivate/163026-samsung-captivate-guide-updated-12-november-2010-4-30pm-central-u-s-time.html#post1484936
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Very similar to my setup as well, except I have my other emails forward new emails to my gmail automatically, where possible. Windows Live [@live/@hotmail] doesn't forward to gmail though, which is unfortunate, but I don't use Windows Live anymore.

The Mail app is also pretty sluggish compared to the Gmail app, so I concur. Now if only I can replace the Mail app on the homescreens with Gmail ..

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I dont get this. I have been using GMail since day 1 which is my only email application in use on the phone and I still go through 2 batterys a day?
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I dont get this. I have been using GMail since day 1 which is my only email application in use on the phone and I still go through 2 batterys a day?
I've been testing this extensively with both the email and gmail client. I have come to a conclusion:

*** The less often email and gmail check for new mail, the less often I turn the screen on to see what came in, and thus the screen eats less battery. ***

A few days ago I knew we had a really busy day at work where I wouldn't have time for my phone, so I set email and gmail to push, put everything back the way it was. Then I put my phone where I normally set it at work, and left it for 12 hours. When I came back, I had plenty of emails and texts, but the battery had only dropped by 12%. At no time during those 12 hours was the screen ever turned on.

So honestly, I think it comes down to the screen. But as long as your phone chimes at you every 5 - 10 minutes, you'll be constantly turning it on, checking on new arrivals. By forcing it to check only once an hour, you limit the times you end up viewing new emails. I think it's really as simple as that.

I know not everyone will agree with me, but I challenge you to really test it. Don't just presume.
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Hmm. Well in the Gmail app it only has an option to Sync for however many days. Not an actual part where it says its checking by the hour or minutes? How do I apply this?
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My issue with this is that I hate gmail; I don't want to give up my real email client (I only use gmail for junk) through my ISP on my computer to have everything pushed to gmail to maybe save some battery. That's a lot to give up. I also have no issues with the standard email client on my Captivate that is synced to my real ISP email.
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You can set up Gmail so that any messages sent will appear from the account you use - not the Gmail address.
You can also set up signatures that differ according to the account you send from. Replies to a message in a particular account will come from that account - with the correct signature. It is transparent to the recipient.
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For those of us who are new to all of this:
1. Is the GMAIL setup detailed in some posting somewhere?
2. Which apps do we need on our Android 2.1 (still waiting for Froyo) phone?
3. Does any of what you're doing require rooting or side-loading?
4. Does Google(R) Calendar (TM) and Voice(TM) integration factor into all of this or are they a separate issue?

In my naivete, I expected nice instructions to integrate Android (by Google) with Gmail and Calendar and Voice (also by Google). What was I thinking ... er, dreaming ...

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There are many things you can do to extend battery life. I turn off Wifi, Bluetooth, BG Sync and GPS unless I have a specific need. I don't have animations on, clocks, timers, weather and other things running in the background either. I don't have processes that run like task killers and other things that continually update. I can play, talk for a while and still have 30-50% left when I go to bed. Managing your applications is equally as important as anything you can do to save battery power.
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There are many things you can do to extend battery life. I turn off Wifi, Bluetooth, BG Sync and GPS unless I have a specific need. I don't have animations on, clocks, timers, weather and other things running in the background either. I don't have processes that run like task killers and other things that continually update. I can play, talk for a while and still have 30-50% left when I go to bed. Managing your applications is equally as important as anything you can do to save battery power.
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My issue with this is that I hate gmail; I don't want to give up my real email client (I only use gmail for junk) through my ISP on my computer to have everything pushed to gmail to maybe save some battery. That's a lot to give up. I also have no issues with the standard email client on my Captivate that is synced to my real ISP email.
Why "hate" gmail? It works great..if you're gonna have an android device, you probably have to jump on the gmail/google bandwagon...and hating an email is kinda strange
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Why "hate" gmail? It works great..if you're gonna have an android device, you probably have to jump on the gmail/google bandwagon...and hating an email is kinda strange
No, you don't "have" to. I'm not a fan of Gmail either. The web edition and the Android client are extremely limited and pale in-comparison to a real email client like K-9. It fall so short that there really isn't any comparison in features.

Gmail is to K-9 like Notepad is to MS Word.

I've been on Android since the day after the Captivate was released, and only use my Google account to "enable" my device. Any email that that junk account receives is simply forwarded to my real email account. No one gets my Gmail address. I don't use it.
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No, you don't "have" to. I'm not a fan of Gmail either. The web edition and the Android client are extremely limited and pale in-comparison to a real email client like K-9. It fall so short that there really isn't any comparison in features.

Gmail is to K-9 like Notepad is to MS Word.

I've been on Android since the day after the Captivate was released, and only use my Google account to "enable" my device. Any email that that junk account receives is simply forwarded to my real email account. No one gets my Gmail address. I don't use it.
Why not just use K-9 for your gmail account as well? I've done that with two different Android phones and it's worked quite well. I agree that the native Android mail client sucks.
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I don't use the stock email client-haven't even tried to configure it. The built in gmail app works fine imo. Only thing I don't like is not being able to make the font bigger..a little small for my 50+ eyes
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No, you don't "have" to. I'm not a fan of Gmail either. The web edition and the Android client are extremely limited and pale in-comparison to a real email client like K-9. It fall so short that there really isn't any comparison in features.

Gmail is to K-9 like Notepad is to MS Word.

I've been on Android since the day after the Captivate was released, and only use my Google account to "enable" my device. Any email that that junk account receives is simply forwarded to my real email account. No one gets my Gmail address. I don't use it.
I only created my Gmail account because I had to. I have my own mail server. I send junk to my gmail account as well and no one else knows it exists.

On the other hand, rather than keep separate contact lists on my phone and worry about whether I can sync with Outlook, I use Gmail's contact list on my phone, update the contacts there then I can import new contacts into Outlook if I have to. But I don't have to worry about losing addresses and numbers now.
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Gmail's fine for personal emails, but not business use. I can't use Gmail for work-related emails because when I respond to something it goes out with the gmail.com domain rather than our company name in the domain.
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Gmail's fine for personal emails, but not business use. I can't use Gmail for work-related emails because when I respond to something it goes out with the gmail.com domain rather than our company name in the domain.
I can't figure why that would be a problem...
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I can't figure why that would be a problem...
Very simple - it's a matter of perception that we're either not "real" or not a big enough company to have our own domain. I frequently receive requests for information - most are legitimate, but some are "fishing" and a few are likely from competitors. Without fail those who claim to represent some Fortune 500 company yet provide me with contact email such as aol.com, yahoo.com, etc. are bogus.

That door swings both ways. Hence, I'm happy to use gmail for my personal use, but not business.
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Very simple - it's a matter of perception that we're either not "real" or not a big enough company to have our own domain. I frequently receive requests for information - most are legitimate, but some are "fishing" and a few are likely from competitors. Without fail those who claim to represent some Fortune 500 company yet provide me with contact email such as aol.com, yahoo.com, etc. are bogus.

That door swings both ways. Hence, I'm happy to use gmail for my personal use, but not business.
I think if your company uses Google for business (e.g., is a Google Apps customer), you can use google for gmail. But your company would have to convert to Google for email service. But it would have your company name in your email, eg., Timberline@company.com.
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Gmail's fine for personal emails, but not business use. I can't use Gmail for work-related emails because when I respond to something it goes out with the gmail.com domain rather than our company name in the domain.
You should be able to set up Gmail to send/receive showing another email account. Go to the "accounts" tab in Gmail settings and change the "send mail as" settings.
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You should be able to set up Gmail to send/receive showing another email account. Go to the "accounts" tab in Gmail settings and change the "send mail as" settings.
Right, but it still shows up on the receiver's end as Timberline@gmail on behalf of Timberline@corporate.com unless I haven't found the way to mask the former part.
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Considering that even John Doe individual like me can trivially and cheaply set up a custom domain for his personal email, it's true that any business should have its own domain.

For me, I set it up to unchain my email address from my email provider. Now I'm free to change ISPs or email companies at will without having to dread letting hundreds of contacts know about my new email address, and then years later still be dealing with people who refuse to update their address book.

My emails go out without any sign in the basic headers of who my email provider is (although someone determined enough could sleuth it out by studying the IPs in the full headers).
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Old December 1st, 2010, 11:12 AM   #35 (permalink)
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+1..when I send emails from gmail, I use my office domain..and that's how it shows on the other end...doesn't show anything of the "@gmail.com" sort..
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Right, but it still shows up on the receiver's end as Timberline@gmail on behalf of Timberline@corporate.com unless I haven't found the way to mask the former part.
You need to set the "@corporate.com" account to use the corporate.com server rather than the gmail.com server. See if this helps: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=22370&expand=sc1&from=14063 4&rd=1
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I've been doing all these tricks and tips, and I still go through batteries. Using Gmail to check all of your mail is the only way to go IMO.

I kill apps I don't need running like the weather, Paypa, Ebay, etc.

Now I'm thinking of just completely uninstalling some of these apps. I rarely use them anyhow. I also have two spare batteries.

My lastest change is that I am now turning snyc off until I actually want to check my Email.......so it's not constantly checking my email 24/7.

I will admit I have been bad about not using my wifi while at home though.

It's all about turning bad habits into good habits.
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Considering that even John Doe individual like me can trivially and cheaply set up a custom domain for his personal email, it's true that any business should have its own domain.

For me, I set it up to unchain my email address from my email provider. Now I'm free to change ISPs or email companies at will without having to dread letting hundreds of contacts know about my new email address, and then years later still be dealing with people who refuse to update their address book.

My emails go out without any sign in the basic headers of who my email provider is (although someone determined enough could sleuth it out by studying the IPs in the full headers).
I agree! I have a my own domain registered through GoDaddy. I have my email mx records going through Google Apps/Gmail mail servers. Setup as an imap account I get personal and business emails pushed to my Fascinate. This is no way tied to a xxxx@gmail.com account.
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