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Old October 24th, 2011, 02:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Phone Has Slowed Dramatically

In the past couple of days my phone has been acting up quite a bit.
It's lagging like crazy, swipe gestures are also very choppy.
Nothing has really changed. No new apps installed.
Any ideas?

The only thing I can think of is that I tried out ADW launcher
a few days back.
I didn't like it as much as Launcher pro, so I uninstalled it.
Maybe doing that caused something to act up,
but I can't see why it would
since it was uninstalled and I cleared the cache.
Or would it?

I'm probably going to uninstall and reinstall Launcher Pro
to see if that helps, but I'm curious to what all other people
think could cause this first.

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i get this once in a while also did you turn the phone off and let it restart ????
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I'm assuming you checked your available RAM? Any device will slow down when that drops to low. It's hard to say what would be "too Low". Mine runs around 202mb, but lately I've seen it around 195. Probably enough for my needs. I have a few launchers in my file and change em up once in awhile. I was running the "launcher 7" when I noticed my emails suddenly stopped being pushed thru, just piled up on my gmail site. It's still F'd up and I'm using launcher pro now. I'm beginning to think a hard reset is going to be in my future and I'm dreading it.

YIPPEE!! I figured it out! My sync box to google mail had become unchecked. One of those weird things that happens when changing launchers and similar. I'm happy, no hard reset.
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I've noticed my phone acting up this past week. Mainly when I unlock and my home screen appears, it takes 10 seconds sometimes before it responds to anything. I downloaded launcher pro but uninstalled it. I have juice defender and was thinking that was my problem but I've had it for a long time with no pevious problems. My main issue is my clock ,, I use the same one that came on the phone. when I go to my home screen this week, the clock will be stuck at 3 or 4 hours ago and does'nt straighten itself out. The clock on my lock screen will be right but not on my home screen. The only way to fix it is to restart the phone or drag it into the trash and create a new widget of it. sux
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i get this once in a while also did you turn the phone off and let it restart ????
Yep.
I shut mine down every night.

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I'm assuming you checked your available RAM? Any device will slow down when that drops to low. It's hard to say what would be "too Low". Mine runs around 202mb, but lately I've seen it around 195. Probably enough for my needs. I have a few launchers in my file and change em up once in awhile. I was running the "launcher 7" when I noticed my emails suddenly stopped being pushed thru, just piled up on my gmail site. It's still F'd up and I'm using launcher pro now. I'm beginning to think a hard reset is going to be in my future and I'm dreading it.

YIPPEE!! I figured it out! My sync box to google mail had become unchecked. One of those weird things that happens when changing launchers and similar. I'm happy, no hard reset.
RAM?
Where are you finding that stat?
Or are you talking about on board storage space instead of RAM?
The Commando comes with 512MB of dedicated RAM if I'm not mistaken.
It comes with 400MB of on board storage, 70MB+ of which has already been used by that damn bloatware.
If that's what you meant, I have 272MB free. Plenty-o-space.
Well...now I do.

I just went back into my Apps2SD app and found that there was
3.5MB of cache STILL being used by apps.
I knew something was funny because I know that I had 272MB free before.
Once I cleared that one, it somehow cleaned up 10MB of space (not just the 3.5MB it said) and put me back to where I needed to be.
The phone seems to be back to normal now.
That said, I don't understand how even 10MB of cached space
could cause the phone to F'UP as much as it was.
I'm sure most people would say, who care's it's back to normal now,
but I'd like to know just so I can prevent that type of thing from happening again.
It was really pissing me off.

-haha, I've had that sync thing happen too.
it makes ya feel like an ass when you figure out how simple the fix was, huh?
still...it shouldn't happen.
these devices are suppose to be "smart", right?

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I've noticed my phone acting up this past week. Mainly when I unlock and my home screen appears, it takes 10 seconds sometimes before it responds to anything. I downloaded launcher pro but uninstalled it. I have juice defender and was thinking that was my problem but I've had it for a long time with no pevious problems. My main issue is my clock ,, I use the same one that came on the phone. when I go to my home screen this week, the clock will be stuck at 3 or 4 hours ago and does'nt straighten itself out. The clock on my lock screen will be right but not on my home screen. The only way to fix it is to restart the phone or drag it into the trash and create a new widget of it. sux
Yeah...I've had that clock freeze up on mine a few times too.
I always had to dump it in the trash and start a new one as well.
Never found the problem either.
It could very well be a conflict with Launcher Pro
because it never did that while just running the stock launcher.
We'll probably never know.
But even if it is a conflict with Launcher Pro,
I can't bitch too much about it being that it's free, ya know?
It's still plenty annoying nonetheless.
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I had the same problem with lagging after unlock screen, noticed the clock had a delay in the secs changing, lagging home screen swipes...so I downloaded OS monitor from the market and noticed for some odd reason the Home app was taking up close to 90% of the CPU cycles. I can only assume it got corrupted somehow from testing out different apps and no other way of restoring it so I had to do hard reset to fix it. The phone works fine now but I am really hesistant in installing new untested stuff and screw up a smooth running OS.
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Kinda what I was thinking.
Installing and uninstalling things can make stuff malfunction sometimes.
(going from computer experience i mean)
And since these apps that we download to try out aren't built
specifically for the Commando, it makes sense that things could
potentially get thrown out of wack.
I hope that's the case anyway.
I'd hate to think that we all bought a phone that's just slow and buggy
in comparison to the others out there.
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RAM?
Where are you finding that stat?
Or are you talking about on board storage space instead of RAM?
The Commando comes with 512MB of dedicated RAM if I'm not mistaken.
It comes with 400MB of on board storage, 70MB+ of which has already been used by that damn bloatware.
If you look at "running" apps it shows used and remaining listed as RAM.This is whats running using up the resources and if it gets to low it slows stuff down. We can't have to much going on at the same time then. I'm showing currently: 201 MB used and 129MB free, which equals 330MB total, so the rest must be tied up in android specific resources that aren't listed, but are needed to run the O.S. You can shut stuff down and watch it go up. It does fluctuate alot which is pretty normal . If your shutting down at night , when you restart, your restarting all that stuff back up, if you were to shut it off that is. Not sure how much a reboot actually would help RAM amounts since stuff restarts on reboot.
It's good to know what I'm running is normal for me so I have some sort of baseline to gauge my remaining RAM by.
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Okay, now I see where you're getting those numbers from.
I didn't think that it worked like that.
I thought that 512MB of RAM had been set aside for the devise always.
Guess not.

By what you just said, you're numbers are adding up correctly because the bloatware uses up 70MB of the initial 400MB.
I'm still missing between 9-10MB somewhere.
No idea where it's hiding either.

What you said about start up makes sense.
I don't have alot running though.
I'm in the same ballpark as you are with that.

The phone started acting up again BTW.
I'm thinking a hard reset might be in my near future.
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If you decide to do a hard reset, I would advise writing down all your favorite apps that you have installed and/or backing up your apps to SD card. I haven't found anything good yet to backup the contacts list.
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Don't hard reset before going into your running apps and see where your RAM is being utilized. I see my "mobile shell" app takes up 59MB of my usable, available RAM. That's the most of anything I have onboard. Even so my phone is still quick. I usually use other launchers/ui's that take alot less. I turned off my oem browser and will see if it restarts on a reboot. I'm sure it will. FWIW I have a quick link to my running files and turn off stuff alot, also monitor what comes back on and what stays off. I find this helpful to understanding the processes. I do believe "mobile shell" is going to have some down time as 59MB is over the top for a frickin' fancy launcher. One more FWIW: I've been keeping everything on my SD card that will go there, that helps with storage space.
Has anyone ever seen any type of toggle for running apps or better yet an automatic shutdown setting? For us unrooted folks. We may have ICS update in a couple months or sooner. That could change things up, maybe take up more RAM.
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for people that aren't afraid...root for Commando with GB is out

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Don't hard reset before going into your running apps and see where your RAM is being utilized. I see my "mobile shell" app takes up 59MB of my usable, available RAM. That's the most of anything I have onboard. Even so my phone is still quick. I usually use other launchers/ui's that take alot less. I turned off my oem browser and will see if it restarts on a reboot. I'm sure it will. FWIW I have a quick link to my running files and turn off stuff alot, also monitor what comes back on and what stays off. I find this helpful to understanding the processes. I do believe "mobile shell" is going to have some down time as 59MB is over the top for a frickin' fancy launcher. One more FWIW: I've been keeping everything on my SD card that will go there, that helps with storage space.
Has anyone ever seen any type of toggle for running apps or better yet an automatic shutdown setting? For us unrooted folks. We may have ICS update in a couple months or sooner. That could change things up, maybe take up more RAM.
I'll take a look at that when it's done charging.
Can't wait for that new Mugen to get here.
I keep all I can on my SD as well.

An auto shut down setting would be nice for sure.

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Yeah...I saw that one in another forum.
Not ready for that quite yet.....I'm sceeerd.
-in voiding the warranty that is-
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Blacktooth, I think you commented on the oem browser running in the background, doing what only knows. Also since the exit/close option was taken out with the GB upgrade the only option seems to be to go to running apps and close it that way. I don't even use the oem, preferring opera mini/mobile so FWIW, I've found that apparently once closed it is staying closed and off. Even after a couple reboots, still shut down. I am glad to see that and put it in a hidden file along with other junk so it's not even an issue. I'm finding other stuff is staying off, once shut down also.
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Nope...I don't think I said that.
I don't use Bing, frigging hate it actually.
There was one time that I opened Bing on accident.
I got pretty ticked off at that because it activated the app,
but I don't remember saying anything about it running in the background.
But who knows, I have brain farts too. Haha.

Thanks for that info though.
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Nope...I don't think I said that.
I don't use Bing, frigging hate it actually.
There was one time that I opened Bing on accident.
I got pretty ticked off at that because it activated the app,
but I don't remember saying anything about it running in the background.
But who knows, I have brain farts too. Haha.

Thanks for that info though.
I just keep bing in the junk file along with other stuff I never use. As for the browser I was referring to, I'm just glad to see it stays off and doesn't consume resources since I never use it. I much prefer google(doesn't everyone?) over bing and just have that set as my default screen on all browsers.
FWIW: Since I've been paying more attention to what's running I've been able to trim down some and increase speeds. I'm looking forward to ICS as it should have tons of improvements. Maybe I'll even root after I get that on
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I just keep bing in the junk file along with other stuff I never use. As for the browser I was referring to, I'm just glad to see it stays off and doesn't consume resources since I never use it. I much prefer google(doesn't everyone?) over bing and just have that set as my default screen on all browsers.
FWIW: Since I've been paying more attention to what's running I've been able to trim down some and increase speeds. I'm looking forward to ICS as it should have tons of improvements. Maybe I'll even root after I get that on

I just use the hide feature that Launcher Pro offers.
It keeps the app drawer clean of all that useless crap.

Which stock apps are you shutting down to get increased speed?

I saw a video on ICS. It looks like android is finally starting to get the hint and provide some features that other launchers offer.
Hopefully they will also come up with some good ideas of their own as well.
It looks like it may be a worthwhile update though.
More so than GB was in my opinion.

Have you heard if the Commando will actually be getting the ICS update for sure?
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I saw a video on ICS. It looks like android is finally starting to get the hint and provide some features that other launchers offer.
Hopefully they will also come up with some good ideas of their own as well.
It looks like it may be a worthwhile update though.
More so than GB was in my opinion.

Have you heard if the Commando will actually be getting the ICS update for sure?
+1 for launcher pro w/unlocker as it's a pretty cool app.
I agree the GB was a pretty minor upgrade and ICS will be loads better from what I've been reading. All android devices are supposed to get it. As for the timing of it, is anybody's guess.
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Been a few days since I lurked here. On Sunday my Commando started with the non-responsive home screen after I added a new GO keyboard theme. I uninstalled it and continued to have the problem.

I think it has to do with the home process/app. Ever since the GB update whenever I boot it up, if I try to unlock the home screen and swipe to another home screen it either reboots itself, or the home process crashes ("encountered a problem and has to close"). I have force closed the home process and when it comes back up it works fine. This is the same without the 3rd party keyboard.

If I boot up the phone and then let it sit for 5-10 mins without touching it, there is no problem. I put the GO keyboard back in with the default themes and have no problems.

Last night I shut it down and put it on the charger. It booted itself and gave me an error message that the home process had a problem and the choices were Force Close or Wait. I force closed it and today have good response.

I have used Factory Reset Mate to create a list of apps so that after a hard reset I have the list. Click it and the app goes to the market, downloads and installs. You can choose them from the list singularly or multiples.

Verizon's backup assistant will back up your contacts. What I haven't found is a way to backup my bookmarks in the Opera browser. If someone knows of something, please, speak up.

I'm interested in the extended battery as well. I typically am down to 60-70% by 11:00 (my day starts at 05:00), pop it on the cradle at my desk for an hour or so and it's good to go for the rest of the day. Recharge every night. My office location has sorry signal. On days I am at home where I have good signal, the battery doesn't run down nearly as quickly. My brother tells me his (ahem) iPhone burns through the battery pretty quickly in low signal areas too.

I have a second OEM battery to switch out if I'm not somewhere that I can charge (jury duty, camping, airplanes, etc.), but the second one doesn't seem to perform as well as the one that was shipped with the phone. Seems odd.

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From my understand, Li-Ion chemistry are meant to be used and when you have a battery that is left in storage fully charged that helps degrade the battery and is suggested to store li-ion batteries at %40 charge level in a cool dry area.

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I have used Factory Reset Mate to create a list of apps so that after a hard reset I have the list. Click it and the app goes to the market, downloads and installs. You can choose them from the list singularly or multiples.


I'm interested in the extended battery as well. I typically am down to 60-70% by 11:00 (my day starts at 05:00), pop it on the cradle at my desk for an hour or so and it's good to go for the rest of the day. Recharge every night. My office location has sorry signal. On days I am at home where I have good signal, the battery doesn't run down nearly as quickly. My brother tells me his (ahem) iPhone burns through the battery pretty quickly in low signal areas too.

I have a second OEM battery to switch out if I'm not somewhere that I can charge (jury duty, camping, airplanes, etc.), but the second one doesn't seem to perform as well as the one that was shipped with the phone. Seems odd.

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I'll have check out that Factory Reset Mate.
Where are you getting this btw?
I'm not seeing it in the market.
Is it safe?
Normally I just write everything down,
but that app sounds like it would make everything a hell of alot easier
when doing a reset.

I'm really starting to get aggravated by all of this,
mostly because I can't figure out what's causing it and I'm not able to prevent it.
I tried leaving my phone on all night instead of shutting it down.
Yeah...that helped, but when I checked it this morning my battery
was 15% lower than when I left it.
That's ridiculous!
Do task killers really work?
Either way, you shouldn't have to leave your phone on all the time
just to avoid problems.
And it should work correctly when it's powered on, not 10 min later.
I don't understand it, it never acted like this before.
I'm baffled.

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I've read that too.
A refrigerator was suggested as a good place to store them.
I don't have any first hand knowledge of this yet,
but I should receive the new Mugen battery this week and will
try out the refrigerator thing with my oem.
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Another thing:
Last night I found the app for this forum and installed it.
When I was looking through my running apps,
it said it was taking up 30MB of RAM. WTF?
That is the most out of anything running.
Any ideas as to why?
That doesn't seem right to me unless there is something else in that app.
(spyware, malware, bla bla bla)
I've shut it down for the time being.

FYI:
I also have the Droid Forum app installed,
and a couple other forum apps as well.
No issue like that with those whatsoever.
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Well I fit one criterion as I swap them out regularly. I charge up a battery to 100% and swap them out on the 15th and 30th of the month. Since the purpose is to have a 100% battery to swap to when the other is done, leaving it at 40% wouldn't suit the purpose. After two weeks, the unused one is typically charged at about 95% when I put it in. I also don't keep the stored one in a cool place since it spends the day in my (warm) pants pocket. :-0

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[QUOTE=BLACKTOOTHGRIN;3377619]I'll have check out that Factory Reset Mate.
Where are you getting this btw?
I'm not seeing it in the market.
Is it safe?
Normally I just write everything down,
but that app sounds like it would make everything a hell of alot easier
when doing a reset.

BTG, I got it from the market in maybe July or August. It's Factory Reset Mate, and tonight when I read your post I find that it's no longer on the market. If someone could tell me how to post a copy out of my phone, I'd be glad to do it. (The phone isn't rooted.) When I got it I was running AVG and since have changed to Lookout and both scanned it and deemed it "safe".

I also run an app called Watchdog Lite that sounds an alert when an app is "misbehaving", defined as chewing up more than 50% processor. It trips when Lookout is doing its weekly scan. Interestingly, it has also tripped several times since Sunday when the home process was trying to melt the processor down.

As far as app killers, I've read differing opinions on whether they hurt or help. I have Android Assistant that I sometimes use to kill things when I'm in the humor to kill something. :-) It does seem that if I kill something that is a system process, it just comes right back up, and that lends credence to the idea that app killers hurt battery life rather than help. I don't know. I do use the Quick Boost in Android Assistant just for the hell of it sometimes to clear some RAM.

I'd like to hear from someone who has rooted with the new package, since the GB update. I'm thinking it's time to ditch all this VZW crap I don't use.

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Another thing:
Last night I found the app for this forum and installed it.
When I was looking through my running apps,
it said it was taking up 30MB of RAM. WTF?
That is the most out of anything running.
Any ideas as to why?
That doesn't seem right to me unless there is something else in that app.
(spyware, malware, bla bla bla)
I've shut it down for the time being.

FYI:
I also have the Droid Forum app installed,
and a couple other forum apps as well.
No issue like that with those whatsoever.
There are several apps I avoid. One is Facebook. Read the permissions and the damn thing scours your contacts list and records the phone numbers. No thanks. The ABC13 (TV) app here in Houston takes over the camera and can "see" anything the camera sees. I'm more apt to just save a bookmark in the Opera Mobile browser and do it that way. The other thing I find is that the fonts in many of these apps are not made for 53 year old eyes. In the browser I can zoom it for easier reading.

While on the subject of app size I find it really strange that the Opera Mobile browser is 2 mb when stored on the card and 20 mb when stored on the phone. Or maybe that's backwards. Anyhow, it shouldn't be 10 times the size just because of where it's stored, should it?

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BTG, I got it from the market in maybe July or August. It's Factory Reset Mate, and tonight when I read your post I find that it's no longer on the market. If someone could tell me how to post a copy out of my phone, I'd be glad to do it. (The phone isn't rooted.) When I got it I was running AVG and since have changed to Lookout and both scanned it and deemed it "safe".
Strange how they remove different apps.
I've seen it before, but I'm not sure what there reasoning is.
I've been trying to get ahold of BetterKeyboard forever,
but the Market removed it and all I can find is a paid version on Amazon.
Wish someone would offer up a registration key or something like that.
Guess I'm outa luck on these 2.
Awe well...break out the pen and paper.

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I also run an app called Watchdog Lite that sounds an alert when an app is "misbehaving", defined as chewing up more than 50% processor. It trips when Lookout is doing its weekly scan. Interestingly, it has also tripped several times since Sunday when the home process was trying to melt the processor down.
I think I'll try Watchdog out for sure, as I'm now most likely
going to be forced into a hard reset.
Now my phone is really burning through the battery for no reason at all.
I could normally charge it every other day because I'm a pretty light user,
but now I'm having to charge it EVERYDAY, and almost had to charge it TWICE yesterday.
Something in there has to be F'd up.
Maybe some sort of malware twas attached to something else.
I didn't start having the battery problem until I had installed the apps for
THIS FORUM and DROID FORUM.
I uninstalled both so I don't know for certain who the culprit was,
but it was THIS FORUM'S app that was constantly using an ass load of RAM
for no reason at all, even when the app was not in use.
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Well I think I found the home screen lag culprit. In the g'z gear settings is one called G Switch (g spot?) that enables switching tools by shaking. Today I remembered that I turned that on. Turned it off and now there's no home screen lag. It also boots up without crashing if I touch it.

Thanks for the tip on GO launcher. No snap out menu and its obnoxious noise. Plus all the customization. THANKS!

I also found Opera Link. I had Opera on my laptop, but don't use it so now I can sync the bookmarks on the commando to the pc. Excellent!

Please post the performance of the 1800 battery when you get a feel for it.
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Well I think I found the home screen lag culprit. In the g'z gear settings is one called G Switch (g spot?) that enables switching tools by shaking. Today I remembered that I turned that on. Turned it off and now there's no home screen lag. It also boots up without crashing if I touch it.

Thanks for the tip on GO launcher. No snap out menu and its obnoxious noise. Plus all the customization. THANKS!

I also found Opera Link. I had Opera on my laptop, but don't use it so now I can sync the bookmarks on the commando to the pc. Excellent!

Please post the performance of the 1800 battery when you get a feel for it.
Gspot....

Glad you found your lagging problem, I haven't yet.
I tried out WatchDog, thanks btw.
It beeped at me today and said the Android Home something or another
had misbehaved.
Well...NO SH*T!
It's obviousley telling me what I already know and that's about it,
BUT - It's also showing me that nothing else is causing the problem.
(at least nothing IT is finding anyways)
I also used AVG, everything was cool there too.
The only thing left to do IS a hard reset imo.

About the Mugen battery:
You might want to keep your money in your pocket just a bit longer.
So far I'm not impressed with this thing at all.
I'm DEFINITELY NOT getting the good week long results that Eltee posted.
(at least not yet)
I charged it up yesterday afternoon, barley used the phone at all
yesterday or last night, then used the phone as I normally would today.
My battery is at 19% right now.
Not much of an improvement if you ask me.
ESPECIALLY not for $50!

I also understand that the battery needs to be cycled
a few times before it will hold maximum charge.
That said...I'll report back on the matter in probably about a week.
If nothing changes, I would call it a waste of money.
At least it would be too me.

I think Cebreze had posted some good results with his,
but I can't remember quite what he said.
You may want to ask him because I don't want to misspeak on his behalf.
Nonetheless, I know he's not getting a week out of 1 charge either.
I'm not implying that Eltee was lying in his post whatsoever,
I just think that it really matters on how we each use our phones,
and what all we have or don't have running.
He said he was a pretty light user.
I consider myself to be a light user as well,
that's why I probably expected more out of this thing.
Maybe I use this thing more than I thought.
The 1 thing for me that I'm sure uses more juice is how I browse the web.
I would say that 80% of my web use is being used over various WI-FI
networks.
I know that sucks more power than just using the standard 3G.
How much more.....who knows????
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Please post the performance of the 1800 battery when you get a feel for it.
Here's my take on the battery. By the numbers it's only 340mAh larger capacity. that's 18% more juice per charge. With the oem I would usually need to park it on the cradle off and on as I come and go thru out the day. Did I really need to do it that much? Probably not, but I have a couple cradles and it was easy when they were handy.
I'd much prefer to just charge over nite and be done with it till the next nite, so I'd be good all day. I can do that with the 1800. No worries, so the peace of mind for me was worth the price.
If eltee could go around a week, he is truely a very light user. I would not have even worried about battery life at all if I were he and saved my money.
Having come from a previous phone with the same scenerio and upping to an 1800 I pretty much knew what I was getting into. I'd be able to go a whole day on a single charge and no worries. Thats exactly what I got, so I'm very pleased and feel I got something good for my cash.
So Bottom line for anybody asking themselves whether or not should they get the bigger battery,,,,, Do I want to pay $45 for 18% more juice? If that deal sounds good then go for it. I'm happy with mine and I knew going in it was an 18% increase and that's just what I needed to get me by on a single daily charge. I have only charged it fully twice now so it may even get a bit better over the next week or so as batteries usually do.
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The 1 thing for me that I'm sure uses more juice is how I browse the web.
I would say that 80% of my web use is being used over various WI-FI
networks.
I know that sucks more power than just using the standard 3G.
How much more.....who knows????
I'm not an authority at all regarding wifi and how much juice it uses, but I've read a lot and what I hear from alot of folks is that their own experiences with wifi is to leave it on all the time because it takes less power than 3G. Yeah, I know this sounds whacked out, but tons of people swear by this, so before you dismiss it as BS, maybe take another look at it. Possibly something else you have going on is eating into your power reserves. Just sayin'...
FWIW, I only use wifi when 3G isn't available, simply because I think 3G is as fast or faster than most wifi's. The typical coffee shop wifi is slower than snot running downhill. Used to be wifi was quick, not so much anymore.
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I'm not an authority at all regarding wifi and how much juice it uses, but I've read a lot and what I hear from alot of folks is that their own experiences with wifi is to leave it on all the time because it takes less power than 3G. Yeah, I know this sounds whacked out, but tons of people swear by this, so before you dismiss it as BS, maybe take another look at it. Possibly something else you have going on is eating into your power reserves. Just sayin'...
FWIW, I only use wifi when 3G isn't available, simply because I think 3G is as fast or faster than most wifi's. The typical coffee shop wifi is slower than snot running downhill. Used to be wifi was quick, not so much anymore.
I have found just the opposite. With wifi on, I have to charge almost every night. Without it, it would be about every other or every third night (I never wait that long though).
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I have found just the opposite. With wifi on, I have to charge almost every night. Without it, it would be about every other or every third night (I never wait that long though).
Yeah, I know , I've always been kind of skeptical as to claims people make. It's not only individual usage that comes into play, but also the type of device and platform one is using. Bottom line re wifi for me tho is it's not that fast compared to 3G and 4G probably beats it everytime. Of course if one needs to save data usage then wifi makes great sense. For charging frequency, just get me thru one full day on a single charge and I'm very satisfied.
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I'm not an authority at all regarding wifi and how much juice it uses, but I've read a lot and what I hear from alot of folks is that their own experiences with wifi is to leave it on all the time because it takes less power than 3G. Yeah, I know this sounds whacked out, but tons of people swear by this, so before you dismiss it as BS, maybe take another look at it. Possibly something else you have going on is eating into your power reserves. Just sayin'...
FWIW, I only use wifi when 3G isn't available, simply because I think 3G is as fast or faster than most wifi's. The typical coffee shop wifi is slower than snot running downhill. Used to be wifi was quick, not so much anymore.
Honestly I do think that's BS,
because that's the way I've been using my devise for a while now.
I know I was getting more time when I was just using the 3G.

I'm glad you said that (along with bduemig's statement)
because it's now got me thinking more about that end of things.
I can't say for certain yet, but if I remember correctly, when I
started having these battery issues IS right around the same time
that I started leaving my WIFI on constantly.
I didn't think much about it then because that's also the same time
period that the phone started acting up and lagging.
I thought the battery was being sucked dry due to something
I installed and had running as well.
Those apps are gone now,
and I'm still having the battery issue.
The constant WIFI could very well be the battery problem.
There's only one way to find out.
I'm going to shut that off tonight and tomorrow and see how it goes.
The only reason that I use it IS because it really cuts down on my data usage.
...and I agree 100% that 3G is just as fast as what I've been using.
Possibly a tad faster.
I don't have a very fast connection though.
High Speed yes....but still nothing to rave about.

I'm also going to go ahead a do a hard reset tonight because
I still can't locate what's causing the phone to lag.
Leaving it on did help some, but didn't correct the problem.
Something has to be jacked up in there somewhere.
Hopefully the reset will solve the problem.
We'll see.
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On another subject:
Has anyone had problems transferring contacts with this
devise via BT to a vehicle system?

I have a Pioneer HU in mine with the BT adapter for hands free use.
Both my Envy Touch and my Casio G'zone Rock transferred contacts
just fine and work flawlessly with it.
The Commando doesn't.
I contacted Verizon a while back about this and a tech walked me
through some ass backwards BS on backing up the contacts to the
SD card first, then doing the transfer, then putting back on the phone.
Yeah...doing it that way finally sent them over, BUT they ended up
being in RANDOM order on my HU.
That's obviously useless because it would take you forever to find
the contact that you want to call.
Since then I erased it and wanted to start fresh in hopes of getting them transferred correctly,
but I still haven't found a way.

Pioneer was no help either.
They said it's a problem with the phone of course.
Which it very well may be...but still no help.
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I'm afraid I can't help you with the BT problem (that's bluetooth, not Blacktooth) . My hands free is factory installed Honda. After I paired it with the commando, I initiated the contacts transfer from the Honda system and it did its thing from there.

On the battery idea, I'm good with charging every night. I did that with my Casio Rock, even though it would go a day and a half. I'd just like to make it to night on the day's charge. One difference is I didn't play BubbleBlast and Angry Birds on the Rock. Nor did I do near as much web surfing and emailing because the browser (Opera Mini) and email app were capability limited. Those who can use this phone and go multiple days must use it WAY less than I do. My usage stats range ~250 texts a month, 300 voice mins and 1.8 to 2.2 gb of data. I also spend most days in a low signal area.

I'm no electrical engineer, but it would make sense to me that if wifi is the stronger signal that it would be less of a drain on the battery than 3G. I use the 3G pretty much exclusively because I prefer to have my connections not go through my employer's network/wifi. I also bought the Commando outright (I wasn't due for an upgrade) just before the tiered data came in so that I kept unlimited data. My upgrade became available 4 days after the tiered data went into effect. Nothing that money can't solve, right?

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I'm afraid I can't help you with the BT problem (that's bluetooth, not Blacktooth) .
Maybe that's what is wrong....
I'm using Blacktooth with Bluetooth.
Still can't get it transferring correctly.
Its very aggravating when a basic phone can do things better than a "smart" phone.


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Man...that would really piss me off too.
I can't believe you actually shelled out the 5 bones for this thing.
You must have really wanted this phone David.
I can't judge though.
I paid full retail for the Rock.
Only reason was because they were just doing away with them
and replacing it with the Ravine.
I didn't like the Ravine AT ALL.
I still think they went a step backwards with that model,
but that's just me.
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I did the factory reset.
It took care of the lag altogether.
Now we'll see if it comes back with the apps that I install.

So far I only have Apps2SD, Astro, Launcher Pro and Go Keyboard in there
and things are running fine.
I went to install my favorite messaging app (handcent)
and found that the market removed it.
Jerks.
I was able to download the APK from thier website, but
I'm still trying to locate a copy of the "darkness" skin.
If anyone has the file, or knows where I can get it, gimme a shout.
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Never mind...I found it.
Here are the links just in case anyone else is looking for them:

Handcent sms HomePage --sms plus software for android

Handcent SMS Skin(Darkness).apk - 4shared.com - online file sharing and storage - download
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I had the same problem and tried fixing it via the solutions presented but got nowhere fast. Then I went into Manage Applications, All tab, and found the application "Home". I cleared the data and it seemed that fixed it!!

Now when you do this and then push home to go home it will give you a couple of errors and I chose "Force Close" twice. Then it will revert back to the stock crappy scattered layout like when I first got it from Verizon. All you gotta do then is re-make your home layout shortcuts, widgets and all (Important thing is if you had the "Memo" widget with stuff written in it; it will delete it all so make sure you back this up somehow).

This way you don't have to mess around with factory reset and lose all your data. I just hate that there are no options to prevent this (I think the home system file just gets tossed around in the ram and the phone has a hard time fetching it when you go back to the home screen).

These things are computers, allow me to work on them like computers!!!
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Texting a lot??

I know when i get a few threads around the 200 mark and it starts dumping older messages to keep going the phone will slow to a crawl. Deleting all the threads clears it up and phone speeds right back up.
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I had the same problem and tried fixing it via the solutions presented but got nowhere fast. Then I went into Manage Applications, All tab, and found the application "Home". I cleared the data and it seemed that fixed it!!

Now when you do this and then push home to go home it will give you a couple of errors and I chose "Force Close" twice. Then it will revert back to the stock crappy scattered layout like when I first got it from Verizon. All you gotta do then is re-make your home layout shortcuts, widgets and all (Important thing is if you had the "Memo" widget with stuff written in it; it will delete it all so make sure you back this up somehow).

This way you don't have to mess around with factory reset and lose all your data. I just hate that there are no options to prevent this (I think the home system file just gets tossed around in the ram and the phone has a hard time fetching it when you go back to the home screen).

These things are computers, allow me to work on them like computers!!!
Nice find man.
That's alot quicker than doing a hard reset.
Has doing that caused any other errors that you have found?

I've been lucky so far after the reset with devise speed.
Hope it continues, but it ever starts screwing up like it did before,
I'll give this a shot.
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Nice find man.
That's alot quicker than doing a hard reset.
Has doing that caused any other errors that you have found?

I've been lucky so far after the reset with devise speed.
Hope it continues, but it ever starts screwing up like it did before,
I'll give this a shot.
No errors so far, I also don't know if this is ok to do with a phone that you purchased elsewhere (not Verizon).

Phone is running good so far, knock on wood.
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Texting a lot??

I know when i get a few threads around the 200 mark and it starts dumping older messages to keep going the phone will slow to a crawl. Deleting all the threads clears it up and phone speeds right back up.

This very well may be one of my problems, I'm not big on talking but I'll text all day long so I tend to have a large number of threads going, fortunately the home reset seems to have solved my slow problem.
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