XcS Dead Deer

First off, i'd like to say welcome as i'm a new member. Sorry if this is a noobish question, as I've only recently acquired my Evo 3d and it's my first Android phone. After doing research on this website, as well as others,I decided i'd root my Evo 3d. However, when i booted into bootloader to see which version I had for Revolutionary, it said my bootloader was version 1.50, and Revolutionary only gives the options for 1.3 and 1.4...is there any way to downgrade my version of Bootloader?

Thanks
DD

nykbob

Not sure about downgrading bootloader, but the HTC method as shown in the video How to Root Evo 3D! [2.08.651.2 and Later] [HTC Unlock Method] | HTC Evo 4G Hacks! and using the website Developer Center at HTCdev seemed to work just fine for me for getting root. This method was designed for bootloader 1.50 and works fine.

Last edited by nykbob; August 24th, 2011 at 04:07 AM.

wake69

If you have s off you can downgrade the bootloader if you don't you cant

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DonB

Yes there is a way to downgrade the Bootloader if you have S-OFF, I am at work right now, I will research it a little later on when I get a break and post it, or someone will post it in the meantime, but there is a way.

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jerofld

If you're on 1.50 (or later, when those updates happen), then not at this point. Unless HTC decides to give full S-OFF, which would mean you wouldn't have to downgrade.

DonB

If you can get into boot into HBOOT and get that far if you are S-ON, worth a shot, [HOW TO] Return to 100% stock 1.13.651.7 / ROM - Recovery - S-ON! - xda-developers

XcS Dead Deer

I used that site, and I officially have SuperUser! Thanks!

-DD

XcS Dead Deer

Eh...small problem. I went to backup my ROM using ROM Manager, and my phone restarted...however, now it's off and won't turn back on. When it's plugged in to my comp I get this message


"USB Device not recognized: One of the usb devices attached to this computer has malfunctioned and windows does not recognize it"

I cant even get Bootloader to come up. The only good news is that when it's plugged in, the red power light up top flashes once in a while.

How bad is this?


DD

DonB

Have you tried a battery pull

wake69

I rooted with revolutionary and downgraded my bootloader to the 1.04 engineering bootloader, which is the eng bootloader that shipped on very few 3vos with soff

[HBOOT] Engineering Bootloader For Extended Fastboot Commands - xda-developers

nykbob

Watch the video from this page: http://htcevohacks.com/htc-evo-3d-hacks/how-to-root-evo-3d-2-08-651-2-and-later-htc-unlock-method/: in it he mentions about installing a "HTCDriver3.0.0.007.exe" driver. This driver is needed for the connection. Try installing that driver, there is a link to it on the page with the video.

novox77

It sounds quite bad.

As DonB said, try the battery pull. My gut tells me that it won't help.

Did you at any point flash a custom recovery? ROM Manager can do that for you. Did you have ROM manager flash clockworkmod before attempting to backup your ROM? If so, what version of clockworkmod did you flash?

I've always been hesitant to recommend ROM Manager to perform any root-related procedures unless the user knows how to do everything the fully manual way. I've seen this kind of scenario all too much during the Evo 4G's heyday.

Three things need to come together to end up with a bricked phone:

1) S-ON HBOOT (or unable to access HBOOT)
2) broken/missing custom recovery
3) unable to boot into Android

I think your phone satisfies all three conditions, so I do believe you are bricked. Try this one more time for good measure:

1) pull your battery
2) wait 30 seconds
3) put it back in and put the back cover back on, being careful not to press any buttons
4) hold the POWER and VOL-DOWN button for at least 10 seconds

If the white hboot screen doesn't appear, there's nothing left you can do to try to recover the phone.

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XcS Dead Deer

Sorry it took me forever to get back. I did try the battery pull method, and it worked. I thought I was going to be out a phone for a while haha

Thanks for the suggestions!

DD

Branael

Is there a project in the works to have the revolutionary root method work with 1.5 hboot version? I want to root asap but don't want the permanent watermark.

I updated my phone before I had done anything to it ie. s-off.

Thanks.

wake69

the news from IEF as i spoke with him a week or so ago is there will never be a revolutionary update to work with 1.5 hboot. however they are working on a method to possibly downgrade the bootloader to 1.4. that said, since htc is unlocking bootloaders it is a waste of their time to work on unlocking a device that HTC will unlock for you. They are focusing on devices where the vendor is not helping in development. hope this answers your question


and ps, dont ask for an eta or hold your breath

DonB

Question asked to Revo by Wake69 and here was there response below in the IRC

Branael

Ok then, what about if I "break" my phone and ask for a replacement will the bootloader come with the previous version ? Does anyone know? Extreme measures....I don't feel like doing HTC version and getting a permanent marker, if it voids the warranty.

wake69

Unlocking your phone does not void your whole warranty. You had the chance to root via revolutionary. The only way this method void your warranty is if you brick your phone while rooting. This has been confirmed by a few sprint techs. If you want root then root either way gets the same basic things done. But don't blame htc for your reason to not root

LBPHeretic

Okay. So, if I am reading this correctly, and I think I am, I am safe if I gain S-OFF via Revolutionary prior to applying any updates to Android 2.3.4, which flashes HBOOT version 1.50.

So, under that scenario, if I updated to Android 2.3.4 and HBOOT version 1.50 was flashed, as long as I had S-OFF, I could downgrade back to a previous HBOOT. Am I correct in saying that?

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novox77

you are correct. With Revolutionary S-OFF, you can flash any version HBOOT you want, even if you are on 1.5.

LBPHeretic

Is that what most people are doing? Are they just getting S-OFF via Revolutionary and then updating via the OTA to Android 2.3.4 and the maintenance OTA?

The alternative would be to get S-OFF and then flash a clean ROM with the enhancements added I guess. I guess once we have S-OFF, there is no way it can be removed by an update from HTC?

novox77

I am not 100% sure, but I believe that the S-OFF obtained by Revolutionary is not at the HBOOT level, so I think you can take an HBOOT update without losing S-OFF. I think something similar existed with the unrevoked 4ever S-OFF method. The S-OFF was at the radio level, not HBOOT, so you couldn't lose S-OFF with an HBOOT update.

I can't speak for "most people," but I personally downgraded all the way to the ENG HBOOT, and I plan to stick with it. So for this latest 2.3.4 OTA, I flashed most everything except the HBOOT. I don't see any reason to stay updated at the HBOOT level. There will never be functionality offered there that I want. ENG HBOOT has everything I'll ever need.

Although, if they come out with an HBOOT that fixes the horrific text scaling ugliness, I might consider taking it.

wake69

If you have s off with revolutionary and took the OTA for some reason, you lose s off with the bootloader update so if you want the updates flash a 2.3.4 based rom

novox77

Yeah, maybe I'm mistaken. If you rooted with Revolutionary, maybe it's not possible to upgrade the HBOOT to 1.50 without killing the S-OFF. There's really no reason to anyway.

wake69

I downgraded to the eng bootloader leaked with a few 3ds and I think it's 1.04

Last edited by wake69; August 30th, 2011 at 09:15 PM.

LBPHeretic

What are advantages to the ENG bootloader? Wow, I have been dealing with rooting and all the stuff that goes with that for well over a year and I feel like a noob all over again with this handset.

Anyway, I appreciate the help, guys. Any insight is very much appreciated.

wake69

this will explain it better than i can. it is basically a lot more commands like the evo eng bootloader
[HBOOT] Engineering Bootloader For Extended Fastboot Commands - xda-developers

one thing i like is that while it says s-off, it was shipped with a few evo 3ds

Last edited by wake69; August 30th, 2011 at 09:18 PM.

scrosler

This is just my experience. Everyones can differ...

Was at:
s-off
GB 2.3.3
hboot 1.4
twrp recovery

Flashed: Complete RUU, not the OTA but the full release from HTC.

Landed at
s-off
GB 2.3.4
hboot 1.5
HTC recovery.

Next step:
Use HTC Dev to gain bootloader unlock code and apply per there requirements.
Flashed twrp 1.0.3 (Modified for hboot 1.5)
Profited!

I cannot tell you for fact that the OTA will not remove S-OFF but it would stand to reason that if I can flash the entire RUU and maintain S-OFF then the OTA shouldn't take S-OFF. I took a risk as we all did trying this and dont plan on experimenting any further because I dont want to risk S-OFF for NOTHING. So just take it with a grain of salt... This is my experience.

-Scott

Last edited by scrosler; August 31st, 2011 at 03:23 PM.

wake69

I am not doubting you but I remember seeing somewhere where someone took ota and lost a off. I am on phone so search is not as good but will look tomorrow. I know ruu is stock from htc not rooted or anything but... I wouldn't take the chance. Like I said I am not doubting you, I need to look more onto this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16770795&postcount=76

Do u have screen shot of 1.5 bootloader that says s off?

Last edited by wake69; August 30th, 2011 at 10:51 PM.

novox77

Over on the Evo 4G forums, when GB first arrived, a bunch of people accepted the OTA while rooted. Results were all over the place. Some people lost S-OFF and some people kept it. Almost all of these people used the same root method (unrevoked4ever) to get S-OFF.

So I can totally see similar variations here. To be safe, don't update HBOOT. Don't accept OTAs if you're already rooted. The OTA always assume you have a stock configuration, and if you're rooted, you're not stock. Unexpected things could happen.

scrosler

Ahahahaahahahha Your funny... Your not doubting me but you dont beleive so you need a screenshot! ahahahahaaha

Here you go dude....


If you need any more proof let me know maybe I can get it notarized....
ahahahhaa


EDIT: What does your link to questions about 1.13 have anything to do with this thread? Just curious?

You made my day man. That was hilarious!

Last edited by scrosler; August 30th, 2011 at 11:29 PM.

wake69

you did it! I learned early on here from certain mods, screenshot or it didnt happen. I appreciate you posting that. now i still wonder what percent of ppl that will happen to? I will change link, i posted wrong link

scrosler

Indeed!

I would never ever lie. That's my reputation! You may not know me from squat but I have a pretty big name on some other forums

Be warned, like I said... I did this using the RUU method. Not the OTA method but I dont see why there would be a difference. My General advice... DONT TAKE THE OTA if you dont have to!

And I can also respect the "pic or it didint happen" rule. Dont get me wrong. I just thought it was funny when you called ME out... lol I dont hink I have ever been called out before. Ahahaha... Its all good!

wake69

lol, please dont take disrespect, and I have seen you on other sites. But this site is way more noob friendly and sometimes ppl will read one part and take that as gold so i was playing devils advocate

scrosler

Nuttin wrong with that! lol

novox77

dude. that was totally photoshopped.




(kidding)

Silentblack

So when I went to update to 2.08.651.2 by recovery, that went fine. BUT when I went to flash the new radios, PRI, etc by RUU I had downloaded the wrong one. I Unrooted my phone after I updated. Now im stuck on Hboot 1.5 the thing is I still have S-off
Would it be possible for me to downgrade my Hboot?

And since no one believes anyone on this forum.

wake69

if you notice the difference between you and scrosler is his says unlocked and yours says locked so... move forward with caution but we are here to support you



p.s. this is the bootloader i am running, it has many more commands in it than the stock bootloader so it is not bad to have

Last edited by wake69; August 31st, 2011 at 03:24 PM.

scrosler

You didn't do anything wrong and did the same steps I did.

You just need to flash a custom recovery and reflash super user or Custom ROM of choice.

By no means should even consider touch hboot if you are 1.5.... You will not have a good day.

You have s-off and that is what is important. Get yoru yourself twrp 1.0.3 modded for hboot 1.5 and enjoy!

You have a golden egg that many will be envious of! lol

Last edited by scrosler; August 31st, 2011 at 03:20 PM.

wake69

that locked above s-off worries me
perhaps he may have to unlock via htc to go any farther

Silentblack

That is what im trying to avoid, trying to down grade it so I can reroot it.

Also, I see xHausx has a shipped hboot, would it be safe for me to use that one just so i can get it unlocked again?

Last edited by Silentblack; August 31st, 2011 at 03:24 PM.

scrosler

Do not do this! You messing with hboot on 1.5 with locked device. You can potentially hard brick!!!

He needs to go to HTCDev and unlock.... Sorry I forgot to mention that in my earlier post. But yes, that is how you get true unlock status.


I updated my other post to indicate the missing step of going to htcdev to unlock. This will have no affect on your S-OFF status.

Be happy for what you have because many are trying to acquire and are failing because they never had S-OFF.

Last edited by scrosler; August 31st, 2011 at 03:25 PM.

wake69

you are locked with s-off, i have not seen this one yet. try flashing recovery and su and we will go from there. DONT TOUCH YOUR BOOTLOADER YET!!!!!!

wake69

so, you kept s-off and had to unlock via htc? i am getting the picture now.

ps edited my post re bootloader so not to cause problems

scrosler

I think my posts are showing up late

See my response above.

Silentblack

Well what one should I be doing first unlocking or trying to flash a recovery?

scrosler

You have to go to HTCDev to unlock to flash custom recovery.

On HTC Dev they will send you an email confirmation, bla bla bla... Follow there steps.

Once done download the twrp for hboot 1.5. If you cant find I might be able to grab ti real quick but I am at work so resources and time are limited but I will tell you there is a thread on XDA with it.

scrosler

Exactly, thats what I was trying to say with my dealyed postings. Dont 'F' with hboot unless you are prepared for a brick. No one has publicly posted any results with downgrading. I have been talking to one of the guys at revolutionary (or a subsidary of but eitherway a very high ranking dude!) and they are looking at what it takes to downgrade. If memory serves me they actually can but its not public release ready. Dont quite me on that part! Keep in mind this down grade would only be useful if you don't have S-OFF before applying HTC OTA / RUU. Otherwise there is no value in downgrading to hboot 1.4!

Yep! My bad for skipping that step.

Last edited by scrosler; August 31st, 2011 at 03:39 PM.

Silentblack

Well I could always turn S back on, But ill do the HTCDev to unlock my phone and flash a recovery on it.
ill give an update on how it goes.

wake69

if you turn s-on you lose s-off why would you do that?