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Old October 14th, 2012, 01:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have exhausted all other options except to ask for help. I have a CDMA EVO3d on 4.0.3 Hboot 1.58 (software version 2.89.651.2 710RD) Im s-on, with a locked bootloader. I am attempting to root my phone. I went to HTCdev to unlock the bootloader, I got as far as typing this line in cmd,



“fastboot flash unlocktoken Unlock_code.bin”


then nothing happens, the screen with the option to unlock the bootloader does not appear. Ive waited, ive tried just pushing Volume up and power (like on the option screen for bootloader unlocking )I went and tried new unlock tokens, generated new bin files, ive tired numerous times on different laptops n such. I thought maybe I needed to downgrade my hboot to 1.5, but there seems to be no option for that.


Is there an alternative method of unlocking the bootloader? I don’t understand what the deal is. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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Hi! Have you received the unlock_code.bin from htc dev? And if so where did you place the file on your computer?

You shouldn't need to downgrade your hboot and can't without an unlocked bootloader. Not sure exactly what the problem is but im sure we can get it figured out.

Also I moved your post from the other thread into this thread that you started so that it isn't getting answered in two different places!
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Hi! Have you received the unlock_code.bin from htc dev? And if so where did you place the file on your computer?

You shouldn't need to downgrade your hboot and can't without an unlocked bootloader. Not sure exactly what the problem is but im sure we can get it figured out.

Also I moved your post from the other thread into this thread that you started so that it isn't getting answered in two different places!
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thankyou for helping responding so fast. Yes, I received the Unlock_code.bin from HTCdev and its located in the folder C:\Android\platform-tools. Im not sure why its not working, ive tried in so many times. Thankyou for moving my post. Every time i type to command to flash the unlock token, my phone never changes from fast boot to the bootloader unlock option screen.
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Happy to try and help!

We will start with the simple things first! Did you install htc sync? Does the computer successfully recognize your device when plugged in?

Also have you unchecked fastboot in menu>settings>power

And enabled usb debugging under menu>settings>applications>development?

I know these things seem obvious but I just want to make sure nothing simple just got overlooked.
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before we get to far,is this an "as shipped" device,or has it been sent in for repair to htc at some point? is it a cdma shooter(sprint) or gsm shooter_u(some other carrier)

then,why dont we take a step backwards for a bit,and you can try unlocking with my "universal" htcdev directions. you can then post back what prollems you have along the way,and if you get the same response,copy and paste your cmd window here,and well go from there.

make 100% sure you have uninstalled or disabled htc sync,pda net,easy tether,and ANY other program capable of comunicating with the phone.

also try some different usb cables if you havent allready. i learned the hard way not to underestimate the ability of a bad usb cable to eff up things

you copy from your cmd window by:
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paste into a code box by clicking the "#" in an advanced reply screen. paste the output between the [code] tags

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i sometimes refer folks to my rezound guide in other forums,so i decided to make a slightly more "universal" version that i could replicate in other forums,so everyone has a dedicated guide,and there are not accidents with accidental application of rezound specific details or files. devices i am familiar with i will try and tweak and add device specific recovery downloads/info. whatever device youre working on,please feel free to post in this thread,i will be happy to assist you

before we get started,however,be aware that htcdev does have its limitations. it can be used if you only wish to add root access to delete bloat and run a few root requiring apps,but IMO it is best used as a "steppig stone" to get root for downgrade,or for other exploits to run. if s-off is availble on any "downgradeable to" firmware,i do highly recomend to try and achieve that goal if you wish to activly flash roms. im happy to help with this,as well,if needed.

the basic steps will be:
1)unlock with htcdev
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before you start,go ahead and download these files:
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-the latest custom recovery image of your choice, for your device(post if you need help finding one)
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-go to HTCdev - Unlock Bootloader and register an account



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if your device has procedures to s-off,or procedures to downgrade to more exploitable firmware,you can procede with that now

if youre considering leaving htcdev unlock,read this if you want to flash roms: s-on and want to flash roms? READ THIS

s-off is better,and worth whatever extra efforts to achieve if available.

*hope it helps,holler if you have questions

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Note to OP: I deleted a double posting. I hope you don't mind. Our guides are ninjas. They're on top of stuff, so they organize and merge. That gave this thread two of the same posts.

So? I deleted one! Yeah, you really only need to post once, fyi. Thanks!
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Happy to try and help!

We will start with the simple things first! Did you install htc sync? Does the computer successfully recognize your device when plugged in?

Also have you unchecked fastboot in menu>settings>power

And enabled usb debugging under menu>settings>applications>development?

I know these things seem obvious but I just want to make sure nothing simple just got overlooked.
I have installed HTC sync, and my laptop does recognize my phone. Yes I have unchecked fastboot in menu>settings>power, And enabled usb debugging under menu>settings>applications>development...
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before we get to far,is this an "as shipped" device,or has it been sent in for repair to htc at some point? is it a cdma shooter(sprint) or gsm shooter_u(some other carrier)

then,why dont we take a step backwards for a bit,and you can try unlocking with my "universal" htcdev directions. you can then post back what prollems you have along the way,and if you get the same response,copy and paste your cmd window here,and well go from there.

make 100% sure you have uninstalled or disabled htc sync,pda net,easy tether,and ANY other program capable of comunicating with the phone.

also try some different usb cables if you havent allready. i learned the hard way not to underestimate the ability of a bad usb cable to eff up things

you copy from your cmd window by:
-right click
-clock mark
-highlight everything in white
-hit enter

paste into a code box by clicking the "#" in an advanced reply screen. paste the output between the [code] tags
this is "as shipped" from htc to replace a broken evo4g, this is the CDMA version evo3d that i have currently. Evo3d 4.0.3 locked hboot 1.58/2.89 s-on unrooted. The method you posted is similar to what i was doing, its just that the
"fastboot flash unlocktoken Unlock_code.bin" dosnt seem to do anything when i flash it with cmd

This is where my phone should be giving me the option to unlock the bootloader, but it just never happens... Thankyou for all your assisstance, seriously.
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I think I see the problem! Move the unlock code file to c:/android on your computer. Move from platform tools folder to just the android folder and try again!


Your command prompt is in that directory but it can't find your unlock code because it isn't in the same directory.
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I think I see the problem! Move the unlock code file to c:/android on your computer. Move from platform tools folder to just the android folder and try again!


Your command prompt is in that directory but it can't find your unlock code because it isn't in the same directory.
i dont think thats it... if unlock_code.bin was not in the same folder as the fastboot utility,then he would have gotten a different error. the fact that it "writes" the token indicates that it found the .bin file and attempted to send it to the phone.

again,it seems far fetched,but dont discount the usb cable.

you may simply be having trouble becasue htc has refurbished the phone,and some parts inside dont match. i ran into this with someone in the sensation forum,ill have to try and find that post to see what exactly the prollem was inside.

i have also ran into a similar issue when trying to unlock my one x,after attempting to downgrade by flashing a hex edited misc image. if this is the case,running an ruu would put all partitions back to stock,and the unlock would then work.

have you tried any other such procedures on your phone prior to trying to unlock?

my "long" directions and download are indeed the exact same thing as what youre doing,but following them closely and using my download would eliminate any possiibility of not having all the utilities in your fastboot folder,changeing to correct directory,etc. we can continue down the road were on,but it may take longer to figure it out(if its figure-outable )

at this point,i personally am betting on one of the following:
1)bad usb cable
2)fact that its htc refurbished
3)you have modified the misc image or some other partition attempting to downgrade.

if you can elimnate one or two,a call to htc may be in order.
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Scotty you are most likely right as you are the htc guru but I do think he should at least try because it's a simple thing to try and won't hurt anything.

He did say in the first reply that the unlock code was in C:\Android\Platform-Tools. And in the screen shot his command Window is in C:\Android.

Too many times some tiny detail becomes the largest hurdle


Also I noticed that the file size was 0 kb. I assumed this may also be because the file wasn't present. I will double check the size of my unlock code later this morning when I have a chance.
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I think I see the problem! Move the unlock code file to c:/android on your computer. Move from platform tools folder to just the android folder and try again!


Your command prompt is in that directory but it can't find your unlock code because it isn't in the same directory.
Sorry, the picture i posted was of a similar cmd prompt screen saying the same details, it was faster then doing on my laptop again... but my bin code is in C:\Android\platform-tools, sorry for the confusion...
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i dont think thats it... if unlock_code.bin was not in the same folder as the fastboot utility,then he would have gotten a different error. the fact that it "writes" the token indicates that it found the .bin file and attempted to send it to the phone.

again,it seems far fetched,but dont discount the usb cable.

you may simply be having trouble becasue htc has refurbished the phone,and some parts inside dont match. i ran into this with someone in the sensation forum,ill have to try and find that post to see what exactly the prollem was inside.

i have also ran into a similar issue when trying to unlock my one x,after attempting to downgrade by flashing a hex edited misc image. if this is the case,running an ruu would put all partitions back to stock,and the unlock would then work.

have you tried any other such procedures on your phone prior to trying to unlock?

my "long" directions and download are indeed the exact same thing as what youre doing,but following them closely and using my download would eliminate any possiibility of not having all the utilities in your fastboot folder,changeing to correct directory,etc. we can continue down the road were on,but it may take longer to figure it out(if its figure-outable )

at this point,i personally am betting on one of the following:
1)bad usb cable
2)fact that its htc refurbished
3)you have modified the misc image or some other partition attempting to downgrade.

if you can elimnate one or two,a call to htc may be in order.
So i tried a new usb cable, i even downloaded the miniadb and used a different computer on vista, still did not work... It might be the phone was refurbished, one of my friends told me that might be the reason also, when my evo4g broke, htc told me thier was none left and sent me this 3d instead... I actually havnt tried any downgrade procedures yet, i wasnt sure of any. I did run an RUU of 2.17 to see if i could use it to dg, but that didnt work, and that was after i tried everything else...

so ive eliminated the bad usb, unless all of them are... lol, (could be), i also dont know if its refurbished, and i havnt changed any images... thast 2/3 So should i call htc>>
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Scotty you are most likely right as you are the htc guru but I do think he should at least try because it's a simple thing to try and won't hurt anything.

He did say in the first reply that the unlock code was in C:\Android\Platform-Tools. And in the screen shot his command Window is in C:\Android.

Too many times some tiny detail becomes the largest hurdle


Also I noticed that the file size was 0 kb. I assumed this may also be because the file wasn't present. I will double check the size of my unlock code later this morning when I have a chance.
I did try what he suggested, and the screen shot was not of my laptop but of a similar screen saying the same details... all of my needed files are in C:\Android\platform-tools, also... every .bin ive recieved has been around 300bytes, saves as 1kb, i dont think cmd reads bytes... possibly... lol
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I did try what he suggested, and the screen shot was not of my laptop but of a similar screen saying the same details... all of my needed files are in C:\Android\platform-tools, also... every .bin ive recieved has been around 300bytes, saves as 1kb, i dont think cmd reads bytes... possibly... lol
Is it possible to take a screen shot of your command window after running the flash unlock token command and post it up for us?

Or if you can just verify that your Command window starts with:

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Or if you can just verify that your Command window starts with:

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Yes, definitely, i was unable to get one from my primary laptop lastnight because i was doing some updates; however, here is one i took from my primary laptop five minutes ago. I hope this can help.
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Well, unfortunately it looks like you're doing everything correctly, so the problem is likely what Scotty is talking about. I unfortunately can't offer any advice on that situation because I have never seen this before.

The good news is, Scotty is an expert on all things HTC so if there is any possible way to get unlocked from this point, he will be the one that can get it done! If he hasn't popped back in to check on you in a little bit I will send him a reminder that his expertise is needed!
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Well, unfortunately it looks like you're doing everything correctly, so the problem is likely what Scotty is talking about. I unfortunately can't offer any advice on that situation because I have never seen this before.

The good news is, Scotty is an expert on all things HTC so if there is any possible way to get unlocked from this point, he will be the one that can get it done! If he hasn't popped back in to check on you in a little bit I will send him a reminder that his expertise is needed!
Ok well thankyou, im assuming their has to be an alternative method for unlocking the bootloader, htcdev method has only been out so long...
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Ok well thankyou, im assuming their has to be an alternative method for unlocking the bootloader, htcdev method has only been out so long...

You may well be right. I have not heard of any other methods though. For users that had h-boot 1.4 or below there is an easier method to root that gets you s-off. Doesn't even unlock the bootloader (which is not needed if you have s-off) Ever since H-boot 1.5 this method has been patched and you are forced to unlock through HTC dev. As far as I know this is the only way to still get root but you never know...
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You may well be right. I have not heard of any other methods though. For users that had h-boot 1.4 or below there is an easier method to root that gets you s-off. Doesn't even unlock the bootloader (which is not needed if you have s-off) Ever since H-boot 1.5 this method has been patched and you are forced to unlock through HTC dev. As far as I know this is the only way to still get root but you never know...
I see what your saying, that makes complete sense. Well, it must be a refurbished device... Ive heard of people doing like some sort of dbl brick force downgrade on the hboot, have you heard of anything like that? I mean, i know, it sounds completely absurd to temp brick your device to gain root access... im just curious.
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I see what your saying, that makes complete sense. Well, it must be a refurbished device... Ive heard of people doing like some sort of dbl brick force downgrade on the hboot, have you heard of anything like that? I mean, i know, it sounds completely absurd to temp brick your device to gain root access... im just curious.

The only time I have heard of the temp brick downgrade is to get s-off. It is one of two methods (the other being the wire trick) to get s-off on your phone after hboot 1.5 or later. Both of these require that you are already unlocked and rooted though I believe.

I am assuming this is the temp brick method you are talking about but if there's something I haven't heard of yet, then I might be learning something new!

And to be honest, if there is a way with temp bricking, I would wait for Scotty to give his advice on that. I'd be a little scared to temp brick!
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The only time I have heard of the temp brick downgrade is to get s-off. It is one of two methods (the other being the wire trick) to get s-off on your phone after hboot 1.5 or later. Both of these require that you are already unlocked and rooted though I believe.

I am assuming this is the temp brick method you are talking about but if there's something I haven't heard of yet, then I might be learning something new!

And to be honest, if there is a way with temp bricking, I would wait for Scotty to give his advice on that. I'd be a little scared to temp brick!
That is what i was talking about, Its almost a catch22... Ya your right, its a little scary to think about bricking at all, thanks for the advice, ill for sure what to see what he says was about it all..
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so ive eliminated the bad usb, unless all of them are... lol, (could be), i also dont know if its refurbished, and i havnt changed any images... thast 2/3 So should i call htc>>
that is prolly the best option,as long as you dont care about admitting to them that youre trying to unlock your bootloader,wich may void all or parts of your warranty,according to their disclaimer. this does NOT mean that you have no warranty,legitimate hardware issues are likely to be taken care of,and in all honesty,its very likely that neither sprint nor htc check for signs of unlocking/rooting/etc. when addressing warranty returns. vzw has admitted publicly that they do not check for root,only for the following:
1)the condition of the shipping packaging
2)overall physical condition of the device(scratches,nicks,etc)
3)that it powers on(or doesnt)

sprint is likely to be the same,as in reality we, as rooted users, are still in the minority of the entire phone using population. it would be very difficult to train staff at vzw,sprint,etc. to be able to check all devices of all manufactures for signs of root when doing their inspections. its just not really worth their time. in the long run its cheaper/easier to just replace a few devices that they prolly shouldnt have.

having said that,the possibility is there,and is up to you to decide the amount of risk involved.

if the issue is hardware related,then the only solution for using htcdev unlock is to have them send you a device with everything matching. the thread i was refering to earlier,is this one in the htc sensation forum. it was presumed his issue was a IMEI/ ESN mismatch,due to having the main board replaced.

unfortunately,he did not recieve much help from them. i dont mean to suggest to do anything dishonest,but if the phone has any issue you can find,you might call sprint(rather than htc) and argue with them to send you a replacement. hopefully you will get one that you can unlock.

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Ok well thankyou, im assuming their has to be an alternative method for unlocking the bootloader, htcdev method has only been out so long...
unfortunately... no. htcdev unlock technically "works" for flashing roms(tho is IMO a PITA),and at the very least is a good,solid means of gaining root to make other exploits work.

as such,i dont think devs and hackers are spending nearly as much time looking for software temp root exploits. especially since the juopunut bear s-off method reverses the relocked watermark,making it pretty much undetectable that you ever did anything(well,except for htc having your info on file from getting your unlock token)

todays newer,more complex devices are doing many more security checks,making it much harder for software exploits to be of much benefit. the emmc is write protected on s-on devices,so you need to disable that,but the typical ways of doing that have all been patched,and every partition is protected by another.

back in the old days,simply changing the main version on the phones misc partition would let the phone think it was "upgrading" to older firmware

we cannot do that now,because the phone checks the hboot version as well,and wont let you flash old software/firmware with a newer hboot.

you cannot modify hboot,becasue doing so breaks the htc signiture,casuing an immediate softbrick. you cant modify the partition thats checking hboot siginiture,as something else is checking that

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I see what your saying, that makes complete sense. Well, it must be a refurbished device... Ive heard of people doing like some sort of dbl brick force downgrade on the hboot, have you heard of anything like that? I mean, i know, it sounds completely absurd to temp brick your device to gain root access... im just curious.
prior to juopunut bear,hboot 1.4 or less was needed to s-off with revolutionary. clever user unknownforce on xda used a strategy to dowgrade hboot,based on the unbricking info/tool created by dexter93 for the sensation. basically you have to brick the phone in a specific way,wich will put the phones processor into a qualcom download mode,at wich point the tool can be used to recover the phone,but to a lower hboot than what you had.

the obvious dis-advantage,is that the soft brick you are required to create,could lead to an unrecoverable hard brick.

info on the dowgrade tool is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1563342

due to the obvious disadvantage,and the fact that we have no idea how the issue your phone has may affect this softbrick/downgrade process i cant in good feeling recomend that you try it.... as having a phone that would cooperate with htcdev,then running juopunut bear is a 100% more safe method of achieveing root/s-off.
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I did run an RUU of 2.17 to see if i could use it to dg, but that didnt work, and that was after i tried everything else...
this just all of a sudden popped into my head,from reading the above a while ago:

i assume you ran the 2.17 ruu in attempt to downgrade(wich is wat didnt work).

have you run the ruu for 2.89.651.2 710,your current firmware? if your device is "refurbished"(but not so much),its a long shot chance that a previous user of that device may have modified something trying to downgrade,or do something similar.

in this scenario,running the 2.89 ruu should restore any modified partitions,and let the unlock work. i think we are on track with some sort of hardware issue/mismatch,but a last ditch effort to avoid yelling at sprint or htc may be to run the current ruu. a factory reset in hboot immediately afterward prolly isnt neccessary,but prolly wouldnt hurt
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Just to save some effort, here is the RUU Scotty wants you to run.

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this just all of a sudden popped into my head,from reading the above a while ago:

i assume you ran the 2.17 ruu in attempt to downgrade(wich is wat didnt work).

have you run the ruu for 2.89.651.2 710,your current firmware? if your device is "refurbished"(but not so much),its a long shot chance that a previous user of that device may have modified something trying to downgrade,or do something similar.

in this scenario,running the 2.89 ruu should restore any modified partitions,and let the unlock work. i think we are on track with some sort of hardware issue/mismatch,but a last ditch effort to avoid yelling at sprint or htc may be to run the current ruu. a factory reset in hboot immediately afterward prolly isnt neccessary,but prolly wouldnt hurt
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Any news on this? I've got a 3d that a buddy of mine gave me and i'm having this exact same problem..
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correction, using the 2.89.651.2 710 RUU file, fixed my problem, thanks guys!
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cool,glad you got it

keep fingers crossed for unlockableevo to have the same luck!
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SUCCESS!!! Simply awesome... whats funny, i thought of doing this after the 2.17 ruu failed, but i didnt see the significance of it all... I had root within 15 minutes of reading this post, lol... then i was having trouble with wifi tether, got that working... So here I am!! Thanks alot for all the support guys! I will for sure be recommending everyone I know to this forum. This was the VERY first forum i've ever joined for android advice and help, I extremely glad I did.
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SUCCESS!!! Simply awesome... whats funny, i thought of doing this after the 2.17 ruu failed, but i didnt see the significance of it all... I had root within 15 minutes of reading this post, lol... then i was having trouble with wifi tether, got that working... So here I am!! Thanks alot for all the support guys! I will for sure be recommending everyone I know to this forum. This was the VERY first forum i've ever joined for android advice and help, I extremely glad I did.
Great News!! So glad to hear this! Thanks for the kind words, enjoy your rooted 3vo!
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SUCCESS!!! Simply awesome... whats funny, i thought of doing this after the 2.17 ruu failed, but i didnt see the significance of it all... I had root within 15 minutes of reading this post, lol... then i was having trouble with wifi tether, got that working... So here I am!! Thanks alot for all the support guys! I will for sure be recommending everyone I know to this forum. This was the VERY first forum i've ever joined for android advice and help, I extremely glad I did.
awsome! i really didnt think it would work,im glad to have been wrong in this situation

i guess from this we can assume that sprint does just about as good a job as vzw at actually "refurbishing" their refurbs,lol. dont know what a previous user may have done,but sounds like something that changed things at least a lil bit!

note to self: when users have trouble with htcdev and everything looks correct,run ruu as one of the first fixes
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here is a question for you experts....

the old s-off rev method was a permanent s-off approach.
j-bear from what i hear will go away when you run a RUU or get an OTA update.

is the above true. if so is it possible to use j-bear then downgrade hboot to trick the other tool for permanent s-off.
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You want to be able to revert using the RUU, and never take an ota if you're rooted. If you don't do either of these things then you have permanent root.
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here is a question for you experts....

the old s-off rev method was a permanent s-off approach.
j-bear from what i hear will go away when you run a RUU or get an OTA update.

is the above true. if so is it possible to use j-bear then downgrade hboot to trick the other tool for permanent s-off.
you have heard incorrectly. juopunut bear is providing a patched hboot to allow extra fastboot commands,like revolutionary. running an ruu will overwrite the patched hboot,again like revolutionary. however,s-off does not go away. rest assured that jp bear is giving you the same radio s-off as revolutionary,there is no need to do anything.

you are free to run any ruu you wish,even take OTAs as long as you have the stock recovery in place.

if you wish to add the jpbear hboot back after running an ruu,unlimited.io has them available to download,and they are easy to install as a PG86IMG in hboot.

your radio s-off is permanent,and will stay until you issue a fastboot command to deliberately change it.
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you have heard incorrectly. juopunut bear is providing a patched hboot to allow extra fastboot commands,like revolutionary. running an ruu will overwrite the patched hboot,again like revolutionary. however,s-off does not go away. rest assured that jp bear is giving you the same radio s-off as revolutionary,there is no need to do anything.

you are free to run any ruu you wish,even take OTAs as long as you have the stock recovery in place.

if you wish to add the jpbear hboot back after running an ruu,unlimited.io has them available to download,and they are easy to install as a PG86IMG in hboot.

your radio s-off is permanent,and will stay until you issue a fastboot command to deliberately change it.
much clearer thank you... for reference where would i download the stock recovery if i ever want to take an ota...
i currently run a cm 10 private port anthrax edition and hboot 1/04 eng
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much clearer thank you... for reference where would i download the stock recovery if i ever want to take an ota...
i currently run a cm 10 private port anthrax edition and hboot 1/04 eng
best place to get it would be from the ruu of the build number you were running at the time.

keep in mind,that an OTA will not happen,if the firmware isnt correct,and the build number one of the release versions.you also have to be fairly stock(i.e. not deletedsystem apps) so if youve mixed and matched hboots and radios and/or are on a custom rom,or even on a heavilly modded stock rom,you wont get an OTA no matter what recovery you run.


for example:
if you were on stock sprint ICS 2.89.651.2,and you installed a custom recovery,added root,and froze a couple system apps(but didnt delete),and an OTA notification popped up,you would need to:
-download 2.89.651.2 ruu
-extract it,and install the included stock recovery image
-unfreeze all your frozen system apps and files
*you do not need to remove superuser or its matching binary to allow the OTA,contrary to some popular belief. meeting the above criteria is all you need.

at this point,you could accept an OTA. the superuser app will remain,but the OTA will overwrite the binary,unrooting you in the process. as long as youre s-off,this isnt a big deal,you just:
-reinstall custom recovery
-flash superuser files
-refreeze all your bloat

and then you would have successfully OTAed to a new build/firmware without losing any personal data

example #2:
you are runing a custom rom and custom recovery(your situation) and want to upgrade to a firmware/build there is not RUU for.

you will need to:
-run an ruu for the most recent release build(currently 2.89.651.2)

this will correct all partitions,including all correct firmware,stock recovery,and all required system apps and files in place. within short order you should OTA.
at that point,since youre s off you can
-reinstall custom recovery
-flash superuser files
-freeze bloat,make a backup or whatever.
*alternately,you could simply flash a custom rom rather than flashing superuser

hope that clears it up
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