There is a new release of KDE coming out very soon which blows Gnome and the current KDE way out of the water.
Yeah, I heard about that in think the official release is in like a month and half from now or something.... but from what I can tell it isn't all that different aside from the desk top and not using firefox... I guess a better question would be what are the advantages/disadvantages of one vs the other.....
Aside from personal preferences of installed software, I don't think there are any advantages or disadvantages over either. They are both based on Debian (which I used to have installed), use the same kernel and have access to the same software packages. You can install Kubuntu and on top of that install everything from Ubuntu that you dont have and vice versa.
I end up uninstalling a bunch of things I dont like, install a bunch I havent got installed and end up with something perfect for me. I always back up the downloaded packages from /var/cache/apt/archives in case something goes wrong (and it hasnt yet)
Im using 8.10 and so far I havent had a single issue with anything, then again I have been using Linux for 12 years so I guess any minor trivial issues go unnoticed and become part of routine install/maintenance.
Everything is so nice and simple now, I remember having to compile kernels, compile KDE and gnome by hand, find and compile the correct drivers. Linux has come a heck of a long way in the past few years.
Aside from personal preferences of installed software, I don't think there are any advantages or disadvantages over either. They are both based on Debian (which I used to have installed), use the same kernel and have access to the same software packages. You can install Kubuntu and on top of that install everything from Ubuntu that you dont have and vice versa.
I end up uninstalling a bunch of things I dont like, install a bunch I havent got installed and end up with something perfect for me. I always back up the downloaded packages from /var/cache/apt/archives in case something goes wrong (and it hasnt yet)
Im using 8.10 and so far I havent had a single issue with anything, then again I have been using Linux for 12 years so I guess any minor trivial issues go unnoticed and become part of routine install/maintenance.
Everything is so nice and simple now, I remember having to compile kernels, compile KDE and gnome by hand, find and compile the correct drivers. Linux has come a heck of a long way in the past few years.
That's what I thought they both use the same backbone but different desktops so... I'll stick with what I've got only been a Linux users for a few months so.... and I agree the last time I even thought about linux it was so far off I never even considered the install and now I am a convert so..... think it'll only get better since it appears that not only is it a real contender for pc OS(much more efficient) but looks to be the wave of the future for mobile OS....
Loved the ending, can't believe I gave those guys 5 years of my life. The pay was good, thats all I can say was good.
I take it you have heard of crossover office and WineX ? They are both built on WINE, but crossover allows more native windows apps to run on Linux, and WineX allows DirectX games to run on linux check them out if you havent already, downside is they are not free
Loved the ending, can't believe I gave those guys 5 years of my life. The pay was good, thats all I can say was good.
I take it you have heard of crossover office and WineX ? They are both built on WINE, but crossover allows more native windows apps to run on Linux, and WineX allows DirectX games to run on linux check them out if you havent already, downside is they are not free
Yeah actually just got Wine running the way I want... that was really the last barrier for complete switch... needed to make sure all my games or at least the ones I use ran right.... it took a while because evreything needs tweaking like getting hotmail in thunderbird but took almost two months but I think I have a decent handle on it now...
I'm sure you know this but winex is called cedega now.....
Thats the one, I clean forgot about the name change. Thanks
Development on Linux is just as nice now as on Windows, KDevelop, and Anjuta (for gnome) are nice clean interfaces and of course we have Eclipse for the Android development which I'm about to get my teeth in to, but Im a c/c++ fan at heart. If I could write native code for the G1 I will be more than happy doing something flashy in c++
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Thats the one, I clean forgot about the name change. Thanks
Development on Linux is just as nice now as on Windows, KDevelop, and Anjuta (for gnome) are nice clean interfaces and of course we have Eclipse for the Android development which I'm about to get my teeth in to, but Im a c/c++ fan at heart. If I could write native code for the G1 I will be more than happy doing something flashy in c++
Yeah I haven't really done to much in the way of real programing in about 8 years or so.... WAY out of the loop so to speak but I mess with things from time to time just to see what's possible.... Eclipse was one of the first things I installed....
I'm considering porting the CCTV suite I wrote at work to Linux, and have a client application on the G1 (and will have to support iPhone too). The android side will be easy, the infrastructure is already there, RTSP, H264, Audio. Just need a fancy UI to sell the idea to them.
I'm considering porting the CCTV suite I wrote at work to Linux, and have a client application on the G1 (and will have to support iPhone too). The android side will be easy, the infrastructure is already there, RTSP, H264, Audio. Just need a fancy UI to sell the idea to them.
If you write it I'll test it.... one more question but have you ever used Ubuntu Tweak.... if so any ideas on how to get something like that on the G1?
If you write it I'll test it.... one more question but have you ever used Ubuntu Tweak.... if so any ideas on how to get something like that on the G1?
I personally love Ubuntu to death, and the new 8.10 automatically recognized all of my drivers "out-of-the-box" without me having to break into the command line and do some tinkering like other Linux OSs had. Ubuntu runs great on my Desktop and Laptop computers, and I have yet to have any problems with performance yet!
Now, when you set up things such as Compiz-Fusion, you can really start booking with stunning visual effects. ( I personally like the flame that engulfs the window when I close it :P )
Also, I even got my school to stop using Windows 2000 and to instead switch to Edubuntu and Ubuntu Server for everything :P
( My school IT was happy to find that Ubuntu ran Firefox and Flash )
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I personally love Ubuntu to death, and the new 8.10 automatically recognized all of my drivers "out-of-the-box" without me having to break into the command line and do some tinkering like other Linux OSs had. Ubuntu runs great on my Desktop and Laptop computers, and I have yet to have any problems with performance yet!
Now, when you set up things such as Compiz-Fusion, you can really start booking with stunning visual effects. ( I personally like the flame that engulfs the window when I close it :P )
Also, I even got my school to stop using Windows 2000 and to instead switch to Edubuntu and Ubuntu Server for everything :P
( My school IT was happy to find that Ubuntu ran Firefox and Flash )
I agree I am running 8.10 now had some issues with the install when I was dual booting ended up on 8.04 until I went back to single boot with 8.10 but other than having to set up the wireless network everything worked from the install... Compiz is awsome great effects but I just like how stable it is and once you get the basics just a much smoother system than windows by far....
How is 8.10 running for you guys? I used it for a while and loved some of the things they fixed from 8.04 but went back because of overall stability, and they really jacked up Samba configuration. Anyone running some high end programs in wine? Like WoW, or GTA? Wine 1.1.13 and .12 have some serious crash issues with WoW, and I had to drop back down to 1.1.10 because of it.
I've had no real issues with 8.10 although I did have network issues and a couple other little things with it when I was dual booting found 8.04 worked better... but since I have gone back to single boot only now only booting 8.10 it's worked great... as far as wine no real issues although I haven't used the software you've listed so can't say and I've only been using Ubuntu for two months so in time I'm sure I 'll cross similar issues as you... also you might want to try this if your having gaming issues: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
Hi everyone, i have really been enjoying reading this thread and because of it i have switched my desktop computer to run OpenSuse purely because it looked better than Ubuntu.
Does anyone know the main differences between the 2 as i may well switch to Ubuntu if everyone agrees that it is the better one.
Well Ubuntu is really a branch of Debian which in my opinion is the most stable of the Linux operating systems (dont think desktop environments here), they generally push out security fixes and updates more often than other distributions due to the heavy user base Debian enjoys.
Ubuntu, like Debian has a heavy following with a great forum of supporters offering aid (like most distributions). One difference that is noticable between Suse (add any other distro here you want really) and Ubuntu is that you can opt to have either
I like Ubuntu (Debians) for their package management which I feel is better than any of the other variants offered by other distros (and I have used most of the big distros over the last 12 years).
I used SuSe for about a month before giving up, I cant stand RPM package management it employs (Red Hats) and I didnt like their choice of software. Ubuntu has a very limit set of software upon default install, but small is good and maintainable and you can always install whatever you like post install.
At the end of the day, 12 years Linux experience has taught me go with Debian (Ubuntu, Kubuntu or any other Ubuntu variant).
Well Ubuntu is really a branch of Debian which in my opinion is the most stable of the Linux operating systems (dont think desktop environments here), they generally push out security fixes and updates more often than other distributions due to the heavy user base Debian enjoys.
Ubuntu, like Debian has a heavy following with a great forum of supporters offering aid (like most distributions). One difference that is noticable between Suse (add any other distro here you want really) and Ubuntu is that you can opt to have either
I like Ubuntu (Debians) for their package management which I feel is better than any of the other variants offered by other distros (and I have used most of the big distros over the last 12 years).
I used SuSe for about a month before giving up, I cant stand RPM package management it employs (Red Hats) and I didnt like their choice of software. Ubuntu has a very limit set of software upon default install, but small is good and maintainable and you can always install whatever you like post install.
At the end of the day, 12 years Linux experience has taught me go with Debian (Ubuntu, Kubuntu or any other Ubuntu variant).
Thanks for answering Ageless Stranger, if Ubuntu is based on Debian why not just use that instead?
I have said this before, but I dont mind repeating myself. The difference lies in the desktop environments. Ubuntu uses Gnome and Kubuntu uses KDE for their desktops.
Essentially this is the main difference (the other differences are the software written specifically for the chosen desktops), and is really a matter of personal preference and choice. Although if you install Ubuntu, you can always install KDE later and launch it from the login screen, and vice versa if you opt for Kubuntu you can install gnome.
Thanks for answering Ageless Stranger, if Ubuntu is based on Debian why not just use that instead?
Good point, well I just decided to try Ubuntu one day and haven't uninstalled it since, I guess it had a nicer desktop by default than Debian did. There isn't really much in it really.
Also I lost my need to be a geek years ago, all I want out of my computer now is ease of use and stability. Ubuntu gives me both of these, everything works as is and doesnt need tinkering with.
foo is standing over my shoulder here saying that Debian isn't maintained/updated nearly as much as Ubuntu stuff.
Oh yes, I forgot that aspect. That is because Debian is considered the most stable of the Linux OS's due to the heavy testing that goes on before releasing software into the wild (unless you opt for the "testing" less secure updates, which would make it more like Ubuntu).
Oh yes, I forgot that aspect. That is because Debian is considered the most stable of the Linux OS's due to the heavy testing that goes on before releasing software into the wild (unless you opt for the "testing" less secure updates, which would make it more like Ubuntu).
This thread somes up why linux wont make it big anytime soon, an MCSE asking for help using it.
I have the same academic background and i also had the same issues with vista as you, but id rather cut my right arm off with a pair of rusty scissors than use linux again using a command prompt is just going backwards. XP is just a great operating system, but unfortunately a victim of its own success in many ways. I only hope windows 7 will be as good and also hope one there will be a linux version for the masses.
This thread somes up why linux wont make it big anytime soon, an MCSE asking for help using it.
I have the same academic background and i also had the same issues with vista as you, but id rather cut my right arm off with a pair of rusty scissors than use linux again using a command prompt is just going backwards. XP is just a great operating system, but unfortunately a victim of its own success in many ways. I only hope windows 7 will be as good and also hope one there will be a linux version for the masses.
Yes, I know asking for help... but after two months of using it and dual booting I have decided that Ubuntu is the way for me hence the reason I now single boot Ubuntu... while yes it is a LONG way off from main stream it is in my humble opinion much better than Vista...and no one can deny it is MUCH more stable...... and I no longer need help just took a few weeks to learn the basics and from there you just can't compare... you really should try Ubuntu or some form of it; dual boot and see what you think.... anyone who is even remotely savvy can master it quickly and see the benifits.... I did and I have been a windows user/fan since my first 386 and back then if you can remember the alternitive to windows was GeoWorks.... probably dates me but it'll give you an idea of how long I have used windows and if I can be turned to Linux so can anyone!
Yes, I know asking for help... but after two months of using it and dual booting I have decided that Ubuntu is the way for me hence the reason I now single boot Ubuntu... while yes it is a LONG way off from main stream it is in my humble opinion much better than Vista...and no one can deny it is MUCH more stable...... and I no longer need help just took a few weeks to learn the basics and from there you just can't compare... you really should try Ubuntu or some form of it; dual boot and see what you think.... anyone who is even remotely savvy can master it quickly and see the benifits.... I did and I have been a windows user/fan since my first 386 and back then if you can remember the alternitive to windows was GeoWorks.... probably dates me but it'll give you an idea of how long I have used windows and if I can be turned to Linux so can anyone!
I had to ask for help too mate
I did try ubuntu and a few others, but i was already happy with xp, i dual booted, i just wasnt in the mood for messing around learning something which i believe should of been made a lot more intuitive. It just angered me. I spend my days figuring things out all day and enjoy it, but for my desktop operating system i want something that just works, thats one area i have no time for complication, especially something as mudaine as driver installation, i had it all working within an hour or so, but didnt like the whole experience. I have nothing against linux, and when it can do something for me that xp cant, ill start using it again.
forgot to add that I have also tried the Beta for 7 while it is better still falls far short of Ubuntu....
I grabbed it a few days ago, not tried it yet, i suppose we will never know until the polished final version is released. At this rate i could be stuck on xp for a millenia
Bring back windows 3.1 lol.
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I grabbed it a few days ago, not tried it yet, i suppose we will never know until the polished final version is released. At this rate i could be stuck on xp for a millenia
Bring back windows 3.2 lol.
Honestly I believe that Microsoft is WAY of track these days... the average user wants it to look great and have better than apple graphics and interface but they want it to function as smoothly as xp well they missed! On 7 looks better but runs the same as vista if your lucky but yes it is the beta.... The problem I see is that they are forcing you to not only upgrade your pc(mistake in this economy since most can't afford to) but to have NO LESS than 2 gigs of ram just to run with out getting hung up or constant pauses among other things.... Just got tired of fighting with what I know,,, figured it was time to try something new and since the last dual boot I had wasn't really a dual boot it was a removable hard drive on a 386 like I said running geoworks and windows hell I remember the days of edlin in dos but just so sick of fighting to get what should work by it self to work and continue to work each time...... Just curious but what version of Ubuntu did you try?
I missed the DOS days 3.1 was the first i used on a huge laptop. I have no idea what version of ubuntu is was, i tried it around 12-18 months ago i think.
Whats application support like in unbuntu, i use a new piece of software almost everyday, i really need good application support, thats another minus for vista, though 99% of the applications i used worked.
I missed the DOS days 3.1 was the first i used on a huge laptop. I have no idea what version of ubuntu is was, i tried it around 12-18 months ago i think.
Whats application support like in unbuntu, i use a new piece of software almost everyday, i really need good application support, thats another minus for vista, though 99% of the applications i used worked.
So far so good and when I have an issue there is ALWAYS an answer on the forums only complaint I really had was the emulator that allows the use of windows software (WINE) but there are a few versions/branches out and in conjunction it works well.... I wish I could say the same with Vista! all I can say is if you got 99% to work your are a better man than I... for me I would have to say 85% and that is including the launch in xp sp2 selection.... but what I choose isn't going to be the same as the next man so... all I can say is I chose Ubuntu 8.10 originally 8.04 in dual boot and as soon as I knew what to do I just couldn't look at windows the same way... Your call man give it another shot not like it's going to cost you anything Ubuntu and most of the software/apps are free so.... only thing I can suggest if you do try again is if you like a cleaner looking desktop enviroment than I would go with KUbuntu may be a better fit for you....then again you could always run all dirivitives of Ubuntu once you've installed Ubuntu just add them on and select them at the log in screen....just so you know though I haven't given up on windows 7 hope its better than the beta... wish I could say that about IE8 what a let down that software is....
Actually I completely disagree with that statement. People are so use to the flashy graphical environment these days, they tend to shy away from the power of the command line. While a flash UI make look good, things can be done a lot quicker using the command line than with a mouse and a few taps on the keyboard. For example, you want to get a directory listing from a machine, or you want to get a ping response from all the alive machines on a particular subnet, I can do that in seconds on the command line. I would love to see how most people would accomplish that task using the UI without downloading extra software.
edit: Even though I spend 99% of my time using the UI, the command line still has its uses. Every piece of software is a tool to get the job done, the trick is knowing what tool is the best tool for the job at the time.
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Looking at that link, Microsoft always seems one or two steps behind everyone else.
I have to agree and nothing seems to have changed as of today either with windows 7... All I have to say about Microsoft is they WERE marketing geniuses... You give away the software with every new pre-assembled PC force people to become dependent on your software therefore forcing everyone into the never ending loop of buying the upgraded software... would have continued that way for many years had they not released vista and the economy taken a dump.... and even that may not be enough to drive people completely away even with linux and apple's shares of the market growing daily.... Wish I could market myself into the billions of dollars.......
Actually I completely disagree with that statement. People are so use to the flashy graphical environment these days, they tend to shy away from the power of the command line. While a flash UI make look good, things can be done a lot quicker using the command line than with a mouse and a few taps on the keyboard. For example, you want to get a directory listing from a machine, or you want to get a ping response from all the alive machines on a particular subnet, I can do that in seconds on the command line. I would love to see how most people would accomplish that task using the UI without downloading extra software.
edit: Even though I spend 99% of my time using the UI, the command line still has its uses. Every piece of software is a tool to get the job done, the trick is knowing what tool is the best tool for the job at the time.
Yes but its hardly user friendly is it, you need to learn the commands, where with gui anyone can use it. I myself have to use a few commands sometimes and i agree they have there place.
Hello..
Operating system Ubuntu and XP are good. Ubuntu is good in its way and easy to operate for users but according to me XP is much better than any OS. I am using XP and it is very much user friendly operation system. Thank you for your opinions.
Hard for me to nail down and give you just one issue as to why I just don't like it.....It's been a progressive thing for me.... Honestly I was so excited when it came out I got my copy brought it home and went WOW it looks great almost MAC like with the graphics love the new search for programs etc.... you know had that "NEW CAR SMELL" but then the annoying security protocol with the pop up window asking permission every thirty seconds needed to deactivate that with in 5 minutes of my original install or I would have thrown the damn thing out the window...I tried running my staples NERO gone... wouldn't work right until 8.0 so that's kind of fixed, anti-virus waste of time still have conflicts here and there.... firewall that came with it what a joke... and the list goes on and on....If I listed everything that has annoyed me with Vista and continues to annoy me it would be 5 pages long....
I've used Vista for the last 2 years and built my pc to support it. Its really been flawless for me. With that said, I hear your frustrations. When Windows 7 came out I waited only a few days to reformat and install 7. But I'm happier with 7.
I've played with Ubuntu, and use SUSE at work on some of my servers. There's still a few things that I haven't figured out how to do in Linux that holds me to a MS platform. Good luck with the switch! Let's us know how you like it.
I've been playing around with Linux Mint since version 8 was released last week. I'd been using just plain Ubuntu for a while on my laptop. I can say that for a new user coming from Windows, Mint would definitely make the transition easier. It's a little more user friendly in some aspects and has more of a Windows feel to it than plain Ubuntu.
I'm still iffy on it myself, but I'm going to give it a try for a while. I'd just gotten used to the standard Ubuntu desktop, so it's taking a bit of adjusting to where things are now.
I run my home server with Ubuntu Server 9.04 (samba server and ip tables), my netbook runs Ubuntu 9.04, my laptop dual boots Windows 7 and Backtrack 3 linux, and my three desktop PC's are all running Windows 7.
check them out if you havent already, downside is they are not free 
using a command prompt is just going backwards. XP is just a great operating system, but unfortunately a victim of its own success in many ways. I only hope windows 7 will be as good and also hope one there will be a linux version for the masses.
