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Here's my Salix OS using Openbox.

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mikedt

Here's my Openbox desktop...

No nonsense, no clutter. Everything opens from the right click. Starts nice and fast as well.

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saptech

You beat me to posting that, but I had already started configuring mine...I luv it!

nickdalzell

Mikedt your post just shows a blank grey box at my end?

Mehta23

I think it is.

MoodyBlues

It's looking good! Why not add a few more desktops so you get more cube sides like mine?

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Last edited by nickdalzell; January 22nd, 2013 at 07:24 PM.

mikedt

Yup, that's exactly what it is. Minimalism. The Openbox default environment. There's no wallpaper, no panels, no docks, no widgets, no animations, no transitions, no rotating cubes, no nonsense. It starts incredibly quickly. You launch the software you need by right clicking, and that's pretty much it. Basically it's the antithesis of KDE4.

Last edited by mikedt; January 22nd, 2013 at 07:51 PM.

MoodyBlues

Good grief! And I thought *I* was a minimalist, as I have no icons, no widgets, nothing on my desktop, just stuff in one panel. But a blank gray screen?! That's taking minimalism a little too far for my taste!

nickdalzell

so long as it was not an image load error at my end, i'm all for it

....but i have to have wallpaper---it is one bit of personalization i love. for me it's my two favorite loves--Deer and Star Trek

saptech

My Openbox is how it looks once you start adding stuff to it. But as mikedt mention, out the box, its just a blank desktop and you right-click for the menu system!

mikedt

A little bit more pretty than my last Openbox desktop shot.


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SUroot

Couple of questions...

1) How did you get the desktop cube reflection and background setup please? Is this still done in Compiz?

2) I can not find the option that makes the top and bottom of the cube transparent in Compiz (sure it used to be before I upgraded to Ubuntu 12:10) Any pointers for that please?

MoodyBlues

I hope Nick doesn't mind my jumping in, but since I'm the one who pointed him to how to do the cube thing, I figured he wouldn't mind. We're both using KDE/Kubuntu. So how we do it will vary from how you do it, since you're using Ubuntu. For us, it's under System Settings | Desktop Effects | All Effects | Desktop Cube and then playing with its settings. Look for something similar in your settings.

Here's my current desktop cube.

nickdalzell

for me i did NOT use the CCSM program. it is in KDE menu, System Settings, Desktop effects.

when there, click on 'all effects' tab, then scroll down where it says 'desktop cube'. check it if not already done, then click the 'wrench' icon. then click 'advanced and uncheck 'show caps'. now click 'basic' tab and there is an option for a background color and an option for browsing to use any background image you got. select that and give it the path to the image you want to use as a cube background. once back in basic again, select 'show reflection' and click apply, ok and then you got it

SUroot

On ubuntu, I don't have any of that.

Reading up it does seem like its broken in compiz on 12.10 (the transparent caps)

No reflection option. Got the background thing sorted though. Called "skydome" in compiz

Best I can get:

Last edited by SUroot; January 24th, 2013 at 04:50 PM.

nickdalzell

i did all my settings through Desktop Effects. i did not use Compiz Config Settings. that latter program does not work in Ubuntu 12.10. my 8-sided cube was done in Ubuntu 12.10 with Kubuntu desktop added on. so it is possible. the settings can be hard to find but i know they exist--unless they are not available due to certain graphics card limitations? my two Ubuntu lappies have ATI cards built in

keep in mind Desktop Effects is not available in Unity, the DE that is installed by default in Ubuntu 12.10. you need to have KDE to gain access to those options.

SUroot

Yes I know you said you did all your settings in desktop effects but that doesn't exist for unity so compiz is the only option unless I ditch unity, which I don't really want to.

All these settings were made unavailable in compiz due to compatability issues with 12.10. Hopefully there will be an update soon.

I may look into kde but it's all about the launcher for me

nickdalzell

you can install KDE, change to it temporarily, edit desktop effects, log out, log back into Unity and they will stick.

MoodyBlues

What about the launcher? KDE is crazy customizable, so I'm guessing that whatever it is you're after can be replicated in KDE. Why don't you post a question in the Linux questions thread?

SUroot

Oh really? Thats cool. I'll check it out.


Cheers. I'll just have a play probably

SUroot

Gah. Don't like KDE. reminds me of Fedora I use at work...

Looks like I need kwin running to get the desktop effects to work in unity, which kind of detracts from the GTK Window theme, Icon set etc that I want to use.

I'll put up with Compiz I think.

Now to get rid of KDE which very unkindly removed all my unity splash screens.

nickdalzell

it is your choice, personally i could not stand Unity's lack of customization. if i wanted a dumbed down OS look i'd have kept Windows 8

the way Ubuntu is going it is taking a route just like OS X and Windows is taking. appealing to inexperienced computer users. dumbing down. i really fear for the future of tech if the fisher price method is the direction it is going. Linux has for a long time been a believer in unlimited customization. Unity's approach is to make it appeal to those who like the same thing on every system. only the wallpaper can be changed. you can't even move or relocate the launcher now. even in earlier Unity versions it was possible, now it's not. you can't even change the window decoration.

if you just looked at KDE's default Windows 9x layout and got turned off, give it more time. for a launcher (Moody i believe he meant the sidebar launcher in Unity, not the panel/start button) you could use Cairo Dock as i have. it is far easier and more customizable than the default Unity launcher.

Unity splash screens were uneffected on my end, not sure why not on yours. on my Ubuntu laptop with KDE added separately, it still has Unity for the login screen with my Unity wallpaper choice intact. only if i login with the KDE Plasma as the DE will anything change. if i log out and back into Unity everything is as i had left it

Last edited by nickdalzell; January 25th, 2013 at 10:35 PM.

SUroot

I find unity comfortable. It has what I want where I want it. You can indeed change window decoration in ccsm along with several other things. I also like how Nautilus interacts. It just suits me.

By the unity splash screen, I mean the purple "ubuntu" loading screen. Before log on and after log off on shut down. This was replaced with a silver splash with a kde cog on it.

I am familiar enough with kde. Like I said, its what comes with the fedora builds I use at work.

I only really wanted the features removed from ccsm in 12.10 back so setting those in kde would have been great but I like the whole gtk and icon look I have going on in unity.

Even when I had lxde on an ubuntu android image, I had it replicating unity. It may not be hugely customisable but I suppose everything is placed where it is for a reason and that reason for me seems to be efficiency through simplicity.
I don't like icons everywhere. I keep my desktop clean. I don't need lists of apps I dont use or multi tabbed interfaces. Everything I need is in the launcher, keyboard shortcuts, search or on display.
I find unity loads quicker for my config than kde. I'm a minimalist so its featureset suits, however I would like a little more eye candy. I did notice the cube didn't seem as nicely rendered in kde as it did in unity with my conky and wallpaper. Its edges seemed more jaggered.

Mehta23

best to upload it for free to Image Shack, get the direct link and then when posting your reply, click the little image icon. This should bring up a pop up box into which you need to paste your link.

Done.

nickdalzell

i use Photobucket--which also has a mobile app. just post by going to the desktop site and copy/paste the [img] code to a reply and it should show.

SUroot

Same. Although it does seem to resize images based filesize by default

nickdalzell

A more minimalist KDE desktop

mikedt

Windoze...



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nickdalzell

That's not Windows, it's Linux trying to BE Windows

SUroot

Nah, it is windows. Why would any self-respecting linux themer try to replicate the awful Realtek HD audio sys tray icon? You'd replicate the windows one. Its windows alright.

nickdalzell

looks nothing like Windows to me? especially the lack of IE, the system tray and start menu looks nothing like Windows. the penguin icon gives the Linux away--looks like an awful GTK theme if you ask me

besides, how does Libreoffice do Windows?

SUroot

You're a linux user though? When did you last spend any time looking at windows?

Not all Windows users use IE. You wouldn't pin an app to the taskbar that you didn't use.

Windows 8 has no start menu. True, sys tray looks a bit odd. The transparency of the taskbar means the underline of Brook Burling is seen through.

Whilst looking for this wallpaper to prove the underline exists on the wallpaper, I found this:

Painted Skies theme - Microsoft Windows

...most notable the "Window color" Which kind of ties the whole thing together.


Yep. Looks like tencentQQ (Instant messaging service in China) just like other companies in china, have no qualms using the identity of others


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nickdalzell

i have only been on Linux for a month at best. i was using Win8 prior to that on a few months-old laptop. it has not been that long SU.

Windows 8 has no start menu, true. but it has tiles too. this looks nothing like Windows 8's desktop app, and last i recalled, it couldn't be themed (a big problem with Win8 is every computer has the same desktop, no color customization, only desktop supports wallpaper changes)

there is nothing abou the screenshot that looks anything like Windows. not even the icons are right. it really does come off looking like a theme for KDE or Gnome--in fact i can quite easily recreate Windows Phone 7's metro interface on Android just as easily.

SUroot

If you press the windows key (if you haven't installed classic start menu from sourceforge.net) it toggles between the Metro UI (touch interface) and the desktop posted above.

The Metro UI is not a desktop and I don't know if it can be themed or not. The Desktop can be themed, as per Microsoft's own words:

Themes - Microsoft Windows

Also, I believe I have actually found and posted the specific theme Mike is using.

The windows icons in the sys tray (the white ones) are the same as Windows 7. The rest are 3rd party.

From left to right (I think)

ChinaNet Wireless
Synaptics Mousepad driver (Common on Dell laptops)
RealTek HD audio
Windows Action centre
Nvidia system tray?
Power
Network
Sound
Keyboard Language

mikedt

I posted it to see what people would think.

Nick, it's definitely Windows 8.

mikedt

Actually it's the Intel graphics system try thing, but close enough.

10/10 well done. It's actually on my Lenovo laptop. Which also runs Linux Mint.

Plus there's iTunes on the desktop, that I use for iTunes U. And there's uTorrent, which I believe is a Windows only bittorrent client. On Linux I use Transmission. Also Linux doesn't need a big ugly China Telecom ChinaNet 3G dialler app, it's quite capable of handling USB 3G modems on it's own.


Think it confused Nick somewhat.

Last edited by mikedt; February 1st, 2013 at 05:36 PM.

SUroot

I have transmission too but looking for a replacement. I have sabnzbdplus for news groups which monitors my downloads folder for nzbs. So I can download them on my phone and sftp them to the downloads folder and they get picked up... looking for a torrent app that will work the same.

Ive got utorrent for android too

nickdalzell

utorrent can run on Wine so i would not think it would be windows-only. personally nothing on your desktop looked windows specific. and it really does not look like Windows 8's desktop mode. i couldn't change the icon theme, start menu theme or anything. you must have Win8 Pro or something. all my desktop would do is add/remove icons or let me change the wall paper

mikedt

Sure I could run uTorrent on Wine, but what would be the point? Other than to prove it can be done. And I could run iTunes on Wine as well, if I wanted. However the China Telecom 3G dialler app doesn't. But I'm certainly not going to fake a RealTek or Intel system tray icon.

It's just regular Windows 8, not Pro, and it's definitely not RT. Bought and activated it on-line via MS United Kingdom, as Win 8 is not available without buying a new PC in China. The Pro version of Win 8 is more about features suitable for enterprise users, like Hyper-V and Group Policies.

Last edited by mikedt; February 1st, 2013 at 07:55 PM.

SUroot

Odd. Looks exactly like windows to me. But then, "windows" is my job so I wouldn't expect others to be as familiar as I am.

RT is cut down. Maybe you had that. Not really a comparison against real windows though

nickdalzell

i had whatever came with my Toshiba. it just said 'Windows 8' on the tag. it displayed Metro normally unless i launched 'Desktop' and then it would have a Win7 style desktop. the wallpaper was customizable, i could auto-hide the dock and disable or enable desktop icons. but no themes. if more than say 3 or so system tray icons were showing, they'd auto hide behind a 'arrow' that if you clicked it would show all of them. i can assure you Mike's desktop looks more like a haphazard GTK theme than any Windows i have seen. and i have used Windows since version 3.0

It also had that UEFI crap too. a lot of joy getting Linux to run on that! i lost Windows 8 in the process (the partition manager had already wiped the entire HDD) and i had planned a dual boot but it did not matter as i got my game working on Linux now--if Star Trek Online had not worked, it would have been a deal breaker and a big 'whoops!' as that is the primary use of that particular laptop

i must admit i do miss Flight Simulator X. all the many hacks, add-ons, mods, payware add-ons, etc all gone. FSX refuses to run in Wine. it gets to the title screen and music then IE spits out tons of endless script errors until the machine either crashes or until i run 'pkill exe' in a terminal

Last edited by nickdalzell; February 1st, 2013 at 09:57 PM.

mikedt

What looks like a "haphazard GTK theme"? Just that I've got the task bar as a semi-transparent grey colour? As for the rest of it, that's just how I've set it up, all system tray icons showing, wallpaper choice etc. The Windows 8 desktop loses much of that shiny aero-glass stuff that Windows 7 had. It's much more about clean solid colours and less flash and shine.

I suppose I could make my KDE desktop look like Mac OS X, with a dock and everything.


The recent Lenovo laptop I'm using has all that "UEFI crap too", and I installed Linux no problem and Windows 8. However it came with pirated Windows 7 Ultimate.....Welcome to China! That was the primary reason why I bought Genuine Windows 8.

Last edited by mikedt; February 1st, 2013 at 10:49 PM.

nickdalzell

it was for me a matter of getting into the BIOS. the shutdown key combo you hold down as you click 'settings, shutdown, restart' in Win8 was not exactly out there--i had to do my homework again. then i put it into legacy mode and popped in my Ubuntu DVD (a waste of a DVD-R but the file is just beyond the storage capacity of a CD-R)

SUroot

Ok. I've used it since 3 too. So yes you're right, Mikes desktop looks nothing like 3·x, 9x, 2000, ME, XP

It looks partly like 7 (lack of start bar) but exactly like 8.

Italo

Background changes a lot. I've been using this one for a couple of weeks. Nothing fancy with the desktop.

JohnLaird

Nothing too exciting...


http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm151/coffeeaddict21/dsktop_zps9cbfaf5b.jpg

argedion

Using Magea 3 with kde here.

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